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Adam Loewen, First Baseman?

Per Roch, Adam Loewen is finished with being a pitcher. He'll try to re-invent himself as an OF/1B. This is totally crazy if you ask me, although I guess if he's never going to be able to pitch, he might as well try to change as quickly as possible.

Fun fact I heard on ESPN the other day after Rick Ankiel hit his 20th home run. It made him the only player in the history of baseball to pitch in 50 games in a career and hit 20 home runs in a season besides Babe Ruth. Adam only has 35 games pitched, but it's the same general principle. This is a long shot at best.

I'll go in more depth later, but Adam Loewen is done as a pitcher. He's going to reinvent himself as an outfielder/first baseman, perhaps as early as the fall instructional league.

Another surgery on his elbow would have sidelined him for an estimated 1 1/2 years, and he wasn't willing to go down that path.

"I'm always going to be a pitcher," he said. "I've been doing it since I was 9 years old. It's going to be hard to let it go, but God has a plan for me."

Also, the Orioles acquired shortstop Juan Castro from Triple-A Colorado Springs for Triple-A Norfolk infielder Mike McCoy. Castro was added to the 25-man roster, and the Orioles outrighted Freddie Bynum to Triple-A. Bynum has 72 hours to accept the assignment.

Randor Bierd has returned from his injury rehab assignment. He's on his way to the ballpark right now. To make room, the Orioles placed Greg Aquino on the disabled list with a strained hamstring.

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We all know Adam doesn’t have any minor league options left, so where exactly does he learn to be a hitter besides the fall league, winter league, and spring training?

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 19, 2008 5:56 PM EDT   0 recs

This is a very good question

He’ll have to rehab the injury as it is, and that’ll take some time. After rehab, he’ll be free to work on his hitting and fielding abilities. With that said, the fall and winter leagues and spring training are pretty much the only places for him. If he doesn’t work out by Spring Training do they keep him on the major league roster, hoping he’ll field a position and hit.

As far as I recall, he can hit. Crow has been quoted as saying he’d be the third best hitter on that team if he made a transition. Fielding, on the other hand, that’s an issue. First base isn’t easy, and where would he play in the outfield? Jones in center, Markakis in right, and Reimold/Scott playing left, where does he go? Not to mention he’d still have to use his arm if he platoons with Reimold in left barring a Scott trade or transition to DH for either. It would make sense for him to play first, where his arm would be lightly used and his glove won’t be a liability. The offensive numbers I’m not worried about.

Also, what happens if things go south after his rehab? Blarg.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 19, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably third

Even though first is very easy to pickup if your a position player, for a pitcher it is not an easy transition. He really fits in no where besides third to me, but I could see him being forced in at second or first. If he can actually prove that he can hit after a pretty extensive gap, then he will probably be put where he is needed.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 19, 2008 6:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

PROBABLY 3rd

ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME YOU IDIOT, HES LEFT HANDED, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!! WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A LEFTY 3B SS or 2B??

by JUANSANCHEZ666 on Jul 22, 2008 12:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jones in center, Markakis in right, and Reimold/Scott playing left, where does he go?

Scott’s 30 years old and Reimold has not proven anything yet. Having options is not, like, a bad thing. Also this Loewen as a hitter thing is hardly a sure bet. Rick Ankiel ain’t the norm.

I wouldn’t worry about his throwing arm in the outfield—I mean, I wouldn’t worry about him hurting it. Making throws in the OF is a lot different than twisting your joints all over the place pitching.

It would make sense for him to play first, where his arm would be lightly used and his glove won’t be a liability.

? You can have defensive liabilities at first base. With the speed the game moves at the major league level, a ground ball in play is on you via throw from short or third very quickly. First base would be no piece of cake for Loewen. It sure wasn’t for Gibbons.

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by SC on Jul 19, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Certainly not

But first tends to be an easier position, defensively for guys to transition to. I’m not saying he should be at first, just that that seems like the logical move in my mind.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 19, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right on the arm

Making 3 hard throws a night has to be a lot easier on that bone than 100+ every 5 days.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 19, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As ofr the difficulty of 1B

Watch Kevin’s night last night. Easily saved us 4 outs that Gibbons at 1B would have cost us. It’s not day in the park.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 19, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

gibbons may have sucked

but horseface never really was any kind of prospect. at least loewen was highly touted as a hitter in the draft. anyone know what his position was?

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jul 19, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mark Viv

says they’ll rework his contract to take that part of the deal away that would force them to put him through waivers before sending him to the minors.

"Mora looked pretty good running the bases tonight when he hit that home run," Dave Trembley.

by Bee the Ball on Jul 19, 2008 6:35 PM EDT   0 recs

How?

How can you rework a contract after it’s signed without the approval of twenty nine other teams? If we can do this, can we work MelMo’s contract to cap his surprise bunts and relinquish the NTC?

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by dfa on Jul 19, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so here's the answer to Adam Loewen

“Bust.”

I wish him all the best, though. It’d be a nice story if he comes back to put some runs on the board for us instead of the other team.

I don’t want to get into a big discussion because he’s free to believe what he wants, but the “God has a plan for me” idea gave me a mild chuckle. Yes, God plans for you to be an outfielder. This is totally what God would be concerned about.

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by SC on Jul 19, 2008 6:43 PM EDT   0 recs

In his defense

You do have to stay positive when you were the #1 international prospect in the world and you barely completed one half of a full major league season in your entire career. Don’t write him off so easily, a lot of the guys who come out of high school as highly touted as Loewen are just ridiculous athletes who had to make a tough choice between the two. In Loewen’s case you could be hitting .600 in high school, but when you have three plus pitches with one in the mid 90s it isn’t too hard to decide.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 19, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t think he needs a defense. I’m not dissing him. I just find it humorous that God’s plan for Adam Loewen was to abuse his arm to the point of retirement unless he can hit pro pitching.

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by SC on Jul 19, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You assume the plan is in baseball and chuckle at him

Not that I’m big into this stuff, but if so, maybe the plan is elsewhere. I’ll laugh at you for the assumption.

by drj on Jul 19, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What if God's plan

is for him to be an insurance broker?

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 19, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Considering we probably weren't going to get

anything out of him as a pitcher at this point, why not?

At least he expressed some regret about collecting a paycheck for not doing anything. I’m hoping for the best but keeping my expecations low.

Overall, I’m slightly encouraged by this news.

"Mora looked pretty good running the bases tonight when he hit that home run," Dave Trembley.

by Bee the Ball on Jul 19, 2008 7:00 PM EDT   0 recs

It can't hurt to try

At least he’s not just gonna ride out a rehab and collect his checks. He wants to PLAY. Hopefully, he can.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 19, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well

i’m on the record saying that i think he’ll eventually become something worth having, so I guess that means i’m on the record saying he’ll suceed as a hitter. here’s hoping.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jul 19, 2008 9:39 PM EDT   0 recs

More from MLB.com
“So the club is prepared to embark on that path with him, and once this season is over, we will start career No. 2 for Adam Loewen, which will be in the outfield somewhere in the Baltimore Orioles system, provided we can sort through a number of obstacles and technicalities that we have to agree upon to sort of get this career re-started,” MacPhail said.

MacPhail was referring to a bunch of contractual language that will have to be figured out for Loewen to remain in the organization. The Orioles signed the phenom to a Major League contract out of the Draft, and he’s already exhausted all his options. Now, the two sides need to figure out a way to get him back in the Minors without switching organizations.

“Eventually, you’re going to have to sever that existing contract and do a new one,” said MacPhail. “Those are all things that create obstacles that [agent Scott Sanderson] and their side was well aware of going into this as we were. We just felt like, ‘We’re with you and we think this is a good idea. Let’s sort of figure out a timetable and let’s figure out up front what the obstacles are so we don’t get to a certain part of the road and we all go, ‘Oh my gosh, we didn’t know this.’”


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"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 19, 2008 11:46 PM EDT   0 recs

More from Roch:

Andy MacPhail:

"I wish there was someone else up here delivering the bad portion of this news, but we are very fortunate that, in this case, it’s not that hard of a decision, because based on the news that we’re getting from the medical people, it’s not something that you’re going to be wondering that you took the right path or not. I think its pretty clear, based on the future that they described, that this is the right course and we’re extraordinarily fortunate where we have an athlete that is capable of pursuing a career as a position player, which is not unprecedented in our game that we would have somebody come off the mound and have a career that could potentially be productive as a position player."

From Adam Loewen:

"They believe that the only reason that my arm feels the way it does is strictly from throwing off the mound at a high intensity. So if I was playing first base or outfield or just having time in between throws, not throwing 90-93 off a mound, then my arm’s going to be fine, it’s not going to bother me swinging the bat and I won’t have to have surgery. If I did choose the other path of pitching, it would be a long road with no clear ending. This is not a simple decision, but it’s right there in front of me and it was easy to make for me.
"It was devastating news, but I’ve always had a backup plan, so I’m sure I didn’t take it as hard as anybody else would. And as much as I love pitching and love playing for the Orioles, I still have a chance to do that. It’s going to be a long and tough road, but I did it one time. Hopefully, I can do it again. I know what to expect and I think I’m mature enough where I can do this and I’m still young enough to where I can do this."
Asked if he’ll be rusty, Loewen said, "Absolutely. It’s been six years, probably, five or six years since I’ve hit competitively in college where I did hit. It’s going to take time, it’s going to be a real challenge, but Rick Ankiel did it, so at least I have somebody before me that did it that I can relate to."
Asked if he wished that he could have been a two-way player after being drafted, Loewen said, "In a perfect world, I would have done both, for sure, but I’m 6-6 and I throw left handed, so it was kind of, my path was chosen for me. I didn’t have a choice. I probably would have done both, and my second choice would probably have been to hit, so I just love to do both. I’m always going to be a pitcher, there’s no doubt about that. I love to do it, I’ve been doing it ever since I was 9 years old, so it’s going to be tough to let it go. But God has a special plan for me and I’m going to be faithful and follow it."
And more from Loewen: "I don’t feel any pain when I’m just sitting here, but I anticipate some pain if I picked up a bat right now. It’s only been two weeks since I felt what I did on the mound. I just don’t anticipate that feeling now. The goal right now is instructional league. I think it would be a smart thing to make sure this time that I will be ready. I’m so sick of being a Band-Aid, going on the DL and that kind of stuff. It’s challenging and I don’t want to do it anymore. I think we’re going to take the conservative road and just shoot for the instructional league."

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 19, 2008 11:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Adam's college year...
Loewen hasn’t faced live pitching regularly since 2003 when he played first base for Chipola Junior College (Fla.), batting .353 with a homer and 38 RBIs in 45 games.

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"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 20, 2008 12:10 AM EDT   0 recs

I wish Adam well

I have seen it written that some officials wanted him to pitch,some wanted him
to be a position player.

by hagers on Jul 20, 2008 12:31 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, he's a bust, but...

it’s not like he just plain sucked at baseball. While it’s true that he wasn’t great even when he was healthy, he was rushed and he was never healthy for long enough to get better.

It’s just plain bad luck that his arm didn’t cooperate and it must be tough for the guy. He’s been a competitor attitude-wise, at least, and I think you have to do whatever you can to keep the dream alive. We can’t really dwell on the fact that he’s a bust to this point. It happens, let’s hope he can do well and at least sniff the bigs again at some point.

by dan the man on Jul 20, 2008 5:25 PM EDT   0 recs

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