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  Today's Starting Pitchers GS IP ERA WHIP BAA HR BB K W-L
Gil Meche - RH - #55 17 102.1 4.66 1.32 .255 12 35 82 6-8
Daniel Cabrera - RH - #40 17 109.1 4.53 1.41 .261 14 47 64 5-4

Yesterday started the real second half of the 2008 season. Seems like it's been kinda short, doesn't it?

Meche, career v. BAL: 96.2 IP, 3.26/1.31, 4-5
Cabrera, career v. KC: 44 IP, 2.25/1.23, 4-0

Guys that have had success against the opponent.

Cabrera has, well, hit a wall. After his May 20th start, his ERA stood at 3.48. He was oupitching even optimistic predictions, really, and going seven routinely.

Since then, his ERA has risen to 4.53. Why? The walks are back in some part. Over his last 42 innings, he's walked 23. Not as awful as he used to be, but pretty bad. But the walks aren't killing him. May 20 and prior, he had just twice given up more hits than innings he'd pitched. Since then, he's done it five times, and the other two starts had him giving up six in six innings and six in seven innings.

The lack of strikeouts -- a problem that started last season -- are hurting him. When he doesn't have his best stuff, he's going to get rocked. Plus, the fact is he's throwing almost all fastballs. That's a great theory, and it worked well for a little bit. But his fastball is not so good that he can work six-seven innings off of that pitch exclusively on a consistent basis. He doesn't blow it by anyone anymore. His K/9 is a really pedestrian 5.28, which gives him a pretty crappy K-to-BB ratio, too.

I'm really not trying to harsh any buzzes, but Cabrera's as good as he's going to get unless he suddenly figures out how to strike batters out again. He's a fourth/fifth starter that can eat up innings. Someday, I really think he'll put it together and have one outstanding season, maybe two. Lots of guys have them, and there's no reason Cabrera can't find a zone for one entire season sometime. He was more effective -- if ever so slightly -- in '05 and '06 than he has been this season. He's better than he was last year, sure, but it wasn't going to take much to top that dismal campaign.

But I've rambled about Danny C enough for right now. Go get 'em, champ. Throw a few good starts together and look attractive at the deadline.

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Alright, Danny, here's the deal...

You’re on my fantasy team, I’m currently up 13-0 in this week’s game, I’d really like to you return to the form you had against KC earlier in the year, or, better yet, like that one game you had against the Yankees that may have aired on some other four letter network…you can do this for me, Danny, I know you can.

p.s. Nick and Brian keep hitting, thanks.

by getxstoked on Jul 2, 2008 4:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Speaking of keep hitting

Is anyone else surprised that Huff and Luuuuke are tied for HRs at 14 apiece? It’s like Sherrill pulling a couple dozen saves out of his arse. I know Luuuke/Shutdown get a lot more time with our team, but still. Good numbers.

by blawk359 on Jul 2, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

just a comparison....

Huff
AB HR AVG RBI R SB
307 14 .277 47 46 2

Alex Rodriguez
AB HR AVG RBI R SB
237 16 .316 44 45 11

Yeah, I know, Huff has had 70 more AB, but STILL

by zknower on Jul 2, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

More stats

Huff: OPS+ 124
A-Rod: OP+ 163

SLIGHT difference.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

uhh

Hmm.

I uh.

Don’t compare Aubrey Huff to Alex Rodriguez. Get serious, Z. Get real.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was gently trying to point that out

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

O's Lineup

BRob – 2B
Markikass – RF
Audrey- 1B
Razor – C
Luuuuke – DH
MelMo – 3B
Jay- LF
Dr. Jones – CF
Fahey – SS
Danny Cabs – P

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 2, 2008 5:14 PM EDT   0 recs

RAZOR is out cloeanup hitter?

I mean, I know he’s been hot th elast 2 weeks, but, really? Razor?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 5:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ramon’s been really unlucky this year. He’s hit the ball pretty hard.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

which is not to say he doesn't piss me off

but a good second half wouldn’t surprise me.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see an uptick

but I don’t see a full-fledged second-half comeback.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah I agree

I think he’ll do better than he did in the first half but I don’t think it will be a monster second half.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 2, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He’s never had a monster anything. I’m just saying he’ll start hitting like Ramon Hernandez again.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he’ll do better than he did in the first half

Sure, he can’t do any worse!

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 2, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

just repeat this to yourself

“At least it’s not Mora”

or, if that fails

“At least it’s not Fahey”

by getxstoked on Jul 2, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But it could be

1. B-Rob
2. Nicky
3. LUUUUUUUUUUKE
4. Aubrey
5. JayPay
6. Razor
7. Adam Jones, son!
8. MelMo
9. Lil’ Bro

Just sayin’.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nick-Luke-Aubrey

Three lefties in a row. Not happening.

Payton at five is just as bad as anything.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

unlees it's against the Yankees

and Pettite isn’t starting, DD’s done it a couple times already.

by getxstoked on Jul 2, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t disagree with the idea, either. As has been said before, they take this L-R shit too far.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Roch on O's Extra said

indeed, DD didn’t want 4 lefties in a row. And Brandon Fahey wasn’t an option. Yes, he said that. Sometimes, Roch is actually funny.

And, Roch confirms he asked George Sherrill why did JayPay flip his bill last nihgt. “Casue I blew two in a row,” Sherrill said.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You and your stupid facts

You’re the guy at the bar at 1 am who remembers stuff like, you know, the fumblerooskie has been outlawed, Buckner’s miscue didn’t really lose the Red Sox the Series, and that Hack-A-Shack actually DID work in the playoffs. Reality has a well-known liberal bias!

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking

to put someone slightly faster than a dump truck in from of Ramon, instead of a dump truck in front of JayPay.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And in my ideal world

Jones is hitting at least 6th, if not 2nd or 3rd. I think if he’s sandwiched between B-Rob and Nicky, he’d do the job. But it’s complete gut instinct without a lick of data or analysis to back it up.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 5:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He doesn’t blow it by anyone anymore

I still find that strange. Didn’t he used to throw 96-97? He’s hitting 92 more often.. every once in a while 94.. do you think they told him to sacrifice velocity for control?

by Y Not on Jul 2, 2008 5:20 PM EDT   0 recs

The velocity isn’t the problem I don’t think. A lot of the time his fastball is straighter than a grizzly’s dick. Matt Anderson threw like 102 but these are big league hitters.

But yeah, he’s definitely dropped down and it has to be on purpose. I guess it’s all they could really do.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it was Millar who said

You can time a missle if you see it enough times.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

According to Walter Matthau, apparently.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What movie is THAT from?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Grumpy Old Men

“Gustafson’s straight as a grizzly’s dick, he’d never cheat on his taxes!”

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

KC Lineup

1 David DeJesus -LF
2 Mike Aviles – SS
3 Alex Gordon – 3B
4 Jose Guillen – DH
5 Mark Grudzielanek -2B
6 Mark Teahen – RF
7 Ross Gload – 1B
8 John Buck – C
9 Joey Gathright – CF

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 2, 2008 5:52 PM EDT   0 recs

For those who are interested

Adam Jones’ OPS has finally climbed up to .700 last night.

by math_geek on Jul 2, 2008 6:19 PM EDT   0 recs

woo

He’s almost adequate offensively.

I’m not busting. Not really anyway.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 6:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How does that compare with Markakis' 1st year

Is it a similar trajectory or is Jones’ climb to adequacy a bit less pronounced?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In May 2006 Markakis had a OBP of .270 and a SLG of .288

He was batting .182—AVG doesn’t mean much, but in this case it meant he was BAD

In June his OBP was .403!!!! and his SLG was .400, so he still wasn’t hitting for power at all, but he has gotten quite good at getting on base.

by math_geek on Jul 2, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ALMOST

His OPS+ is now 87. Gettin’ close….

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 6:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if you could direct me to a primer on OPS+ i'd be quite grateful

i know statistics, but i’ve never figured out how that works

by math_geek on Jul 2, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's one I'm still getting a grasp on myself

but I know 100 is league average. I think.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's a link from

Hardball Times with a quick explanation.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But his fastball is not so good that he can work six-seven innings off of that pitch exclusively on a consistent basis.

When his fastball has that sinking action, ti’s pretty good enough to work off exclusively. The problem is that he can’t consistently put that sinking action on his pitches. Anyways, TRADE HIM!!!

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 2, 2008 6:57 PM EDT   0 recs

that's what I was saying, but said better

He’s not good enough with it often enough.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He needs that ball to sink

or he needs a changeup. He’s got to have one or the other. Because hitters will catch up to ANY fastball that doesn’t move.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

David DeJesus looks pretty uncomfortable

But not unconfortable enough, apparently.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice way to kick the game off, dickhead.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm guessing that's not what the game plan was for Daniel

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why do we always have to come from behind?!?!?

I’m getting a little tired of it.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 2, 2008 7:11 PM EDT   0 recs

nice throw, Melvin

Dumbass.

Nice tag, Aubrey. F’real.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:11 PM EDT   0 recs

We better get a decent SS prospect for him

in about 4 weeks.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

dudes,

let’s not give up after one inning, okay?

i have to get in the car for 2.5 hours now, so instead of watching this game on my computer, i’ll be listening to john fucking sterling and suzyn fucking waldman.

blechhh.

by zknower on Jul 2, 2008 7:13 PM EDT   0 recs

You know, XM would solve that for ya

Just sayin’.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum

Both of their voices are worse than nails on a chalkboard.

http://blogs.themiamihurricane.com/

by MiamiMagic on Jul 2, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Waldman’s so hideous that Sterling has to calm her down sometimes. I mean consider THAT.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

can't stand waldman

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 2, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, those Dos Eques commercials are awesome

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:14 PM EDT   0 recs

1-0 PHN

Pedroia went yard off of Kazmir

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 2, 2008 7:15 PM EDT   0 recs

jesus, Gary

“It’s why Meche has struggled against Baltimore in his career. Four wins, five losses.”

HIS ERA AGAINST BALTIMORE CAREER IS 3.2f-ing6

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 2, 2008 7:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah

Gary: “There’s Roberts being Roberts.”

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Behind Kinsler, right?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly

Dustin Pedroia can kiss my ass

by math_geek on Jul 2, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't, don't believe, don't believe the hype....

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs