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First half and a penny: Good runs of bad luck

(Put together prior to the games of July 2.)

A lot is made in the stats circles of baseball talkin' about luck. Pythagorean W-L records are pretty simple; it's just the expected W-L record based on runs scored and runs given up by a team. Often times, teams turn out to have been incredibly lucky. Last year's Diamondbacks and Mariners, for example. The D-Backs made it to the NL playoffs by winning the West division with a record of 90-72. Their Pythagorean W-L, however, was just 79-83; a +11 for Arizona's real record.

The Mariners hung around in playoff contention and finished 88-74 for the season. They, too, had a Pythagorean record of 79-83, so a +9 for them. Their luck had their front office foolishly believing that a trade for Erik Bedard would make them serious contenders this season, even though almost everyone on the planet was calling for the Mariners to have a rather serious dropoff. Live and learn, Bill Bavasi. Or get fired.

Through the first half plus one game of 2008, there have, as always, been lucky teams and unlucky teams. Below is a table with teams ordered from unluckiest (Atlanta and Cleveland) to luckiest (the Angels). Think of it as a golf scoreboard, except pretty much not.

  Team Actual Record Pythagorean Record +/-
Atlanta 40-44 46-38 -6
Cleveland 37-47 43-41 -6
Philadelphia 45-39 50-34 -5
Toronto 41-44 46-39 -5
Chicago (A) 48-35 51-32 -3
Los Angeles (N) 39-44 42-41 -3
Oakland 45-38 48-35 -3
Seattle 32-51 35-48 -3
Arizona 42-42 43-41 -1
Colorado 33-51 34-50 -1
Boston 50-36 50-36 E
Detroit 42-41 42-41 E
New York (A) 44-40 44-40 E
New York (N) 41-42 41-42 E
San Diego 33-52 33-52 E
San Francisco 37-47 37-47 E
Baltimore 42-40 41-41 +1
Chicago (N) 51-33 50-34 +1
Houston 40-44 39-45 +1
Kansas City 38-46 37-47 +1
Cincinnati 39-46 37-48 +2
Pittsburgh 39-44 37-46 +2
St. Louis 48-37 46-39 +2
Texas 44-41 42-43 +2
Florida 43-40 40-43 +3
Minnesota 46-38 43-41 +3
Tampa Bay 51-32 48-35 +3
Washington 34-51 31-54 +3
Milwaukee 45-38 41-42 +4
Los Angeles (A) 50-34 43-41 +7

The O's are part of the middle of the pack (-1, E, +1) that have played and gotten the record they pretty much deserve. We're one game lucky. If the team were to avoid injuries, didn't trade some of the good players, and played as they are now, chances are they finish around .500, a minor miracle season for a group that I expected would lose about 100 games.

AL East Standings, as they would be:

  1. Boston
  2. Tampa Bay
  3. Toronto
  4. New York
  5. Baltimore
For once, it really IS a tough division, because the would-be fifth place Orioles are playing .500 ball either way. Toronto has been the unluckiest by far; Tampa Bay the luckiest, but a good team no matter how you slice it. The O's and Yankees are playing as expected, which is strange for both of them in different ways.

AL Central Standings, as they would be:
  1. Chicago
  2. Cleveland
  3. Minnesota
  4. Detroit
  5. Kansas City
Cleveland and Minnesota are both at 43-41 Pythagorean, with Detroit at 42-41. The White Sox (who have actually been a bit unlucky so far) are clearly the best team in the division right now, though. Kansas City, again, is by far the division's worst team. Poor Cleveland is sitting in reality's cellar, when they really aren't a bad team. They're certainly not as good as pre-season expectations, though.

AL West Standings, as they would be:
  1. Oakland
  2. Los Angeles
  3. Texas
  4. Seattle
No doubt about it: the Mariners, even though a smidge unlucky, stink. The Angels are so far the luckiest team in baseball at +7; they're barely playing above .500 ball in the numbers (43-41), but own one of the best records in baseball in the real world (50-34). I'm sure they'll take it. Oakland (-3) are the rightful division leaders, but they're 4.5 games out.

NL East Standings, as they would be:
  1. Philadelphia
  2. Atlanta
  3. New York
  4. Florida
  5. Washington
No doubt about it: the Nationals, even though lucky, stink. You can look at the real standings and guess that the worst teams in baseball are Washington, Seattle, San Diego and Colorado, and you're right. The Nationals are probably the absolute worst team in the league. What a way to kick off with a new stadium. Philadelphia (-5) and Atlanta (-6) are good bets to be in contention all year, even though the Braves are under .500 right now. At four games under, they should be eight games over. The Mets have played as expected with an even score (though, of course, they expected more), and the Marlins are a little lucky, and are likely to fade.

NL Central Standings, as they would be:
  1. Chicago
  2. St. Louis
  3. Milwaukee
  4. Houston
  5. Pittsburgh
  6. Cincinnati
The familiar bottom two remain the bottom two. Chicago and St. Louis are both legit; the Cubbies are +1 and the Cards a still-surprising +2. Milwaukee is the second-luckiest team in baseball (+4) with their 45-38 record. The Pyth world has the Cardinals and Braves in a dogfight for the wild card, which I think could happen, especially given the weakness out west.

NL West Standings, as they would be:
  1. Arizona
  2. Los Angeles
  3. San Francisco
  4. Colorado
  5. San Diego
Last year, the Diamondbacks luckily eked out the division, while the Padres and Rockies had a play-in. The Rockies made it all the way to the World Series. Not so much this season. The Diamondbacks are a half-game up on the Dodgers in the Pyth world; Los Angeles stands at -3. It's a terrible division in reality and in the Pyth numbers. The Giants are smack in the middle in both universes.

Not much in the way of massive change, no, but this is only the first half of the season. These things pile up over time, or get corrected. I would definitely expect to see the Angels lose some steam unless they get some help, and I think the Braves are obviously a good bet to make a turnaround run at the NL wild card.

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I have a weird take on this

I see things a little differently. When I look back on certain games I never think to myself, “Man, we should have won that game,” or “We really should have lost that one.” This is because over the course of the game, and season, I think things tend to even out and everything happens for a reason.

Let’s say that Sherrill gives up a two run home run in the bottom of the eleventh after a would be strike was missed (hypothetical of course), perhaps earlier in the game an ump missed a strike off the inside corner to an Orioles hitter, pushing the count to 1-0 instead of 0-1, now let’s say that same hitter jacks a solo shot that gave the O’s the lead that put them in the position to win in the eleventh in the first place. Both teams were jipped but the missed call at the end of the game sticks out like a sore thumb.

I don’t know if that really made sense, but to me I can never look back on an NFL, or even MLB, season and think that the team SHOULD have been 1-2 more games better(in NFL terms a huge difference maker) because so many other things happened during the course of the game that went both teams way and impacted the outcome. I also cringe when people gripe about various injuries and whatnot for their team because although there are some exceptions, chances are that the opposing team has just as many issues as your team does, whether it be injuries, chemistry problems, personal issues, or contract disputes.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 1:38 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one’s saying that this is a definite—that Atlanta or Cleveland will have better second halves (Cleveland probably not because they might be sellers), or that the Angels won’t just legitimately start playing better ball or pick someone up, or whatever.

It’s more that it’s an indicator, in many instances, of what’s going on and what might go down in the second half, or next season. The Diamondbacks and Mariners sure fell back into reality, the difference being the D’backs have legit good young players and are evening out to being an OK team, while the Mariners stink because they stink.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 1:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree

But if I understand what this chart is trying to tell me, it is that some teams have slim runs scored to runs allowed differentials but can still win a ton of games, like the Angels. Maybe the Angels should be a few games worse, but you can’t discount the fact that they may have been in numerous situations where they had a five run lead going into the eighth and they throw in a guy to get some experience who gives up a three run blast. I may be completely wrong and be over exaggerating that kind of situation, but coming through in the clutch and pulling out close games is more important in baseball than scoring a ton of runs whilst shutting the other team out, which is beneficial in the BCS and NHL.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 2:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

coming through in the clutch

Ya lost me.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 2:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Repeat after me...

There is no such thing as clutch.

There is no such thing as clutch.

There is no such thing as clutch.

Thus spake Bill James.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is that so?

i thought it wasn’t so much that clutch does not exist, but that it’s not really something that can be tracked quantitatively in any meaningful format.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 3, 2008 11:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well....

.he may be changing his mind...

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's what I'm saying

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The thing that most skews Pythagorean Records

is variability in starting pitching. Theoretically if a team has 4 great pitchers and the number 5 is crap, you could have a team that is highly competitive 80% of the time, but gives up a ton of runs the other 20%. Likewise, a top pitcher (especially one like Roy Halladay) gives a team plenty of opportunities to run up the difference by allowing no runs in the first place. The pitcher you hit against changes every day, and arguably it changes randomly. But the pitcher who plays is not random at all, which means that the Pythagorean Record is biased because teams with certain configurations of quality in their starting pitching will win more or fewer games than the aggregate would predict.

by math_geek on Jul 3, 2008 2:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

absolutely

I’m not using this as something to inform you that the Angels suck (they don’t) or that the Indians will get a lot better (probably won’t, many factors). It’s just a bullshittin’ piece, brother.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 2:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

That is what I was indirectly getting at, along with the fact that some pitchers can come in and give up runs as all they need to do in certain situations with big leads is throw the ball down the middle to end the game, which is part of the reason that W-L records for pitchers is at least a tiny bit notable.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 2:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have mixed feelings...

About Pythag. I see the basic point that scoring and allowing runs are how you win and lose games. But that’s how you lose individual games, not seasons. I read a piece that the DBacks were legit last year because they tended to lose big and win close, which was because they had stellar setup and closer guys in their bullpen but couldn’t come up with decent mop-up guys throughout the year to keep the losing games respectable. This would indicate that their pythag was more askew than their actual record due to flaky circumstances.

Maybe that’s all just an excuse, but I can see the core point. The Orioles outscored the Nationals in the recent series (I think) but lost the series. Maybe it should all even out over time, but maybe not. The premise that an 18-1 game or a 1-18 game should have any bearing on the likely outcome of the 161 other games is only true to the extent that the same players might be playing those other games.

by punkrawka on Jul 3, 2008 10:06 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know why anyone gets worked up about Pythagorean

And go on and on and on explaining it’s deficiencies. It’s a very simple quick calculation that people attempt to align with historical records. Absolutely no one claims it is a very accurate tool, so don’t expect it to be. But, for example, perhaps the Mariners should have paid attention to it last year, just as a data point, to realize they weren’t as strong a team as they thought they were.

by drj on Jul 3, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you're referencing my above post

I’m not worked up… just BS’ing.

If you weren’t referencing that, then carry on. :-)

by punkrawka on Jul 3, 2008 10:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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