First half and a penny: Good runs of bad luck
(Put together prior to the games of July 2.)
A lot is made in the stats circles of baseball talkin' about luck. Pythagorean W-L records are pretty simple; it's just the expected W-L record based on runs scored and runs given up by a team. Often times, teams turn out to have been incredibly lucky. Last year's Diamondbacks and Mariners, for example. The D-Backs made it to the NL playoffs by winning the West division with a record of 90-72. Their Pythagorean W-L, however, was just 79-83; a +11 for Arizona's real record.
The Mariners hung around in playoff contention and finished 88-74 for the season. They, too, had a Pythagorean record of 79-83, so a +9 for them. Their luck had their front office foolishly believing that a trade for Erik Bedard would make them serious contenders this season, even though almost everyone on the planet was calling for the Mariners to have a rather serious dropoff. Live and learn, Bill Bavasi. Or get fired.
Through the first half plus one game of 2008, there have, as always, been lucky teams and unlucky teams. Below is a table with teams ordered from unluckiest (Atlanta and Cleveland) to luckiest (the Angels). Think of it as a golf scoreboard, except pretty much not.
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Atlanta | 40-44 | 46-38 | -6 |
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Cleveland | 37-47 | 43-41 | -6 |
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Philadelphia | 45-39 | 50-34 | -5 |
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Toronto | 41-44 | 46-39 | -5 |
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Chicago (A) | 48-35 | 51-32 | -3 |
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Los Angeles (N) | 39-44 | 42-41 | -3 |
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Oakland | 45-38 | 48-35 | -3 |
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Seattle | 32-51 | 35-48 | -3 |
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Arizona | 42-42 | 43-41 | -1 |
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Colorado | 33-51 | 34-50 | -1 |
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Boston | 50-36 | 50-36 | E |
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Detroit | 42-41 | 42-41 | E |
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New York (A) | 44-40 | 44-40 | E |
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New York (N) | 41-42 | 41-42 | E |
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San Diego | 33-52 | 33-52 | E |
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San Francisco | 37-47 | 37-47 | E |
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Baltimore | 42-40 | 41-41 | +1 |
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Chicago (N) | 51-33 | 50-34 | +1 |
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Houston | 40-44 | 39-45 | +1 |
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Kansas City | 38-46 | 37-47 | +1 |
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Cincinnati | 39-46 | 37-48 | +2 |
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Pittsburgh | 39-44 | 37-46 | +2 |
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St. Louis | 48-37 | 46-39 | +2 |
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Texas | 44-41 | 42-43 | +2 |
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Florida | 43-40 | 40-43 | +3 |
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Minnesota | 46-38 | 43-41 | +3 |
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Tampa Bay | 51-32 | 48-35 | +3 |
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Washington | 34-51 | 31-54 | +3 |
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Milwaukee | 45-38 | 41-42 | +4 |
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Los Angeles (A) | 50-34 | 43-41 | +7 |
The O's are part of the middle of the pack (-1, E, +1) that have played and gotten the record they pretty much deserve. We're one game lucky. If the team were to avoid injuries, didn't trade some of the good players, and played as they are now, chances are they finish around .500, a minor miracle season for a group that I expected would lose about 100 games.
AL East Standings, as they would be:
- Boston
- Tampa Bay
- Toronto
- New York
- Baltimore
- Chicago
- Cleveland
- Minnesota
- Detroit
- Kansas City
- Oakland
- Los Angeles
- Texas
- Seattle
- Philadelphia
- Atlanta
- New York
- Florida
- Washington
- Chicago
- St. Louis
- Milwaukee
- Houston
- Pittsburgh
- Cincinnati
- Arizona
- Los Angeles
- San Francisco
- Colorado
- San Diego
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I have a weird take on this
I see things a little differently. When I look back on certain games I never think to myself, “Man, we should have won that game,” or “We really should have lost that one.” This is because over the course of the game, and season, I think things tend to even out and everything happens for a reason.
Let’s say that Sherrill gives up a two run home run in the bottom of the eleventh after a would be strike was missed (hypothetical of course), perhaps earlier in the game an ump missed a strike off the inside corner to an Orioles hitter, pushing the count to 1-0 instead of 0-1, now let’s say that same hitter jacks a solo shot that gave the O’s the lead that put them in the position to win in the eleventh in the first place. Both teams were jipped but the missed call at the end of the game sticks out like a sore thumb.
I don’t know if that really made sense, but to me I can never look back on an NFL, or even MLB, season and think that the team SHOULD have been 1-2 more games better(in NFL terms a huge difference maker) because so many other things happened during the course of the game that went both teams way and impacted the outcome. I also cringe when people gripe about various injuries and whatnot for their team because although there are some exceptions, chances are that the opposing team has just as many issues as your team does, whether it be injuries, chemistry problems, personal issues, or contract disputes.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on
Jul 3, 2008 1:38 AM EDT
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No one’s saying that this is a definite—that Atlanta or Cleveland will have better second halves (Cleveland probably not because they might be sellers), or that the Angels won’t just legitimately start playing better ball or pick someone up, or whatever.
It’s more that it’s an indicator, in many instances, of what’s going on and what might go down in the second half, or next season. The Diamondbacks and Mariners sure fell back into reality, the difference being the D’backs have legit good young players and are evening out to being an OK team, while the Mariners stink because they stink.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 3, 2008 1:48 AM EDT
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Yeah I agree
But if I understand what this chart is trying to tell me, it is that some teams have slim runs scored to runs allowed differentials but can still win a ton of games, like the Angels. Maybe the Angels should be a few games worse, but you can’t discount the fact that they may have been in numerous situations where they had a five run lead going into the eighth and they throw in a guy to get some experience who gives up a three run blast. I may be completely wrong and be over exaggerating that kind of situation, but coming through in the clutch and pulling out close games is more important in baseball than scoring a ton of runs whilst shutting the other team out, which is beneficial in the BCS and NHL.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on
Jul 3, 2008 2:02 AM EDT
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coming through in the clutch
Ya lost me.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 3, 2008 2:09 AM EDT
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Repeat after me...
There is no such thing as clutch.
There is no such thing as clutch.
There is no such thing as clutch.
Thus spake Bill James.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 3, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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is that so?
i thought it wasn’t so much that clutch does not exist, but that it’s not really something that can be tracked quantitatively in any meaningful format.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on
Jul 3, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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Well....
.he may be changing his mind...
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 3, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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that's what I'm saying
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 3, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
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The thing that most skews Pythagorean Records
is variability in starting pitching. Theoretically if a team has 4 great pitchers and the number 5 is crap, you could have a team that is highly competitive 80% of the time, but gives up a ton of runs the other 20%. Likewise, a top pitcher (especially one like Roy Halladay) gives a team plenty of opportunities to run up the difference by allowing no runs in the first place. The pitcher you hit against changes every day, and arguably it changes randomly. But the pitcher who plays is not random at all, which means that the Pythagorean Record is biased because teams with certain configurations of quality in their starting pitching will win more or fewer games than the aggregate would predict.
by math_geek on
Jul 3, 2008 2:08 AM EDT
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absolutely
I’m not using this as something to inform you that the Angels suck (they don’t) or that the Indians will get a lot better (probably won’t, many factors). It’s just a bullshittin’ piece, brother.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 3, 2008 2:10 AM EDT
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Right
That is what I was indirectly getting at, along with the fact that some pitchers can come in and give up runs as all they need to do in certain situations with big leads is throw the ball down the middle to end the game, which is part of the reason that W-L records for pitchers is at least a tiny bit notable.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on
Jul 3, 2008 2:12 AM EDT
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I have mixed feelings...
About Pythag. I see the basic point that scoring and allowing runs are how you win and lose games. But that’s how you lose individual games, not seasons. I read a piece that the DBacks were legit last year because they tended to lose big and win close, which was because they had stellar setup and closer guys in their bullpen but couldn’t come up with decent mop-up guys throughout the year to keep the losing games respectable. This would indicate that their pythag was more askew than their actual record due to flaky circumstances.
Maybe that’s all just an excuse, but I can see the core point. The Orioles outscored the Nationals in the recent series (I think) but lost the series. Maybe it should all even out over time, but maybe not. The premise that an 18-1 game or a 1-18 game should have any bearing on the likely outcome of the 161 other games is only true to the extent that the same players might be playing those other games.
by punkrawka on
Jul 3, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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I don't know why anyone gets worked up about Pythagorean
And go on and on and on explaining it’s deficiencies. It’s a very simple quick calculation that people attempt to align with historical records. Absolutely no one claims it is a very accurate tool, so don’t expect it to be. But, for example, perhaps the Mariners should have paid attention to it last year, just as a data point, to realize they weren’t as strong a team as they thought they were.
by drj on
Jul 3, 2008 10:25 AM EDT
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If you're referencing my above post
I’m not worked up… just BS’ing.
If you weren’t referencing that, then carry on. :-)
by punkrawka on
Jul 3, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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