Dear Awesome Mike Awesome,
In discussion of our bet earlier, at one point you said:
15.5 behind the Sox and 15.5 behind first place is the same thing.
Now, I'm a logic guy, and from this I infer that you're saying the Red Sox will be in first place at the end of the season.
But, being a logic guy, I can't help noticing that the Rays are actually in first place right now, 3.5 games ahead of Boston.
So here's the part I don't understand. If you're saying Boston will be in first place at the end of the season, doesn't that mean the Sox will have to figure out how to beat the Rays on the road at some point instead of being swept?
I'm confused.
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Ugly, butt ugly in fact
What are we, the Orioles? But it’s July 2 and last time I checked the season ends in September. Also attached below is a list of every game Tampa has won in Boston this season:
Ta da!
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 2, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
point taken.
but splitting the season series won’t help you make up any ground. that’s the pesky thing about being behind in the standings.
5 in the loss column, by the way. in fact, you’ve lost nearly as many games as … OMG … the Orioles!
by zknower on Jul 2, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry
as an Orioles fan, we know what five-game losing streaks feel like, but not this season :-)
by math_geek on Jul 2, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a list of every game BOS has won in TB
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
at least this time you just uselessly repeated the point I was responding to in the first place instead of willfully and incredibly arguing with a statement with which you agree. Progress! Maybe next week you can make a lucid point.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, jeez duck
Sober up, huh?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just like poking him with a stick every now and then
Just to make sure he’s paying attention
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like beating him with a stick cuz he's a Sox fan.
Geaux Eaux's
by NawlinsOriole on Jul 3, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually don't lay a glove on him
I just make him repeat his own arguments until he adds enough detail to show how unhinged most of them are.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
E.g.?
It seems more to me like you jump up my butt as soon as you see my name without bothering to think, consider, or make any sense whatsoever—then when it’s apparent even to the likes of you that you have made a wildly poor decision, you rinse and repeat in another thread. And then sometimes Scott disagrees with you (“schools” you, perhaps) and you then, thankfully, have very little to say.
As for unhinged arguments, you’d have a Hall of Fame without Randy Johnson. Good lord.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few points
One, as usual, YOU didn’t go back and look at the post you’re referring to. I was the once who spelled “Considered yourself.”
Two, I make factual and analytical errors. I’ve made very few wildly poor decisions in my life.
Three, yes, I would indeed have the Hall of Fame without Randy Johnson. And I’d have to think long and hard about Curt Schilling. There are far too many “really good” players in the, when it should be for those who have shown greatness for the overwhelming majority of their careers. Seven really good seasons (1993, 1995, 1997-98, 2000-2002) does not a Hall of Famer make.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those 7 seasons are for Johnson
and “I was the ONE.” Told you my typing sucks.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
You don’t think Johnson’s 94 was really good?
There are so few pitchers that have his resume. You’d have about four pitchers in your Hall of Fame.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jul 3, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 pitchers in the HoF
You say that like it’s a bad thing. What’s wrong with being selective? There ought to be a hell of a lot less fielders and hitters in there, too.
Out of all the current/recent pitchers, I’d say Clemens, Rivera and Maddox deserve it. MAYBE Smoltz, but I don’t think he’s a lock. Johnson would be a strong maybe. After that? A bunch of not as strong maybe’s.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s selective (which they are) and then there’s making the Hall of Fame an uninteresting shrine to 15 guys.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jul 3, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
15? C'Mon, don't exaggerate...
I can think of at least 25 guys I’d have in.
:)
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
13-6 with only 23 starts?
Sure, his ERA+ was great, but not a complete year. Now, the 9 CG and 4 SHO got my attention, but still, not quite a full year of greatness – less than 180 IP.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you a lunatic?
What about 99? 04? A Hall of Fame without Randy Johnson would be a fucking joke. I don’t even know how to respond to this nonsense.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then don't
and we’d all be much appreciative.
As for ‘99, OK, wins aren’t the be-all end-all, but he was 8 games over .500 for the year. OK, he had a GREAT ERA+. Even so, that’s 8 great seasons, and it’s a stretch to call some of them truly great rather than very good. Is that enough for the Hall of Fame? Maybe in your estimation, not mine.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is barely
a stupider way to measure a pitcher’s effectiveness than GAMES ABOVE .500. Jesus.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
I just love pissing you off.
:)
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know who should be in the HoF?
Cito Gaston. He was such a great guy.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, now you're pissing ME off....
Well played, though. +1
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
though bringing back Cito really baffles me. What, they’re going to the World Series now because he’s managing the team again?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more
they know he can act as a placeholder for the rest of the year while they figure out who they really want. Kind of like we did with Trembley last year. Eventually, DD earned the job. I hope Cito earns early retirement.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right,
I just thought it was a weird time to bring back a WS winning manager…to deal with finishing 4th or 5th.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd been in the FO
in some created “special assistant” slot, basically looking for something to do. Wouldn’t surprise me if he volunteered.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all pretty stupid
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jul 3, 2008 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm really getting sick of this Tamp Bay Devil Rays stuff
People are acting like the Rays have come completely out of the blue and are such a magical story. This team has been restocking for years now, it is no surprise that all their number one prospects are panning out after having a top six draft pick every single year for the past ten years bar 2005, when they drafted Oriole great Wade Townsend. Even though this organization has been absolutely pathetic, it is hard for any professional club to mess up that many times when your given so many opportunities. I also don’t really get this “good for baseball” bullshit. The reason that the Trop cannot sell out games is because the Rays never had fans period. Analysts and people on blogs say that people are finally coming back to the Trop in droves.
1.) They’re not.
2.) There were never Rays fans period because they play in a terrible baseball state, with a terrible baseball stadium, and have been a historically terrible team.
Congratulations Tampa Bay on taking ten years to build one team that is first place on July 2. Remarkable.
By the way, that wasn’t aimed at you, Z, just me mouthing off.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
?
What the fuck, yo.
They finally fixed their front office a couple years ago and after making good draft choices, trades, and other acquisitions, they’re reaping the benefits. We should be inspired by what they’ve done, considering what they’re doing is what we hired Andy MacPhail to do.
They could’ve been the Diamondbacks and landed themselves in considerable debt over Matt Williams, though. I suppose there’s that.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jul 3, 2008 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate that aspect
But what I am sick of is the amount of exposure/coverage/attention they are receiving. I should know by now not to expect anything spectacular coming from the world wide leader or any other mainstream media outlet, but the thing that ticks me off is that it is being made to seem like this team has come out of the blue and the fans are rallying behind them in record numbers to see the boys play. That was all I was calling foul on.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they pay too much attention to the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets and Cubs, and now they pay too much attention to the Rays. My God, who do you want them to talk about? The Pirates?
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jul 3, 2008 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals
at least when they face Danny Cabs…
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
They should talk about the Royals. Good idea.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figured I'd have you in my corner for that one...
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You figured right
I was downright giddy when the Royals 6 or 7 game streak got them on SportsCenter before garbage time.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're kindred spirits, dude
Just you have BBQ, and I have seafood.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to take credit for having BBQ
but being a Masshole, what I have is a really good Chinese Food place a block from my house. :p
But yes, +10 to the kindred spirit thingy. Writing for the Royals makes you realize how spoiled your average Sox fan is.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about the whole living in New England thing
Get out when you can….
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go to college in Maine
which helps keep me mentally stable. As I think I’ve rambled on CC before, I lived in Maryland until I was ten. I don’t remember it that well, except for a vague notion that people are slightly less high strung…
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LESS high strung in MD?
Did you live on the Shore, Western MD or Southern MD? ‘Cause you sure ain’t describing Central Maryland or the city or the DC suburbs…
And if I had to live anywhere in NE, I think I’d pick Maine. Or Vermont. Mass. would be last.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It probably has to with
being younger, so my memories of it are happy or something like that.
But in no particular order, I lived in two different places in Northeast, Ellicott City, Oella (sp?), and-very briefly-in Delaware for like half a year. Delaware’s part of Maryland, right?
Maine’s nice. It’s laid back. It’s a good fit, though a lot of my college friends are from NH.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of DE
might as well be, except the part that’s really a suburb of Philly.
Actually, most of the Shore should be part of DE. It’s definitely a different vibe…
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates aren't
THAT bad…oh never mind.
FWIW, the Rays are 3.5 games over their pyth record, so it’s likely this race will stay close…just in time for the Orioles to pull out the division with a 23-game win streak.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Kevin Millar is posting on CC now!
Very exciting.
by punkrawka on Jul 3, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh,
I wore Millar’s number in high school back when he was the Rally Kareoke (okay, no matter how I try to spell that, it looks fucking bizarre) Guy, but I can’t claim to be Kevbo…my hair just isn’t quite as awesome.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
I really think it will only take a 17 game winning streak. Let’s not get ridiculous, now.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe
but would you say know to 6 extra games?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you wouldn't
because “know” would mean nothing. Would you say “no”?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'd take them, don't worry...
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pyth records
don’t measure luck properly, they are biased by the variety of starting pitching. Tampa Bay has 3 really good pitchers (which gives them the advantage in 60% of their games, so that may be the reason for their 3.5 games over pyth record.
by math_geek on Jul 3, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used my 12-sided die
and got a +3 multiplier for my D&D character’s luck modifier.
by blawk359 on Jul 3, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real men...
use a 20-sided.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay has 3 really good pitchers (which gives them the advantage in 60% of their games
A rather bold statement. What about the other team’s starting pitcher?
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jul 3, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when modeling, I assumed the other team's starting pitcher is irrelevant
by assuming that the quality of opposing pitching was essentially random. This is probably wrong, as we seem to match Guthrie against opposing teams aces fairly regularly, but it’s a much better assumption than assuming that on a given day the quality of your team’s pitching is random, as it really matters whether Kazmir or Jackson are pitching, and those pitchers rotate. However, a team faces many different starting pitchers of varying qualities, and we can more safely treat the quality of opposing pitching as a random variable over time (again, the major problem with this is that teams all play their best pitcher first, second pitcher second and so on, so it’s not clear we can get away with this).
The statistical concept I’ve been dancing around is stationarity. Pyth records are supposed to be a predictor of how many wins a team gets based on their runs scored and runs allowed, and then the error in the prediction is usually attributed to “luck.” My argument is that such a model may be skewed, because one typical assumption to do these kinds of predictions is that the error terms are “stationary” meaning that the probability of a win would be equal on any given day. This is simply wrong, as the Rays are simply more likely to win games when Kazmir is pitching then win Ediwn Jackson is pitching.
by math_geek on Jul 4, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they really don't take "luck" into
account, as most of the time teams real records will regress towards their pyth records.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The
Mets, Rod Sox, Yankees, and Cubs play in gigantic markets. The Devil Rays don’t. Again, the thing that ticks me off is the fact that people still question whether the Rays have any longevity because they “came out of nowhere,” coupled with the fact that it is made to seem like Rays fans are flocking to that lovely park. I am not making much sense right now but I just hate that you can’t get any type of substantial commentary from any kind of media, mainstream or local.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PECOTA said 90 wins
Obviously, the data was there to suggest they would do well.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. No one on earth is calling that dump a lovely park. And it’s not their fault they play there.
2. Their longevity deserves to be questioned, frankly. They’re riding three young pitchers, and while I think that’s an awesome way to go about your business, it’s worth the time to wonder if Garza in particular can make it throuugh a whole season.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jul 3, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins have pulled it off twice...
although with a much stronger contingent of FA rentals.
Exhibit A
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are acting like the Rays have come completely out of the blue and are such a magical story.
I think people are surprised that they became this good this fast. Everybody and their mother was predicting that the Rays were a good and upcomiing team. They just did it a season or two faster than expected.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 3, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "experts"
Think that they blossomed a season early, but 95% of everyone else thinks that this is a complete surprise.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
95% of everyone else thinks that this is a complete surprise.
If this 95% translates as casual fans, then yes, completely agree. But anyone who follows baseball closely saw this coming, just not this fast.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 3, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing to bet
That over 85% of people who consider themselves baseball “fans” are what we consider casual.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not ready
to start taking pleasure in the Red Sox being in 2nd place right now. It’s July, let’s see what happens. The Rays are obviously legit, but I still think the Sox will be in the playoffs.
And speaking of the Rays, I’m sorry, but I can just never support this corny-ass franchise….baseball talent aside, they will always be silly to me, and I’ll never want to see them succeed
by oriolez on Jul 3, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the Rays
I didn’t think they would be this good this fast. 1) Their defense was awful last year but I read somewhere they’re now 1st in defensive efficiency. How did that happen? They added Barlett but they’re team isn’t all that different defensively from last year. 2) Their BP was awful last year, but fixed it by adding Percival (?!) and their starters are pitching deeper into games. I thought their BP would be bad again but hey missed that one.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 3, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Revel in it, people!
Boston is closer to 3rd than they are to 1st in the loss column.
In the words of Stimpson J. Cat, “happy, happy, joy, joy”
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
by dayzd toe on Jul 3, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this...
what you call a non sequitur?
by blawk359 on Jul 3, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just zknower...
you know, stirring the pot
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
by dayzd toe on Jul 4, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, here's what happened.
1. When they dropped “Devil” from their name, the team took off. We were saying here last fall “Watch out, they could suck significantly less next year!” We were modest.
2. OK, no more debbils makin’ ‘em do it, but you can still have sympathy for them. I mean, it’s cool that they Sucked Worse Than Us for just oh so long—and now they suddenly don’t! If that isn’t inspiring, you really need to switch back from decaf.
3. Their chief problems right now:
(a) generic jerseys. I mean, look at thos…zzz…zzz…Oh, sorry, must’ve dozed off looking at the Rays virtually colorless, virtually emblem-less uni’s. Apparently the FO thought “Hey, we’ve still got 2-3 years before we’re gonna be really good—let’s see if some nice uni designs and logos come in over the transom. Y’know, we’ll do a middle school contest or something, they can keep the crayons for prizes. We don’t have to hire an actual PR firm and all that yet. ” Oops.
(b) The Trop = The Slop. And what are those stains on the infield rug? The Glop. Cheap-looking, bad backround, even more boring rthan the uni’s—The Trop’s a crummy venue in a place with no reason for one. Presumably, this season is their breakout year, literally.
4. duck: I wish you’d make some Lucite points too. You could start by suggesting some colors for the Trop walls currently adorned with sparkling Cement-Block Gray, a terrific choice for the interior of an adult correctional facility—which the place sorta was, of course, when Canseco was around. Hey, that’s over. I’m thinking chartreuse.
Rah Rah Rasputin / Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that / Really loved Birds. -- Boney M
by Titov on Jul 3, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
p.s. It's SO COOL that this CROOSHAL series is being called "Sawx-Yerks: The Epic Battle for Third!"
Rah Rah Rasputin / Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that / Really loved Birds. -- Boney M
by Titov on Jul 3, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.p.s. What? Oh. I though he said "Lucite" points. C'mon, it's Southie, home of the Pink hats, right?
Rah Rah Rasputin / Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that / Really loved Birds. -- Boney M
by Titov on Jul 3, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I started being lucid
I’d lose what little charm I have.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'87 & '91 Twins
A butt-ugly stadium is no deterant to a WS championship.
Remember the “we like it here” signs on the Hefty Bag?
And for the record, YES, I’ll take the Homer Dome over whatever open air stadium it is they’ll have year after next.
Common sense > aesthetics.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean....
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LUUUUUUUUUUUUKE has to stay back at the team hotel when the O’s play the Twins in MIN?
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Short-term I’d say yes. But you know Scalia & the boys are just itching to take a case that’ll overturn Twins policy.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck the homer dome
That place is a pox on baseball.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jul 3, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
But there just isn’t any excuse for cheap-ass Carl Pohlad, who has more $$$ than Warren Buffet, Bill Gates & the Sultan of Brunei, not to spring for an up to date, modern, decent looking dome.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or at least a closable roof
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
also would have worked
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE Replacing The Trop: The whole New Waterfront Ballpark thing is now on hold, I just read. Too bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rays_Ballpark
The short version:
New ballpark?
The biggest surprise of the 2007 offseason came on November 9 when the Rays announced that they were in negotiations to potentially build a new $450-million, 34,000 seat, open-air baseball stadium at the site of Progress Energy Park/Al Lang Field, their current spring training facility on the St. Petersburg waterfront, to open by 2012.[26] Financial plans for the new stadium were revealed on May 15, 2008.[27] The deal would see owner Stu Sternberg providing $150 million to the project, and much of the remaining money would be covered by the sale of redevelopment rights to Tropicana Field and the state of Florida’s 30-year, $60-million sales tax rebate for new venues. The city of St. Petersburg would also pay roughly $75 million that team officials say the city has already committed to the franchise. Any final plans would have to be approved by voters in St. Petersburg since all new construction on public property must be put to a referendum, regardless of whether or not the project uses taxpayer money.28 On June 25, 2008 the Rays Officially dropped their proposal for the waterfront stadium. Instead, they opted to hire a focus group to help garnish support for the Rays and seek other possible locations for the stadium.[30]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Rays
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by Titov on Jul 5, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear zknower,
Still confused?
xoxo,
Mike
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 14, 2008 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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