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Dear Awesome Mike Awesome,

In discussion of our bet earlier, at one point you said:

15.5 behind the Sox and 15.5 behind first place is the same thing.

Now, I'm a logic guy, and from this I infer that you're saying the Red Sox will be in first place at the end of the season.

But, being a logic guy, I can't help noticing that the Rays are actually in first place right now, 3.5 games ahead of Boston.

So here's the part I don't understand. If you're saying Boston will be in first place at the end of the season, doesn't that mean the Sox will have to figure out how to beat the Rays on the road at some point instead of being swept?

I'm confused. 

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Ugly, butt ugly in fact

What are we, the Orioles? But it’s July 2 and last time I checked the season ends in September. Also attached below is a list of every game Tampa has won in Boston this season:

Ta da!

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 2, 2008 11:15 PM EDT   0 recs

point taken.

but splitting the season series won’t help you make up any ground. that’s the pesky thing about being behind in the standings.

5 in the loss column, by the way. in fact, you’ve lost nearly as many games as … OMG … the Orioles!

by zknower on Jul 2, 2008 11:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

don't worry

as an Orioles fan, we know what five-game losing streaks feel like, but not this season :-)

by math_geek on Jul 2, 2008 11:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yet

"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)

by dayzd toe on Jul 3, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's a list of every game BOS has won in TB

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

at least this time you just uselessly repeated the point I was responding to in the first place instead of willfully and incredibly arguing with a statement with which you agree. Progress! Maybe next week you can make a lucid point.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea, jeez duck

Sober up, huh?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just like poking him with a stick every now and then

Just to make sure he’s paying attention

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 10:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I usually don't lay a glove on him

I just make him repeat his own arguments until he adds enough detail to show how unhinged most of them are.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

E.g.?

It seems more to me like you jump up my butt as soon as you see my name without bothering to think, consider, or make any sense whatsoever—then when it’s apparent even to the likes of you that you have made a wildly poor decision, you rinse and repeat in another thread. And then sometimes Scott disagrees with you (“schools” you, perhaps) and you then, thankfully, have very little to say.

As for unhinged arguments, you’d have a Hall of Fame without Randy Johnson. Good lord.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A few points

One, as usual, YOU didn’t go back and look at the post you’re referring to. I was the once who spelled “Considered yourself.”

Two, I make factual and analytical errors. I’ve made very few wildly poor decisions in my life.

Three, yes, I would indeed have the Hall of Fame without Randy Johnson. And I’d have to think long and hard about Curt Schilling. There are far too many “really good” players in the, when it should be for those who have shown greatness for the overwhelming majority of their careers. Seven really good seasons (1993, 1995, 1997-98, 2000-2002) does not a Hall of Famer make.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Those 7 seasons are for Johnson

and “I was the ONE.” Told you my typing sucks.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh man

You don’t think Johnson’s 94 was really good?

There are so few pitchers that have his resume. You’d have about four pitchers in your Hall of Fame.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

4 pitchers in the HoF

You say that like it’s a bad thing. What’s wrong with being selective? There ought to be a hell of a lot less fielders and hitters in there, too.

Out of all the current/recent pitchers, I’d say Clemens, Rivera and Maddox deserve it. MAYBE Smoltz, but I don’t think he’s a lock. Johnson would be a strong maybe. After that? A bunch of not as strong maybe’s.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There’s selective (which they are) and then there’s making the Hall of Fame an uninteresting shrine to 15 guys.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

15? C'Mon, don't exaggerate...

I can think of at least 25 guys I’d have in.

:)

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

13-6 with only 23 starts?

Sure, his ERA+ was great, but not a complete year. Now, the 9 CG and 4 SHO got my attention, but still, not quite a full year of greatness – less than 180 IP.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you a lunatic?

What about 99? 04? A Hall of Fame without Randy Johnson would be a fucking joke. I don’t even know how to respond to this nonsense.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Then don't

and we’d all be much appreciative.

As for ‘99, OK, wins aren’t the be-all end-all, but he was 8 games over .500 for the year. OK, he had a GREAT ERA+. Even so, that’s 8 great seasons, and it’s a stretch to call some of them truly great rather than very good. Is that enough for the Hall of Fame? Maybe in your estimation, not mine.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There is barely

a stupider way to measure a pitcher’s effectiveness than GAMES ABOVE .500. Jesus.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 3, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know...

I just love pissing you off.

:)

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You know who should be in the HoF?

Cito Gaston. He was such a great guy.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, now you're pissing ME off....

Well played, though. +1

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you

though bringing back Cito really baffles me. What, they’re going to the World Series now because he’s managing the team again?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's more

they know he can act as a placeholder for the rest of the year while they figure out who they really want. Kind of like we did with Trembley last year. Eventually, DD earned the job. I hope Cito earns early retirement.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're probably right,

I just thought it was a weird time to bring back a WS winning manager…to deal with finishing 4th or 5th.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He'd been in the FO

in some created “special assistant” slot, basically looking for something to do. Wouldn’t surprise me if he volunteered.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 6:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This is all pretty stupid

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Jul 3, 2008 1:04 AM EDT   0 recs

I'm really getting sick of this Tamp Bay Devil Rays stuff

People are acting like the Rays have come completely out of the blue and are such a magical story. This team has been restocking for years now, it is no surprise that all their number one prospects are panning out after having a top six draft pick every single year for the past ten years bar 2005, when they drafted Oriole great Wade Townsend. Even though this organization has been absolutely pathetic, it is hard for any professional club to mess up that many times when your given so many opportunities. I also don’t really get this “good for baseball” bullshit. The reason that the Trop cannot sell out games is because the Rays never had fans period. Analysts and people on blogs say that people are finally coming back to the Trop in droves.
1.) They’re not.
2.) There were never Rays fans period because they play in a terrible baseball state, with a terrible baseball stadium, and have been a historically terrible team.

Congratulations Tampa Bay on taking ten years to build one team that is first place on July 2. Remarkable.

By the way, that wasn’t aimed at you, Z, just me mouthing off.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 1:50 AM EDT   0 recs

?

What the fuck, yo.

They finally fixed their front office a couple years ago and after making good draft choices, trades, and other acquisitions, they’re reaping the benefits. We should be inspired by what they’ve done, considering what they’re doing is what we hired Andy MacPhail to do.

They could’ve been the Diamondbacks and landed themselves in considerable debt over Matt Williams, though. I suppose there’s that.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 1:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I appreciate that aspect

But what I am sick of is the amount of exposure/coverage/attention they are receiving. I should know by now not to expect anything spectacular coming from the world wide leader or any other mainstream media outlet, but the thing that ticks me off is that it is being made to seem like this team has come out of the blue and the fans are rallying behind them in record numbers to see the boys play. That was all I was calling foul on.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 2:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So they pay too much attention to the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets and Cubs, and now they pay too much attention to the Rays. My God, who do you want them to talk about? The Pirates?

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 2:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Royals

at least when they face Danny Cabs…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

They should talk about the Royals. Good idea.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Figured I'd have you in my corner for that one...

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 10:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You figured right

I was downright giddy when the Royals 6 or 7 game streak got them on SportsCenter before garbage time.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We're kindred spirits, dude

Just you have BBQ, and I have seafood.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd love to take credit for having BBQ

but being a Masshole, what I have is a really good Chinese Food place a block from my house. :p

But yes, +10 to the kindred spirit thingy. Writing for the Royals makes you realize how spoiled your average Sox fan is.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry about the whole living in New England thing

Get out when you can….

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I go to college in Maine

which helps keep me mentally stable. As I think I’ve rambled on CC before, I lived in Maryland until I was ten. I don’t remember it that well, except for a vague notion that people are slightly less high strung…

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LESS high strung in MD?

Did you live on the Shore, Western MD or Southern MD? ‘Cause you sure ain’t describing Central Maryland or the city or the DC suburbs…

And if I had to live anywhere in NE, I think I’d pick Maine. Or Vermont. Mass. would be last.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It probably has to with

being younger, so my memories of it are happy or something like that.

But in no particular order, I lived in two different places in Northeast, Ellicott City, Oella (sp?), and-very briefly-in Delaware for like half a year. Delaware’s part of Maryland, right?

Maine’s nice. It’s laid back. It’s a good fit, though a lot of my college friends are from NH.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Most of DE

might as well be, except the part that’s really a suburb of Philly.

Actually, most of the Shore should be part of DE. It’s definitely a different vibe…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Pirates aren't

THAT bad…oh never mind.

FWIW, the Rays are 3.5 games over their pyth record, so it’s likely this race will stay close…just in time for the Orioles to pull out the division with a 23-game win streak.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh,

I wore Millar’s number in high school back when he was the Rally Kareoke (okay, no matter how I try to spell that, it looks fucking bizarre) Guy, but I can’t claim to be Kevbo…my hair just isn’t quite as awesome.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 10:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually....

I really think it will only take a 17 game winning streak. Let’s not get ridiculous, now.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well maybe

but would you say know to 6 extra games?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 6:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, you wouldn't

because “know” would mean nothing. Would you say “no”?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 6:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, I'd take them, don't worry...

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pyth records

don’t measure luck properly, they are biased by the variety of starting pitching. Tampa Bay has 3 really good pitchers (which gives them the advantage in 60% of their games, so that may be the reason for their 3.5 games over pyth record.

by math_geek on Jul 3, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I used my 12-sided die

and got a +3 multiplier for my D&D character’s luck modifier.

by blawk359 on Jul 3, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Real men...

use a 20-sided.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 12:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tampa Bay has 3 really good pitchers (which gives them the advantage in 60% of their games

A rather bold statement. What about the other team’s starting pitcher?

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 12:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

It’s not really a given that Kazmir, Shields, and Garza are always going to be better than the opposing starter. That said, they have a solid rotation.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when modeling, I assumed the other team's starting pitcher is irrelevant

by assuming that the quality of opposing pitching was essentially random. This is probably wrong, as we seem to match Guthrie against opposing teams aces fairly regularly, but it’s a much better assumption than assuming that on a given day the quality of your team’s pitching is random, as it really matters whether Kazmir or Jackson are pitching, and those pitchers rotate. However, a team faces many different starting pitchers of varying qualities, and we can more safely treat the quality of opposing pitching as a random variable over time (again, the major problem with this is that teams all play their best pitcher first, second pitcher second and so on, so it’s not clear we can get away with this).

The statistical concept I’ve been dancing around is stationarity. Pyth records are supposed to be a predictor of how many wins a team gets based on their runs scored and runs allowed, and then the error in the prediction is usually attributed to “luck.” My argument is that such a model may be skewed, because one typical assumption to do these kinds of predictions is that the error terms are “stationary” meaning that the probability of a win would be equal on any given day. This is simply wrong, as the Rays are simply more likely to win games when Kazmir is pitching then win Ediwn Jackson is pitching.

by math_geek on Jul 4, 2008 2:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, they really don't take "luck" into

account, as most of the time teams real records will regress towards their pyth records.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 3, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The

Mets, Rod Sox, Yankees, and Cubs play in gigantic markets. The Devil Rays don’t. Again, the thing that ticks me off is the fact that people still question whether the Rays have any longevity because they “came out of nowhere,” coupled with the fact that it is made to seem like Rays fans are flocking to that lovely park. I am not making much sense right now but I just hate that you can’t get any type of substantial commentary from any kind of media, mainstream or local.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

PECOTA said 90 wins

Obviously, the data was there to suggest they would do well.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1. No one on earth is calling that dump a lovely park. And it’s not their fault they play there.

2. Their longevity deserves to be questioned, frankly. They’re riding three young pitchers, and while I think that’s an awesome way to go about your business, it’s worth the time to wonder if Garza in particular can make it throuugh a whole season.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Marlins have pulled it off twice...

although with a much stronger contingent of FA rentals.

Exhibit A

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

People are acting like the Rays have come completely out of the blue and are such a magical story.

I think people are surprised that they became this good this fast. Everybody and their mother was predicting that the Rays were a good and upcomiing team. They just did it a season or two faster than expected.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 3, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The "experts"

Think that they blossomed a season early, but 95% of everyone else thinks that this is a complete surprise.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

95% of everyone else thinks that this is a complete surprise.

If this 95% translates as casual fans, then yes, completely agree. But anyone who follows baseball closely saw this coming, just not this fast.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 3, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd be willing to bet

That over 85% of people who consider themselves baseball “fans” are what we consider casual.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not ready

to start taking pleasure in the Red Sox being in 2nd place right now. It’s July, let’s see what happens. The Rays are obviously legit, but I still think the Sox will be in the playoffs.

And speaking of the Rays, I’m sorry, but I can just never support this corny-ass franchise….baseball talent aside, they will always be silly to me, and I’ll never want to see them succeed

by oriolez on Jul 3, 2008 10:04 AM EDT   0 recs

the Rays

I didn’t think they would be this good this fast. 1) Their defense was awful last year but I read somewhere they’re now 1st in defensive efficiency. How did that happen? They added Barlett but they’re team isn’t all that different defensively from last year. 2) Their BP was awful last year, but fixed it by adding Percival (?!) and their starters are pitching deeper into games. I thought their BP would be bad again but hey missed that one.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 3, 2008 12:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Revel in it, people!

Boston is closer to 3rd than they are to 1st in the loss column.

In the words of Stimpson J. Cat, “happy, happy, joy, joy”

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT   0 recs

"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)

by dayzd toe on Jul 3, 2008 2:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Is this...

what you call a non sequitur?

by blawk359 on Jul 3, 2008 3:29 PM EDT