Trade Rumors Roundup
- Apparently the O's aren't ready to trade Sherrill unless they get a boat load in return.
- Ray Durham to the Brewers makes the Brian Roberts deadline deal options even slimmer.
- According to an "insider" at Orioles Hangout, the Brewers offered Billy Hall plus a throw in for Bradford.
- Millar, Walker, Payton and Hernandez have not surfaced in any trade talks at all.
- The Orioles have fixed all their problems at the SS position by acquiring Juan Castro in a trade for Mike McCoy. Useful.
I don't think we are going to see that much going on by July 31. As I thought, the Orioles don't want to trade Sherrill and just throw away countless games without getting a major haul in return, and most other teams aren't overly impressed by the southpaw. MacPhail has a player who potentially could rack in an entire farm system in Roberts; the speedy switch hitting 2B is a plus defender with a year and a half left on his contract and is widely considered a top leadoff man in the majors. The problem is that a lot of the teams interested, which is not a very long list, either a.) don't want to give up anything of value or b.) don't have anything of value. I think you'll see a Bradford be flipped but Huff, Roberts, and Sherrill are all demanding pretty high prices and unfortunately I feel like only Roberts will be the only one to retain that value by the winter.
Edit 07/23: Will Carroll at BP, who I find very credible, reminded me of an interesting aspect.
"The Orioles haven’t been doing much talking about some of their players. Brian Roberts was thought to be headed out, but as the team has stayed over .500, Andy MacPhail seems more inclined to keep the team intact. As one AL insider told me, “.500 has some value in rebuilding fans. Not many teams can do what the Rays are doing.” The O’s have some relievers (Jamie Walker, Chad Bradford) that will clear waivers and be available on into August, but the team is not interested in dealing George Sherrill unless they’re given a crazy offer."
The O's are gonna have a few guys who clear waivers this year, so if Andy doesn't get much done by the 31st don't be too discouraged as we could get some post deadline deals done, when the market is pretty exclusive.
It is well publisized, but the Cardinals have an attrocious bullpen and need help. They are probably the team that is showing the most interest in Sherrill but aren't going to give Andy what he wants. He wants Rasmus, they won't give him up.
"Sherrill has 29 saves this season. But his previous personal best was the three games he closed in 2007. He's a 31-year-old second year closer who allows 1.41 baserunners per inning pitched. He has an ERA pushing 4.00, which isn't too hot for a guy that pitches one inning, usually coming in at the start of the ninth with the bases empty. In fact, he has only logged an ERA less than 3.80 once in his five years as a bullpenner.
Want a shortstop, Baltimore? I'd think Brendan Ryan would be plenty. He's got tons of talent that may come out if he gets a chance to play everyday (for a manager who doesn't seem to hate him.) If you want an outfielder, too, okay. Your choice of Joe Mather or Nick Stavinoha. That's it."
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I would have taken Bill Hall and a throw in for Bradford
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by NawlinsOriole on Jul 20, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign me up!
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 20, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not me
Hall is owed $13.2 million over the next two years with a $9.25 million option for the next year ($.5 million buyout). So unless you think he can turn it around, he is not worth it IMO. They should just be glad to get his salary off the books.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 20, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take him
He is 28 and could definitely fill the SS gap for a little while until we can develop one of our own. He isn’t anything spectacular but is far and away better than anything that we have right now, and even if he isn’t used at SS he is a full eight years younger than Mora and could take over there until Rowell/other.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 20, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherrill
Sherrill is a perfect candidate for a regression/people realizing that he’s not as good as his save totals say. I say trade him. Jim Johnson can trade, and Chris Ray’ll be back by next April at the latest.
by pipkin on Jul 21, 2008 8:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Johnson...
is being penciled in for the rotation next year, I do believe.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 21, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Did you read that somewhere? The things I have seen in the past is the front office saw him as a bullpen guy, and then he came up is breaking out as a bullpen guy.
With Guthrie, Cabrera, Liz, Olson, Burres, Penn, Bergeson, Tillman, Patton all vying for the rotation next year (I assume that Tillman and Bergeson will get invites though would not be favored to make the team), Johnson would be filling a better need in the pen.
by PWubbs on Jul 21, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penn is questionable
Who knows if Bergeson, Tillman, and Patton will be ready by then? We’ve seen Liz and Olsen come up and struggle mightily, perhaps because they weren’t ready, and I’m not sure if it’s in this teams best interest to push anyone.
Also, I believe that Penn is be terrible most of this season. I recall two games where he didn’t get smacked around. Case in point, July 17th: 4IP, 6 earned, 2 walks, 1 strikeout. That’s not good. I’d be happier with David Hernandez getting a look as a long man or middle reliever then a starter. I know you hadn’t mentioned him, but I wanted to through that out there.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 21, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the kid, but....
I don’t see Penn getting another shot with the O’s this year, and maybe slated to a fate of organizational guy in AAA.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 21, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Hernandez
But, I agree with you that if the other 2 AA guys would get a look that Hernandez would as well.
I think Burres and Olson have an edge as they are both lefty, and we can’t have a rotation full of righties.
I am not encouraged to put him in a starting role. He did not exactly dominate the minors as a starter; his last 2 years he had ERA’s over 4 and a whip in the 1.40’s. I think he would be a Burres type of pitcher in the rotation, and it is not very valuable. Burres gets burned the 2nd and 3rd time through the order, and I think it would be the same for Johnson. I could be wrong; he could turn into a crafty starter.
by PWubbs on Jul 21, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No alarms and no surprises
I’m all for Burres returning to the pen next season. He’s done as a starter. I just hope there’s someone who can take his place.
One lefty in the rotation is fine. Having two is just a blessing…well, it would be a blessing if they weren’t struggling as much as Burres and Olsen are.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 21, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, consider the source
Dempsey referenced it pre-game a few times. I’m sure I saw it referenced at least once in The Sun.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 21, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has enough pitches
I’d love him to develop into a Joe Nathan style closer. Not to say he’ll be as dominant as Nathan, just that he uses a plethora of pitches. He seems to have the intensity to close. I mean, look at that scowl!
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 21, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy should not get greedy for Sherrill
He’s the best trade bait we have right now, assuming B-Rob is going nowhere, and everyone knows his success this season may be fleeting. It’s too bad no one is interested in any of our underperforming veterans, but not at all surprising. JayPay, Melmo, Razor and Millar are pretty much here until they are released/not renewed, unless one of them has a monster second half—not very likely. Personally, my feeling is that Huff still has some good years in him, and we may have some time to move him.
by fishoutawata on Jul 21, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
trade while value is high
I doubt that Sherrill’s value will ever be higher than it is right now. He just shut down the game’s best for 2.1 innings. Watching him this year he hasn’t really impressed me much. He always seems to have runners on base, and no save is a sure thing. In a way, I think he’s been very lucky and won’t keep it up. I say trade him at he deadline for what ever the best deal is.
by edsachs1 on Jul 21, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherrill trade rumors
On O’s Hangout, a poster mentioned that the Red Sox really like Sherrill according to Buster Olney (I’m assuming this tidbit was hidden ESPN Insider content). Then there was a long ass thread about serious discussion in acquiring either Lowrie or Ellsburg (although some people were joking about the realistic possibility of getting Ellsbury). I’ll just say that RS were reluctant to Ellsbury for Santana , I highly doubt they’ll trade for a reliever. Lowrie is a damn fine prospect. Sickels rates as a A- in the offseason. I can’t imagine the RS giving him up for Sherrill.
Rosenthal reports:
The Orioles are willing to trade left-hander George Sherrill only if a potential suitor wants to overpay. The team’s previous closer, Chris Ray, is recovering from elbow-ligament transplant surgery, and Sherrill is under club control for the next three seasons.
Look, I like Sherrill but I don’t get this dogged determinism in keeping him. Bowden held on Cordero far too long because his asking price was too high. Now Cordero doesn’t have any trade value. I would hate to see the same thing happen to Sherrill.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 21, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A trade with the Red Sox is very, very unlikely alone, but even more so if you talk about throwing in Ellsbury who they fawn over. I am pretty confident that the O’s won’t trade Sherrill because as much as it makes sense to trade away a guy who we know is going to come down sooner or later, flipping Sherrill pretty much guarantees 5-10 more losses this season, which doesn’t do much for ticket sales etc. Although this is a rebuilding year, trading away Sherrill would be devastating for this team this season, and we all know that Angelos couldn’t stand putting out anything but the best for his fans.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 21, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherrill can be replaced
Closer is by far the most overrated position in the majors. The O’s are proof. We’ve already found two replacements (Ray and Sherrill) for B.J. Ryan. Alot of people made a big deal when he lost him (I feel it was a mistake not to trade him, rather than not signing him).
Also I think you overestimate the amount of losses we’d add when you subtract Sherrill. In order for him to have an impact on wins, the O’s must already have the lead in the game (or at least a tie). Your assuming that whoever replaces Sherrill will blow 5-10 games the second half. I doubt Jim Johnson (the likely replacement) would be that bad. In fact I think he may be better than Sherrill.
I really think the O’s will miss out on a huge opportunity and step in the rebuilding process, if they choose to hold on to Sherrill.
by edsachs1 on Jul 21, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your assuming I think Johnson would be the closer
I think that it might be mostly Johnson, but some closer by committe. Trembley is a lot more apt to put in a veteran who is having a worse season over a young guy playing lights out; it wouldn’t be too surprising to see him put in Bradford or Walker for a few closing situations if they aren’t dealt. Your right that 10 games may be too many, but with the amount of 1 run games the O’s play(ed) in it isn’t that far fetched to think that a young guy who has never closed before, whoever it may be, would allow a run or two in six of the 20-30 games he appears in.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 21, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on now
Yes, Johnson can replace Sherril more than adequately, but if we move Johnson to closer who locks down the 8th inning? Sarfate? Bradford/Walker again? I think 5-10 more losses in the 7th and 8th inning due to the net loss of Sherrill from our entire bullpen is not unrealistic at all.
by punkrawka on Jul 22, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5-10 seems a bit much
For a team that will most likely win 25-28 games from here out anyway, that would mean we would instead win somewhere between 15-23. I don’t see the team winning just 15 games the rest of the year, or even just 23. I think 5 is the high side of losses we would endure with Sherrill being moved.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 22, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's assume Sherrill would appear
In 28 more games in the second half, he played in 44 the first half, is it that out there to think that between a flimsy set up guy, whoever it may be, and an untested rookie closer they blow 7 games?
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 22, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
It’s all speculation and subject to change, if the O’s were to deal other key pieces they won’t even be in close games anyways.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 22, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My assumption
lies in the fact I believe the O’s will only have about 28 gaves they WIN, and how many of those would be saves? Even if the bullpen blows 25% of those save opportunities, you’re barely to 5 games.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 23, 2008 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with baltimo here..
I agree with the stance of keeping him unless someone overpays. Trading someone who has been so important for this team for some marginal prospects is a waste. I mean, sure he’s not an ideal closer – but he’d be just as solid as a bullpen guy.
by Y Not on Jul 21, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sherrill
I wouldn’t trade Sherrill for marginal prospects either. Frankly, one good prospect and marginal one is a great haul. But I hear want to two high players which is indeed over paying and isn’t going to happen.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 21, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I would be willing to give George Sherrill away.
He is so due for a regression just like almost any other stud reliever ever. (can we even call him a stud reliever?) To me, it’s more important to trade Sherrill than it is to trade Aubrey Huff simply because it would be reasonable to expect pretty good prospects in return for Huff even with that contract and I think GM’s are so much less willing now to part with their top prospects than they were three, four years ago.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jul 23, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense to me
Why would Sherrill be due for a regression?
He’s not a fluke. He’s faced 719 ML hitters in his career, and they’ve hit a collective .213/.307/.331 off of him. And he’s death on lefties.
He’s the best reliever on the Orioles and he’ll be cheap for years, so why would you dump him?
by dkdc on Jul 23, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherrill
He’s not a fluke. He’s faced 719 ML hitters in his career, and they’ve hit a collective .213/.307/.331 off of him. And he’s death on lefties.
His SO/W ratio and WHIP aren’t very good. I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s due for a seriouis regression. I would rather say he’s just not that very good to begin with as a closer. As a LOOGY, he’s awesome.
To me, it’s more important to trade Sherrill than it is to trade Aubrey Huff simply because it would be reasonable to expect pretty good prospects in return for Huff even with that contract
I remembe K-Law said Huff wasn’t very moveable simply because his skills sets are readily available. I don’t know how he ranks among DHs, but I sort of agree with his sentiment. He’s playing well now but he’s been a solid 100ish OPS+ for the last few years now. I imagine he’ll regress back to his recent mean even when considering that he’s typically a better second half hitter. Throw in his contract and you have a guy who isn’t going to be very desireable on the trade market.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 23, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually right now
He is pretty much hitting his career line, except that he is slugging at a much higher percentage. He has proven that he doesn’t wear down as the season goes on, so I’d expect his OBP, AVG and SLG to stay relatively the same. He is actually surprisingly consistent.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/huffau01.shtml
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 23, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
will the real Aubrey Huff please stand up.
He is pretty much hitting his career line,
Yeah, but I tend to weigh recent performance more. Early in his career, Huff was an awesome hitter. He’s clearly regressed to a lower level in recent years. It’s possible he’s turning into the Aubrey Huff of old but I highly doubt it. The Aubrey Huff we’ve seen the last few years is probably the real Aubrey Huff.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only an average closer
But no team looking to acquire him would be using him as a closer.
He’s one of the best left-handed relievers in the game. I’d put only Wagner, Ryan, and Mike
Gonzalez ahead of him.
It’s tremendously valuable in the playoffs if you can neutralize David Ortiz in high-leverage situations, and Sherrill is good enough against righties that he can pitch a full inning at a time.
He’s not that old – relievers routinely remaing productive well into their 30s – he costs almost nothing, and he’s under team control for a long time. I don’t see his value going down any time soon.
by dkdc on Jul 23, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly agree that he’s an average closer. I can see him ruining his trade value further because he puts on way too many guys on base. Consequently, he’s an adventure in the 9th, and I’m worried he’ll go on another 4 out 5 streak of blowing saves. if anything, I think his perceived trade value might be higher than expected value because he’s been a bit lucky in inflating his save total and his All-Star performance. In any case, an average closer and or excellent LOOGY isn’t going to land 2 good prospects despite his price and service time.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 23, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, closers aren't subject to be wildly inconsistent season to season?
See Eric Gagne. Get what you can for him.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jul 23, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagne
I think Gagne’s case proves that pitchers lose some of their ability have catastrophic arm injuries and stop using HGH.
Sure, Sherrill could decline, but I’d rather take that chance than trade him for C prospect that has almost zero chance of ever contributing.
by dkdc on Jul 23, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, what about Guillermo Mota,
Steve Kline, . There was a reason people got on Kenny Williams for giving Scott Linebrink a four year deal. Relievers are short term prospects that you shouldn’t value too much.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jul 23, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH assumes too much
Orioles Hangout has some great insider info, but otherwise many people assume we can get too much for prospects. Then once one guy is mentioned it becomes fact over there. I highly doubt the Red Sox would part with Lowrie, given that SS is their weakest position (and with the success of Pedoria and Ellsbury). Lars Anderson would be more realistic, given that he is block by Youkilis and Ortiz. But even he is a reach, as they could probably get a much better player than Sherill.
by edsachs1 on Jul 21, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Janks may be looking for a backup catcher
Looks like Jorge Posada may be out for the season after surgery on his shoulder. Does this increase the likelihood Hernandez gets traded this season?
So far we know the Marlins are looking for a veteran backstop to help Treanor out, but what does this mean?
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 21, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your not going to get much quality
Out of any team within you division, it might be a way to dump Hernandez but these Red Sox and Yankees rumors won’t amount to anything, and if they do it won’t be for much.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 21, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Yankees get David Ross
Does that mean the Marlins become interested in Hernandez?
You’re right, the likelihood of trading within your division isn’t high, but if there are more teams looking for catchers it makes things more interesting.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 21, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins may be a suitor, but only because we’d bite off most of his contract for nothing in return.
In terms of trading within division, the closest to a blockbuster your gonna get is something like the Javy Lopez to Boston deal, which got us Adam Stern who is posting a robust .221/.254/.303, and Javy is out of baseball.
The only thing going for the Orioles is that the catcher market is terrible as usual, the numbers Ramon is posting actually don’t look that bad in comparison with the other guys out there. I’d consider Miguel Olivo the catch of the class and that is only because of his defense so far. It is pretty obvious that Ramon does not resemble anything of what the O’s want to portray in the future so getting any team to pay just 25% of his contract and give us a throw in would be a win.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 21, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What say you?
So, I was watching the mlbtraderumors chat, and someone mentioned Brandon Wood (3B) and Sean Rodriguez (SS) of the Angels for Sherrill. Needless to say, I got a little excited. If that’s the trade, does MacPhail pull the string? Or does he wait for them to throw someone else in there? Like Stephen Marek, Sean O’Sullivan, or Jordan Walden – Nick Adenhart’s not going to happen?
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 22, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In a second
You more than likely wouldn’t get Wood and Rodriguez in the first place, but Mark, O’Sullivan, Walden and Adenhart are certainly not throw ins. If the Angels were to offer us Wood and Rodriguez that pretty much solidifies the left side of our infield for a while, with Wood being for a good while, and gives us the opportunity to deal Bradford for something more than Billy Hall who would just be a fill in as another SS/3B is developed. I think MacPhail would do that deal immediately as it gives him two guys ready to go at the majors and they’d be able to get some experience before a possible contending year in 2011; if they were to throw in in another extra bonafide prospect like O’Sullivan, I’d be ecstatic. Of course, I am a believer that Sherrill should be a set up man at most, and if he were to continue to stay at closer not only would his ERA balloon but he would blow a ton more saves.
saves.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 22, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a chance this happens
i’ll eat my hat if the Angels trade Wood AND Rodriguez for Flat Breezy.
Your voice of doom and gloom.
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Jul 24, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Rauch trade
Rauch for traded to the D-Backs for Emilio Bonifacio. Emilio Bonifacio was rated as a C+ prospect by Sickets before the season. He’s have a decent season at AAA this year as a 23 old 2B (.735 OPS). Again, Sherrill isn’t going anymore. If Rauch, who’s a damn good reliever but not as cheap as Sherrill, can only land Emilio Bonifacio, I don’t see the O’s doing much better.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 22, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bonifacio is pretty damn solid
I would take him in a second and then dish Roberts without thinking twice, but your right in that Rauch didn’t net that much as the Nats got one guy who is blocked behind Hudson and gave up a 30 year old guy who is posting better numbers than Sherrill.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 22, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is shaping out to be a pretty quiet trade deadline for the O's
Roberts is unlikely to be traded as MacPhail is pretty much asking for a package of the same quality as the Bedard haul, Sherrill is only really being pursued by the Cards and they have voiced many times they aren’t ready to part with Rasmus, and Huff isn’t going anywhere.
Andy isn’t going to be cut short at any costs, but this is a very risky move as it is general consensus that the value of Roberts + Sherrill go down by the winter. Roberts is a year older and a year closer to free agency, while Sherrill is likely to come back down to earch and not net nearly as much as what is floating around right now. A ton of teams have inquired about these players but MacPhail is asking each and every team to pay dearly, and as we can tell a lot of the contenders are just getting guys who are worse, but cheaper and get the job done.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 22, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of the 3...
I’m probably the most surprised that Huff isn’t generating interest. A solid hitter this year, lefty power bat, and can play both corner IF positions, a reasonable conract (after the O’s eat some of it) and no one’s takingh a sniff?
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 23, 2008 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing most teams look at him as a DH
Which severely limits his appeal.
by dkdc on Jul 23, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While this is true
He’s certainly not a butcher in the field. He’s made some reasonable plays at third and a couple at first. He’s absolutely not as bad as Adam Dunn or Travis Hafner.
Why am I trying to sell him here? We all want him gone and to get the best value for him returned.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 23, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about WANTING him gone...
but certainly if he’s to be traded, and most agree that he should be, now is the time to deal him. It would be great if he keeps us this pace (and he is historically a 2nd half hitter), and maybe, just maybe, we can get something more for him in December.
But it seems to me, with 20 teams still in the playoff hunt, that if no one is biting on a left power hitter who can play a corner infield spot in July, they certainly won’t be lined up at the door to acquire him in December.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 23, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The asking price
would be almost as high as Roberts for a guy who doesn’t really work out for many teams. He is posting .285/.350/.524 with 19 homers and 61 RBI’s and is locked up for another year, that would require a haul. Roberts is quicker on the bases but is known to decline in the 2nd half while Huff is known to get much hotter, further upping his value. Most teams are pretty well aware that if they were to pursue Huff that MacPhail would ask for a package only slightly worse than that he demands for Roberts. I think. Also Huff tried out the NL with Houston and it didn’t work out so National League teams aren’t drooling over him; couple that with the fact that not many teams need a 3B and it is slim picking.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 23, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see Andy asking near as much for Huff and B-Rob
Relative to their positions, Roberts is clearly better than Huff. Huff’s got a good thing going right now, but B-Rob is probably the 2nd best 2B in the AL right now. Huff’s in the upper 3rd of DHs. I can’t see Andy overestimating the worth of his own players – he just doesn’t do things publicly or quickly. And I’m OK with that.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 23, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upper third
Is still top four. Let’s say Huff is at three behind Ortiz and Matsui and in a virtual tie with Milton Bradley for third. Bradley is posting slightly better numbers, with a higher OBP, but he is in a hitters ball park with a ton of guys around him for protection and I’d take Huff’s second half plus career numbers. Brian is at two, in part for his defense, and Huff is at three. Although I do agree that Huff should and will rack in a smaller package than Roberts, that isn’t exactly why. Huff is just a year older than Brian, has always put up great numbers, is a second half hitter and has proven that he can handle third effectively. Although the package would be a bit lower I still think that the asking price would be very damn high. Saying that the price will be lower than the deal for Brob isn’t saying much because MacPhail is asking for an entire minor league system.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 23, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How are more people not talking about
Travis Hafner’s career going down the toilet?
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jul 23, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's past the toilet....
and heading for the wastewater plant at this point….
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 23, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
what happened to that guy?
"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail
by Stacey on Jul 23, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cough, steroids, cough
Your voice of doom and gloom.
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Jul 24, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bedard and Tejada trades were easy decisions. Now the O’s have some tough ones to make. Will Carrol and Jayson Stark have said that the O’s are inclined to stay put because .500 is a possibility.
Compare that to this recent MacPhail quote
“Your ultimate goal has to be to build a team that is capable of getting into the postseason in the AL East,” MacPhail said. “You have to make sure one doesn’t come at the expense of the other. There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason.”
Which is the priority? I believe that MacPhail is under some pressure to get a winning season. And yes, I believe the pressure is coming from Angelos, who wants to consecutive losing seasons monkey off his back. (No need to tell me MacPhail is in complete command. If you believe that, we’re just not going to agree.) Adding to this pressure is the fact that the O’s supposed pitching depth that we’ve heard about for the past several years has been a bunch of baloney. Perhaps MacPhail realizes that putting together a competitive team is farther off than he had hoped now that the O’s pitching has flopped. However, since they are flirting with .500, he may as well let it ride and see if he can placate the boss and some fans (what kind of fans I’m not sure) with a .500 season.
I guess we’re likely to see more or less the same team through September. That means no major moves, and we’ll have to wait for the off season to see if MacPhail was giving us the straight dope about the “ultimate goal”.
by drj on Jul 23, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless there’s a losing streak, I’d have to agree with you on this.
Sadly, I’m hoping for a losing streak. I want this team to continue getting younger, to trade off these veterans. Markakis, Jones, Scott, and Roberts aren’t enough and there isn’t much outside of Wieters on the farm save pitching. Restocking is going to have to happen sooner or later. I’m just hoping for a quick resolution now.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 23, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'll see trading this winter
Another point of view is, let the vets finish out the season strong. It drives up their trade value. If RZA can put up decent power numbers, if MelMo finds his stroke, if Huff continues on his current pace, we can get actual, live baseball players for them. Maybe not good ones, but still better than a straight salary dump.
I’m not saying I agree with this approach, especially with Sherrill. But it could be the tactic Andy is choosing.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 24, 2008 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows?
Maybe he’s just waiting for someone else to hire Bavasi.
by Brotz13 on Jul 24, 2008 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guessing along these lines
If Sherrill can maintain his current pace the rest of the season, he might be a decent trading chip in the winter. He and Roberts would be the two players with value.
Two high prospects for a relief pitcher, even if he is relatively cheap and under contract for a couple more years, just doesn’t seem likely. Just hope Sherrill stays consistent the rest of the year. At least he’ll prove he has some durability. Also, Roberts will only have a year left under contract after this season ends. That doesn’t provide leverage in trade talks. Roberts could be dealt for a decent prospect, and maybe some younger guys still deep in a system, but with an upside. I think it is more likely we’ll hear about extension talks.
by drj on Jul 24, 2008 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 reasonable prospect
preferably middle IF, would be adequate for Sherrill, I think. Let’s face it, Jim Johnson and to a lesser degree Chris Ray can do the job, too.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 24, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
I think it’s a little harder to trade the vets because most of them are under contract for 2009. Teams making deadline acquisitions might want immediate help that won’t affect their long term plans.
Hernandez, Huff, Roberts, Mora, Walker, Baez, and Bradford are all free agents after the 2009 season, so they are all a more natural fit to be traded at the 2009 deadline.
by dkdc on Jul 24, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can wait till winter
I don’t mind holding on to Sherril until the offseason if we aren’t blown away by any offers. I don’t think he’s due for much of a regression (I also don’t think he’s been all that impressive), and while his performance in the Allstar game certainly helps his trade value, at the end of the season he’s gonna have 40-45 saves, and will then be a “proven” closer. He will still have 3 cost controlled seasons. We aren’t blowing it by not getting rid of him right now.
Huff, I would trade immediately, because I imagine him returning to his career norms pretty soon, and even if he doesn’t…so what.
Ramon and Mora I can’t imagine us getting a thing for.
I think we are really only going to see minor moves, maybe chad brad and jamie walker.
by ItsBenFeldman on Jul 24, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Update 07/24/08
- After one major and one semi major trade, the Brewers have decided they don´t want Sherrill.
“Certain positions are hard to find, and shortstop is one of them,” said Melvin. “We’ve got a good one in the big leagues and a good, young one in the minor leagues. Unless (the Orioles) change their mind, I don’t see anything happening.”
Change your mind, Orioles, take anyone not named Salome from Huntsville. I am one of the many who thinks Sherrill will lose value, not neccessarily regress, but lose value. He will not get as many saves in the second half, he will not play in an all star game in the second half, he will be a year older, and he will be a year closer to free agency.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 24, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
patience...
there are 28 other teams for the Orioles to choose from. Milwaukee may feel they’ve auctioned off enough prospects and we may have better luck with the Cardinals. Also, Gibbons is now from Huntsville. If we trade Sherrill for Jay Gibbons I will personally punch Andy McPhail in the face.
Salome wouldn’t be so bad, he’s supposed to be a pretty good catcher. We could turn around and trade him to someone else. Good catchers are hard to find.
by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
L.A. will cave
you watch – Sherrill’s a Dodger by the end of next week.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 24, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about the Dodgers
If we get that LaRoche-Hu package people were dreaming of I will write a song about Andy McPhail
by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if
We had to give Roberts and Sherill for LaRoach-Hu (and maybe another arm). Would you take that?
I would
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 24, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
Roberts and Sherill are worth more then two young major leaguers and a prospect arm. I’d suggest Kershaw, LaRoche, and a Single-A guy for Roberts and Sherill. Seriously. Sherill is likely to get this team LaRoche and a Single-A reliever or something, I think.
Also, I don’t believe that the Dodgers are looking for another lead off man. They have Pierre and Furcal, when healthy, as it is. Sure Furcal is a free agent at the end of the season, but Pierre isn’t terrible. He might not get on base as much as you’d want, but the dude has wheels and when he gets on, he’s already stolen a base or two. They do, however, need a new second baseman as Kent is ready to retire, but that’s what, I thought, Abreu was supposed to be prepped for.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 24, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche's value hasn't fallen too much
He has been hurt due to an injury that was not something that is recurring (hit by a pitch), which led to the drop in his power numbers. But before the year LaRoche was a high level prospect. Sherill and Roberts are not worth as much as we think/wish. I feel like Roberts is undervalued by the rest of the league.
They actually planned on trying LaRoche or DeWitt at 2b, and Roberts gets enough power that he isn’t confined to the lead-off position. High OBP and lots of doubles can work in the 2 slot as well. The Dodger’s like vet’s which is why I thought Roberts would appeal. Hu’s value has fallen a lot though now that I look at it (he reports blurred vision) so maybe that would mean some extra quality (Ivan DeJesus and another arm maybe?).
And Kershaw isn’t going anywhere though.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 25, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts and Sherill are worth more then two young major leaguers and a prospect arm. I’d suggest Kershaw, LaRoche, and a Single-A guy for Roberts and Sherill. Seriously. Sherill is likely to get this team LaRoche and a Single-A reliever or something, I think.
Nobody is going to give up an LaRoche or Kershaw type prospect for either Roberts or Sherrill or even together. A prospect of Hu’s caliber is much more realistic. I think Hu has some sort of eye problem which may prevent from staying at SS. Otherwise, he’s exactly the type of prospect the O’s should trade Sherrill for straight up.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 25, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers
Make it sound as though LaRoche just may be available since they lack the patience to give him AB’s and think they have their 3B with DeWitt. But they won’t give him away.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 25, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche
may very well be available, but he’s not going to be traded for a reliever and certainly not a reliever of Snerrill’s caliber.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 25, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
snerrill!
i like that!
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 25, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely accidental
Not surprising though since I’m the sloppiest writer on this blog by far.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 25, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hagers has you beaten by several trillion miles in that dept.
by PhilR8 on Jul 28, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to think
I’m in the top 5 for sloppiness….
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 29, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Roberts may very well be worth LaRoche-Hu by himself
I mean, neither one of those guys is Adam Jones, and I don’t think a Bedard Package is unreasonable for Roberts. He’s that good.
by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fall
After today’s “inspiring” games, I’m likely to punctuate the point that MacPhail should be making some necessary moves very soon to continue the rebuilding process this team was hoping for before they stated playing well. Three in a row to a team that already declared themselves “cellars” is a signal.
I agree somewhat with your premise that we should be going after guys in the Brewers system, but would like to point out that J.J. Hardy is beginning to look like a bust. So, it makes sense for them to want to keep Escobar. But what about Gamel? Cole Gillespie? There are some guys on that team that are just not worth a flier and others who would make a lot of sense. (I recognize that passion drove the exaggerated nature of your comment)
I’m going to, again, bring up the NL West. The Diamondbacks just made a move for Rauch. The ball is now in the Dodgers’ court. It would make the most sense for them to become involved. Especially since they’ve, presumably, been showing LaRoche off by allowing for more playing time. This is, of course, not to mention the Diamondbacks’ plethora of prospects and need to replenish their relief staff.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
you think j.j. hardy of the 26 homers (100 OPS+) in 2007 and 14 homers and (121 OPS+) is looking like a bust? can the o’s get some busts like that?
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fault
I was thinking of Rickie Weeks as the bust.
But Melvin’s comments suggest he wants to keep both of Hardy and Escobar, perhaps moving one to second after trading Weeks. Who knows?
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 24, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t have to worry above Hardy or Escobar anymore because the Brewers said “Unless (the Orioles) change their mind, I don’t see anything happening." I just think it is too much of a risk to hold onto Sherrill until the winter, if that is what is planned, and go for a lower tier prospect over one of the many sluggers at Huntsville. We have a gap to fill at every position sans CF, RF, and C so why not replace Mora and Millar now when the opportunity arises.
I’d agree that LaRoche would be a major pick up, but for some reason a lot of people think that us O’s fans see the forthcoming demise of Sherrill, but somehow all the GM’s in baseball are missing it and could give us a blockbuster deal of Hu + LaRoche, or Rasmus from the Cards. Every GM in baseball is well aware of his tendancy to allow runners and his inflated ERA, he is still one of the most solid left handed relievers not including closers, however. He has pretty much always been an above average pitcher, and a lot of bullepens could use him as a southpaw with a strikeout pitch coming out to set up. I consider Rauch equal to or better than Sherrill, but he only brought in Bonaficio, who is solid but certainly not nearly what the O’s hope to get for Sherrill. Rasmus is off limits, as are Hardy and Escobar. The best prospects that are being talked about have been explicitly ruled out by their own GM’s, yet people still somehow think that we can sell Sherrill for two A’s and a B type because GM’s obviously are unaware of his tendancy to let guys on and are just in awe of his save total and all star game apperance.
I just want to trade guys like Roberts, Sherrill and Huff because they are not going to be contributors when we are contending. We aren’t going to be in contention next year, and 2010 would even be a bit of a stretch. If we are really going to be in the hunt starting from 2011 and lasting three to five years, you cannot expect a 33-36 year old Roberts being nearly as effective as a 27-30 year old Laroche, even if Laroche is only slightly better than the league average. I believe that the same holds true for Huff and Sherrill. That is pretty much my reasoning as to why you trade these guys and don’t resign them, I really could care less how they perform and how much they want to be on this team when the franchise is going nowhere. I can’t see this team making a serious push to post season play with all circumstances considered until 2011 when these guys are going to be in their mid 30’s where a league average would be considered a major success.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 25, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about which player will be better for us in five years
It’s about trying to get the best trades possible. Guys like Roberts will be tradeable over the winter and next summer. No sense in selling for less then we think he’s worth. We have two more chances to sell, and two first round picks to get if we fail to sell him 3 times.
by math_geek on Jul 25, 2008 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies wanted Guthrie
They offered Clint Barnes for him. That had to be some sort of joke. Hopefully MacPhail laughed and immediately hung up the phone.
by UMterp08 on Jul 25, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard
I’d shudder to think what an actual Jeremy Guthrie trade would have to look like.
by math_geek on Jul 25, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to post about this
Put down the crack pipe, Dan O’Dowd. Barmes has a .638 OPS on the road this year, and an overall career number of .702. Guthrie is under team control for how many years? MacPhail should have called him back and offered Melvin Mora for Holliday and Fuentes and said, “There, now how does it feel to have your time wasted?”.
Danny Knobler of CBS Sports reported that the Marlins may have interest in Razor. fingers crossed
by Brotz13 on Jul 25, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i saw that, too...
i also keep hearing about this multi-party kenny williams heist of brian roberts, but have seen no indication of what the o’s would get back.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 25, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Years?
That would be 4. AFTER this year.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 29, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read about another Guthrie trade suggestion
It started with Rasmus. I thought, “that would be an incredible outfield…who else?”
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 25, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure we'd basically have to adopt a second triple A team to hold all the prospects
MacPhail would demand for Guthrie.
Guthrie’s not going anywhere.
by math_geek on Jul 25, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or just get rid of some of the crap at our AAA team
Bowie’s got the talent, not Norfolk.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 25, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could land Rasmus
I would think that we might have to take that trade. You dont get the chance to acquire guys like that very often, but the Cardinals wont be trading him.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 25, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Update 07/25/08
I don´t have much time today so I just scrolled through mlbtraderumors and this is what I came up with.
-Concerning Sherril:
``The Mets would love to be in the sweepstakes, but they fear the price will be too high. The Yankees would love it too, but they don’t think Baltimore will deal him within the division. It seems likely that he’ll be moved, since somebody will probably come up with a blow-away offer. If that happens, that Bedard trade is the gift that keeps on giving.``
I might agree if the apparent asking price was just ridiculous and not insane, but MacPhail is asking for a price that may be so high that teams really might just say no thank you. It doesn´t look like he is going to back down, either.
-Melvin in Milwaukee:
“Maybe in September we’ll look to add a veteran guy. But I don’t anticipate making a trade for somebody who’s not much better than what we have. As long as our starting pitching continues to pitch well, I like our bullpen.”`
Burn. JSonline is one of the most reliable blogs and Haudricourt thinks that the Brewers aren´t going to trade with us as we want a shortstop. I still think we need to take what is available at Huntsville.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 25, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte were traded to the Yankees
Soon we’ll see what a lefty reliever with closer experience is worth…minus Nady, who’s hitting remarkably well.
The thing about Sherril is that he isn’t a rental. Marte’s a free agent at the end of the season. Sherrill is under control for another two years, and thus should be worth a bit more. After all, Marte hasn’t been that great.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 25, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mlbtraderumors says...
The Pirates get Jose Tabata (OF), Ross Ohlendorf (RHP), and two other minor leaguers from the Yankees. The other two are rumored to be Phil Coke (LHP) and George Kontos (RHP).
Tabata was #3 and Ohlendorf #9 on Baseball America’s 2008 Prospect Preview List.
This is pretty decent. It would make sense for Ohlendorf and Tabata to be the return on Nady and Coke and Kontos on Marte…or something. There it is though.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 25, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
And it seems pretty fair. Tabata has dropped a lot in value this year, and none of the other arms are amazing (Kontos is pretty good), but it seems like both sides did pretty well to me.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 25, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All quiet on the O's front
Steve Melewski MASN Blog
Andy MacPhail SaysI had a chance to interview Andy MacPhail today here at Camden Yards on the Orioles Insider Roundtable. You can hear today’s entire show in our Media Lounge. [link]
While MacPhail characterizes the O’s as “sellers” not buyers, he doesn’t seem to indicate the O’s will be making too many deals.
“Based on the level where we are, I’d be suprised if we were involved in a lot of activity between now and Thursday. Of course, that can change overnight, but I think that’s unlikely.”
He indicated the O’s could be more involved leading up to the August 31st deadline as players pass waivers. He expects 1/4 to 1/3 of all Major Leaguers to clear waivers. He said “I don’t see lack of activity as a bad thing, there are always teams looking for you to make a stupid deal.”
I don’t know if MacPhail is blowing smoke. I wonder if they even tried to pull together a package for LaRoche. The players who will clear waivers aren’t going to be the types who will bring a good return. The second half boredom continues.
Oh, that link also has the DD “cigar” press conference. I also like his previous rant about the starting pitching. Maybe it’s getting to him and this is his way of blowing off steam. I still like someone telling the truth instead of the past decade of BS doublespeak. This kind of candor helped get Leo Mazzone fired.
by drj on Jul 28, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't sound like smoke to me
MacPhail used vaguely similar language to quash the Roberts-to-the-Cubs rumors for good:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3314035
“I’ve mentioned to Brian that I think it’s unlikely that something happens,” said MacPhail, the Baltimore Orioles president of baseball operations.“I think with each passing hour, at this point, it’s less and less likely. ... The further we get this close into (the regular season), the greater likelihood that we’re going to start with what we have,” MacPhail said.
I’d really like to see MacPhail cash in some players when their value is peaking, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.
Sherrill and Roberts are the only two players that could bring serious young talent in return, and neither one will clear waivers. The best we can hope for in August is a salary dump or two.
by dkdc on Jul 28, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well
The most we can hope for now is that Sherrill, Brob, Bradford and Huff maintain the level of play they are at now and get back a good amount in the off season. I just hope that this winter if MacPhail is going to plan on shipping most of them out that he considers sending them in packages to insure a huge haul in return.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 28, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling teams are trying to low-ball us
because they think we have no choice but to trade off our good players. In fact, I’m almost positive this is what is happening.
In that case, fuck em.
by Y Not on Jul 30, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teixeira
Rather than start a new post, I’ll just share this article here: Teixeira might go to Arizona.
by blawk359 on Jul 29, 2008 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LAA instead
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 29, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Dashed the hopes for the O’s as LA has enough money to sign him to an extension.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Garland, K-Rod and Tex are coming off the books this summer. And Lackey will be in his last year, so they may not give him the $23 million a year he is looking for.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 30, 2008 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garland won't demand that blockbuster
deal, and K-Rod is asking too much money for the Angels liking, he will not resign. Lackey should bring in a pretty big pay check, but that is a year away and you can’t predict what will happen during the course of a season (injuries, trades, agent changes).
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 30, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Contending teams almost always have a hard hitting 1B, and with Casey gone the Angels don’t have much of a choice.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 30, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects
The Angels have a couple of pretty decent 1B prospect options. That will make Tex a little more expendable.
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 30, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
However, a Mark Teixiera is what you dream that your best prospect almost turns out to be, and the Angels have him sitting in their lap. Not to mention he isn’t 30 yet.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 30, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pudge to MFY
For Kyle Farnsworth. Apparently pudge might just be a type A free agent at the end of the year as well.
How many old/overpriced vets can you fit on one team?
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 30, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven't the Yankees gotten all of them?
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 30, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potter's not selling, he's buying!

Potter isn’t selling. Potter’s buying! And why? Because we’re panicky and he’s not. That’s why. He’s picking up some bargains. Now, we can get through this thing all right. We’ve got to stick together, though. We’ve got to have faith in each other….
It’s nice to be on Potter’s team this time.


"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 30, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
potter and angelos
Maybe that’s PGA’s father, if PGA in fact has a father…
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Jul 30, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, in fact he does

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 30, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
You are on Potter’s team because they really don’t have much to sell – and that’s not a good thing. The prime chips are a set up man you are trying to pump up as a difference maker closer, and a 2B the owner won’t allow the FO to trade anyhow. The other guys are middling career players, some having an up year, but with long term contracts that are viewed as albatrosses. It all adds up to pretty much no action at the trading deadline, not wise decisions by the front office.
by drj on Jul 30, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we're not panicking
and making BAD trades or pickups, which for this team is a yearly ritual. We’re doing better by doing nothing. Usually, we’re taking active steps BACKWARDS.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 30, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orioles super close to a trade!!!!
-Brain Roberts is 100% not available.
“If the Twins trade for a second baseman to replace the injured Alexi Casilla, it won’t be Baltimore’s Brian Roberts, according to a person familiar with the situation.
The Twins talked to the Orioles about Roberts last winter, but this month, the O’s have told teams he’s not available.”
-George Sherrill is staying home, too.
“It’s starting to look like the Orioles will hang on to George Sherrill, reducing the closer market further. They were hoping to get a starting shortstop for Sherrill, such as Milwaukee’s terrific prospect Alcides Escobar or Anaheim’s Erick Aybar.”
I’ll give MacPhail until this offseason, then I will start to turn on him if he doesn’t start moving people.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 30, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He will this winter
We were crying and moaning and tearing our hair out over Bedard, and he (eventually) landed a deal that will help this team for years to come. Now, if on Opening Day next year we haven’t made any deals, THEN I’ll panic.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 30, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not his fault if people are offering garbage to get these guys though
by Y Not on Jul 30, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not his fault if people are offering garbage to get these guys though
I was going to say the same thing, but at the same time, MacPhail is overvaluing his guys.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 30, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winter always brings more value than summer
Winter deals always bring more returns. I’m OK with him waiting. He’s got a much better idea of what he can get for our best trading options than we do.
And if that sounds like blind faith, well, then, cue up “Can’t Find My Way Home” now.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 30, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess all our assessments are really subjective - we don't know what's going on.
But if he’s overvaluing Huff, for example, I’d rather keep him and eventually let him walk… grab a supplemental pick at that point.
We’re Orioles fans. We’re all sick of trades for crap prospects.
by Y Not on Jul 31, 2008 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I meant
I will give him until the END of this off season, then I will not be able to come up with any more justifications.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 30, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to bring up
I don’t get why people have this infatuation with Tex over Adam Dunn, is it because he is from Maryland? Considering that the Orioles still won’t reallllly have a legit power threat going into next year, if the FO thinks the team can contend why not go after Dunn and put him at DH instead of Tex, it will probably cost you less. The only thing that Tex has over Dunn is that he is a better 1B, granted which we need, but I would rather pay less money to Dunn and get a big time slugger with a little extra money to spare than spend every penny we have on Dunn. If they are going to keep Huff then you can put him at first and still not have many problems; Tex does have a higher BA than Dunn but when comparing the OBP that is meaningless except for the fact that having a higher batting average usually extends innings.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get why people have this infatuation with Tex over Adam Dunn, is it because he is from Maryland?
As you mention, it’s because Teix is a GG while Dunn has stone hands. Plus, there are make up questions associated with Dunn while Teix is a boy scout.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 31, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makeup questions?
Is this the whole “how much does he even like baseball” thing that Ricciardi was batting about? Or does he like the booze, or something else I haven’t heard of?
by Brotz13 on Jul 31, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whiskey, raw whores and ladies underwear.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 31, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it is JP
But I’ve heard other columnists confirm that JP’s sentiments are widely held. JP is the only GM stupid enough to say it for public record.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 31, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll buy that he loved football more
But that doesn’t stop him from having a near .400 OBP with 40 homers every year.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 31, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never questioned his bat
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 31, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appparently
A trade involving Jason Bay and Reid Brignac has been verbally agreed to.
“With the three-way deal between the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins falling through, an MLB.com source says that the Rays are going to acquire right-handed hitting outfielder Jason Bay for Minor League prospects including shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann. The Rays have not confirmed the deal.”
This is far from being confirmed, but a ton of sites are pretty much saying this deal is done with the last few kinks being worked out. Don’t the Rays want another stint with Aubrey Huff?????
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 31, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t the Rays want another stint with Aubrey Huff?????
As much as Justin Timberlake wants another stint with Britney Spears.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jul 31, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...they wanted him?
Britney and JT are in love!
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 31, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay = RH, Aubrey Huff = LF
and there lies the difference.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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