Roch Leaving The Sun? UPDATE: Maybe not...
Roch Kubatko is apparently leaving The Sun, with no details available yet and no confirmation from neither Roch nor The Sun. However, Tony from the Hangout did "confirm" it in the message boards by saying:
Yes, Roch is leaving the Sun. I'm sure he'll land on his feet in no time.
This, of course, opens up speculation on a MASN gig, whether or not he keeps blogging, etc., etc. Very interesting stuff indeed.
UPDATE BY DUCK:
Roch finally addressed the topic on his blog today, as an afterthought. Here's the comment:
And finally, I keep hearing rumors that I’m leaving The Sun – but not until the Orioles win on a Sunday.
We’ll talk more about this later. I promise. But rest assured that, even if I do leave the paper one of these days, you haven't seen the last of me. If I have to, I'll go door-to-door and blog for you personally.
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Educated guess here
The Sun is one of the Tribune Co.’s papers that have been told to cut staff. Most have offered early buyouts to get to the number, as did The Sun. Whatever shortfall was left meant layoffs. So I’m guessing either Roch saw the writing on the wall as the #2 man (at best) on the O’s beat and took the buyout, or he’s being pushed out in a numbers crunch.
From Editor & Pubilsher, THE paper of record concerning journalism…
BALTIMORE – Employees of The Sun in Baltimore are bracing for layoffs Friday (June 18), and they say management hasn’t been forthcoming about how many people will lose their jobs or how the layoffs will be handled.The Baltimore-Washington Newspaper Guild, which represents newsroom employees at The Sun, organized a protest today outside the newspaper’s downtown Baltimore offices. Staffers lined up behind 100 black folding chairs representing the 100 jobs that will be lost in the latest round of cuts ordered by Tribune Co., which owns The Sun.
Sixty of the cuts will be in the newsroom. Union leaders say about 34 Guild-represented employees have applied for buyouts, meaning up to 26 could be laid off. But they say they didn’t get a firm number in a meeting with management this morning. They also don’t know whether people who get laid off will be forced to leave the office Friday.
A spokeswoman for The Sun did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 20, 2008 10:19 PM EDT 0 recs
One editing note....
I added a question mark to the title since we don’t KNOW if he’s leaving.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 20, 2008 10:20 PM EDT 0 recs
It's that pesky Journalism degree I have
Glad you didn’t mind….
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 20, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
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More background from the Examiner.com
The Sun, which along with 10 other dailies and 23 broadcasting stations is owned by Chicago-based Tribune Co., announced a 100-person — 60 in the newsroom — buyout plan two weeks ago. It specified one week of pay for every six months of service with comparable continuing health insurance coverage, but interested parties had only 12 days to declare.The offer — the second this year — was open to all 1,400 employees of the Baltimore Sun Media Group’s one daily and 21 weekly newspapers, but the lion’s share was expected to come from the Sun’s 300-person newsroom.
That didn’t happen.
"I’m actually surprised that The Sun was able to garner that many buyouts," White said. "I think it shows just how many people have become disillusioned with Tribune Co.’s tactics."
The Sun cutbacks are consistent with downsizings throughout Tribune Co.’s holdings, where first-quarter 2008 profits from its publishing operations were down 74 percent year-over-year.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 20, 2008 10:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Most likely a buyout
2 of the 3 reporters cut too the buyout voluntarily, according to The Examiner.com
The 11 editorial positions — four editorial assistants; four interns; and three reporters, two of whom had volunteered to be laid off — constitute the total newsroom layoffs.
Two inside and three classified advertising positions comprise Guild members laid off in advertising.
"This is a sad day," reacted Tanika White, the union’s unit co-chairwoman at The Sun. "Even though only nine members are leaving involuntarily," there are still 55 [newsroom] people who are leaving, and untold others in other departments. That means fewer people to do the kind of work that this community has come to expect from the Baltimore Sun."
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jul 20, 2008 10:34 PM EDT 0 recs
^ Blockquote should include ALL of the last 3 paragraphs
Don’t know why the formatting didn’t work right.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 20, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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One of the reporters who volunteered
was apparently Doug Donovan, the one who’s digging up all the stuff about the mayor. From The Examiner, again:
One of the two employees who agreed to a voluntary layoff was investigative reporter Doug Donovan, who broke the story of Mayor Sheila Dixon’s questionable spending practices during her time as City Council president. The state prosecutor’s office is investigating Dixon for bribery and perjury, and agents raided her home last month.“I’m pretty sure that I saved at least somebody’s job with my leaving, so that’s good,” Donovan said.
That leaves one reporter who left voluntarily and one who got cut. Roch is apparently one of those two.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 20, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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So The Sun...
..a newspaper already operating with a skeleton crew, is cutting more staff, going along with the Trib’s strangulation strategy for the newspaper business? I wish I could feel bad about this, but it’s simply impossible to given the product they’re putting out. With a prime example of that product being Roch.
by Jonny Pops on Jul 20, 2008 11:50 PM EDT 0 recs
Does anyboy know
when these layoffs/buyouts are supposed to take place?
by dan the man on Jul 21, 2008 12:45 AM EDT 0 recs
If you take the buyout...
you leave by Aug 1. If you got laid off, it’s supposed to be immediate. That’s why I’m guessing Roch took the buyout, since he was still working this weekend.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 21, 2008 7:44 AM EDT
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Roch
I,d bet he lands on his feet somewhere,hopefully w/Masn.
by hagers on Jul 21, 2008 8:06 AM EDT 0 recs
Roch may be one of the lucky ones
At least it seems he can land in his feet somewhat on his own terms. I guess he’s seen enough of Sam Zell and company. The newspaper industry is on tough times, but Zell’s dumbing down, slash and burn, approach doesn’t provide any hope. I never understood how Zell was allowed to “buy” Tribune with the employee stock ownership plan money, which is what he used to finance over 90% of the purchase.
by drj on Jul 21, 2008 8:37 AM EDT 0 recs
I mean...
...you would think, these guys at the Trib would be transitioning to being an online business as if their lives depend on it – which, at least career-wise, they do. It’s not the answer to all their problems for sure. The NY Times is actually doing a pretty decent job with the transition at this point and they’re still losing plenty of money. But at least there’s some hope there – and a product interesting and innovative enough that it’s worth checking out. The Sun these days looks the fucking Howard County Times/Columbia Flier did when I was growing up. It’s a sad shell of a formerly not-so-great paper. And when an opportunity arose to embrace a new medium and give the paper a makeover they added a drop down menu under the heading “BLOGS” way down the frontpage and allowed dudes like Roch to write for them – although to be fair some of their other bloggers are decent, and even good sometimes, but the overall strategy does not embrace the medium at all. How is it that a twenty-something from western Michigan like SC can have a more innovative communication device at his disposal than two storied press organizations like The Sun and The Trib? Makes you wonder.
by Jonny Pops on
Jul 21, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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Actually....
The Sun is a sad shell of a once really great paper—I am talking way back. The (morning) Sun was considered one of the handful of really great papers in the country. Even when I was a kid, they had more of their own foreign bureaus than any other paper except the NY Times (& maybe the Wash. Post).
Sad thing is, for all the pressures of new media, mostly newspapers are still profitable—but the corporate owners want MORE profits, so they cut, dumb down, drive readers away and then feel they need to cut again. Back in the day, when the Sun was locally owned, management tended to see the paper both as a business and a community service. Back then the News-Post, our low-class rag, was probably a better paper than the Sun is now.
"Killing a Yankee fan -- is that illegal in this state?" -- Homicide Life on the Street
by BirdFanLA on
Jul 21, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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I believe you...
...about it being good back in the day. Unfortunately in my lifetime it’s been little more than an object of local contempt and a glaring symbol of the decline of the city.
I also couldn’t agree more about local ownership. Eli Broad, David Geffen and several other rich guys have discussed buying the LA Times, as I’m sure you’re aware, to bring the paper back into the realm of a public service for the city. I wish someone not named Peter Angelos would actually do so for The Sun.
by Jonny Pops on
Jul 21, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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Laste '70s, even early to mid 80s
The Sun’s foreign bureaus were unparralelled for a paper not in DC or NY. They and the Plain-Dealer in Cleveland were the top of the 2nd tier below the NYT and WaPo, ahead of even LA Times and Philly.
How the mighty have fallen…
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 21, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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Roch may be LEAVING?!? Oh my stars and...and...z-z-z-z, z-z-z-z-z-z...
In other news (or actual news), the seemingly endless Tigers series is finally over and tonight it’s The Battle for the Cellar against the Toronto, um, somethings, oh yeah, Blue Jays. Didn’t we just play THEM in an endless series too?
Anyway, with Liz going for us, I’m confident that when the evening is over we will have risen Phoenix-like from the ashes of the cellar (if cellars have ashes). As long as we get 11 runs or something again. Piece o’ cake.
Meanwhile, at 7:05 on another channel the Yerks will be battling the Twins Without the Baggy Behind Them—not a very formidable opponent, the more so given that starting for the Greatest Franchise in the History of Porfessional Sports is you know who (if he’s sober enough to get to the mound) in another installment of Stoly Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sid.
If he gets, er, lit up and ruins the Yerks 7 game home winning streak, Sid may find himself in AA really soon—either the program or Binghampton. Maybe both would be the best idea.
Go O’s!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jul 21, 2008 10:16 AM EDT 0 recs
Maybe when he goes he can take Manfra with him!
Titov, I thought of you often as I listened to the Manfra free broadcasts this weekend. Not that Dave Johnson is a prize, by a long shot, but at least he understands who is playing and their names.
Now yesterday, while a hugely disappointing game to listen to as Verlander mowed us down…the chap that was on with the great Joe A was entertaining and knowledgable…something Mr Fatso is neither of!!!
There's no crying in baseball
by elktonfan on
Jul 21, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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I've campaigned for years to have Ferd named the Voice of the Bowie Baysox-- but Binghampton works too!
And what does the Manfra-free weekend mean? Is he injured? Nothing trivial, I hope!
I don’t think the current high-tech generation has much idea how important radio baseball was for us growing up—or how disappointing it is, by extension, to people our age to see a team’s “flagship station” reduced from WBAL and/or WTOP to a 50-watt FM outlet in Eastern Shore or something, and with games covered not by John Miller (the greatest, especially when complemented by Joe A.) but by the insufferable and terminally disoriented Ferd.
It’s impossible to judge how many lifetime, ticket-buying fans Petey cost himself by firing Miller—but then, he doesn’t really care about stuff like “fan base” and “the community”, so it’s pointless to feign amazement when he points the shotgun right at his own foot and blasts away. It’s just so damned annoying that he hits our feet too.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on
Jul 21, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
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Dude, I used to live in Binghamton
and the good folks up there deserve better than Sid! (Plus it’s a Mets farm)
You won't see a worse play than the one you just saw from the Yankee captain... 3DG 5/27/08
by 33 on Jul 21, 2008 2:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Whoops, you're right: The Yerks' AA is the Trenton Thunderturds or something.
And I actually like Binghampton too—a nice community, I always thought, with a good chunk of Slavs and a darn good SUNY outlet.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on
Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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so.. did these rumors actually start over at OH?
I’ve never checked out their site.. but I just remember they’ve reported a bunch of things that never happened…
by Y Not on Jul 21, 2008 5:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah...
...it almost goes without saying at this point that shit that originates at OH should be taken with a truckload of salt.
by Jonny Pops on
Jul 21, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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Tons of posts on teh Sun's own message boards, too.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 21, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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I am convinced
That the “insiders” at Orioles Hangout are twelve year old kids claiming to have a connection with the front office of the Orioles. The amount of trash that originates on that board and spreads around the Internet is hard to fathom; there have been countless rumors that are proposed and never come to fruition because they don’t have any actual basis. There are a ton of people who post there so you do get good, insightful information about the Orioles, but with that comes two and a half tons worth of garbage.
Take a look at this, if my memory serves me correctly than the guy who started this post and provides his own commentary throughout, Peace21, is able to provide the site with events and rumors that take place within management. He is supposed to be a thought provoking, knowledgeable member that gives readers real information.
http://www.forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67307
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on
Jul 21, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
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OH
To be fair to the guy who posts a lot of “insider” rumors, he’s just reporting random chatter. When you report chatter, a lot of it won’t turn into something serious. At least that’s how I ontextualize the info I hear over there. Although the premature B-Rob trade to Cubs annoucement was really embarassing and amateurish.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
Jul 21, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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Yeah I agree that they are just reporting
And they are spot on some of the time, but there were a ton of posts being made about possible packages for Roberts, Tejada and Sherrill this offseason which had nothing behind them. That site somehow has a lot of credebility, and is often visited by reporters as it gets so many hits.
If you look at the link I posted, it wasn’t so much critisizing the information they provide, but rather how naive and out of it the insider sounds.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on
Jul 21, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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here's the thing
And I’m not dissing OH because I think they’ve done a great job representing for Orioles fans over the years.
They have a lot of credibility because they were the first real O’s fan community online, or at least certainly the first one that took off. They’re still a LOT bigger than we’ll probably ever be, if only because they’re (1) more established, and that will never change, and (2) their format is attractive for lots of older O’s fans who get morally outraged by cursing (yet idolize Earl Weaver) and/or simply are more used to the “message board” style.
Plus, we’re a BLOG—which, to be honest, I hate. I mean, I like it, but the term has such negative history and vibe around it. They probably think we’re over here making up trades that never happen or some B.S. like that.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
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