GameThread: Blue Jays (48-51) at Orioles (48-50), 7:05 PM EDT
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Now, Marcum's numbers look great. But, according to Yahoo! Sports, he's on a short leash tonight:
Shaun Marcum (5-4, 2.65 ERA) makes his first start in over a month for the Blue Jays on Tuesday. The right-hander felt pain in his elbow after a start against Milwaukee on June 18 and was placed on the 15-day disabled list three days later. He was determined to be suffering from strained ligaments around his elbow and forearm, an assessment later confirmed by arm specialist Dr. James Andrews.
"I couldn’t even wash my hair when I came out that day in Milwaukee," Marcum told the team’s official Web site. "From there to what it is now, it’s almost like a 100 percent turnaround. My arm feels good and I’m glad to be back here."
Marcum, who will be limited to 65-70 pitches, was having a strong season before the injury. He had allowed two earned runs or fewer in 11 of 15 starts while holding opponents to a .198 batting average.
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Eckstein is the DH for the Jays tonight.
That’s a strange choice.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
NICK!
DONG!
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
I root for all the guys in the pros that I played with or against
regardless of what team they are on (except maybe the MFYs)...
Another one
Joe Flacco….
I want him to play and get a chance, but I also don’t want him to be completely thrown to the wolves….
Bring Tex Home.
Go Blue Hens!
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i went to law school in de...
but not at the u. good times.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 22, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Best 6 years of my life
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
MelMo just saved your rear, Garrett.
You should probably buy all of his kids new shoes for that.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
Why the hell is Eckstein DH'ing???
No way he catches that one
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
I notice you're in Philly.
Sorry to read that….
Phillies and Eagles “fans” are amazing, aren’t they?
Bring Tex Home.
I was down
In Delaware (obviously) and it was the same way. They’d all wear Eagles jerseys to classes.
One professor, in the middle of the lecture goes “Why the F did McNabb have to break his knee” We’d also get out of class early for MNF.
Bring Tex Home.
Philly's great
You always know where they stand. You know they are going to be pissed off and probably don’t care for you much.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You get that mostly just from college kids
They really need to expand Rutgers so Jersey can stop exporting all their college kids.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Philly's got it's share as well.
Just talk to the guys working at Pat’s/Gino’s or on South Street. Almost indistinguishable from South Jersey.
I don't have a problem with South Jersey
It’s the guys from central to north Jersey that annoy the hell out of me; South Jersey is mostly farms.
Don’t go to Pats/Gino’s that much, so can’t really speak for that.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I would
Never ever ever go to Pat’s or Gino’s.
But that’s just me. I was always a fan of Leo’s in Folcroft.
Bring Tex Home.
Ugh Folcroft
I think the best steaks are in Roxborough: Barry’s, Delesandros, and Chubbys.
South Philly wise, Tony Luke is pretty good stuff.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck yeah!
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 22, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
MM
mora is on fire, but answer me this… does it or does it not look like melvin is about to cry all the time?
I've always thought that...
for years. It’s like someone just told him his dog died…all the time.
Memlo
Is like a different guy after leaving the 11 guys on base in Boston saying he f-ed up.
Mellie is playing angry, and I like it.
Bring Tex Home.
Dude's dad was a carpenter
Probablu spent his whole youth (and up to age 30) lugging around roug-hewn 4X4s. I’m bettin’ He had a pretty good arm, personally.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
checking in
And things aren’t looking bad around here. True, a mere 4 run lead isn’t much for Mary-Kate, as he is busy showing us right now, but this is one teamwhose bullpen is just as stressed than ours, so it’s all good, right?
Didn't Kranny teach them about the plate, and all?
by fishoutawata on Jul 22, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That assumes
they have the ability to conistsently throw it there on purpose.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Way to work yourself out of that mess, Garrett.
Thanks to Luuuke, this time.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
That's the hardest I've seen Castro hit anything yet.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
So how long will Camden hold the "fastest to 50 million title"?
I’m guessing not long.
dude...
dr. jones and nikos credit him w/ their awesomeness!
even if it’s silly to say that b/c they’re both such awesome athletes and have probably just figured things out on their own…
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim
Since you seem to rag on Mary-Kate so much, why don’t you go and actually try to help him?
Bring Tex Home.
i can see palmer...
being one of those “why can’t you just be good?!” type of coaches.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 22, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see
Why they’d walk Menchie.
Menchie is a legend in Newark, DE for his ster-er, power.
Bring Tex Home.
he would have been out of the inning...
if someone had thrown to second instead of third.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
Geez, I can see that O’sFan21 has some serious anger-management issues. You should know that there are medications that can help people like you!
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
If it's the 5th inning, it must be time for a 5-spot
if Mary-Kate is the starter. It’s like clockwork—no reason for surprise.
MEMLO!
DONG!
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
New ballgame! Olson’s off the hook!
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Good evening
Just got home from Thirsty Dog Dog Pub. Wing Dog Pizza is the best thing ever.
"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail
My goodness
Melvin has a home run and four RBIs tonight? What has gotten into him?
"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail
RAMON!!
DONG
He has really been hitting of late.
"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail
You do realize that Melvin and Hernandez are in the top 10 in the AL in batting average with RISP? Speaking of Ramon….
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
RAZOR!
DONG!
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
I was at a game once
where Ramon hit a walk off home run (I think against the Angels). He flipped the bat and admired it like crazy. Luckily for him it went over, but it was barely. It was hardly a sure thing off the bat. The LF seriously almost caught it.
"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail
Melmo and Razor are men on fire!
Maybe they want to get traded, too!
Headline on Baltimore Sun.com:
“Crowley charged with tutoring Loewen”
Sounds like he’s a wanted criminal.
Did you see that shot of Mora and Huff-Daddy slapping five? They missed Ramon’s hit (although they did look to the outfield in time to see it go out)! Pretty funny stuff.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
Do you guys hear the music they're playing?
What on earth?
"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail
I missed it...
what were they playing?
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
I don't know
It was this very dramatic instrumental. It sounded like the score of a movie where the good guy are gearing up for their big showdown.
"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail
Anybody remember when we would whine about how sucky the hitting was
...and thank God for the pitching? Seems like a long time ago, doesn’t it. The way these guys are hitting, this should have been a laugher, before M-K got his grubby little paws on it.
David Steele seriouisly got it right.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.steele21jul21,0,4575096.column
I thought Steele came off as whiny in that article.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
Crap, Alberto.
You looked like Jamie Walker right there.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
Fuck man if you can't win a game where you score 7 against a shitty ass offense like the Jays...
You fucking deserve last place.
I freaking love Jim Palmer
“If you gave your kid a candy bar every time he whined and cried, you’d have a happy, fat kid.”
"Mora looked pretty good running the bases tonight when he hit that home run," Dave Trembley.
Maybe the O's can sign Troy Smith
Nah, he couldn’t throw a strike today, either.
Which is what happens when guys throw strikes
You either hit them or go down, but you don’t take all day doing it. Now go wash your hands.
by fishoutawata on Jul 22, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
PLEASE DRINK
responsibly
"Mora looked pretty good running the bases tonight when he hit that home run," Dave Trembley.
Yes, we seem to have mastered that GIDP maneuver tonight. On a different note, what did Orioles fans do to deserve Gary Thorne? The tough part about being an O’s fan in the DC area is that 980 AM cuts its power when the sun goes down, and you have to give up on listening to Joe and Fred.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
I like Gary and Jim.
Can’t stand Manfra on the radio.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
Count me in
I’ll take Gary Thorne for every O’s game the rest of my life if it means I am spared Fred Manfra.
And Gary’s really funny when he’s drinking, which is seemingly every game.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Hellooooo....
Anybody out there? out there? out there?
Why not? We’re only facing one of the top bullpens in the AL.
Seriously, it’s a shame when a starter gets staked with a four-run lead, and that’s not enough to have a comfortable evening.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting Question....
Most folks like the group of guys on the club, and they clearly have good chemistry, even if they’re probably a sub-.500 club. Would you rather have a group of guys who play .500 ball but we like them or would you rather have a more competitive team comprised of jerks? That’s why they paid Andy M. the big bucks.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
A competitive team made of decent human beings
and a couple jerks.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
No matter what happens, it’s nice that most of our trade bait is saying that they don’t want to leave the O’s to play for a competitive team. I’m really impressed by Sherrill, who played Independent ball but says he doesn’t want to leave the O’s, even if it would put him on a serious competitor.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The question kind of answers itself
But it’s a false choice. At the beginning of the season everyone thought the Os were playing over their potential. Now—we’re two decent starters and a shortstop away from being competitive. Nice guys can win just as well as a-holes.
by fishoutawata on Jul 22, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d add a few bullpen pitchers to the list of players we need to be really competitive.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear that, but
I think if the starters were consistently going 7, some of these guys would be closer to their early season form. They’re just falling apart, and hitters are getting way too many looks at them.
by fishoutawata on Jul 22, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If the starters were pitching better....
I bet the bullpen would be, too.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
anybody else think the homeplate ump is a little bit dramatic?
at least on his strike calls…
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
He’s great. You can hear him screaming his strike calls on the radio (at least you could until the DC radio station cut its power and I had to turn on MASN’s sound).
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Decent AB for Razor
against a guy who can really spot his pitches.
I wish MASN would lose the sports-reporting school ads.
If not, they should send Thorne to sports-reporting school.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
Did that take you 8 innings to think up?
:)
by fishoutawata on Jul 22, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
nah...
i say it reflexivly when his name is mentioned, but in that situation, it seemed apporpriate to “verbalize.”
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 22, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Roch reports that Walker threw BP to Fahey & Quiroz
I guess that’s one way to keep his pitches off Eutaw Street.
Did they want him to take infield...
as he pitched? What are the odds either of them hit one to the outfield on the fly?
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Looks like this one devolved into a long, slow sucking sound. On the other hand, The Dark Knight...
was even longer: 2 1/2 hrs. whizzed by like 4.
At least on the way back from the movies I got to hear Joe Angel on satellite radio. Cool.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Hey, it ain't over
Not until we score one less run in the ninth than we need to tie!
by fishoutawata on Jul 22, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
boy...
the “t” on these caps looks like it belongs in a soft serve logo.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
OK, men, it's Score 3 Runs Or Get Back On the Cellar Elevator. Going down.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
It's really really bad to give up this many runs to this shit ass hitting team.
At least Nicky is good. He seems to like hitting off of BJ.
I hate you, Wilkerson.
That should have been a single and RBI.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
Oh baby...
we’ve got ourselves a ballgame.
Dammit.
They need to win tomorrow.
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
Positives
Nick breaks out of his mini-slump
AJ continues to be awesome
MelMo is on fire
"We're excited about the future, but we also want to be excited about now." - Brian Roberts, 07/17/08
And...it's...cellar time again! Hello-lo-lo? Is there an echo down here-here-here?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Get over it, O'sFan21
Olson’s young, and he’s been thrown into the rotation. He obviously isn’t ready to be a regular starter, but this is what rebuilding looks like. In a year or so, he may be good enough, so give him a chance before labeling him as though he was some ungrateful 32-year old has-been.
by Birds Man of Bethesda on Jul 22, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
Olson
I was willing to give Loewen a long leash because he had a lot of upside. But with Olson, I’m afraid he is what we thought he was. It’s a rebuilding year, so you might as well let him take his lumps. Hopefully, he’ll learn something and turn it around next year.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
well, the good news, if any...
is that his whip is way down this year, his bb rate is down and his k rate is up. i’s sort of unsettling that his hr rate is up a bit.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 23, 2008 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Think Left-Handed John Maine
Maybe he puts it together, maybe he doesn’t, but he should get a lot more chances.
i agree...
he’s definitely not top of he rotation material, but there’s value in having homegrown, back end dudes. remember: look at how much $ was paid to carlos silva and kyle lohse! hell, o’s paid benson 7.5 mill to basically be placeholder.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jul 23, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Olson by himself isn't the problem.
If Olson was our #5, we’d be fine. The problem is, he’s our de facto #3. And there’s 2 guys in the rotation that are as bad, if not worse. One we could handle. Three? Yuk. We can’t exactly expect 4 days of rainouts after every game Guts pitches…..
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
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