Sherrill's trade value

by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 5:41 PM EDT Comment 14 comments

So, today George Sherrill pitched in the 9th when the Orioles were down by six runs. Since this was not by any stretch a clutch inning for the O's, it's safe to assume that he was pitching for the benefit of the scouts present, and that the Orioles are seriously considering trading Sherrill. That's good (I'm sure everyone here will agree).

In the inning, he faced five batters, gave up two singles, and struck out two. All three outs were against left-handed batters, while both hits were against right handers.

So, my question is, was this outing a good showing for the scouts, that will help increase Sherrill's value? Or does giving up to hits remind scouts that he's a mediocre closer?

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I would guess that

he was pitching b/c he hadn’t pitched in a while, and not simply for scouts.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 24, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Also...

I think Andy McPhail would be an idiot not to see what he could get for George. A B+ middle infield prospect and a couple of throw ins would be enough. Theoretically Ray is coming back next year, and we could still resign Flatbill next year right? Imagine Sherrill to Ray or vice versa next year. Could be fun.

One other thought is packaging our spare parts and sherrill to make a run at texeria. Please get that guy he’s a lumberjack.

by Birdland in NC on Jul 24, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sherill isn’t a free agent until…2010, I believe.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 24, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

After 2011

by dkdc on Jul 25, 2008 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly, I'm all for trading Sherrill for high value

but the team who picks him up is getting a good relief pitcher for this season and the next three seasons. We don’t have to sell low.

by math_geek on Jul 25, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

No need to trade for the sake of trading with this guy, bc, if we dont get the offer we have in mind for him (I would go for the B+ middle inflieder and some throw-ins, which Andy has been good at so far), then we have a great lefty reliever for 3 years…

by cdavis627 on Jul 25, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just picked this up from Stark's chat.

Shoshana (Chapel Hill): So what do you think it would take to get Sherrill? The talking heads keep saying the O’s are looking for a good young SS prospect (a position they desperately need). Who might fit that bill? Jayson Stark: (1:35 PM ET ) That’s why they’ve been scouting the Brewers so heavily. I think they thought they had a chance to get everybody’s favorite ss prospect, Alcides Escobar. But the Brewers won’t even talk about him. Sounds like the Orioles then targeted Mat Gamel, who’s going to be a star at third base (or maybe first eventually). But that’s doubtful, too. That’s the kind of players they’re after for Sherrill. And I don’t see them being able to get that for him, no matter how good he’s been.

Sherrill isn’t going anywhere. Nobody is giving up an A or B+ prospect for Sherrill. I think we should take a B prospect and B-/C+ prospect while we can.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 25, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah

The O’s aren’t gonna get anywhere close to that return. But I guess it couldn’t hurt to inquire a bit. In terms of value, heres what the reliever market looked like last year:

Eric Gagne to the Red Sox for Kason Gabbard, David Murphy, and Engel Beltre
Octavio Dotel to the Braves for Kyle Davies
Scott Proctor to the Dodgers for Wilson Betemit
Scott Linebrink to the Brewers for Will Inman, Joe Thatcher, and Steve Garrison

The Brewers gave up a ton for a half season of Scott Linebrink. According to Sickles, they gave up one “B” prospect and two “C+” guys.

Gagne basically got three C/C- types.

So what does this tell us? Trading Sherill could net a very useful return. Hes under control for a few more years, can be a decent-good closer, and can shut down lefties. If someone offers a package where the value is maybe a bit better than the one the Brewers gave for Linebrink, the O’s should accept.

But what concerns me is what that moron Jim Bowden did with the Nationals. He traded Jon Rauch, who is arguably better than Sherrill, for a single C+ prospect. I’m afraid he threw off the market for middle relief and that teams will offer up similar deals for Sherrill. If that the case, might as well hold on to him.

by UMterp08 on Jul 25, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Sherill isn’t a rental like some of those names you showed, and he is under cheap control.

Jim Bowden trading Rauch doesn’t hurt us at all. GM’s know he sold himself short, and it took one more option off the market. There are still more teams that need relief pitching than relief pitchers on the market.

We still have just under a week until the deadline, we will take our time and wait for a team such as the Cardinals to make a play instead of selling ourselves short, and if it never comes then we hold onto him and let him prove himself for another year (relief pitching is usually more valuable at the deadline).

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 25, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Yeah I was thinking that too. The closest to Sherill’s situation is Scott Proctor, but the Yankees aren’t interested in prospects. Still rental or not, a handful of B prospects is probably the best the O’s can get.

by UMterp08 on Jul 25, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sherill isn’t a rental like some of those names you showed, and he is under cheap control.

And Sherrill’s cheaper, but still, he isn’t all that great as closer, but the O’s are treating his value as if he’s a great closer. If we can pry 1 B propspect & 1 B-/C+ prospect for him, I would take it.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 25, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed!

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 25, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you as well

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 25, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Orioles are aggressive traders now

They are always going to be pushing for hard value for their players. It will be interesting to see what we get for Sherrill if we trade him. If we don’t trade him, we can still try next year even if he doesn’t perform as well.

I read a quote somewhere by an anonymous low revenue team scout that said “We are not a farm system for the big-market teams.” That’s exactly right. I’m not saying don’t trade Sherrill for a B plus a C+ prospects, but if someone tries to lowball us, forget it. A C+ prospect by itself will not be a major help in getting us to the World Series. At least with Sherrill we have fun turning up our caps when he gets a save.

by math_geek on Jul 25, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs