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The injustice of it all: Orioles vs. Dodgers

I have a friend who is a Dodgers fan. We're not close friends. She lives in California and we haven't kept in close touch since college, but we email sometimes, usually about baseball. When Manny got traded to the Dodgers I emailed her to see what she thought, and part of her response was frustration about Joe Torre playing Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre over Andre Ethier who is not only a better player, but younger and more of a part of the future than either of those guys. Totally understandable. I replied to her, commiserating about what a bad decision it is and gave my own opinion on the Dodgers.

This is the beginning of her next reply:

Are you following my team now? Sounds like you know a lot about the situation. Maybe an alternative to your poor Orioles? I see they are in last place again. :(

It made me so mad! I mean, I know the Orioles aren't good. I'm no idiot. They have got a long way to go to be competitive, but to get that response from a freaking Dodgers fan? It just got to me. For one thing, the Dodger's record is 58-59 and the Orioles record is 56-60. But the Dodgers are only 1.5 games out of first place and the Orioles are 14.5 games out.

I wrote back to her as nicely as I could about the positive progress that the Orioles are making, and pointed out how the O's and Dodgers have very similar records, despite the fact that the O's have to play the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, and other AL teams while the Dodgers play the Padres and Giants a million times a year. I ended it with saying that if the Orioles were in the NL West I'd guess that they'd probably be fighting for a playoff spot just like the Dodgers.

Don't get me wrong. I don't begrudge my friend the joy she gets in watching a team that is competitive in its division. And I'm not normally one of those folks who is all, "Woe is me! My team plays in the AL East! It's not fair!" It's just this one time, and that one comment got under my skin big time. To have a Dodgers fan pity me for following a lousy team just seems so very rich.

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Casual hometown/single team fan (her) vs. baseball fan (you)

Lot of people don’t care about the sport outside of their team of choice. Me? I watch the postseason no matter who is playing (for the most part – you’ll never catch me watching another NY subway series, though). Sounds like your friend turns off the tv after the Dodgers are eliminated.

In addition to not caring about the rest of baseball, she’s also on the West Coast, and I don’t think they talk about the Orioles too much over there. Probably only exposure to the Orioles is you and ESPN, which usually doesn’t have much nice to say about the Orioles anyway.

You should give her an XM gift sub and tell her that if she wants to continue talking to you, she has to listen to The Show with Dibs and Kennedy. I know you already listen to it, so you know that not only do they try to talk about the entire league and give credit where credit is due, they also love Dave Trembley.

Or you could just delete her email address.

by PhilR8 on Aug 11, 2008 12:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Love XM

It has truly made me a better baseball fan.

All I know is if she looks at the standings to see that the O’s are in last, she just has to pan her eyes over an eighth of an inch to see how many wins they have, which is very close to the Dodgers.

"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2008 1:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

XM Radio Channel 175

is pretty damn awesome. Love it. I pretty much bought XM Radio for that channel and POTUS 08. I can’t say I’m a big fan of Dibs and Ken, but I do like Sickels’ Down on the Farm show and all the interviews they do in general.

The NL West was suppose to be an up and coming division with the all young talent in AZ, LA, and CO. Guess things can turn around still. And I hardly notice whenever people make fun of the Orioles anymore. Dodgers fans, Yankee fans, Pirates fans, Newark Bears fans, it’s coming from all angles these days. I still curse that 30-3 game to this day. Even my dad, who doesn’t even follow baseball, called me to inform that the O’s lost 30-3 and it was one of the worst losses blah, blah, blah.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dibs and Kennedy are awesome

Today Kennedy was flying solo, because Dibs is out for an undisclosed reason (I’m guessing he beat up his ex-wife), and he had the Mets-Pirates tv feed playing and he was analyzing over top of it. It was awesome to hear him comment and predict strategy, and then listen to his prediction come true.

He also threw one of the Mets commentators under the bus when the commentator said Steven Pearce of the Pirates was an “inexperienced hitter” for not swining at a 3-1 ball that was “right down the middle.” The ball was, according to Kennedy, at the knees and a good pitchers pitch, one thrown to force hitters to ground out. The 3-2 pitch was left up over the plate, and Pearce knocked a two-run single to put the Pirates ahead 7-5. Kennedy made sure to let everyone know that Pearce had a great at-bat and the Mets announcer didn’t know what he was talking about.

by PhilR8 on Aug 11, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What do you think of Duquette?

I find myself pleasently surprised whenever he fills in for someone. Say what you want about the man’s front office skills, he knows the job and he knows the ins and outs and I always enjoy him. On July 31st he and Holden did an extended Baseball This AM that I got to listen to on my four hour drive to NJ and it was outstanding. He also has a very radio friendly voice.

I love Dibs and Kennedy, although I don’t always agree with their stances on certain things and I think Kennedy is a bit of a name dropper. But you can’t beat their knowledge.

"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail

by Stacey on Aug 13, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like him as well

Yeah, the special trade-deadline BBTM was great, and you’re right about his voice – he’s got a natural speaking voice that really works on the radio, as well as a casual style of speaking that still sounds like he knows what he’s talking about.

I pretty much like everyone on the channel except for Grant Paulson (sp?) of Minors and Majors. Unlike Duquette, Paulson sounds like a total nerd and it’s impossible for me to take him seriously, or even be interested in anything he has to say. I’m not saying that he doesn’t know his shit, but I’ve never actually cared to listen and find out.

Also – and I might get flamed for this – I dislike Ripken Baseball. I dislike it a lot. I think Cal and Billy are boring and don’t really offer any insight or analysis. Still love them both, but hate their show.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't mind Grant Paulson

The only guy I really can’t stand is Chris Russell(?) At least I think that’s his name. He’s a fill in I believe. He grates and he’s a bit too fanboy for my tastes.

I’ve only listened to Ripken Baseball a couple of times, don’t really have an opinion. I get bored out of my skull when coaches of 12 year olds call in to talk about development with them, but that is their niche so whatever.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Your'e right about Ripken Baseball

Its boring as hell. They don’t say anything much of substance. I really enjoy Charley Steiner’s show. Why doesn’t more sports coverage get this: talk to beat writers for your opinions, not national columnists. They know what the hell they’re talking about. BEAT WRITERS, BEAT WRITERS!

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by jobe on Aug 14, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ripken baseball

I don’t catch them very often but Cal isn’t a good interviewer. King of leading questions. He’s basically states an opinion in his question and then looks for the interviewee to confirm it.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 14, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Kennedy is a bit of a name dropper. But you can’t beat their knowledge.

Did you know Kennedy once manged for the Red Sox? The guy is like Wooderson, or Millah.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 14, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair to Kennedy

He gives equal time to all of his past organizations. Texas, LAD, Boston, Montreal, and Baltimore (as a minor leaguer). But boy does he love him some Roger Clemens. You can’t shut that guy up about Roger Clemens.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2008 2:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The NL West is one of the worst divisions in history this year

And the NL still stinks in general.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the O’s have a better record than the Dodgers if they played the same schedule.

Also, Ned Colletti is a dum-dum, and Joe Torre’s preference for veterans is hurting him more than it did with the Yanks (the Yanks usually had better veterans than the Dodgers do right now)

by pipkin on Aug 11, 2008 12:49 PM EDT   0 recs

Your latest Standings

Division Adjusted, unadjusted for strength of schedule.
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Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 15, 2008 9:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was surprised

when I looked back at last year’s schedule on my office wall to see that on August 10th the O’s were 53-61 while they are only 56-60 this year. It just seems like to me this year’s team has been better. Maybe it’s just that they are moving in the right direction and that makes it easier to watch them. Of course last year’s team only won 19 games over the final two months so that could have something to do with it.

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by BPinOK on Aug 11, 2008 12:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Meh

Dodgers: 58-59 in the weak NL West with a $118.5 M payroll, and a free Manny. They may make it to the playoffs but they won’t get far if they do. OPS+ of 88 = really weak offense that shouldn’t be, but is. ERA+ of 121 is the only thing to be jealous of. Juan Pierre. Revolving door at SS.

Orioles: 56-60 with a $67M payroll (including Gibbons and Trax). 2-3 actual MLB level starting pitchers and a revolving door at SS. 104 OPS+ 91 ERA+

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by CoachOfEarl on Aug 11, 2008 1:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Oh their pitching is way better, no doubt

For one thing, we really only have 3/5 of a starting rotation, and two of those are Danny Cabrera and Garrett Olson. The Dodgers pitching is much better than the O’s. But it’s not even about that.

"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't get upset unless

You got that sort of ‘your poor team’ response from a Royals fan, or a Pirates fan, or a Rays, er, I mean Reds, fan.

Curt never met a buttered roll he didn't like.

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 11, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

She does have a point

I mean, the Orioles are on their way to, what, their 11th losing season in a row, whereas the Dodgers have at least been competitive most of those years.

Sure, the future looks less dire than it usually does, and yeah, they play in a tougher division. But if a frog had wings, it wouldn’t bump its butt on the ground a-hoppin’. Until the O’s actually deliver something better than 4th place (looks like 5th place this year), we aren’t really in a position to complain when fans of other teams look at us with pity.

The Orioles suck, and unfortunately that has yet to change. Sorry if I sound bitter about it, but I was at yesterday’s game….

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Aug 11, 2008 1:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Obviously the Dodgers aren’t a pathetic team. If the question were, “Which team is more pathetic?” The O’s would win every time. It’s just the past couple years, despite being in contention, the Dodgers have not been a great team. They’ve been a team that lucked into a weak division. That’s all. They’d get eaten alive in the AL East (or any AL division probably). It’s not so much her acknowledgment that the O’s aren’t good, it’s that she says “your poor Orioles. I see they’re in last place” and then writes an entire rest of the email about the Dodgers and their chances. Blargh.

"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's also the choice of the word "poor"

That’s so patronizing. Like she’s patting your shoulder and saying, “there, there.”

It doesn’t take a genius to realize that the Orioles are very different this year from the past several, and that they are moving in the right direction. “Poor Orioles” might make sense if we were on track to lose 100 games, but right now (surprisingly) we’re projected to crush last year’s season win total, and that’s with the subtraction of our best pitcher and best hitter. And of course, our farm system is about 200% better as a result of those trades.

Bottom line, neither team is going to win the WS this year, and the Dodgers, IF they make the playoffs, will do so despite Torre, not because of him. And they won’t last past the first round.

Me? I’d say “poor Dodgers.” Their ballpark sucks, their fan base is of the 3rd-7th inning variety. LA is, first and foremost, a basketball town, and despite the fact that I’m moving to a place where I can literally walk to Dodgers stadium, I will most likely catch more Angels games during my time in LA.

by zknower on Aug 12, 2008 1:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like Dodgers Stadium, quite a bit actually.

But it’s a pretty chill place fan wise unless the Giants are in town. Angels fans are pretty enthusiastic but the rally monkey annoys the hell out of me and they do the wave entirely too much.

I will most likely catch more Angels games during my time in LA.

Man, the traffic is brutal on the 5, unless you’re trying to catch a weekend game, and even then the traffic can be annoying.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 12, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

With friends like this...

...who needs the Yankees?

I mean I hear she’s your friend and all, but frankly this person seems a little overly defensive about someone else in her conversation having knowledge of her baseball team. I mean, why react like that? You’re sitting around having a casual chat about the misguided Dodgers and she’s got to pull some sassy bullshit? It’s pretty lame.

by Jonny Pops on Aug 11, 2008 1:46 PM EDT   0 recs

Adam Dunn

Just got traded to the Arizona D-Backs for three players.

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by BPinOK on Aug 11, 2008 3:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Holy crap.

When’s the last time the league’s HR leader was traded in August?

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Aug 11, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when's the last time it was baseball-hating lazy Adam Dunn

Who only walks and hits home runs, the fuckin’ jerk.

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by SC on Aug 11, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sounds like a rally killer to me

"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones

by exitfare on Aug 11, 2008 5:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I could go for some of his rally-killing.

Somehow, I think Dunn would be an Earl approved player.

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Aug 11, 2008 5:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public.

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by SC on Aug 11, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

That image makes me want to wretch, but it’s true.

by Birdland in NC on Aug 13, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Stacey: Tell your friend that it's a shame the Dodgers aren't where they should be.

They would dominate if they played in the other league—that’s the Japanese Central League, of course.

Holy crap, what kind of dolt is this woman? Has she looked at the interleague, all-star and WS results recently? Does she have a glimmer that she’s watching something that might be called AAA+ baseball , as she condescendingly talks about the “poor Orioles”?

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Aug 13, 2008 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Has it ever occured

that there was one division all sub .500 and one division all above .500 in the same season?

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 15, 2008 9:34 AM EDT   0 recs

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