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Nats games - they kind of suck (a rambling rant)

This has probably all been said before, but here are my impressions.

Went to a Nats game last night.  Normally I wouldn'tve made the trek all the way down to DC on a weeknight, but was invited by a friend who I don't see much and thought, why the hell not.

I;ve been there twice before - saw a game early in the season, and also went to a Nats/O's game in late June.  Last night they played the Mets, and it was a pretty good game - the Nats had a chance to tie/win the game in the bottom of the ninth, but ultimately the shaky Mets pen held on to beat the Nats.

Sounds like a decent time, right?  We had nosebleeds that were $10 but weren't bad at all.  Even the rowdy New Yorkers in our section slithered away to another part of the park by the second inning.  The fans around us actually seemed to be "real" Nats fans (if there is such a thing), not backing down from the stupid childish taunts from the New Yorkers.  The Rushmores were also awesome, as usual.

But there's a lot of shit that just rubs me the wrong way about the whole experience.  Clint, who for those that don't know, is the on-screen emcee for the stadium.  He travels around with a camera crew, giving out prizes to fans who compete in little mini-game shows and trivia contests.  It doesn't seem like a bad idea I guess, and Clint seems like a decent enough dude himself, but the entire enterprise comes off as trite, corporate, and superfluous.  Does a stadium or a team really need a cheerleader/narrator?

In this case, the answer might be yes, because the stadium sucks. This is probably why Clint exists in the first place - the stadium cannot speak for itself.  I mean, it's new and clean and has decent sight lines and has a beautiful big-ass hd scoreboard, but it's pretty much a modern-day analog of the all-purpose cookie cutter stadiums of the 70s.  Take away the bigass scoreboard (which will probably be obselete in ten years anyway) and the place has no character.  What is the view beyond the outfield?  Parking garages.  You can see the Washington Monument if you sit at JUST the right spot down the first base line, through a tiny gap in the stadium out in left field.  The concessions, while decent, are expensive as all hell.  Same with the seats.  People might come once to see a shitty team play, just for the novelty of baseball/new stadium/etc, but will they come back with prices so high?  Thankfully, this time we didn't have much trouble with the ushers, who, in the past, have been total assholes.  But in the cheap seats they pretty much left everyone alone.

I guess as an O's fan I'm kind of spoiled by Camden Yards.  I've been to Skydome, Fenway, Yankee Stadium, and Nationals Park, and OPACY is by far the best place to watch a game.  But cmon Nationals, your stadium is brand new.  You had a chance to really make something special that reflected the character of DC and included some scenic and historic scenes.

Instead, fans look out onto parking garages, and the dominant archiectural motif is concrete blocks.  No one even uses those parking garages - they were only half-full, and there were 32,000 fans at the game last night.  Everyone uses Metro, and the station is tiny.

End rant.

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Agreed

I’ve been to one game there, also an O’s/Nats match up in late June. The stadium was just so… generic. They had the uhhh, president’s race but besides that nothing about it screams DC at all. A brand new park and the Nats are only average 30k attendance, I imagine they expected much better.

by UMterp08 on Aug 13, 2008 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I liked the stadium

It’d be perfect if they could have built it to have the capitol and such in the skyline, but they had to make do with what they had. I loved getting off of the metro right behind center field, it’s a really cool view walking in. They could stand to expand that metro station, though.

Our seats were in the upper deck but had a perfect view of the field, though they were pretty expensive. And their concessions offerings were quite varied.

I think you’re right we are used to Camden Yards, and Nationals Park is all the same color, same materials, so it can look boring. But I think it’s pretty sleek. I sort of felt the same in Kansas City, not the sleek part. But the entire stadium is pretty much concrete so it looked weird because I’m used to brick, concrete, steel, all working together. I think they went out of their way to make sure it didn’t look like Camden Yards, and they succeeded.

"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail

by Stacey on Aug 13, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm ok with the stadium

It doesn’t have the iconic look that Camden Yards has, with the brick and the warehouse, but it’s very well executed in terms of actually seeing the game and getting your food/beer, etc. I think Stacey’s right about a conscious effort to not be like Camden Yards (and other “classic” stadiums that followed) and move away from the brick/green metal look. They wanted something lighter and more in keeping with DC’s neoclassical architecture.

I also second Stacey’s take on the center field entrance—that’s really well done and is very cool. If the surrounding development takes off, I think the stadium’s openness will be a big strength.

The parking garages do kind of suck, though, as does the team. And the concessions are way, way too expensive—though part of that is how the city is funding the bonds, so better that people who go to the games pay than burden the taxpayers overall.

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 13, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I do agree with the center field gate awesomeness

I tell you, I love the Metro, even if it is crowded as all hell when the game is over. An expanded navy yard station will fix that one day. I park at Greenbelt and just take the green line all the way down. It’s pretty sweet.

by PhilR8 on Aug 13, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually...

i was at the game last night and i thought it was super easy getting out of there. i was also at a phils game a couple weeks back and that, while not terrible overall on the scale of taking the train back from rfk, was WAY worse than last night.

re: the game

that milledge play was pretty sweet.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Aug 13, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was incredible

Manny-esque, if you remember the high-five play. In fact, I think Milledge’s play was better.

I agree that it wasn’t terrible getting out. The amount of people getting on the metro was daunting, but I was surprised at how fast I actually got on the train. I got on a train that went to whatever the northern-most transfer station was, and then waited a minute to catch an actual green line train to greenbelt. I think it’s a testament to how smoothly the metro was running last night – it was crowded as hell but was tolerable.

by PhilR8 on Aug 13, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

the milledge play was a better according to hoyle's play...

but manny’s was definitely more amusing.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Aug 13, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You stole the words out of my mouth

I just get this feeling that the majority of the people theres first priority is not watching a baseball game, they’re there becaue there company is there, or somebody unloaded the tickets on them.
My favorite part of the ballpark is probably the view of the anacostia river (an underrated river) which is not saying much. About this time of year in the DC area, its all Redskins, and not much focus on the Nationals. (I do realize they are the worst team in baseball)

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Aug 13, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

off topic: an underrated river?

What’s underrated? It’s a prime example of a disgustingly abused waterway. The Anacostia has been a cesspool for years. DC routinely pumped tons of raw sewage into it via their crummy sewage system. The Naval Shipyard has also pumped pollution, including PCBs, into it for years. That crap then helped foul the lower Chesapeake. It took a lawsuit to have DC address the sewage issue. That river is an embarrassment, not some overlooked underrated waterway.

by drj on Aug 13, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only say its underrated because everyone talks about the Potomac

and its the best demarcation line of the social gap of residents west of the river and east of the river. People always think all of Southeast is dangerous, while in reality, the portion of SE west of the Anacostia has been heavily gentrified, and the residents have moved out to the close in towns of PG county.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Aug 13, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

The Anacostia is disgusting. I had a friend who did some volunteer cleanup work down there and they warned them all what to do when they found a body. Not if, but when.

And on the subject of Nats games. I went to one (O’s/Nats, of course) and all the cheap seats were sold out, so we sat in $35 bleacher seats. They were decent tickets, good sight lines, but the stadium didn’t do much for me. The outfield concourse is wide, but really bland. Decent beer selection, but not great.

by pipkin on Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually...

it sort of reminds me of a gigantic minor league stadium. not entirely a bad thing and sort of appropriate given the on-field product. it’ll be interesting to see what happens when they can bowden and give the reins to mike rizzo.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Aug 13, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

A good view is overrated

Because really, you’re supposed to be looking at the field. I mean, I loved seeing the clock tower in Camden yards, but I really don’t miss it now that they’ve blocked the sight of it with the Hilton.

Why debate the merits of Anacostia versus Potomac? They’re both really discusting. I’ll drink out of the Potomac, but not until I’m in West Virginia…

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Aug 15, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

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