Baltimore Orioles @ Tampa Bay Rays GameThread, Aug 30, 2008 3:55 PM EDT

LET THE HEALING BEGIN!

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 6:59 PM EDT 0 recs

If a gamethread happens on cc and nobody posts in it, did the game ever exist?

by zknower on Aug 30, 2008 7:00 PM EDT 0 recs

damn, i thought it was a 7 pm game tonight

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 7:00 PM EDT 0 recs

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 30, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

oh, thank heavens I’m not alone. I AM, however, stuck under a monitor featuring Sarah palin as an overamped cheerleader.

by zknower on Aug 30, 2008 7:02 PM EDT 0 recs

I thought Palin was a terrific choice. She’s a bit green to the national scene so I’m a little worried she might pull a “macaca” moment (actually not really, I’m voting Obama), but she’s a far better choice than the usual suspects like Romney. She completely undercuts some of the usual attacks used by Obama and she reinforces McCain’s image as a maverick. I’ve noticed that woman have complained that their offended that McCain/media pundits think they’ll vote for the McCain/Palin ticket simply because Palin is a woman. I really don’t think this is the case at all. Women said the same thing about Ferraro and I think McCain realizes this is the case. I imagine Palin’s ability to potentially attract disaffected Hillary voters because Palin is a woman was factor, but a very, very, very minor. I alos thought it was interesting that Obama didn’t have an immediate press release. I imagine he had his media team write up an immediate press release for each potential VP weeks in advance but they didn’t write one up for Palin. McCain played the misdirection game perfectedly.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

No women are complaining

CNN is telling you that women are complaining. There is a difference.

Take a sneak peak at this site; I realize that these guys are the most radical PUMA’s you will find, but still.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

CNN is telling you that women are complaining. There is a difference

Oh absolutely… well, a NY Times columnist are complaining, and I’ve seen a bunch of chatter of this on my facebook. But I certainly don’t see any polling data that says woman as a whole are complaining about this, but rather it’s a media created controversy.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

Almost every site

That is not specifically listed as a conservative blog/page is pretty left leaning. I am sure you know how much liberal propoganda the NYT spews out daily and facebook is an online community for young people who vote for Obama anyways. Obama is all over youtube and like most democrats is backed by every celebrity and their family; Barack Obama probably has more google searches than Lincoln, Washington, Reagan and both Bushes combined.

I like the pick of Palin because a few months as a governor gives you more executive experience than a decade in Senate. Commanding the National Guard, controlling a state 700 times larger than Delaware and appeasing hundreds of thousands of civilians gives you more “experience” than voting yes or no to select pieces of legislature whenever you feel like showing up. Let me point out that when Barack Obama opted to run for Prez he thought that two years as a junior senator was qualified to be number uno in the world. K. Hell, being a mayor of a small town in Alaska rivals that. And by the way, I’m pretty sure that Palin is the only one who has actually visited ANWR and she, along with most every Alaskan, wants to drill there, yet the Democrats think that it would be more productive to pump money into “alternative energy” which they promise by the time their candidate would be out of office, for six years.

FYI: I usually vote Libertarian.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

That is not specifically listed as a conservative blog/page is pretty left leaning. I am sure you know how much liberal propoganda the NYT spews out daily and facebook is an online community for young people who vote for Obama anyways. Obama is all over youtube and like most democrats is backed by every celebrity and their family; Barack Obama probably has more google searches than Lincoln, Washington, Reagan and both Bushes combined.

Yes I very much realize this. Like I alread said, at this point, I think it’s media chatter, I certainly have not seen any polling data that suggests that this issue is on the minds of woman as a whole. In any case, even it’s just media chatter, I still find an interesting that the (media) perception exists (however small) that McCain picked Palin to court disaffected Clinton voters, which like I already said, it’s probably misplaced.

I like the pick of Palin because a few months as a governor gives you more executive experience than a decade in Senate. Commanding the National Guard, controlling a state 700 times larger than Delaware and appeasing hundreds of thousands of civilians gives you more "experience" than voting yes or no to select pieces of legislature whenever you feel like showing up. Let me point out that when Barack Obama opted to run for Prez he thought that two years as a junior senator was qualified to be number uno in the world.

I thought Obama made a huge mistake yesterday in pointing out Palin’s inexperience because it only highlights his own inexperience.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

700 times larger than Delaware

And a quarter of the population of Brooklyn, for crying out loud.

by pipkin on Aug 30, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'll disagree

There’s a lot to not like about Gov. Palin. None of which concerns her gender, by the way.

But on this forum, I try and stick to the O’s. Because as I type this, I’m wearing the Obama shirt I got for a $30 donation, so I think we may be a tad bit apart in political ideology.

Go O’s!

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 30, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

There’s a lot to not like about Gov. Palin. None of which concerns her gender, by the way.

I have an Obama shirt in my closet too but I still think Palin was a great choice poltiically even though I don’t share many of her political views.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

Why question is...

what voters does she add? Hard-core pro-life? They would have come home anyway. HRC PUMAs? Not a chance. They will look at her and see their ex-husband’s new wife. No way in hell does more than 1% of the people who voted for HRC in the primaries actually vote for McCain due to Palin.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 30, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

what voters does she add?

Palin helps solidify the nervous conservative base for McCain.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up 0 recs

They would have come home anyway.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 31, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

The Soccer Mom. The PTA Mom. The PUMA. The “John McCain is too liberal” conservative. About 20% of the “Change in Washington” people.

Better question: what voters does she lose? Adding Biden loses the “change” people and PUMA’s.

The real up side of adding Palin, however, is the boost this gives to the base of core conservatives.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

They will look at her and see their ex-husband’s new wife.

That is possibly the funniest thing I have read all day.

by math_geek on Aug 30, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

Better question: what voters does she lose? Adding Biden loses the "change" people and PUMA’s.

Man, actually, I really don’t think VPs really didn’t matter much in the end.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 31, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up 0 recs

Thank you, I'm here all week

Tip your bartenders and waitresses…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 31, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm an Obama supporter

but more a fan of the game than anything else.

However, I was appalled at the Gamemanship in the Sarah Palin’s choice. I understand that VP is usually a tactical decision. But I always felt that the one constraint was the person had to be feasibly capable of becoming president if anything happened. Especially if the nominee is 72 years old.

by math_geek on Aug 30, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up 0 recs

And a 4 time cancer survivor

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 30, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

And Joe Biden is more qualified to be President why? Because he is an old white guy? Biden comes from a tiny state and doesn’t command anything at all. Liberals love to talk of Palin being a reactive pick instead of proactive, but does anyone really think that a young black man with zero experience choosing an old white guy in his 400th term to be coincidence? John McCain has one go in him regardless and he is regarded as being in surprisingly good health for having a past like he has had.

A President almost always makes his mark in foreign policy, domestic issues are decided by the houses and not the President. You don’t elect someone to push hard domestic issues over foreign policy, liberals can even ask HRC how her universal health care plan went . Obviously Palin is a gimmick to attract votes, but John McCain is clearly superior on the foreign policy front and that is he can brush aside Palin at any given time. People are outraged that a candidate like McCain could do something so outrageous as choosing a young woman, but do you ever think that choosing your candidate is giving him the power to elect his full cabinet and Supreme Court justices?

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up 0 recs

And Joe Biden is more qualified to be President why? Because he is an old white guy? Biden comes from a tiny state and doesn’t command anything at all. Liberals love to talk of Palin being a reactive pick instead of proactive, but does anyone really think that a young black man with zero experience choosing an old white guy in his 400th term to be coincidence? John McCain has one go in him regardless and he is regarded as being in surprisingly good health for having a past like he has had.

Joe Biden was a Senator for 36 years. Thats significant preparation to be president. As for what “liberals” love to do, I’m hardly a liberal, so I wouldn’t know. And “alive” is surprisingly good health for McCain with the past that he has had.

A President almost always makes his mark in foreign policy, domestic issues are decided by the houses and not the President.

The New Deal, the Great Society, Reagonomics, and the Civil Rights Act never happened?

You don’t elect someone to push hard domestic issues over foreign policy, liberals can even ask HRC how her universal health care plan went .

Or they can ask Bush Sr. the meaning of the words “It’s the Economy, Stupid.”

Obviously Palin is a gimmick to attract votes, but John McCain is clearly superior on the foreign policy front and that is he can brush aside Palin at any given time. People are outraged that a candidate like McCain could do something so outrageous as choosing a young woman, but do you ever think that choosing your candidate is giving him the power to elect his full cabinet and Supreme Court justices?

Which makes me very curious as to who he picks as his very first advisor. It gives insight as to what he considers when he makes his other choices. Sarah Palin was chosen to be a gimmick to attract votes and press. Will he make his other appointments the same way? That’s quite telling about McCain.

Finally, Palin may have been chosen because she is a young woman, but that isn’t why I find her candidacy objectionable. Biden, at 44, would have served 3 terms in the Senate and would certainly have been qualified to be president. In fact, when Biden was 46 he ran for president, but lost in the primary. No-one was questioning his experience then. Kay Bailey Hutchinson would have been a decent, but not excellent choice for McCain. There are, unfortunately, precious few women lawmakers in the Republican party, and as such it’s very difficult for me to name a young woman Republican that is ready to be Vice president. However, on the Democratic side, Arizona governor Janet Napolitano, at age 50 is only 6 years older than Palin and certainly would qualify for the Vice Presidency. However, the number one job of the Vice President is to be able to become President of the United States during a major crisis at a moments notice (the death of a sitting president is usually a major crisis). What in Palin’s career possibly qualifies her to do that?

by math_geek on Aug 30, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

And "alive" is surprisingly good health for McCain with the past that he has had.

He only has one term in him, regardless.

The New Deal, the Great Society, Reagonomics, and the Civil Rights Act never happened?

The New Deal didn’t do much of anything, the Great Society ceased to exist when Vietnam began, I was a fan of Reagonomics and the Civil Rights Act has a ton of loopholes. As I mentioned, I usually don’t vote for either major party but I feel that FDR’s New Deal was more of an argument against government control than for it.

It is assumed that because Biden has been in the Senate for two centuries that he knows how to lead a country, which is not true. He was elected by a state multiple times that is barely larger than Alaska and doesn’t have to go to his job when he doesn’t feel like it. Biden has been told no by the country for a few decades, yet he is the henchman to Obama’s “change” campaign. As for women in the Republican party, Senator Snowe has to be under 60 if I remember correctly and she has been very successful. I think Palin is a good choice to get into office and should be able to help McCain with some meaningless domestic issues, but she will be completely lost on most everything else.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 31, 2008 3:33 AM EDT up 0 recs

The New Deal didn’t do much of anything, the Great Society ceased to exist when Vietnam began, I was a fan of Reagonomics and the Civil Rights Act has a ton of loopholes. As I mentioned, I usually don’t vote for either major party but I feel that FDR’s New Deal was more of an argument against government control than for it.

The point was to invalidate your previous claim that Presidents didn’t have a major impact on domestic policy. All four of these programs were heavily driven by the president. Incidentally, the CRA (and VRA that was passed a year later) might have been flawed, but it was so infinitely better than nothing that it’s absurd to refer to it as anything less than a major domestic accomplishment. And it was rammed through congress by Lyndon Johnson.

t is assumed that because Biden has been in the Senate for two centuries that he knows how to lead a country, which is not true. He was elected by a state multiple times that is barely larger than Alaska and doesn’t have to go to his job when he doesn’t feel like it.

Being a Senator from a small state has the same power and responsibility as being a Senator from a big state. It might be more difficult to get elected in the first place, but that’s not relevant, as we have plenty of information on Biden’s performance governing as the Senator of Delaware. He’s the chairman of the freaking Foreign Policy Committee in the Senate. I really shouldn’t have to defend his competence or experience.

Biden has been told no by the country for a few decades, yet he is the henchman to Obama’s "change" campaign.

There were legitimate concerns about Obama’s experience, especially with regards to foreign policy. The choice of Joe Biden was designed to help eliminate those concerns. This is akin to the Kennedy/Johnson ticket. A charismatic, yet relatively inexperienced person at the top of the ticket with a Senate veteran as his running mate.

As for women in the Republican party, Senator Snowe has to be under 60 if I remember correctly and she has been very successful.

You’re right, I forgot about the “Maine Sisters” Not because I am unaware that they exist, but because they are moderates, and therefore completely out of the question for national office in the Republican party. They are very competent, and Olympia Snowe would certainly be qualified for the Presidency.

I think Palin is a good choice to get into office and should be able to help McCain with some meaningless domestic issues, but she will be completely lost on most everything else.

And What if McCain dies? Do we just scrap the whole USA thing because the new President isn’t capable of leading this country? The VP has exactly one job, be ready to take over the Presidency at a moment’s notice. You’ve just absolutely admitted that Palin is not qualified for that job. The fact that McCain would appoint someone completely unqualified for the job as a political calculation shows A) That John McCain is devoid of integrity, or B) That he lacks the basic judgment necessary to be president.

by math_geek on Aug 31, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

she's a terrific choice...

…. if you like to keep on with the current vogue of hiring people with no relevant qualifications (heckuva job, Brownie!) and staffing your government with people who wind up under investigation:

Evidence of what Palin dubbed a “smoking gun” conversation, and other calls made by her aides recently surfaced as a result of the attorney general’s inquiry. The investigation was commissioned by Palin about two weeks ago after Sen. Hollis French was quoted in the Wall Street Journal saying that Palin could be impeached as a result of the probe.
So far Attorney General Talis Colberg has determined that a majority of the calls came from Palin’s chief of staff at the time, Mike Tibbles. Colberg and Palin’s husband Todd, also contacted Monegan about the trooper.
Palin said she never asked any of her staff members to contact state public safety officials about Wooten, however the governor said she was aware that calls were made.“Many of these inquiries were completely appropriate. However, the serial nature of the contacts could be perceived as some kind of pressure, presumably at my direction,” she said.

Seriously, McCain felt this woman was THE BEST CHOICE to step in if he can’t finish his term? C’mon.

by zknower on Aug 31, 2008 1:48 AM EDT up 0 recs

is there an update about this?

I’m sure McCain wouldn’t have nominated a VP who’s getting ready to be impeached in her own state.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 31, 2008 2:50 AM EDT up 0 recs

the investigation is ongoing....

…and a full report is due out in October. If you Google “Sarah Palin” and “Troopergate”, you’ll find plenty.

Was he AWARE of the investigation? I don’t know. I mean, it would be hard not to know of it, despite his lack of grasp of the internets. But I can’t say for sure. In any case, either

a) He nominated someone he first met five months ago and did not vet her properly; or

b) He nominated someone he first met five months ago fully knowing she was under investigation and decided it wasn’t relevant to her fitness for the office.

Regardless of which it is, it makes me question McCain’s judgment as Commander-in-Chief.

by zknower on Aug 31, 2008 7:22 AM EDT up 0 recs

I’m sure he was aware of it. The fact that he meet her only five months ago doesn’t bother me. He shows he’s willing to think and act outside of the old boy network. I’m guessing McCain thinks this will blow over fast and won’t lead to anything. But yeah, if she’s found to have obstructed justice, WTF was McCain thinking.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 31, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

btw,

Why hasn’t Obama brought this up? My buddy said that the investigation is fluff and if the dem try to make an issue out it, it’ll backfire big time. At this point, I’m believe him given that Barrack has remained silent on this issue. I’m not a McCain supporter, but trooper gate isn’t one of my reasons.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 31, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

because

I think Obama is serious about “a new kind of politics”. He’s not just paying lip service to it.

When he was running for the senate seat in Iliinois, all the sordid stuff came out about his opponent (sex clubs with his wife), and he was asked to comment on it during the campaign. His reply (paraphrased) was, “this has no place in the public arena. It’s a private matter between this man and his family, and I refuse to answer any more questions about it.”

by zknower on Aug 31, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

“I think Obama is serious about "a new kind of politics". He’s not just paying lip service to it.”

But Obama has already gone negative, both canddiates have! And it’s just not Obama, no democrats are touching the story.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 31, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

and to give an example

Obama picked up on the number of houses owned by McCain controversy in a heart beat, but he lets this slide?

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 31, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

He was the perfect apprentice

Of dirty Chicago Politics when he ran in 1996. The Obama campaign likes to call it “luck” that all his adversaries had to drop out, but I figure that knocking out four other candidates, along with the incumbent, is a little more than luck. He reported that the signatures that they had on their petitions were invalid and knocked four other democrats. This is a legal move in the Chicago realm, but he didn’t give the voters a chance to choose who they wanted, which obviously would not be him as he was a young, no name guy running for office.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 1, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

that women

is clueless !

by westcoastOfan2 on Aug 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

nicky boy!

by westcoastOfan2 on Aug 30, 2008 7:16 PM EDT 0 recs

holy cow, stopped paying attention to the game

Nicky!

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 7:20 PM EDT 0 recs

I thought this was a 7 pm game

And what channel is this on? I can’t find it on MASN, MASN2 or any of the other usual suspects.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 7:22 PM EDT 0 recs

It was on Fox

unless you live in the area that gets DC’s Fox station and not Baltimore’s.

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Aug 30, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

That is me

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

Is the season over yet?

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 7:26 PM EDT 0 recs

so i'm not so excited about rocky cherry anymore

other than his name, not that I was all excited to begin with.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 30, 2008 7:37 PM EDT 0 recs

the orioles pitching

minus Guthrie, Johnson and Sherrill. is awful, we are soo close yet soooooo far

by westcoastOfan2 on Aug 30, 2008 7:42 PM EDT 0 recs

Good to have you back, Westie

But we are far from close, unless you consider adding at least 2-3 starting pitchers, a couple relievers, a catcher and a middle reliever close. Not to mention that the above team could probably only contend for one year if at all.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

i was thinking along the lines

of our minor league ptichers in a couple of years, as well as a few of the good young hitters

by westcoastOfan2 on Aug 30, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

Oh

I guess I have been reading too much Orioles Hangout recently. I thought you meant that our lineup is in contending form and we just need to add one pitcher and then are world series bound.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Aug 30, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up 0 recs