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I'm sure everyone has seen the Prince video, by now, of him shoving Manny Parra during a game.  If you have the time, check out this article.  It is nothing too special.  A sports writer posing the question of whether or not something was more than the manager was playing it out to be.  What you should focus on is the comments at the bottom when the people react to this team disply.

"Prince should be fined and suspended for 5 games. You don't just attack a teammate, especially a young starting pitcher who is just frusterated because he lost 5 of his last 6 games (well the team didn't he had 3 no decisions in that timeframe)"

 

"I think Prince needs to be traded to the California Penal League.

Any respect I had for him left with two pudgy paws to parra's face."

 

"I do think that Fielder should stay on the bench for a game or two.  That's it.  You just have to send the message that it's not ok to hit a teammate.  At the worst, if Fielder is still angry, send him back to Milwaukee for two days and he can rejoin the team on Thursday."

While not all the Milwaukee fans overreacted like these coupe, there were plenty of people jumping on board with similar reactions.  Did any question Parra wanting to skip out on the rest of the game?  Nah.

I am just shocked at the fans of this team.  Anyone who knows anything about this team knows that Prince has to be in the line-up for it to work.  He is David Ortiz and Ryan Braun is Manny Ramirez (if you would allow me to make that analogy).  I would bet Braun's numbers are down if Fielder is not batting behind him or in front of him, and with less than 2 months to make up ground and get in the playoffs the fans would rather set down their clean-up hitter for disciplining (albiet public and inappropriate manner) a pouty rookie pitcher? 

This type of response is what is wrong with today's society.  These are the same people that believe everyone deserves a trophy for trying and that everybody should get equal playing time.  These are the types of fans that don't deserve a pennant race and a playoff team.  Most likely, before last season, they had never heard of Prince Fielder.  In fact, some probably hadn't even paid attention to baseball until they realized they had a decent team.  It just sickens me to think that they'd rather see discipline for this small scuffle than see their team succeed. 

This PC society can kiss my ass.

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Yost just needs to give Fielder what-for behind closed doors and then let this die. It’s not unusual at all, except for the fact that it happened in public instead of in the locker room.

by punkrawka on Aug 5, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gonna have to disagree.

These responses are how people should react. It’s like in high school when the star jock gets caught drinking in the lockerroom or something and they are just verbally reprimanded. If it were some third string nobody, they’d be kicked off the team. The punishment needs to fit and be universal. And I HATE the fact they don’t keep score in teeball anymore.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 5, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That being said...

I agree that it was pretty much all frustration, and really isn’t that big of a deal, but I don’t see anything wrong with these people’s reactions.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 5, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teeba: I'm OK with that

I mean, 6 years old is a LITTLE early to be competitive, isn’t it?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TEEBALL

God, I can’t type.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope...

got’s to learn ‘em early: there are winners and there are losers and it changes all the time!

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Aug 5, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I agree with JQ

IMO, the earlier you learn life’s not fair, the better off you’ll be.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 5, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At aged 10? Sure. Maybe even 9

But 6 seems a bit earlier.

Maybe it’s just because my kids suck at sports, just like their dad did. :)

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Most those kids just want the free sno-cone anyways so it doesn’t matter.

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 5, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even the ones that win

I see that at swim meets all the time – parent’s all like “Get your time!” and the the kid’s saying “Can I have my snack now?”

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you, duck

Kids who suck at sports should be given the opportunity to at least have fun with it for a little while. I remember losing my first organized soccer game and thinking, “hey, this kinda sucks”, and I’ve never liked soccer since then. Kind of a shitty introduction to sports.

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Aug 6, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I was on a good team, they pushed competition because that’s what we wanted. When we weren’t very good, they pushed having fun and the little things we did well, because that was good for the majority of the team. I think you can do it right, but - and this might surprise some people - I don’t think tee-ball is worth scoring, either. Those kids don’t give a shit about who’s winning. Kids start caring about scores around age eight, I’d say.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Aug 7, 2008 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, your right Duck

When athletes get pampered too much especially at a young age, you get guys like Brett Favre.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Aug 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this a good thing

or a bad thing? I’m confused on the context of your comment in comparison to Duck’s stance.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a bad thing

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Aug 5, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want kids pampered

I just don’t think a Lombarian “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing” mentality when kids are in 1st grade is appropriate.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If taught right I don't think that's what it is

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. It’s important to learn to be a good loser and a good winner, and to realize that either one isn’t the most important thing. If everyone is winners all the time, what’s the point?

"There is a value to breaking the string of losing seasons as an organization or as a franchise. But breaking that streak can’t come at the expense of doing what you need to do to get your franchise to the point where it can reach the postseason." ~Andy MacPhail

by Stacey on Aug 5, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You get Brett Favre???

Who are fucking awesome quarterbacks whose teams win a ton of games?

If you think that Brett Favre is the worst person who makes a living as a professional athlete by several hundreds of miles, you really need to read the papers more.

by yurizanow on Aug 6, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still going with Leonard Little

Dude killed a woman driving drunk. That trumps being a whiny little bitch about where you want to play.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 6, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That guy is probably the worst human being who plays professional sports

He apparently said something to the effect of “bitch wrecked my car” immediately after he killed her.

by yurizanow on Aug 6, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He and Mike Martz

made the early 2000 Rams as unlikable as any league power in NFL history. How is Leonard Little still playing?

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The old saying goes....

If Charles Manson was a lefty and could throw strikes, there’s a GM that would sign him.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 6, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reactions

We’re not talking punches. He shoved his fellow player twice because the pitcher, he felt, was out of line. I have to agree with Prince that pitchers should stay out and watch the game. You should get your arm iced up, heat wrap, whatever they choose, and come back out in the dugout instead of sitting in the clubhouse like a primadonna. I’m not sure when it became acceptable for pitchers to do this, as it has been accepted for as long as I remember, but I’ve never liked it.

If this happened in the lockerroom, he would not be punished with anymore than a fine. I think the same punishment here applies since the rookie pitcher was throwing a tizzy and arguing with one of his captains.

by PWubbs on Aug 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do have to side with Fielder

As a manager, I’d probably wish he hadn’;t done it in a dugout, but I’d know at least ONE of my guys cares if we win…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

And stuff like this goes on with teams all the time, but it doesn’t usually surface too often in the dugout.

by PWubbs on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Starters can get on my nerves

so often it is so much about them, and making sure they get their win every five days.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Aug 6, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prince video?

Dude’s a lot taller than when he toured with the Revolution…

(can’t even link to a YouTube because he’s a bigger douche than even Lars Ulrich….)

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He isn't

dunking over Charlie Murphy in the video is he? B/c I hate to break it to you but I don’t think that is the real Prince.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Aug 5, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And making pancakes after...

Game….blouses.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 5, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In case you didn't know

He’s batting 4th in the starting lineup for tonights game.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Aug 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

None of this stuff matters

The A’s that won three straight World Series used to get into regular fistfights with one another, so did the 1970’s Yankees. Earl Weaver’s Orioles allowed the pitchers to be primadonnas and would do things like send them to the next city ahead of the rest of the team on road trips. Tommy Lasorda’s Dodger teams used to hug a lot and say they were a family. Pretty much every big-time baseball player from Ty Cobb to Babe Ruth to Mickey Mantle to Cal Ripken routinely behaved in ways that a lot of people would consider selfish.

There has never been a correspondence between a team’s behavior and it’s success or failure.

by yurizanow on Aug 6, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As the '77 Yankes would say

WINNING builds chemistry.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 1970's Steelers had great chemistry

Then they started losing and they had bad chemistry.

Did anything change? No, except they got old and they couldn’t ignore the things that bugged them about one another that they were able to easily ignore when they were winning.

by yurizanow on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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