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Waters-Montanez fever grips Birdland

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Before I really start here, I gotta tell ya: Y'all are hiiiiiigh.

Actually, that's pretty much my whole point. You all being high.

Y'all that are theorizin' and speculatin' on the future of Chris Waters in the Baltimore Orioles rotation are hiiiiiiigh.

Y'all that read anything into Lou Montanez hitting a home run in his first major league at-bat are hiiiiiigh.

Chris Waters is 28 years old and just reached the major leagues. He has a career 4.09 ERA in the minors. Chris Waters is not Jeremy Guthrie. There's really no comparison. No one has ever thought Waters was as good as they thought Guthrie was. Waters isn't a stalled prospect that is rising like a phoenix; he's a scrap heap minor league veteran arm. He's only up because Hayden Penn got hit with a damn baseball bat the other day. That's how much the Orioles brass REALLY thought of him -- Hayden Penn and his near-5 ERA at Norfolk were the first choice, not Waters, and I don't want to hear about how highly recommended Waters came from the minor league staff. If the minor league staff is highly recommending someone with Waters' resume, we're boned.

I'm not trying to hate on the dude's success. He had a fabulous game. I wish they would have kept him in for the ninth. There's a very real chance that he won't ever throw that kind of game again.

Montanez is getting spun as a positive because he hit some home runs at Bowie this year. He should have, considering how old he is for the level and the fact that the Cubs once took him third overall in the draft. He is a total and complete flameout of a former prospect. Here's his MLB.com biography:

Graduated from Coral Park HS in Miami in 2000...The Chicago Cubs selected him in the first round of the 2000 First Year Player Draft with the 3rd overall pick...Was signed by Cubs scout Mike Soper...Luis's father, also named Luis Montanez, played professionally in Puerto Rico.

Woo! Mike Soper! 2000 draft! High school! Dad!

They have pretty much highlighted his career achievements.

I'm not, like, disgusted or anything. God love 'em if they both shock the world and turn into real contributors on the major league level. But these aren't prospects that delivered in their first games. These are ... bums. I don't want to be mean, really, but they're bums. They're guys that wound up in our system because other teams didn't want them, they've never progressed the way they should have/were expected to, and they are really just minor league filler.

I couldn't get excited about David Newhan, either. I couldn't get excited about Tike RedmanTravis Driskill is springing to mind. That's the same type of player we're talking about.

And doesn't it strike you odd that these things happened on back-to-back days? Doesn't that just make you think, "Waters was awesome, but now freaking Lou Montanez is hitting a home run in his first major league at-bat. This is a rib, right?"

Luis Hernandez hit .290 last year.

In almost every single case in the history of the organized, civilized world, results at the major league level can be seen coming from the minor league level, and not just when the guys are beating up on players they're simply more advanced than, either. Waters and/or Montanez succeeding in the majors would be a miracle.

I'm rooting for them. I really am. But I'm going to avoid the hysteria about it all, because we're looking less at this:

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than we are at this:

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Waters ISN’T the REAL DEAL? Damn!!! I was really stupid.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 7, 2008 8:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Cubs fan I have to agree

Montanez never really had any stretch where he looked like he was going to be a major leaguer. He has certainly paid his due in the minors so I hope he can play enough to stick for awhile but hoping for anything more than a role player seems overly optimistic.

by JonH on Aug 7, 2008 8:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As An O's fan...

Optimism is all we gots.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 7, 2008 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then again,

Waters might be another Bird. A tenth-round draft pick who won Rookie of the Year and nearly beat Jim Palmer for the Cy Young.

The reason SC has to say “In almost every single case in the history of the organized, civilized world”, is because once in a great while, the prior stats are not indicators of future success. One would have to guess maybe that, for these guys, being in the bigs for the first time overcomes a psychological hurdle and they get mojo or confidence or whatever and then nothing is ever the same. Right?

Ahhhhhh, who’m I kidding?

by zknower on Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Aug 7, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I had to pick one....

Forced to pick one of the two, I’m going with Waters. One at-bat doesn’t show anything like 8 good innings does. But one game is still one game.

by blawk359 on Aug 7, 2008 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd pick Montanez

At least he’s hit all year in the minors, while Waters had a 5+ ERA in AAA.

Both are probably AAAA players, at best, but Montanez has slightly shorter odds of being the real deal.

by dkdc on Aug 7, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a negative post. Such a loser's mentality.

Failed/Stalled prospects succeed all the time.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 7, 2008 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Such a loser's mentality"

Welcome to Orioles Fandom.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Aug 7, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

You’re one of the most negative people on here… I’m just surprised to hear you say something like this.

by Y Not on Aug 7, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Totally.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Aug 8, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for talking some sense into me

I’ll return to my normal, bitter, depressed, angry self shortly.

Seriously, I know already. Look at Bucholz, and who the hell is Dave Milacki anyway?

Nevertheless, that was a total unexpected breath of fresh air. And I think the reason that Penn was ahead of Waters is because they’ve had much higher expectations from Hayden, and he’s been up before. Waters has spent limited time at Norfolk (more than Liz?) and got hammered early, but was heading towards the goodness that he was dealing in AA. I’m not saying he’ll dominate MLB like he did the Eastern League, but he’s certainly worth watching.

Curt never met a buttered roll he didn't like.

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 7, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bob Milacki

Not Dave.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/milacbo01.shtml

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Aug 7, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See what I mean?

:P

Curt never met a buttered roll he didn't like.

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 7, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One homerun

Obviously doesn’t prove anything. I’m not trying to say Lou will be a savior, or even a solid MLB regular. All i’m trying to say is he deserves a chance and a few hundred solid AB’s at the major league level. I think the guy will end up being a better hitting version of Jay Payton really when it comes down to it.

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 7, 2008 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the guy will end up being a better hitting version of Jay Payton really when it comes down to it.

That doesn’t say much for Lou.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Aug 7, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It says 4th outfielder on a good team

And payton is making $5M this year. Although thats not what he should be making. Still a good 4th outfielder that plays all 3 positions has good value.

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 7, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw...

i DO like that he’s rockin the flat breezy style in the pic above.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Aug 7, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he looks terrible

It looks like someone pinched his head.

by PhilR8 on Aug 7, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, but...

don’t blame that on the flat breezy style! he’s just a funny lookin dude!

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Aug 7, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, we're all a little messed up here

That’s what happens to people who have been traumatized over an extended period of time. That’s why we gets nuts over every victory, going Birdland this, Birdland that, and get equally nuts over every loss, going f*&k this, f^%k that. Of course we’re delusional, and get seized with false hope, even as we know it’s false. Let us be—it’s what we need. We’ll deal with the inevitable disappointment when it comes, with an equally exaggerated despondency. As said above, welcome to O’s fandom!

by fishoutawata on Aug 7, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

really...

i think one of my essential tenets of fandom is that i reserve the right to be completely irrational about the teams i love. there is a time and a place for logic.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Aug 8, 2008 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

y'know

I was hoping with the constant stream of stupid links you guys would get that I wasn’t really too serious about this. I just wanted to talk about Waters and Montanez.

Chris Penn, y’all.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Aug 8, 2008 2:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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