Mike Mussina: Stuck on 17

by thewaywardO on Sep 13, 2008 7:01 PM EDT

Wayward O is not a mathematician, however, with 15 days left in season, it appears to be impossible for the Traitor-in-Pinstripes to stagger over the line with his first 20-win season.

I admit it's very hard to win 20 games in a season. And that's why it's so important for a pitcher to do it if he wants serious consideration for the HOF.

That's really all I have to say but I'm not sure If I typed 75 words yet. So let me say that, in addition to hot dogs, I also like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches quite a lot.

Here's "Moose's" line:

Pitchers	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
Mike Mussina (L,17-9)	5	8	5	5	2	7	0	3.63

BTW: We didn't call him Moose in Bmore, did we? I don't remember that. That's a dumb NY thing right?

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i disagree

maybe my memory isn’t what it should be, but i seem to recall mussina taking a below market value contract to stay in baltimore for a few years (which pissed off the union). then, angelos expected him to do it again because his home is in southern pennsylvania and instead he decided to test the free agent market. i don’t blame him.

why should he have any loyalty to us when we didn’t have any loyalty to him? i know that i’ve always appreciated mussina’s time here, especially the 1 hitter he threw against cleveland which was by far the best game i’ve ever watched in person. i root against the yankees as a team every day, but i still hope he wins enough games to get into the hall of fame. he deserves it.

by joet on Sep 13, 2008 7:55 PM EDT 0 recs

I don't hate him anymore

Maybe in 97 i might’ve thought PA was a good owner or whatever. Now I always side with guys like moose.

and yeah, we always called him moose.

not only do i not hate the guy, i hope he makes the HoF. He deserves it. No joke.

by pipkin on Sep 14, 2008 2:29 AM EDT up 0 recs

+1

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Sep 14, 2008 9:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

hell yes we did

he was moose weeeeeell before NY. and for the record, I hope he gets in

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Sep 13, 2008 8:43 PM EDT 0 recs

he was called moose in baltimore...

but right on the heela of moose milligan? no respect, man.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 14, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up 0 recs

Hes a jackass traitor yankee bastard

Also, not worthy of the hall.

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Sep 13, 2008 10:28 PM EDT 0 recs

-2.14

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Sep 14, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up 0 recs

-π

by zknower on Sep 16, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up 0 recs

-i

by pipkin on Sep 16, 2008 1:59 AM EDT up 0 recs

hmm…shoudla bolded it…c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker

by pipkin on Sep 16, 2008 2:00 AM EDT up 0 recs

-∞

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 18, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

i minus all the minus times ten.

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by thewaywardO on Sep 20, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up 0 recs

i certainly never called him "moose"

first of all, it’s a painfully-too-obvious moniker. second, it does not accurately as a nickname describe the brainy, small-boned mussina.

moose milligan. now that was a moose.

mussina would have been a rich man either way and b’more would have remained a viable team if he’d made the right choice at that pivotal moment.

he is a traitor and no amount of revisionist history can change it. being wrong and being a jerk is not a zero-sum game. in other words, you can fault angelos and mussina without any logical lapse.

Yes, I should say that, which, I should say that.

by thewaywardO on Sep 14, 2008 11:52 AM EDT 0 recs

As joet stated earlier, Mussina took a discount to stay with us earlier. It was a classy move. Angelos insulted him when he finally hit free agency. It’s 100% Angelos fault he’s a Yankee. I’d love to bring him back over the offseason. We could really use a few “stop-gap” pitchers and I’d think he’d be the perfect candidate.

Also, you may not of ever called him Moose, but just about everyone else did. In fact I remember they use to sell hats with antlers on them outside the stadium.

by edsachs1 on Sep 14, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

I admit it’s very hard to win 20 games in a season. And that’s why it’s so important for a pitcher to do it if he wants serious consideration for the HOF.

Lord.

mussina would have been a rich man either way and b’more would have remained a viable team if he’d made the right choice at that pivotal moment.

We’d already stopped being a viable team by the time Mussina left. His last two years were spent on miserable teams with no vision or regard for the future. Then they low-balled him. But we’ve been over this 1000 times.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Sep 14, 2008 8:31 PM EDT 0 recs

those two years were dominated by the ripken swan song that went on forever

if we weren’t viable, that is why.

but go ahead …… absolve him in your universe of you must. it makes little difference.

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by thewaywardO on Sep 15, 2008 7:57 AM EDT up 0 recs

I just don’t get hung up on what baseball players choose to sign with what team unless it’s the Orioles signing Jay Payton.

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by SC on Sep 15, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

especially since the yankees

you know, had the better offer. I’d probably have taken it too.

by pipkin on Sep 15, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

kind of like how

wade boggs
johnny damon
randy johnson
giambi
rod
and squiggy mcdorfmeister
all had the better off too right?

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by thewaywardO on Sep 20, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up 0 recs

Randy Johnson was traded. So was Alex Rodriguez. Yes to the others.

If you’re proposing to entirely eliminate free agency, then that’s one thing.

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by SC on Sep 21, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up 0 recs

you can quibble with a list i wrote in five seconds or you can face reality

the yankees are shit team that overbids in an anticompetitive way and players who get sucked in to that are assholes.

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by thewaywardO on Sep 21, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up 0 recs

well, the entirety of MLB is anticompetitive

By law. They have an antitrust exemption. The draft is anticompetitive.

The Yankees are just using their resources how they see fit within the structure of the game.

I’m never going to call a guy who maximizes his earnings potential an asshole for that reason alone.

Also, not all of those contracts worked out. Johnson was forgettable with the yankees. Giambi has been up and down at the plate and a liability in the field. Damon isn’t great. Wade Boggs had one great year and three average ones.

And that doesn’t even take into account guys like Pavano. Or Irabu. Or Irabu Jr. (that japanese pitcher they got last year…forget his name)

Also, they’ve also opened their wallets to keep their own players, like Jeter and Posada, something that other clubs could try if they wanted to.

I just don’t have too much sympathy for a bunch of billionaires who get outspent by another billionaire. Yes, New York gets some advantages from its location. If that bothered other teams that much they’d try to change things. But they won’t, and I can’t fault the yankees for spending.

by pipkin on Sep 21, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

Irabu, Jr.

Kei Igawa.

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by SC on Sep 22, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

that's two different arguments though

you can argue that it’s not really fair that the yankees can afford to do more than any other team in mlb and often exercise that ability. i’m not going to disagree with you, i’d prefer to see both a cap and a floor of some sort instituted.

calling out a player for getting “sucked into it” is a totally different argument though. why wouldn’t you get sucked into it? you can sign with the yankees, make more money than with any other team, and virtually assure yourself of playing meaningful games in october in most seasons or you can take less money and sign with a team that might or might not be competitive, because it’s more… honorable? i just don’t understand that logic; these are business decisions, no more, no less.

baseball players aren’t really allowed to be fans once they get drafted because you don’t control where you play for the most part. i’d like to believe that if i were good enough to play, i’d take less money to play for the o’s, but i’ll bet that attitude would change pretty quickly once i got to the business end of the sport.

anyway, mussina isn’t a traitor and he isn’t different from anyone else. let it go. would you seriously be less offended if he signed with the red sox or blue jays?

by joet on Sep 21, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

OR...

I can think you’re sort of childish about this. Honestly if the Yankees want to overpay for a lot of these guys, I don’t give a shit. What am I missing out on, Johnny Damon: Baltimore Oriole?

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by SC on Sep 22, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

you're missing out on a salary cap

wait. i’m sure you have already rejected that in your quest to forgive the traitor too.

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by thewaywardO on Sep 22, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

& you're missing out on mussina as a career oriole, you dope

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by thewaywardO on Sep 22, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

Because the NFL and NBA have lots of guys that spend their career with one team these days?

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by SC on Sep 23, 2008 2:10 AM EDT up 0 recs

I don’t like the salary cap idea, but I wouldn’t have a fit. These are grown men and the sport is not owned by three teams, no matter what “small” market fans pretend.

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by SC on Sep 23, 2008 2:08 AM EDT up 0 recs