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GameThread: O's (66-82) @ Blue Jays (80-70)

Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays, Sep 16, 2008 7:07 PM EDT


The Blue Jays are nine games out of first place and thus the wild card, as Tampa Bay and Boston are tied at 88-60 and 89-61, respectively. But they're not giving up hope:

"We need a lot of help from other teams," said first baseman Lyle Overbay, who’s hitting .424 with two homers in his last 10 games. "(And for us), it’s just a matter of getting on a roll."

They should probably give up hope.

It's interesting to look at the AL East. Tampa Bay, tied for first: yay! Boston, tied for first: disappointing! Toronto, tied for third: hey, not bad! New York, tied for third: YA BUMS!

Baltimore, in fifth: no s***, Sherlock.

  Today's Starting Pitchers GS IP ERA WHIP BAA HR BB K W-L
Chris Waters - LH 8 44.0 5.73 1.64 .288 6 21 22 2-3
Shaun Marcum - RH 24 149.1 3.38 1.15 .222 21 47 122 9-6

Marcum's had a heck of a season. This game starts at 7:07 on MASN2.

Orioles
2B Brian Roberts
RF Nick Markakis
3B Melvin Mora
1B Aubrey Huff
C Ramon Hernandez
LF Luke Scott
CF Adam Jones
DH Oscar Salazar
SS Juan Castro
P Chris Waters

Blue Jays
SS Marco Scutaro
2B Jose Bautista
RF Alex Rios
CF Vernon Wells
1B Lyle Overbay
3B Scott Rolen
DH Adam Lind
C Gregg Zaun
LF Travis Snider
P Shaun Marcum

ED. NOTE FROM duck: Thanks to typozzz for the lineups.

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It's a party in here.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nick is .417 lifetime against Marcum

His ERA vs O’s is 4.42 this year. We can get this guy.

Go O’s!

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineups. (Thanks Roch!)

Orioles
2B Brian Roberts
RF Nick Markakis
3B Melvin Mora
1B Aubrey Huff
C Ramon Hernandez
LF Luke Scott
CF Adam Jones
DH Oscar Salazar
SS Juan Castro
P Chris Waters

Blue Jays
SS Marco Scutaro
2B Jose Bautista
RF Alex Rios
CF Vernon Wells
1B Lyle Overbay
3B Scott Rolen
DH Adam Lind
C Gregg Zaun
LF Travis Snider
P Shaun Marcum

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We didn't give up a run in the first.

this is progress.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude is throwing strikes

What a novel idea.

Keep at it, Chris.

by fishoutawata on Sep 16, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris "Over the Hill" Waters

"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"

by exitfare on Sep 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Roberts doubles.

go, dude. #48

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait, wait, Marcum is throwing nothing but balls

and he plays for the other team, weird.

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Sep 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Guthrie a maybe for the home series w/ Rays

I guess they want to gets some butts in seats.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080916&content_id=3487624&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was really hoping for Guts to close out Yankee Stadium.

But I’ll settle for Cabrera + a bench-clearing brawl.

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Sep 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell is the point

Of squeezing in another start like this, I really don’t get it. Shut him down for the season, he is 29 and doesn’t need another start for experience.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and there goes Melvin.

I guess Huff to 3B, Millar to 1B, then.

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Sep 16, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Melmo gets heated!

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to know what the ump said that pissed him off.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Lol, you play for Baltimore.”

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same thing that got Robbie Alomar spitting mad.

Didn’t that also happen in Toronto?

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Sep 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robbie was totally wrong in that case

From Time.com

Alomar had his defenders, people who pointed out that Hirschbeck missed the call and then antagonized Alomar, or that the best second baseman of this generation had never done anything like that in the past—Spray it ain’t so, ‘To—but Alomar displayed no remorse after the game, and indeed compounded his sin by rationalizing Hirschbeck’s ire. “He had a problem with his family when his son died—I know that’s something real tough in life—but after that he just changed, personality-wise. He just got real bitter.”

When told of Alomar’s comments the next day, Hirschbeck had to be restrained from going after him and was forced to sit out the game.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF Melvin?

Throwing bats out of the dugout and shit.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When your in a pennant race

Things tend to get heated.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dong!

That one went a long way.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Geez, Luke Scott, what a shot

I know people are following the Rays/Red Sox, but has anybody else absolutely fallen in love with this Milwaukee Brewers ballclub?

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 16, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I am surprised to sign in and see we’re winning. Nice work, guys!

"He’s in trouble. Whatever he throws me, I’m going to hit it."
-- Alex Cintron

by BrianS on Sep 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They want some of our bats

We want their pitching, lets do this Cito, Melvin and Aubrey for Marcum

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you misspelled "Halladay"

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Sep 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would have had more comedic affect, wouldn't it?

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should I watch?

I just couldn’t stand watching the O’s blow one to teh Blow Jays and THAT manager…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Toronto announcers are morons

They were freaking out about that routing fly ball caught 20 feet in front of the wall.

by dkdc on Sep 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rogers Center looks pretty much full

Slow night in Toronto, I guess. These folks would rather watch #4 play #5 in person than stay home and watch contenders on the tube?

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could watch the Boston-TB game but I suppose it is pretty important to show the World Series of Poker on ESPN.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon WGN

You need to be showing Brewers-Cubs

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

come now

America’s Funniest Pets and People is a very compelling show.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a sport and those are legitimate athletes.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Fed is loaning $85 billion to AIG

Wow, this has gotten way out of control.

by dkdc on Sep 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Writing that tax check this year is going to sting just a bit more, knowing it will be used to bail out a f**ked up insurance company.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$300 a person

given our current population.

Just sayin’.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice grab at 1st by Millar.

The Jays announcers are in love.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is that TSN?

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 16, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for shooor.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 16, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should try it more often.

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Sep 16, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's pitching a hell of a game

7 innings, 3 hits, 81 pitches

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey guys what's going on in this gamethread

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Sep 16, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the power of chris waters...

has left us speechless.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 16, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Waters can suck it

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Sep 16, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy Waters that's some good pitching!

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not tonight, boss

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tonight too

I don’t want to see him next April pitching two good games and a bunch of crap. Then he’d just be Daniel Cabrera.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Sep 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why bother w/ that though?

as far as i’m concerned, pretty much everyone on this stafff not named jeremy guthrie or jim johnson can suck it.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only Albert Pujols

Has been on base more times than Nick Markakis this year.

by dkdc on Sep 16, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Go Nicky!

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diamond Dave's

letting him pitch the 9th????

What’s his pitch count?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Only 95

But dude is on a short leash with a 2 run lead

by dkdc on Sep 16, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who cares

What’s the difference? Let him finish it. Fuck it.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Sep 16, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And at 106 pitches

Chris Waters becomes the first Orioles pitcher this season to pitch a complete-game shutout.

Chris Freakin’ Waters, at game # 149. Wow.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

9

according to Gameday

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

h2 O!

Yes, I should say that, which, I should say that.

by thewaywardO on Sep 16, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

h2 R!

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

h2 I!

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Sep 16, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

h2 O!

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

h2 E!

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

h2 S!

Nick Markakis: The Actual Greek God of Walks

by wickedwitch on Sep 16, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

h2 O!

Yes, I should say that, which, I should say that.

by thewaywardO on Sep 16, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Chris Waters interview

How many times will he thank the Lord do you think? I say 4.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least 6

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zero!

He did say “blessing” which I think counts as a half.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a miracle!

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Sep 16, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gud spaeking, Chris.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toronto announcers sound pissed

“Jays start off their homestand with a loss against the Lowly Baltimore Orioles”

by dkdc on Sep 16, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ray-Red Sox tied 1-1

bottom of the 9th

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 16, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop. Winning.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damnit

And KC won tonight, we could been tied for 5th overall.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 16, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I am

Just not the same way that you are.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 17, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a question for you

and it’s serious, not sarcastic. Do you still watch the games? I mean, I know none of us are as attentive at this time of year as we are in the April and May, but still. Because I understand where you are coming from with the draft pick thing, and on some level I sort of agree. But it is impossible for me to turn on the baseball game and want to see them lose.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 17, 2008 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been tuning into the games. I want the high draft pick, but I can’t root for them to lose. It’s just too weird. I just don’t care if they lose.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 17, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that's where i am...

i think regardless of ultimate outcome, rooting to lose is for losers. i am happy when they win, but if they don’t and they end up getting a good draft pick out of the deal, so be it.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 17, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I don’t think I’ve missed but 20 or so games all season, and the ones that I didn’t watch were due to traveling and such. If I am at home and the O’s are playing, I will watch a good 7 innings of the game at least. In fact, I’ve commented on the happening of most every recent game, haven’t I? I guess I should rephrase it into saying what j.q. and birdman have said, I don’t necessarily take any joy in watching them lose games as it just further exacerbates the degeneration of the fan base, but I don’t really root for the O’s to win. I suppose you could say that I am indifferent, and if anything leaning towards the birds losing.

If I were watching a team with 75% call ups who have a shot at helping this team come 2012, I wouldn’t give a shit about draft picks and I would hope that the youngsters band together and learn how to win. However, that is not the case; we are watching Kevin Millar, Juan Castro, Melvin Mora and Ramon Hernandez play and I couldn’t give two shits if they won a game or not. I got excited when Waters threw a good game yesterday, even though it is highly unlikely that he becomes a starter in years to come, he has a much better shot than Jamie Walker and I throughly enjoy watching almost any young player.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 17, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can root for the O's to lose

But if that is the case, the game will not be on the radio, and it will not be on TV, dig?

When we got swept by the Rays…those were some boring days at work with no game.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Sep 17, 2008 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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