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Truthfully speaking, I hope we let Millar go

My fellow Americans,

Whatever.

In case you missed it because you've stopped giving a crap beyond checking the scores and watching the game if there is literally nothing else you could be doing, Jim Johnson is done for the year.

But that's not the real story. Johnson being shut down is meaningless unless he has some horrible injury. Also, on a site note, I've promoted Baltimo and NawlinsOriole to Crimson Guard status, which means they can post GameThreads on the front page proper-like if I'm throwing grills down cliffs, and if Señor Duck is teaching things, and if Stacey is busy meeting Kris Benson, and if Z is reprising his role as Dr. Enloe with The Sopranos: On Broadway!, and if 2632 is busy hyping political candidates. Because we all do those things. Totally.

Anyways... (get my Milch on!)

610x_medium Kevin Millar wants to stay in Baltimore. He "considers himself an Oriole," according to Dan Connolly's latest Millar PR piece:

"Truthfully speaking, I want to be here," Millar said. "I feel like everything is going in the right direction."

... "We have talked at great length and often about needing players that demonstrate energy, effort and enthusiasm," MacPhail said. "And, clearly, Kevin does all three in a big way and has been a tremendously positive influence."

... "Kevin has been great for us," second baseman Brian Roberts said. "He is somebody who has been important for this team in a lot of different ways. He has produced, for one. And two, his personality is something that I think this organization was lacking for a little while."

 

... "My job is to finish as strong as I can and hopefully they will want me back," he said. "I don't know their plans. Maybe they don't want me back. Then I would shake their hands, tell them thanks for the opportunity and then move on."

The article also mentions that Millar is the type of guy MacPhail wants on the Orioles. See, I want pretty much the exact opposite. Instead of "fun-loving, trash-talking, gear-grinding veteran" Millar, I would like a first baseman that can hit better than .243/.330/.412 (95 OPS+, 6.8 VORP, .262 EqA, -.030 MLVr).

It's not that I dislike Millar or his shenanigans or personality. On the contrary, I think he's a fabulous rah-rah guy and a wonderful cheerleader. He did some great stuff this year, and is a big reason this team was really fun to watch for a little while.

I'll always remember the 2008 Orioles Magic crew of Millar, Guthrie, Sherrill, Loewen, Jones and Sarfate. That was a fun bunch of guys, and the team genuinely seemed to buy into the whole thing whole-heartedly. When Brian Roberts says his personality was something missing from O's baseball, he's right. It had been too long since the team had a guy that was just pure fun and frenetic energy -- or as frenetic as someone that runs like Millar can be, anyway.

But where Roberts is wrong is in saying Millar has produced. He's been OK, for a stopgap guy that you have for one year until you find something better. Sadly, he's been running out there on the daily for three years now. Everything is down for him this season, and he's 36 years old. This has been his worst season in the majors.

We were lucky to get two mildly passable years out of him as a hitter, given the way he was hitting when he left Boston (more accurately, when Boston let him walk). This year it's not been the same story.

I like Kevin Millar. I'll always like Kevin Millar. The ALCS stunt last year was annoying, but it was easy to forgive him, because he plays his ass off and makes it hard to not like him, so long as he's on your team. But this team can't afford to have Millar out there every day in 2009. The cute competitive nature of the O's this season has died and the club is limping to the finish line the way they always do. We're 15 games under .500, 22 games out of first place, pretty much no different than ever before.

Now, considering how superb the division is and the expectations this club had, that's not so bad. But it's still bad. They're not good enough. And Millar is not going to help the team get better, no matter how many hot-foots and pie-faces he lays on the rookies or how many funny videos he organizes.

But as realistic as I'm trying to be about this, and as blunt as I want to be about the fact that I think bringing Millar back would be a horrible idea, it really does feel sort of like I'm putting down a dog that I love. I know it's time to say goodbye, but it's not the easiest thing in the world, either. It's a little bit sad, but old, declining, ineffective ballplayers are not the guys you rebuild with.

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"...old, declining, ineffective ballplayers are not the guys you rebuild with."

…so the chances of the Orioles keeping Millar, in historical terms, are very high. In fact, if he doesn’t move one way or another, that’ll be gnormously indicative of, y’know, just how much rebuilding the club is interested in, eh Petey?

And speaking of colonoscopies, the Yerks are completing their self-administered version nicely, with Sterling day by day becoming more devil-may-care in his pronouncements (e.g. “This is pathetic.”) Of course, getting drubbed by the hapless Mariners is pathetic, but Hank doesn’t pay people to say so.

But c’mon, Hankus, when your staff is led by the 1-2 punch of Moose and Skwirrel, er, Moose and Sid, really oughtta settle down with the Prozac, buddy. If Carl Pavano is the answer— God alone knows what the question was.

Tonight we have a winning starter going against the Tribe. I’m not kidding. And I feel an nice, messy 11-9er coming on to break the skid. Eat your heart out, Hank.

Go O’s!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Sep 8, 2008 8:33 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Kevin Millar

In fact, I think he’s pretty awesome. And I’ll be a little sad if he’s not on the team next year. But if he is on the team I’ll be livid.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 8, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...

definitely taken a shine to the fellow, and this takes into account the fact that i was ready to ride flanaquette on a rail when they first announced his signing. he can come back as a coach, but there is no way a role player/bench job can even be justified.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 8, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right on

Kevin Millar for third base coach. Criminy, I hate Juan Samuel.

by Brotz13 on Sep 8, 2008 10:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...

and is he supposed to be an infield coach, too? iirc, samuel had a cannon of an arm, but sort of stone hands.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 8, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

Juan is infield coach and T-Bone works with the OF. Considering the defensive wizardry of Cintron and Looie Hernandez this year, clearly #11 is earning his keep.

by Brotz13 on Sep 8, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heck, make him first base coach

and move Shelby over to third. That way Kevin can still jaw with everyone who gets on base.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 8, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know who will argue

My gut reaction is Millar is just trying to hang on and he’s going to say whatever it takes to get a contract. Hell, I absolutely love working where I am as well! when I talk to HR.

The Roberts quotes bring him to mind and whether he should be dealt. That is, assuming he even wants to stay.

by drj on Sep 8, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh...

I’ve never liked Millar. I won’t miss him when he’s gone.

by dkdc on Sep 8, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a bench player

He is just awful. In 111 AB’s as a pinch hitter:

24 H / .216 Avg / .338 OBP / .663 Slg / 2 HR / 6 2B

I could only see him being used as a right handed hitter off the bench, but he just is not good at that role. I’ll miss him, but his time is definitely up in Baltimore.

by PWubbs on Sep 8, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.663 SLG

is suppose to be .663 OPS, sorry about that.

by PWubbs on Sep 8, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But who will I scream "MILL-AH!" at in 2009?

Yep, he doesn’t get resigned if this club is truly working towards a 3-year playoff plan. I have no problem with him coming on as a coach. Hell, he’d probably be a great minor league instructor…who better than KevBo to teach the new Oriole Way?

If he gets resigned as a player for 2009, though, I’m done. It’s the last straw. Love the guy, but he’s done as a player.

I always say follow your dreams...even if they're about a giant spider with your father's head, and he keeps stealing your p*nis!

by Ghost of Floyd Rayford on Sep 8, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose we run Huff out there at first next year?

I think that might be the best option, unless they really think they can sign Teixeira. I dunno if Tex is a good idea or not.

Regardless, I agree. No more Millar.

by pipkin on Sep 8, 2008 12:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We damn well better trade Huff this offseason.

I’m pretty irate that it hasn’t happened yet.

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Sep 8, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

I’m not too optimistic that that will happen. I dunno. Somebody has to play there, anyway. Can Luke? Then Reimold (or Montanez, I guess) in left?

I mean, if you’re just going to trade Huff and then sign some other stopgap, why not keep Huff as the stopgap?

I dunno. Maybe I’m forgetting someone in the org who can play first?

by pipkin on Sep 8, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think Huff will get traded

If you let Millar walk and trade Huff, who plays 1st? Guess Luke could learn, or if Wieters starts ‘09 with the O’s and Ramon isn’t traded, he could play there. If I had to choose, I’d rather they find a taker for Ramon than Huff. Or sign a FA 1B, though besides Tex and Dunn (who is technically an OF), is there anyone worth spending the dough/losing a draft pick over? According to Cots, here is the list of pending FA 1Bs:

Rich Aurilia SF
Ben Broussard NYY
Carlos Delgado * NYM
Nomar Garciaparra LAD
Jason Giambi * NYY
Wes Helms PHI
Kevin Millar BAL
Richie Sexson NYY
Mark Teixeira LAA
Frank Thomas OAK
Jim Thome CWS
Daryle Ward CHC

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 8, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying

Dunn, Tex, and even Giambi are intriguing, but I dunno if they’ll be worth the money, given where the team is.

Thome and Thomas are old DH’s at thsi point.

Otherwise, I could see giving Sexson or somebody a minor league contract, but I doubt he’s got much left.

by pipkin on Sep 8, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huff

I’d be surprised if Huff gets traded as well. I just don’t believe there is much of market, which is too bad because while he has no function on a rebuilding team, you have to think he could help a contender.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Sep 8, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’s above replacement player, that’s about the only good thing about Millar. Next year, he might not even be that.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 8, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is he?

this year? i don’t think so.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 8, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Instead of “fun-loving, trash-talking, gear-grinding veteran” Millar, I would like a first baseman that can hit better than .243/.330/.412 (95 OPS+, 6.8 VORP, .262 EqA, -.030 MLVr).

I thought a positive VORP indicates above replacement players. No?

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmm...yeah

though, only garko has worse numbers for a 1b w/ more than 500 pa.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Sep 8, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, i think VORP just shows that Millar is slightly better than AAA fodder like Oscar Salazar.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 8, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Millar

Millar is emblematic of the Orioles in some respects. For an alleged rebuilding team, why do we have so many thirtysomething regulars? I mean, at least give guys like Scott Moore a chance to fail up here.

I just the malarkey about “energy” and “enthusiasm.” Maybe we should just hire Joe Morgan?

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Sep 8, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why do we have so many thirtysomething regulars?

Because last season offseason, they were seen as expensive and sucky. I remember posters calling for the outright release of all the vets which I thought was rash because of what’s happened with Huff and Mora. They’ve managed to restore some of their trrade value and could be traded for prospects. Of course, our idiotic FO has to want to trade Huff and Mora. Granted, if both of them are traded, they won’t bring back much, but at least it’s getting value out of them rather than simply releasing them.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 8, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

restored trade value

Aubrey Huff’s trade value will never be higher than it was a few weeks ago. And for some reason he is still on the team. I’m giving MacPhail this off-season to trade him, but something tells me he is going to be our starting DH next April and Nolan Reimold will be in Norfolk. And that’s annoying imo.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Sep 8, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

giving MacPhail this off-season to trade him, but something tells me he is going to be our starting DH next April and Nolan Reimold will be in Norfolk. And that’s annoying imo.

There are already rumblings that MacPhail doesn’t want to trade Huff and it’s stupid.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 8, 2008 6:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mora has a full, NTC, no?

Or at least partial.

This is why you don’t give old farts NTC’s, of course.

by pipkin on Sep 9, 2008 12:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate the thought process that some have

that because the Orioles finally manned up and admitted they were broken, suddenly they should just have a bunch of young kids playing and no old dudes. It’s just ludicrous. The O’s are like a 500 pound man who just started his diet. You don’t gain an extra 300 pounds over night and you’re not going to lose it overnight. There are still bad contracts that have to be dealt with, still old guys on the team who shouldn’t be, things that will go away with time. And as far as giving young guys a chance to fail, maybe if they were good. Scott Moore sucks. Costanzo sucks. Salazar sucks. The old guys aren’t blocking younger talent because there isn’t much younger talent to block.

The O’s are diseased and it’s going to take a long time to fix them. Firing everyone over 30 and bringing up a bunch of AAAA guys isn’t the way to go about it.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Sep 8, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

moore, costanzo and salazar

Yeah, I’m not excited about them either. And for every Carlos Pena, there are a hundred Hee Sop Chois. Not arguing that point. But when the manager lets Montanez ride the pines while Jay Payton gets all this playing time, it’s clear that the FO has to take steps and drop some of these guys. I have no problems keeping guys like Mora, Huff, Millar and Payton on the team assuming that the goal is to trade them at the deadline. But we didn’t trade any of those guys. Maybe we weren’t offered much, but there is probably good reason for that.

I’d like to see the Orioles competing in 2010. Giving at bats to Moore or Costanza or whomever at this point makes a lot more sense. Or we could just bring Millar back next year to team up with Mora and Huff and other guys who won’t be a part of the next winning Oriole team.

It just seems kind of pointless to me, especially if those guys aren’t traded…

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Sep 8, 2008 5:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couple Scenarios

Scenario #1: Millar leaves via Free Agency

Aubrey Huff would move to 1B full-time with Luke Scott moving DH where he could easily be platooned by a right-handed hitter without screwing up the defensive alignment. This puts Montanez/Reimold in left. If Reimold wins the job, Montanez is the platoon guy with Scott and the 4th outfielder, otherwise we would probably be stuck with Oscar Salazar or another AAAA type of right handed hitter on lefty pitching days.

The type of scenario that could happen with Millar leaving is a Scott/Montanez left field, Huff DH, and a Costanzo/Moore 1B. I am not sure which one would get the nod, but I think Costanzo may be out of options. Costanzo also had the better season.

Scenario #2: Huff is traded, Millar resigned.

This could very well happen, and I think it is the only way that Millar stays on the Orioles. Millar has a right handed bat while Costanzo/Moore/Scott are all lefty. I am not saying that is why we should keep him, but it gives him a slight edge to start over one of them at first base.

by PWubbs on Sep 8, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank You

This is the logical scenario. We have too many people in this LF, 1B, 3B triangle of stupidity. Millar is halarious, but he isn’t good, and we have more than enough players to get by without him. We have the platoon in left with Reimold and Montanez, Huff at 1B, Scott DH. Their common factor? They are good enough to play. Millar isn’t.

I think if nobody wanted to trade for Huff this season, then they never will. Hopefully he repeats his rigorous offseason training of strengthening his core and “not touching a bat” which somehow produced his best offensive season ever. He’s the 2nd best 3rd baseman in MLB this year, which is pretty scary considering the company. Weird stuff happens when you are drunk all the time.

by Dr. Giggles on Sep 8, 2008 5:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's academic

Andy MacP doesn’t exactly give Millar a ringing endorsement as a baseball player he likes the other things Millar contributes. To me this says “I’ve got other, bigger priorities in the offseason and there are only so many moves you can make at a time”.

If you are gonig to have an anurysm about Millar being on the team next year go ahead and have it now. He’s staying unless an opportunity comes up as part of a deal focussed on another position.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Sep 8, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everybody rooting for the Sawx tonight against the Rays, please raise your hands,

OK, hold on, let me get the abacus. Yeah, got it, uh-huh, carry the three…

A little higher in the back there, please. Sir, have you already been counted? Be honest now.

OK, just another minute here and we’ll be done. Yeah, there we go. And the total is…

1. Jeez, maybe the abacus needs new batteries.

Go Rays!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Sep 8, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who’s doing the pregame? Am I the only one here?

I always say follow your dreams...even if they're about a giant spider with your father's head, and he keeps stealing your p*nis!

by Ghost of Floyd Rayford on Sep 8, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Millar on the team or not..

is not that big of a deal. He’s not stopping anyone from pushing their way into the majors because no one’s really down there to challenge him at first.

Guy has a great glove, OK power, poor average.. unless we have something big possibly coming up, I don’t see why we shouldn’t keep him.

by Y Not on Sep 8, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You chase Teixeira or Dunn. Huff can play 1B for a year. First base defense is NICE (and I agree he’s pretty damn good) but it’s not the biggest thing in the world unless the dude over there is literally dropping throws to first. And that’s Millar’s biggest asset, I think, followed by “go team!” stuff.

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by SC on Sep 8, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With the collapse of pitching (something we're used to seeing)

Do the O’s really push for Teixeira? Or even Dunn? I have my doubts as the money will more likely be spread out across a couple uninspiring FA pitchers. I’m guessing MacPhail goes on the cheap to try to get another Benson-like guy or two and tries to save draft choices. That means Huff’s probability of being around next year go up, coupled with the fact there was no interest for him in the off season. Millar can still go.

by drj on Sep 9, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep him as a bench player

It gives the clubhouse some life which is quite useful. Just don’t play him ever, end of story.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 9, 2008 1:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 25 roster spots are all valuable. You can’t keep a dude around if he never gets to play.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Sep 9, 2008 5:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

if you keep him, you know dave is gonna play him.

by pipkin on Sep 9, 2008 9:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the only thing I'd worry about

I mean I’d rather have Millar on the bench than some other guy who hits slightly better than him, the only trouble is that Trembley would give Millar playing time.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Sep 9, 2008 11:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Millar’s bat is acceptable for a bench player. But he’s not versatile enough for a bench player since he can’t pinch run or play a number of different positions. Plus he’s bitch and moan about being a bench player.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 9, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we can't get Texiera or Dunn...

SIGN DAN JOHNSON IN THE OFFSEASON!

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Sep 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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