"Random Thoughts" post / Open Thread
Andy and Koji! Koji Koji Koji!
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About 11 hours ago, Yahoo! Sports went and ran with an article that said the following:
It could explain why Barry Bonds’ attorneys believe the grand jury questions to him were impossibly vague and why the focus of the BALCO case veered from prosecuting distributors of illegal anabolic steroids and money launderers to catching world-class athletes lying about drug use.Taking the Clear – the star drug of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative – was not a crime, according to expert testimony included in grand jury documents.
Not only was the performance-enhancing drug tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) not specifically banned when athletes squirted "The Clear" under their tongues to gain an edge, the testimony also indicates that the drug wasn’t categorized by the Justice Department as a steroid until January 2005, long after the drug laboratory had been shuttered.
So that's that!
The Angels and Chone Figgins agreed to a one-year deal worth a little less than $6 million for a guy who had a .685 OPS last season.
The Cubs hope someone will buy the team. I'm hoping they don't waste my time by going to the playoffs next season.
Rick Reilly, super genius and best guy on the planet who's never done a bad thing, hates tattoos, and wants to remind you that JOSH HAMILTON TOOK DRUGS, has recently discovered beer pong.
John Smoltz says the Braves took him for granted, hoping to immediately clear his name with likely angry or bitter Atlanta fans that are pissed off that he signed with Boston for 2009. He could be a man's man and accept that people are going to hate him in Atlanta for the short-term, but he's also probably telling the truth. Or maybe he's 42 and starting the season on injury rehab and the Braves didn't have the resources or time to F around with that. You make up your own mind.
Yankees president Randy Levine won't be fighting the dorky Assemblyman that challenged him to a fist fight. Let me tell you what, gang, in MY view, nobody should ever pay for sports stadiums except for sports teams, blahr blahr blahr. Maybe the Yankees should've moved.
Elijah Dukes might go to jail. He's a hoot.
Back to stadiums: Bud Selig will let the Oakland A's talk to other cities about a new stadium if Fremont doesn't quickly approve one. Yeah, good time to push for a $500 million stadium, Bud. You're a f---ing champion of the world.
Fatty Bartolo Colon will get some sort of tryout with the White Sox. Guess who's coming to Twins spring training dinner? Luis Matos, Hands of Fate.
Andruw Jones will be totally released this morning. It was a hell of a run and ya gave it your best shot, Andy. Actually it wasn't and you didn't.
If you missed it, Rocco Baldelli signed with the Red Sox, too. And Paul Byrd decided he's the new David Wells.
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The Angels will say Chone Figgins fills a need
and helps them play ball the way they like to play it. I’m not saying that style of play is stupid, I’m just saying they can find somebody much cheaper to do the same exact things Chone does.
I think Tony Reagins feels like something big had to be done this offseason to make up to the fans the Angels being blown out in the Texeira sweepstakes, even if much fault didn’t lie with the Angels in this case. Offseason actitvity for offseason activity’s sake.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jan 15, 2009 8:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dukes can't afford $40 grand?
Boy, three-quarters of a million dollars must not go as far as it used to.
Maybe he should just send his wife a picture message of a stack of cash.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jan 15, 2009 8:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
On another note....
anyone else looking forward to “Defiance”? I think it will be way better than Valkarie…
How could he be doing his job when he didn't throw me out of the game after the things I called him?
On arguing with ump Russ Goetz.
Mark Henry Belanger
by Birdland in NC on Jan 15, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking forward to Daniel Craig, in whatever format is available.
"AY STRANG, AT BOY MARLO SCOOPIN UP ALL THE FREE AGENTS"
by 2632 on Jan 15, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Cruise fucking sucks
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
by exitfare on Jan 15, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Cruise
… is the de-facto scientology bitch.
by MurraysLaw on Jan 16, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lotta holocaust movies these days
the only one i really want to see is The Reader
by pipkin on Jan 16, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kate Winslet
gettin’ it on with a teenager? Well, at least she’s naked.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jan 17, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she can act
she was fantastic in Revolutionary Road
by pipkin on Jan 17, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tp actresses today
1. Kate Winslet
2. Jennifer Connelly
3. Julianne Moore
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jan 17, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Budrick really gets it, doesn't he?
I never understood why Fremont was such a good landing spot anyway. I remember seeing a YouTube video where an A’s fan described it as a “parking lot with a mayor”, which cracked me up.
Also, since this thread mentions Koji AND Matos, let me just say that I’m looking forward to two years of Bawlmer fans struggling to pronounce “Ooo-eh-ara”. I was at a game a few years back and heard the woman in front of me cheering for “May-TOCE” when he came to bat. Heh.
by Brotz13 on Jan 15, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Most of California is a parking lot with a mayor
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
by exitfare on Jan 15, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if this has been posted.
Schmuck’s latest blog article basically says no Dunn. No surprise, but I did like the part about no big expenditures during the “developmental” phase of the rebuilding. The 2009-2010-2011-??? slogan will be “Watch Us Develop and Please Come to Some Games!”. That’s better than a decade of “Watch Us Suck”. I’ve been wondering if MacPhail will really be around for any later phases of this plan.
by drj on Jan 15, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What would really be great
is if Schmuck wasn’t around. The name says it all.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jan 15, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That guy really is a
dumb and irritating individual. Even if he was a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer who knew all, I still wouldn’t like him simply for the fact that his last name is something I used to call people that I didn’t care for. I can’t believe that guy gets paid (likely a handsome salary) to keep us so well ‘informed’…
"...that our flag was still there...OOOOOO say does that star spangled..."
by sickuvitall on Jan 15, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably gets paid crap.
But that doesn’t make him much less irritating or much more informative.
"AY STRANG, AT BOY MARLO SCOOPIN UP ALL THE FREE AGENTS"
by 2632 on Jan 15, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
que
There are some guys that while they may help you win a couple more games in 2009, are they really going to help you advance the goal in the big picture?" he said. "So that’s one of the things we have to balance.
So if the focus is on beyond the here and now (as it should be), why did we sign Uehara? Why aren’t we being more aggressive in improving the organization for 2010 and beyond?
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by dfa on Jan 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arguably
Building bridges to Japan does help us for 2010 and beyond, and Uehara is relatively cheap for someone who’s been through the whole posting process. If it gives us an inroad to sign the next Matsuzaka or Suzuki in 2011, I’m all for it.
by punkrawka on Jan 15, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
True, but I would’ve gone after the kid the Sox signed…some 23 year old…
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by dfa on Jan 15, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was a different case
He signed cheap w/ the red sox because he knew he wanted to play there. The rangers offered more money, but since the sox had dice-k and okajima he signed there.
"Hats for bats, keep bats warm." Pedro Cerrano
by wscott on Jan 15, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
Now I have to hate Rocco Baldelli.
"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."
by spike2131 on Jan 15, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll give him a break
I think he’s from Rhode Island so he just wants to come home. I try to seperate my hatred for a team with my feelings about individuals on that team. There are obvious numerous exceptions, but I try to stick to it.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jan 15, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rocco is okay in my book
Red Sock or not. I don’t even think I can bring myself to hate Smoltz, either. I’ll reserve my hatred for the retarded man-baby Youkilis and the whiny “gamer” Pedroia. They at least deserve it.
by PhilR8 on Jan 15, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am ok
with Youkilis and Pedroia being the new faces that breed hatred among O’s fans. Those two exemplify the current status of Boston and its front-running fans from throughout the world.
Hey I have an idea, let’s cheer for whatever team is doing good at the time, no matter where we are located!! I love how before 2003 I could count the number of Boston fans that I knew on one hand. Boy has that changed with a few WS titles.
And no, I don’t enjoy the consistent losing and futility of being an O’s fan…but at least I am true to my heart and my geographic location. F the PHN!!
"...that our flag was still there...OOOOOO say does that star spangled..."
by sickuvitall on Jan 15, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Those two exemplify the current status of Boston and its front-running fans from throughout the world."
Why, because they’re on the team? Or are you trying to say they are somehow “frontrunners” themselves? I don’t get this, it just sounds like irrational hate toward players you’d probably love if they were wearing the laundry you root for
by oriolez on Jan 15, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they are white players
boston loves itself some white guys
by pipkin on Jan 16, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so my original post
may lack substance or a connection b/w those 2 and the PHN fans. I simply just felt like taking a shot at something that I can’t stand.
Sorry, but don’t ask me to use rationale when it comes to this shit. I guess I chose them cause they are quickly becoming the face of that franchise, so in that regard, they exemplify the team, not the fanbase.
Enough!! As much as I love this message board, there is too much MFY and PHN defending here at CC!! Someone always has to get on me about why I am being so ‘irrational’ about my feelings towards these shitheads. I will say this only once: fuck the Yankees and fuck the Red Sox and all their players and fans and former players and fans and their loved ones and pets as well!
"...that our flag was still there...OOOOOO say does that star spangled..."
by sickuvitall on Jan 16, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck the Yankees and fuck the Red Sox and all their players and fans and former players and fans and their loved ones and pets as well!
This is awesome.
by birdman on Jan 16, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This I can get
I don’t know why people so often need to rationalize their hatred for a particular team through weird and factually inaccurate justifications. Seems like a waste of time. And fuck the Orioles while I’m at it!
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jan 16, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if the former players wind up playing for the Orioles?
"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."
by SC on Jan 17, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they suck, fuck em. If they’re good, they’re at least acceptable.
"fuck the Yankees and fuck the Red Sox and all their players and fans and former players and fans and their loved ones and pets as well!" sickuvitall
by birdman on Jan 17, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then they should avoid
doing such things as throwing out the first pitch for their FORMER team, and I will accept them into Birdland!!
"...that our flag was still there...OOOOOO say does that star spangled..."
by sickuvitall on Jan 17, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m able to rationalize my dislike for the player by telling myself that only a person of low moral character would sign with that team. For whatever reason, it works for me.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 15, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rocco
I can’t believe this is all it took to get him:
Baldelli will earn a base salary of $500,000, but there are several performance incentives, many of which are built around plate appearances. For example, that salary doubles if Baldelli winds up making 350 plate appearances, which is certainly conceivable.
He’s exactly the type of player a bad team should be pursuing…we paid Jay Payton $10M to suck, but won’t guarentee Rocco a million?
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Jan 15, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
The guy has played like eight games in three years and he might as well have a disease so rare they named it Rocco Baldelli’s Disease.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jan 15, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well actually
those incentives are worth 5-7 million if I remember, which is why the O’s are passing on incentive type contract offers in a season when they dont really feel they will compete.
“His contract also has significant bonuses based on plate appearances that could push the value of the deal as high as $7.5-million, though that is unlikely since it would require him playing everyday”
by sanders833 on Jan 16, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any day on which Rawko becomes a Sawko is a great one! Way to go, PHN!!!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jan 17, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Paul Byrd story
aging junkballer doesn’t want to be at the back end of the rotation for competitive teams that made him “very nice offers”, doesn’t want to be the top dog on the staff of a weak team either. Homie, you’re only Paul Byrd
by oriolez on Jan 15, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And his wife is a life coach!
A what? AND he was addicted to pornography! Gotta love Paul Byrd.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jan 15, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe his wife should be coaching him
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
by exitfare on Jan 15, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're in here
for some porn? Boo this man!!
by blawk359 on Jan 16, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds
me of the scene where Dave Chappelle has to go to rehab for weed in Half Baked and Bob Sagat stands up and says somethign along the lines of sucking c@ck for rock.
Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark
by BPinOK on Jan 16, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Garland turns down 4 mill
bet he wishes he had taken arbitration.
And maybe its worth a phone call at that price. We should be making a phone call to Garland, Wolf, Perez and even Sheets.
Why cant we offer Sheets some incentive laden three year deal? The guy is still young enough to be a legit ace for the transition period. Why not 10 mill, with a 25 start kicker to lock it up for 2010, and same for 2011. 3 year, 10 mill guaranteed first year, moves to 12 in year two and three.
Of course, I can save this typing. We arent calling Sheets (or anyone) including Dunn cause we arent spending money in 2009. Maybe the Orioles are setting up for a situation like 2002 when they were the only teams spending (Tejada, Lopez, Vlad should have been) for 2010 or 2011. The difference is this team should have some significant influx of minor league talent coming by then. But damn that feels like a long way off. Atlanta and Cleveland havent just said we are rebuilding this offseason. The O’s look like they conceded 2009 is hopeless and just are going to sit on the wallet. I cant say its wrong, but if the economy is going to make Adam Dunn a 9 million a year player I mean cant we call him? At that price he can slide right in Huff’s spot and be part of the PLAN if we sign him to three years or more and I dont see that impacting much of anything.
by sanders833 on Jan 16, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You make some good points
And Atlanta’s made some quality moves, but Cleveland would probably be better off rebuilding. Their big gets were Kerry Wood, Carl F. Pavano, and Mark DeRosa. Wood is a good pickup IF healthy, and we all know what the odds are of that. I’m not blown away by anything the Indians have done.
by Brotz13 on Jan 16, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Cleveland's moves coupled
with a great chance to get some solid production from Travis Hafner, Victor Martinez and Fausto Carmona.
Really Chicago has gone backwards this offseason, Minn has done nothing, Detroit has made a couple of marginal moves and KC has made a bunch or rockhead moves in my opinion.
Cleveland’s bullpen was a dark hole last year. Move Janson Lewis to setup, Betancourt has his odd year revival, Rafael Perez is a lights out lefty and the reliever they got from the Mets is solid.
The rotation is a little light but who’s isnt in that division? Cliff Lee, Carmona, Scott Lewis/Anthony Reyes, Pavano, Laffey, Sowers and Adam Miller and David Huff not to far away in the minors. I assume nothing from Jake Westbrooke.
They should be right in the race all year.
by sanders833 on Jan 16, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota doesn't need to make any moves
They have alot of guys that will do nothing but get better. Nick Blackburn and Denard Span come to mind. I like the Twins in the AL central.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jan 17, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
minnesota’s rotation is fucking bananas.
"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."
--Jerry Reed, on acting
by j.q. higgins on Jan 17, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really
Minn needs a legit set up man and is very dependent on two guys Perkins and Blackburn who I feel really wont hold up nearly as well. Offensively they have added nothing. Fooling yourself that you need to do nothing means someone just passed you by most likely.
by sanders833 on Jan 17, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Neshek is a tough loss
but i never bought the concept that you needed to spend money in free agency or someone will pass you by. Haven’t the Twins been proving that idea wrong the entire decade?
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jan 17, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
well run conceptually but boy they seem to struggle with the year to year fine tuning….I mean last year Craig Monroe and Livan Hernandez.
This year there is a ton of cheap talent out there. Now they may have time to adjust yet…Wiggington looks like a perfect fit….and considering they offered Blake two years at 14 mill….Adrian Beltre would fit them nice….Garret Atkins….
Not talking major free agent signings but some fine tuning, whether trade, free agent, etc. Shoot, you could make the argument the Rays didnt need to do anything but they added carefully and economically. I just think Minn might be letting a chance to build onto what they have slip away and that would be unfortunate.
So conceptually they have the big picture right, its they seem to miss on the fine tuning aspect almost every year. Last year it cost them a playoff spot say by using Livan Hernandez to long, Lirianno not soon enough (he probably went five starts to long in the minors) and of course the Delmon Young trade didnt work but at least they dealt from strength (pitching) to fix a weakness. That just didnt work.
I could write a term paper on Delmon Young. He needs a new approach at the plate. Matter of fact him and Andruw Jones need to forget everything they know about hitting and start over again.
by sanders833 on Jan 18, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't you lose a pick for Garland?
Dunno if its worth it.
by pipkin on Jan 16, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's a Type B
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 16, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Community Projections
Since this is such an active group of O’s fans, I just wanted to let you all know that Beyond The Box Score is putting together community projections for each team.
I’m keeping track of the O’s projections, and would appreciate the input from you all.
So far I’ve got them as a 78 win club – even with the seemingly modest improvements made thus far.
by KakesForROY on Jan 16, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
78 wins with this pitching staff really seems optimistic. Beyond the Box Score is a great site.
by birdman on Jan 16, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
70 wins...max.
"...that our flag was still there...OOOOOO say does that star spangled..."
by sickuvitall on Jan 16, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Their pythagorean was 72 last year
I don’t see them being significantly worse. I’d say their perfect world, everything works out scenario would be around 81-ish. My prediction right now is 75. Of course, we need more than 1 competant pitcher to get there, but we only had one competant pitcher last year, so…
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 16, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before I get jumped on...
BTW, I’m not saying there is a very good chance of this team winning 81 games; that’s just my sunny day prediction.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 16, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
huff and mora
I think both will regress some, perhaps significantly in Mora’s case, and I think Huff will return to career norms.
I think we are looking at 72 win team.
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by dfa on Jan 16, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about both Huff and Mora
But I would hope that AJ provides more offense and that Wieters/Zaun provides more production than Hernandez (both offensively and defensively). To me, the offense is realistically a wash, and optomistically slightly better.
And you’re getting some of the young pitchers back. Their run differential last year was -81. So if they can lower than RA by a half run, they are a 500 team. Its unlikely they’ll get quite that level of improvement, but it wouldn’t exactly be shocking either.
My main point was this isn’t a max 70 win team.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 16, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AJ, Markakis, Wieters
should all improve. Fair point. I’ve just been jaded a smidge by the last 11 years.
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by dfa on Jan 16, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
depends
The O’s 2009 record depends on pitching. We were basically a 500 team during the first half of 2008 when the pitching was fairly solid. In the second half, after the pitching tanked, the O’s couldn’t buy a win. If Koji pans out, a big if, and if one of the other pitchers Liz, Olson, Penn, Patton, is at least decent, the O’s could approach 80 wins. But, if we reprise August and September 2008 the Os are a 60 win team.
by BaltoBen on Jan 17, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
depends on a lot
my first concern is that the Yankees have reloaded their pitching staff and added Tex. Now its not a given that AJ Burnett and CC will win anymore games then Andy Pettitte and Moose (34) but if Wang, Joba and pitcher X can win more then Wang, Kennedy and Hughes (8) did last year the Yanks are going to add quite a few wins. Tex should also be good for a couple of wins.
After looking at the market I think the Yankees will sign Juan Cruz since they are the only team that wouldnt surrender a draft pick (well if you consider a fourth rounder problamatic). Add him into Joba’s old role and the Yanks should be hard to beat. Rivera, Posada and Burnett staying healthy along with more age decline by Jeter, Damon and Matsui could still be a large issue.
Boston and Tampa both have starting staffs that stretch to 9-10 guys counting minor leaguers ready to join the roster. Boston has quietly upgraded their pen (Saito, Ramon Ramirez) and added Smoltz and Penny. Tampa has added Nelson, Cormier, Joyce (for Jackson), Burrell and I think will get nice rebounds from Crawford and Upton. Price will be up all year (unless Tampa decided he could close at some point if that remains a problem) and there are three or four arms salivating for a spot in the minors.
Baltimore must have starting pitching. There is no fluke to the Aug/Sept declines that have been prevalent the entire decade. Its a simple pattern. The starters dont go deep in games, the bullpen is overworked, the starters and bullpen begin to breakdown and pitchers are expedited from the minors, the teams in contention make moves to get better in July (the Orioles dont), the hitting wanes and the pitching worsens as the team moves late into the season facing many team with playoff aspirations and the goodwill created during the season evaporates for both the players and the fans.
I think the future is obviously going to be all the pitching prospects we have and if Andy wants to see what he has I cant disagree. But I wouldnt mind seeing one more solid rotation arm here. There is nothing wrong with say Jeremy, Koji and new acquisition with two spots for Olsen, Liz, Patton, Albers, Burres, Penn, Hendrickson, Hennesghy to fight for. Kam and Sarfate are going to fight for a spot. I have no problem if Olson, Liz, Patton, Albers, and Kam have to go down and pitch their way back. Lets see them dominate the minors before we hand them a job. We need to know if Sarfate and Penn can pitch since they are out of options so they will probably be on the staff unless they are just dreadful.
But if would be nice to go into the season with at least two legit arms and maybe three if Koji pans out. It may seem crowded but attritrition hits every year. But if we could just have three starters with 150-180 possibly much better then average we could preserve the pen and allow the pitchers to have the oportunity to learn at the minor league level and FORCE their way on to the major league roster.
Sorry to ramble.
by sanders833 on Jan 17, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your analysis sanders, but
this stuff about an overworked bullpen seems suspect. I fail to understand how major league pitchers being paid handsome salaries can get ‘overworked’ by pitching to a few batters every few days. Bullpens have so many situational pitchers and role players that limit the amount of work that each one gets.
I mean seriously, take Jamie Walker for example. He normally pitches to two or three batters max, and does not throw everyday. The man earns a few million dollars per year, and people want to tell me that this person is ‘overworked’…I just don’t buy it.
If pitching every few days is too much for these guys, then perhaps a career change should be in order. Go work at a bank or something, cause Lord knows they don’t do shit!
"...that our flag was still there...OOOOOO say does that star spangled..."
by sickuvitall on Jan 17, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
throwing a baseball
does incredible violence to your arm. you’re basically attempting to dislocate your shoulder every time you throw a pitch.
the overwork refers to damage to connective tissue and bone in your arm, hips, legs, and back, as well as the muscles.
by pipkin on Jan 17, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Pitching is a remarkably unnatural motion. There is nothing good, health-wise, that comes of it.
"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."
by SC on Jan 18, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken.
Everything you say is true. But how is it that durable starters can go over 200 innings, but many relievers will never break 50 in their best year? I understand that the preparation is different, but we have seen starters go to the pen and penners go to the start. I just think that, considering the salary thing, asking relievers to go a little extra here and there is not unreasonable. Of course, I am neither a major league pitcher or medical professional, so I likely have no idea what I am saying.
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by sickuvitall on Jan 18, 2009 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Relievers get overworked simply
by getting up in the bullpen every day and warming up (sometime multiple times) to come in a game say 3-4 games in a row even if they dont pitch. Those are the hidden “innings” you dont see whether they come into a game or not. It pretty much also describes the Oriole situation. This leads to less or no “recovery” time and ineffectiveness and/or greater chance of injury.
Why is it some go fifty others 200? Some is conditioning, how much the arm can bear. Some pitchers can only maintain optimum performance for an inning or two because they rely so much on one pitch, matchups or they simply wear down faster. That is a simple answer. But its really almost something that goes case by case. Three classic examples-Gossage, Eck and Smoltz. Gossage was a failed starter and Eck and Smoltz could do both. So its not always either or. Eck started to lose the ability to go those 200 innings as did Smoltz in terms of health. Jim Johnson is a converted starter, so he could do both but which can he do better?
You dont think its a coincidence that Sherill, Walker, Johnson all had sore arms/shoulders? The year before Baeys and Ray. Some bad luck but also the up and down nature of the Orioles pen. Think about the O’s pen in August/Sept-Sherril out, Johnson out. Walker was obviously hurt. There was nothing left out there.
Watch how the Red Sox “baby” Papelbon. Sometimes they wont even get him up if they have used him back to back. The Orioles may actually have that luxury this year. I think the pen of Sherril, Ray, Johnson, Walker and Kam (who should be a larger version of Chad Bradford) with swingmen is damn good. But the usage has to be protected some. That is where the starters come in, more quality innings leads to less warmups and clearer definition in the pen.
I am working on being more concise but its not a strength.
by sanders833 on Jan 18, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good points
Especially about the hidden innings. I would wonder if there aren’t certain teams that are better at getting the most out of their relievers…be it reducing injuries, reducing the constantly getting up and down, etc. It seems like this would be an area where there could be an opportunity for one of those “market inefficiencies.” I remember a few years back when Flanagan took over, one of the things he wanted to do was reduce the number of OOGYs the Orioles had and I actually thought this was a phenomenal idea as it seems like it was against the grain a bit and would create an opportunity for the Orioles do have a deeper bench and thusly allowing the manager to put players in the position to succeed if they do one thing well (like the Roenicke/Lowenstein platoon). Of course, it never happened, at least as far as I could tell.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Jan 19, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon my igorance
What is an OOGY?
by BaltoBen on Jan 19, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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