Roberts to the Chicago...White Sox?!

by Dr Orpheus on Jan 2, 2009 8:36 PM EST Comment 32 comments

Roch is reporting that the Os might be working on a trade with the White Sox for Gavin Floyd and, possibly, another prospect. This is the kind of deal I've been waiting to hear about. Something believable. Much of the Olson to the Cubs for Pie or whomever really didn't make much sense as the Os would be giving up on a young starter who could still turn it around for a failed prospect or two. It just never made sense. Floyd, however, makes perfect sense. With spots in the rotation open, and Floyd a solid #2 or 3, this just works.

Yes, there's going to be a hole at second, but that's where Freel fits in. The guy can lead off and play second much of the time, with perhaps Murphy or another guy taking over if that doesn't work. So, that hole's not so much a hole as it is a stop gap.

There's going to be much assuming that the White Sox could package Floyd, from Mount St. Joe and a 17-game winner last season, and either Brandon Allen (1B) or Chris Getz (2B). I'm fine with either, and think that trading Roberts for Floyd, straight up, doesn't make much sense for the Os.

What say ye, CC?

Update:
Roch has just explained his rational for believing this trade will take place and the logic behind the Os going after bot Floyd and Getz.

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If we get Floyd, it’s a good deal. I can’t wait to see him strike out Teixeira.

by mystery tramp on Jan 2, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

I think we won't do it for just Floyd

Trading one for one doesn’t seem to be Andy’s style. Still, I like to hear that he’s working the angles and looking to move Roberts rather than just talking about extending him (I don’t think there’s any chance of that). I’d like to see at least two players in return, though. After looking at the guys you mentioned I could probably handle either one.

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by KenDixonFanClub on Jan 2, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

still we are starting to run out of options

four years of Floyd and maybe another prospect (I still like Clayton Richard) but I doubt we can get both for a guy who has probably already whispered his decision in Andy’s ear…I really like Danks better then Floyd but then I suspect so does Kenny Williams…

I assume Kenny Williams is going to want a quick decision as he is probably going to have to sign a free agent pitcher or deal someone…he is already down Javy Vazquez, now Floyd and Contreras until mid year

by sanders833 on Jan 2, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you may very well be right

but Andy doesn’t pull the trigger quickly, and I just don’t know if I see him trading 1 for 1.

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by KenDixonFanClub on Jan 2, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you are right

about Andy, but he has been trying to trade Brian for a year now so he has to really know what the market is and I have to believe he has to know now what Brian’s thoughts are on staying….time to fire.

by sanders833 on Jan 2, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Way to good to be true

3-4 years of Floyd for one year of Roberts? That doesn’t sound right. We’ll probably have to throw in another prospect.

by birdman on Jan 2, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

what I suspect

is Kenny Williams thinks Gavin may have outperformed a bit last year so trade him on top…still I agree to get a legit arm (Floyd was a first rounder) for Roberts and expect more is hard to believe unless you really dont have that much faith in Floyd.

I rather have Clayton Richard (to take the same role Hendrickson signed for) and see if he cant break through as well. Richard had a dynamic outing in the playoffs against Tampa in relief. I dont think Getz is really that good and I cant quite comment on Allen. I would take the two pitchers and put the payroll savings from trading Brian into a free agent bridge pitcher like Wolf, Oliver Perez or one of the Japanese hurlers since the 2009 outlay would be slight and in 2010 we have plenty of payroll flexibility.

by sanders833 on Jan 2, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure I agree with you

Brian Roberts is, easily, one of the top 5 second basemen in the game, and if the Orioles traded him you’d expect two, good to high level prospects in return, even if he only has one season left.

by Dr Orpheus on Jan 2, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Andy tried that last year

No one bit. Again, I’ll take what I can get because I want something from Brian before 2013.

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by Baltimo on Jan 3, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and if the Orioles traded him you’d expect two, good to high level prospects in return, even if he only has one season left.

Gavin Floyd isn’t a prospect. B-Rob is one of the best 2B in the game but he’s only under control for on year. If Williams wants to do Gavin for Roberts straight up and Andy hasn’t pulled the trigger, Andy is a fucking idiot.

by birdman on Jan 3, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed....

…if we get Floyd alone for Roberts out of this, I’d be amazed.

by Jonny Pops on Jan 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

The rumors of Brian leaving Baltimore only exist because BRob wants to go to a contender. If Chicago puts together a pretty solid season next year, the White Sox should be able to entice Brian into signing a contract.

Brian is so valuable because he is a speedy leadoff hitter who can steal bases. This fall, I highly doubt Roberts is going to get a huge contract because he is going to be 32 years old. Make no mistake, Brian should be able to reel in some real cash, but it’s not like the Sox will be severely outbid.

Nothing indicates that Andy would ever give up Brian and a prospect for a single 2/3 pitcher. Although two draft picks will be a nice parting gift from BRob, those kids look to pan out by 2013 at the earliest. Although I can be patient, five seasons is pushing it.

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by Baltimo on Jan 3, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Beware.

Kenny Williams doesn’t trade good, inexpensive pitchers. If he is willing to trade Floyd, he believes last year was a fluke. Recent pitchers KW has traded. Freddy Garcia. Brandon McCarthy. J. Garland. Were any of these pitchers successful for their new teams?

by Rick B on Jan 2, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Garland?

Success is a relative term, and one could make the argument by looking at superficial stats like Ws that Garland was successful in LA. I think Garland isn’t very good and all, but he’s better than the others listed.

But your point is valid.

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by dfa on Jan 3, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is the kind of deal I'm looking for

Although the O’s are probably shorting themselves merely because Floyd is from Maryland, Gavin is the perfect type of player. A 26 year old pitcher, plus a prospect or two, is much more promising than a 31 year old second baseman who relies on his speed.

I’d like another prospect currently sitting at AAA/AA with a decent ceiling, yet still proven, to go along with Floyd, but at this point, anything would be good for Brian if we’re hoping to compete before 2013.

I doubt this will go down, though, because Andy will most certainly not give up Brian for a single player. I’d be content with Floyd + a nice chunk of cash, but a prospect would just be icing.

I’m just throwing this out there, but a guy like Chris Getz would be a nice throw in. He kind of reminds me of Nolan Reimold in that he is a guy who caps out as an above average infielder, and floors as a utility player.

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by Baltimo on Jan 3, 2009 12:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Aaaand I'm an idiot

Not only has Getz been discussed in this very thread, but Roch mentioned him as well. I got too excited by the prospect of Brian finally being traded.

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by Baltimo on Jan 3, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

don't worry

Brian won’t get traded before the season or at the trade deadline, and inexplicably he’ll pass waivers in August and still not get traded. He’s a fawkin tease that way…

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by dfa on Jan 3, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This has to be BS

4 years of Floyd > 1 year of Roberts + draft picks. It really isn’t all that close, which is why I’d be surprised if it happened.

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by dfa on Jan 3, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

By the way

I definitely wouldn’t mind the O’s throwing in a guy like Bergesen or even Britton so as to ease Chicago’s fears.

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by Baltimo on Jan 3, 2009 3:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

On second thought

I’d hate to see Britton leave the organization, so I’ll change that to Bergesen or Beato. Hell, they can have both.

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by Baltimo on Jan 3, 2009 3:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still shocked we're talking about Roberts going to a team not named "Cubs".

Floyd + another > 1 yr of Roberts. Maybe not for Chicago, but for us it certainly is. We aren’t going to contend with Roberts. But we do need all the young arms we can get, and if The Trio are truly ready to rise, say, next year, it would be nice to have 2 legit #2’s in the rotation already to anchor shit down.

2010:
=
Guthrie
Floyd
Matusz
Tillman
Arrieta

You could be watching that rotation in some order or another for four years before someone (Guts) got replaced.

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by OEutaw on Jan 3, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

And The Schumcker doesn't like getting scooped...

Pete – Roch’s hearing rumors about B. Roberts for G. Floyd. What are you hearing about this possible trade? Thanks

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Pete’s reply: Good for Roch. I haven’t heard anything.

Wow, gracious answer there, Pete.

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by duck on Jan 3, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

Ha

That’s pretty funny.

by dkdc on Jan 3, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Schmuck is unhappy with Roch taking the bloom off his bullshit “Richie Sexson” rose.

by zknower on Jan 3, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think people are overrating Floyd a bit

He had a nice year last year, but he was terrible in the past, and even after last year his career ERA is barely under 5.

Roberts is definitely a more valuable player for 2009.

That said, Floyd does look to be a #3/#4 starter going forward, and he has enough future value that targeting him as the centerpiece of the deal is OK with me.

I assume MAcPhail would want 3-4 other guys. Getz would be an obvious fit, along with a couple C pitchers from Sickels list.

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by dkdc on Jan 3, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

But Roberts is GONE after 2009

Do we want return for him or not? If we wait until July 31, the return will be negligible for a 2-month rental.

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by duck on Jan 3, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

way way overrating him

I don’t trust Floyd at all

by pipkin on Jan 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

Floyd isn’t a 17 win pitcher every season. But if Roberts is guaranteed to bolt after 2009, I think it would be the beginnings for a fair deal.

As duck said, Robert’s value plummets like a rock if the O’s wait until the trading deadline. Last year, Braves only got Casey Kotchman (who I guess is comparable in value to Gavin Floyd) for Mark Teixeira.

Floyd + Getz for Roberts + pitching prospect or two would be a pretty nice deal in my estimation.

by UMterp08 on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

on second thought, Chris Getz isnt that good. Maybe another prospect from the white Sox would make it a little more even

by UMterp08 on Jan 3, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Floyd isn’t a 17 win pitcher every season.

Neither is anyone else in baseball. Roy Halladay, for instance, has won 17 or more games exactly once in the last five years. That bum Johan Santana has done it twice in the last five.

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by SC on Jan 4, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also...

Would anyone put our lineup up against the Sox’s lineup for comparison? Wins and losses are all about run support, not just pitching. I think our lineup would pale in comparison… especially after putting BRob in the Sox’s lineup.

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by Birdland in NC on Jan 4, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs