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Your 2009 Baltimore Orioles starting rotation hopefuls

The starting rotation isn't starting to take shape at all, but potential suitors for rotation spots are starting to turn up. Let's take a look at the gentlemen who will vie for positions taking the ball every five days.

As odd as it may seem to an outsider that hears "one guy in the rotation from last year," we haven't really LOST anyone besides Daniel Cabrera, which I now skeptically look at as a mistake (we'll get more into that), and sort of Adam Loewen, who was finished as a pitcher in May of 2008 anyway.

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The Master Lock: Jeremy Guthrie, RH

"Take a hike, Rick. I got this."

Jeremy Guthrie (10-12, 3.63/1.23) is the only guy we've got heading into spring training that has a rotation spot locked up, at least as it stands right now. No one else is even close to having a spot locked up, in fact.

This is dangerous. It's dangerous because even when accepting another losing season with the idea of rebuilding surrounding it all, you're basically telling the fanbase that you're hucking up prayers from half-court four days out of five. I'm not trying to say we can't find some consistency and reliability and real spark from some of our younger arms -- there's a decent chance of that happening. There's also a good chance that nobody gets much better, and it's a complete disaster out there.

Jeremy Guthrie's won-loss record reflected the team he played for in 2008, and it will do so again in 2009. And just like last year, there's a distinct possibility he's the only guy in the rotation that won't make you pull your f---ing hair out all the time.

Kind of a crap position for Guthrie to be in, really. He's not only going to have to lead by example, he's going to be feeling like Tom Hanks in Cast Away if he doesn't get any pitching support. Maybe someone can buy him a volleyball.

There also does remain the feeling that this Guthrie balloon could pop or at least start deflating any time now. I know this will probably seem like I'm a typical fan that expects everything to go wrong, but statistical trends aren't calling for Guthrie to keep having these seasons. There's no definite either way, but if Guts regresses some, don't be surprised. It's not like you can argue that he has the stuff to be doing what he does. But then that's part of why I like him so much. He defies expectation at this point in his career.

Sb20080408j1a_medium Newbie: Koji Uehara, RH

Some of y'all are super intent on considering Uehara a set part of the rotation. I'm super intent on trying to curb your enthusiasm, so to speak, because it's a simple matter of connecting the dots to me.

1. Uehara turns 34 on April 3 and has never pitched in the Major Leagues.

2. Uehara hasn't been a full-time starter the last two seasons. It's been said it was punishment, making him the closer in '07, or whatever, but the fact remains he has thrown 151 2/3 innings in the past two seasons combined.

3. Uehara was signed for two years and $10 million. Do the math -- we're not getting a front-line starter for $5 million per season. The max it can be is $16 million, if he meets innings, starts, and other performances marks. Andy Pettitte -- a middle rotation guy at this point -- just turned down a $10 million offer from the Yankees for '09.

In other words, we're not talking about Daisuke Matsuzaka here. Uehara could be the Akinori Iwamura of pitchers, or he could just be another Kei Igawa or Masato Yoshii, a pretty low-risk guy that just isn't going to cut the mustard.

I love his lack of walks (1.2 BB/9 in Japanese ball) and I truly like the signing. The O's didn't exactly break down the door for the Japanese market, but they knocked on it and it sort of creaked open just that little bit.

Newbie: Mark Hendrickson, LH

Here's where I start to question the idea to just let Daniel Cabrera walk (ha!) instead of paying him a relatively small amount of money to eat up innings in 2009. Hendrickson is just as bad as Cabrera for what would've been pretty comparable money to keep Cabrera, and he throws way less innings. It'll be nice for me and the like-minded Cabrera Haters to not see Big Bad Dan out there throwing fits and missing the plate by six feet, but it's not like I look at Hendrickson and see much of a different result for my game-watching experience.

Radhames Liz, RH and Garrett Olson, LH

Both guys got extended trial by fire runs last year due to injuries and the like, and neither acquitted himself very nicely at all. If I'm taking all the analytical B.S. out of this and just saying what I feel, I'll tell you that Liz looks like a bullpen guy at best to me, and Olson is a back-end starter at best, and probably not a guy that sticks around for very long. Neither of them have exceptional stuff and neither of them really impressed me. Of course, I could be totally wrong, which is part of why I like to keep the analytical B.S. in there. If I just start telling you all the players in which I see little value at all, it'd get pretty old, pretty fast.

Mlb_a_matusz_300_medium The Blue Chipper: Brian Matusz, LH

It's unlikely the O's want to rush Matusz, but I think it may wind up unavoidable. If they can't find guys that can get through five or six innings routinely without putting us in a massive hole, Matusz has to become an option if he's throwing well in the minors.

As a college pitcher, he's polished and fairly close to ready to go. It'd probably be an upset if we didn't see him at some point in '08 -- that could be good (the rotation stabilizes somehow) or indifferent (the organization sees no point in moving him up to a team with no hope).

Matusz and Chris Tillman, who's almost ready to buy a legal drink in this country (April 15, woo!), are the two genuine stud arms in the system. Both will hopefully be part of the Oriole rotation for years to come. Matusz is probably closer to ready for prime time simply in terms of maturity.

...And the Rest!

Righty Brian Bass and lefty Brian Burres could be a totally awesome new version of The Killer Bees. They even have the neat number thing going on. Burres is 56, Bass is 59.

All that talk of Danys Baez (RH) moving to the rotation was just talk, it appears, which I figured it would be. Baez stating a desire to start can easily be met with, "...sure, let's try that," because the obvious fact is that there's nothing really for him to do in 2009. He's a sunk cost and it probably hurts less to do nothing with him than force him into a role he can't handle, like pitching.

Would you give Jim Johnson a shot at the rotation? He came up as a starter. I say go for it, dude. Why not?

Oh Chris Waters, keep on rollin', Norfolk moon won't you keep on shinin' on me...

Don't count out Hayden Penn. On second thought, probably count him out. Don't count out seeing Hayden Penn at some point in '09. There, that's better.

Conclusion

In the immortal words of Steve Zissou as he and his maybe-son, Ned Plimpton/Zissou, are about to hit the ocean in their sputtering helicopter, "This is gonna hurt."

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Ugh

This is depressing. I still have irrational expectations that Olson might produce something at some point.

I have little objection to “rushing” our prospects at this point, because it’s not like the big club is big pressure or anything. Tampa did it with a lot of their young guys without ruining any of them. So I say bing up Matusz by May, as soon as Olson/Liz/Burres/Hendrickson’s ERA surpasses 5.50 with any more than 40 IP. It’ll happen for one of them.

by punkrawka on Jan 8, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As did

Detroit if I recall. Those starters lost an incredible amount of games before they put it all (most?) together.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Jan 8, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

err

you mean the injured, medicore, no-longer-with-them Maroth or the injured, slightly-above-average Bonderman? Plus Nate Robertson?

by pipkin on Jan 8, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

albers and patton?

you don’t see them in the mix?

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Jan 8, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

One of those two

will likely end up with a starting spot. I believe it to be Albers. He has slightly less rust than Patton, who will need a little time in AAA to try to regain his form. Both could be in the rotation by the break though.

WHAT ain't no country I ever heard of. Do they speak english in WHAT?

by sickuvitall on Jan 8, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we'll see where their arms are at

Bad Left Hook
Camden Chat

"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."

by SC on Jan 8, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Zissou may well have been an O's fan

Other quotes: “I’m going to find it and I’m going to destroy it. Possibly with dynamite.”

“Nobody knows what’s going to happen. And then we film it. That’s the whole concept.”

“What are you doing? Go to bed, you sons of bitches!”

“It’s probably the last adventure I’ve got in me. I was hopin’ to go out in a flash of blazes, but I’ll probably just end up goin’ home.”

by Brotz13 on Jan 8, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wes Anderson is awful

That’s right, I said it.

by punkrawka on Jan 8, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We...

…have never agreed more.

by Jonny Pops on Jan 8, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Always is....

…well almost always.

by Jonny Pops on Jan 8, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't help feeling I should comment at this point.

But I can’t think of anything.

Which is probabl;y a good thing.

btw – who is Wes Anderson?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 8, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

timg....

….I wasn’t even talkin’ ’bout you!

Wes Anderson is a film director from Texas who makes quirky films and has a devoted following and equally devoted detractors. He’s sort of a 3 true outcomes filmmaker:

1. Love his work.
2. Hate his work and think he’s a pretensious asshole.
3. Scratch your head and shrug.

by Jonny Pops on Jan 8, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know you weren't.

It was an attempt at humor. Not all of my attempts hit their mark.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 9, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've given him a chance

and he hasn’t gotten the job done on the most part. I mildly enjoyed the Darjeeling Limited, but I’m also an Adrian Brody fan. His movies are getting in the same formulaic territory as a Tyler Perry movie.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Jan 8, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like him

Don’t love him. But I enjoyed Rushmore, Tenenbaums, and Darjeeling quite a bit.

Also, his short-film “Part I” of Darjeeling, Hotel Chevalier, is quite good.

by pipkin on Jan 8, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT: The Royal Tenenbaums, Rushmore
GOOD: The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou, Bottle Rocket
UMMM: The Darjeeling Limited

Bad Left Hook
Camden Chat

"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."

by SC on Jan 8, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

totally agree here

"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"

by exitfare on Jan 8, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OKAY: Bottle Rocket
SHITE: The Royal Tenenbaums, Rushmore
STEAMING PILES OF ANGELOS SHITE: Darjeeling, Life Aquatic

by Jonny Pops on Jan 8, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH?

Your house is a fucking prison!
On the Planet Bullshit!

On a serious note I totally get how people just do not like Wes’ movies. It’s more than OK by me. They’re acquired taste at the least.

Bad Left Hook
Camden Chat

"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."

by SC on Jan 9, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I had acquired the taste, but I was wrong

Bottle Rocket and Rushmore were pushed on me years ago by overzealous fans, and I thought they were boring and pretentious.

A few years later, I saw Royal Tenenbaums, which surprised me because I actually liked it. I had always meant to go back and watch Bottle Rocket and Rushmore with fresh eyes…until I suffered through Darjeeling and Life Aquatic.

No more.

by dkdc on Jan 9, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t mind Rushmore. Darjeeling though, man, what a load of steaming crap. I started watching it as an in-flight movie, but I turned it off after 40 minutes. I never quit on a movie once I’ve committed myself to watch it, especialy when I’m trapped on a plane.

by birdman on Jan 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bottle Rocket was about as interesting as watching paint dry.

by oc on Jan 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

then might I recommend Lethal Weapon 4

Bad Left Hook
Camden Chat

"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."

by SC on Jan 10, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sapp on the Raiders Orioles: They’re Going to Suck

by drj on Jan 8, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Look, Nuke – these Big League hitters are gonna light you up like a pin ball machine for awhile – don’t worry about it. Be cocky and arrogant even when you’re getting beat. That’s the secret…..You gotta play this game with fear and arrogance.

           Fear and ignorance.

No. Fear and arrogance, you hayseed, not ignorance.

by zknower on Jan 8, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

- Our rotation is going to suck this year. Even for the Orioles, we’re going to suck.

- No way should Matusz make the opening day roster! I’d like to delay starting the service clock

- Hayden Penn deserves a shot

- I am still mystified as to why Cabrera was let go, as if we were bursting at the seems with major league ready talent

- I’d go with Guts, Hendrickson, Uehara, Olson, Penn.

- We better have 4 long men (Patton, Albers, Burres, Waters)…

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jan 8, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say that Penn really deserves a shot. Personally, I’d send Penn to the pen at least until he shows he can get a ML batter out.

But really, as it stands right now, all but 1 rotation spot could be decided based on spring training performance.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 8, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I say we let ST be a free-for-all

pitching audition. As I see it, Hendrickson and Uehara are not any more worthy of a slot in the rotation than the fizzled Mr. Penn. If Hayden sucks, then screw it we already knew it. If he even pitches half decently, let him carry it into the regular season. We have established our suckiness for 09, so why limit our options?

The majority of our staff could interchange with one-another from starter to long reliever, depending on who is getting the job done at the time. If Olson is blowing, try Albers. If Albers starts to suck, plug in Burres. Burres fades, so try Patton. It’s gonna be a fun year, I am telling you.

There is no way in hell that the blind can lead the blind...someone has to be the dog.

by sickuvitall on Jan 8, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Penn's problem

He hasn’t really gotten lit up in MLB, he’s just snakebitten about getting his chance up there.

by punkrawka on Jan 8, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hasn't gotten lit up????

9.31 ERA? He’s only had 55+ innings, but he’s definitely gotten lit up.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 8, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he is still recovering

from the ass-whipping he took a few years back. Definitely never should have called him up then, but hindsight is…

There is no way in hell that the blind can lead the blind...someone has to be the dog.

by sickuvitall on Jan 8, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true
I wouldn’t say that Penn really deserves a shot.

Deserve is a relative term for the Orioles…but in seriousness, he has done well in AAA, so I meant “deserve” in a sense of having accomplished things in the minors unlike someone like DCab.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jan 8, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think part of Penn’s problem has been that he’s been trying too hard to catch up after all the set backs. He may settle down if you take the pressure off and just give him a spot in the rotation. Given the O’s current posistion, I say why not?

A couple months ago I probably would have been for putting Penn in the bullpen. But given the state of the O’s rotation and the crap that is available in FA, I say just give him the spot. What do we really have to lose. This is really Penn’s last chance, so I just say let him sink or swim.

by edsachs1 on Jan 8, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

There is no way in hell that the blind can lead the blind...someone has to be the dog.

by sickuvitall on Jan 8, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we please....

…do that magical Roberts for Floyd and everyone else we want trade? Please?

by Jonny Pops on Jan 8, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can we please try Jim Johnson as a starter?

He pitches more like a starter than a set-up man. He’s more valuable to us as a starter.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Jan 8, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The only positive I can take away from this ...

… is that I’m not alone in my depression.

It’s not even February and I’m already feeling like the season is going to take sucking to a whole new level.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 8, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Vodka is your friend.....

It’s gotten me through many an Orioles game. And it gets ugly when I run out.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Jan 8, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

White Russians, etc.

That would be my preferred method of vodkanizing. Cranberry and pineapple juice also not a bad option! How much was required for the infamous 30-run drubbing by Texas??

There is no way in hell that the blind can lead the blind...someone has to be the dog.

by sickuvitall on Jan 8, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just tried a mix of Orangina, vodka and cream.

Tastes a bit like an orange creamsicle. Only better.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 9, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

White Russians???

I can have one or two, but I couldn’t imagine drinking them all night. All that cream/milk???

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 9, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason

I can stomach them all night long. On the other hand, I can only handle one or two Screwdrivers before the orange juice starts getting to me.

There is no way in hell that the blind can lead the blind...someone has to be the dog.

by sickuvitall on Jan 9, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not only that

but it’s a pretty sweet drink. kahlua is alcoholic, coffee-flavored syrup.

I enjoy one or two after dinner, maybe. But all night? I agree.

by pipkin on Jan 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not just...vodka?

Pour a drop of vermouth in, then pour it back out. Splash of olive brine. Couple of olives, stuffed with blue cheese if you’re feeling indulgent…

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by 2632 on Jan 9, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Red Bull

I stick to vodka with red bull, monster, rock star, or some other heart-exploding energy drink. If it’s a particularly tough night, i trade the vodka with jaeger

by blawk359 on Jan 11, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sound advice.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know TINSTAAP and all...

…but I think our minor league pitching is definitely top 5 in the game. We could like not totally suck in a couple years. Well maybe.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jan 9, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Classic line:

“He’s a sunk cost and it probably hurts less to do nothing with him than force him into a role he can’t handle, like pitching.”

Hilarious!

by les boulez on Jan 9, 2009 1:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I do want a dominant left handed staff. If we could get a power left hander to compliment Liz then we would be in good shape.

by Misterwookas on Jan 9, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

First we need Liz

to compliment himself…which I do think he is still capable of doing.

There is no way in hell that the blind can lead the blind...someone has to be the dog.

by sickuvitall on Jan 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When I look at this starting pitchers lineup

I want to gouge my eyes out so I won’t have to read these names again.

by MurraysLaw on Jan 10, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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