Semi-Off Topic Regarding A Team Many Of You Dislike
by yurizanow on Oct 12, 2009 9:38 PM EDT
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One of the things about that I find annoying about living in the land of Yankee fans is not just how stupid most of them are, but how stupid most of them are about their own team. I mean, you would not believe how many of these clowns genuinely believe that Alex Rodriguez is somehow a liability because he isn't a "true Yankee" or whatever horseshit those morons think. I usually react to that by saying something along the lines of "OK, how about you trade him to the Orioles for Melvin Mora and another player of your choice?"
What I find particularly asinine is the focus on his post-season problems since he's been on the Yankees. Nobody on else on that team has been hitting in the postseason since he got there, but somehow those losses are all his fault. I've even heard fans say stupid shit like "you know, A-Rod is making the rest of them not hit." Below is a link to an article from the Village Voice that I read about in Rob Neyer's column comparing A-Rod's postseason career (42 games) to Reggie Jackson's first 42 postseason games. Guess what? Mr. Un-Clutch has played slightly better than Mr. October did during his first 42 postseason games. While we're at it, A-Rod's postseason stats really aren't that bad anyway and Reggie Jackson was a bigger asshole. Hey, you know who also sucked in the postseason? Ted Williams and Willie Mays. Losers!
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/10/jockbeat_31.php
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I too don’t get all the AROD hate by Yankee fans. The true yankee (versus what, imaginary yankee?) stuff is just unreal. Derek Jeter is perceived as the Jesus of the post season, even though his post season stats are pretty much in line with his regular season stats. I think the difficult part for me is AROD the person. This is really unfair because I don’t know the guy at all. But after the first win at home against the Twins he said something along the lines of “I was just following the Captain’s lead…” WTF? Is he 12 or something? If Jetes had gone all Brandon Fahey, would AROD have just grounded out to second because Jetes did? Plus there was the time he tried to slap Arroyo’s glove in the 04 ALCS. That was just annoying. I don’t want it wrong with that guy, and maybe it’s nothing, but goddamn he seems like an annoying person, or at least a person who isn’t real because he’s been “the next big thing” since he was 15 or something.
Having said that, the “unclutch everything is ARODs fault” mentality of Yankee fans is really annoying, but ultimately not surprising. And since most of the time your team won’t win a championship, it’s nice to blame it on a person (AROD) or a thing (the Curse of the Bambino) rather than just accepting the randomness of life.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Oct 13, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus there was the time he tried to slap Arroyo’s glove in the 04 ALCS.
I actually liked that; ARod was trying to get on in any way possible to help his team win.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
by Baltimo on Oct 15, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah fuck that. That was a bitch move. Slapped at it like a little girl.
Never heard anybody commend him for that before.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 15, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pedroia had done something similar
It would have been gritty.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
by Baltimo on Oct 16, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have less media attention if Pedroia did it. But I think a lot of people would have viewed as a bitch slap.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap."
by birdman on Oct 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Postseason Stats
This was something that was posted on Fire Joe Morgan 2006 after A-Rod had the straight bad postseason series.
Some guy looked at A-Rod’s line from those three straight postseason series and a guy at each position who had three straight similar or worse postseason series. It’s reproduced below.
16 games, .183/.300/.333, 10 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.81 RC*/G
I decided to see who else from baseball history has had a similar or worse 3-series stretch. I found somebody from each position just for fun.
C Yogi Berra, 47WS-50WS … 14 G, .140/.204/.260, 6 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.64 RC/G
1B Jeff Bagwell, 97NLDS-99NLDS … 11 G, .128/.261/.128, 3 R, 0 HR, 4 RBI, 0.64 RC/G
2B Jackie Robinson, 47WS-52WS … 19 G, .212/.342/.303, 9 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.79 RC/G
SS Derek Jeter**, 01ALDS-01WS … 17 G, .226/.262/.290, 5 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 0.47 RC/G
3B Mike Schmidt, 77NLCS-80NLCS … 13 G, .164/.233/.218, 4 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.54 RC/G
OF Babe Ruth, 18WS-22WS … 14 G, .211/.333/.368, 4 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.71 RC/G
OF Mickey Mantle, 61WS-63WS … 13 G, .130/.216/.217, 3 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 0.23 RC/G
OF Ted Williams***, 46WS … 7 G, .200/.333/.200, 2 R, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0.43 RC/G
DH David Ortiz, 02ALDS-03ALDS … 14 G, .200/.231/.280, 0 R, 0 HR, 6 RBI, 0.43 RC/G
I think we can all agree that this team of chokers could never make it out of the first round.
- runs created (R+RBI-HR)
- Jeter also had a pretty crappy 98ALDS-98WS … 13 G, .235/.328/.294, 7 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.77 RC/G
- OK, Ted only had 1 postseason series, but I figured in the spirit of judging players off of small sample sizes, I’d include him
- Jeter also had a pretty crappy 98ALDS-98WS … 13 G, .235/.328/.294, 7 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.77 RC/G
by yurizanow on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
From the wonderful (but dated) page ’100 Reasons to Hate Derek Jeter:
24. “Mr. Clutch” – well, not really. Jeter’s career numbers are .314/.386/.461. His postseason numbers are .307/.379/.463, which is about what you’d expect. Yes, he was MVP of the 2000 World Series, and has batted .400 or better in 7 post season series. He’s also batted under .250 in 7 post season series.
35. Jeffrey Maier – Part of Jeter’s clutch status is owed to a 12-year-old little leaguer with bad hands. Without Maier, Jeter’s first big clutch hit – in game 1 of the 1996 ALCS, would be a long fly out. Umps didn’t make the interference call and the legend was born.
36. Grounds into DP – double figures in every season of his career. They are all “clutch” double plays, naturally.
37. Game 4 of the 2005 ALDS – Jeter sends a dribbler to 3B Chone Figgins, who comes up throwing to the plate – the throw is offline, and routine grounder turns into heroic game-winning RBI.
hehe
by NewYorkOriole on Oct 13, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the same anywhere...
…have you ever tried talking to Joe Schmoe about politics? You hear a bunch of superfluous, anecdotal nonsense. Many people are completely disinterested in trying to figure out the complexities of how something actually works. They’d prefer to repeat bite size pieces of gossip that provide them with some explanation of one idividual or another’s character, which to them qualifies as insider knowledge. It’s like High School 2.0.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hi JP
Nice to see you!
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 13, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same old
How you been? Still living it up in honville?
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 13, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
…such an odd place. Puts the quirk in quirky. Probably moving by early next year though. Where to is still uncertain.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quirky is a kind word for it
I moved back to the ’hood about two months ago but I live enough off the main drag so I only have to see that segment of the neighborhood if I choose to head down there. But you can always count on a few good hideous shirtless guys strolling the streets.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 13, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hampden...
…home of one of the strangest gentrifications you’ll find anywhere.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 13, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, that's not stalkerish AT ALL....
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 14, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
it’s all good, yuri and i have had a few rounds together before.
sorry, i was tied up last night, yuri.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 14, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expression of one's character
That’s the part that really cracks me up.
A-Rod does not perform well in the clutch (whatever that means) because of his insufficiency as a human being. Apparently it is possible to become the second or third best hitting shortstop AND third baseman of all time, but still be unable to perform in high-pressure situations when your skills are needed the most and that this inability is a reflection of his lack of moral character. It’s amazing that A-Rod succeeded at an almost unprecedented level while having that striking weakness the entire time. In contrast, players like Scott Brosius or David Eckstein, despite middling talent and a mediocre career, are able to do well in the postseason because they are good people and morally superior to A-Rod.
Of course, done of this accounts for how guys like Manny Ramirez and Reggie Jackson can do so well in the postseason despite being demonstrably bigger pieces of shit than A-Rod.
by yurizanow on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely true
I was just visiting my Yankee-loving girlfriend in Westchester and had a few long talks with her father about the state of the Orioles, the Yankees, baseball, the playoffs, and why he hates the Red Sox. Almost every single thing was just a repeat of some sound bite I’ve heard a billion times.
I told him I thought the Yankees made one incredibly savvy pickup last winter in Nick Swisher and he agreed. But not because Swisher is any good, but because “he changed the clubhouse dynamic”. Also, and I quote verbatim: “Francisco Cervelli was worth at least ten wins this year all by himself”.
We talked about the Yankees big catching prospect, Jesus Montero, and I said he’ll probably have to move to first or DH since he’s too big to catch longterm. “The Yankees can make him lose weight!”
His least favorite Red Sock is Theo Epstein “because he’s a Yankee-wannabe and he won’t admit it”. He also had no idea who Adam Wainwright was, thinks the O’s first baseman next year should be Matt Wieters, and so on and so on.
The thing is, though, this is a very smart dude. He taught himself a high level of softball and now is like the softball czar of Westchester, teaching dozens of girls pitching and holding baserunning/hitting clinics, and I’ve seen him take an entirely amazing level of focus and awareness in live coaching a 10U team in-game (and that’s no easy feat). And he really, really knows his shit…but when it comes to the Yankees and MLB, dumb as a rock, just repeats what’s he’s heard on ESPN Radio.
It’s amazing…and indicative of many (not all, maybe not even most) Yankee fans I’ve talked to.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Oct 13, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me started on that phony-ass, ESPN-created Yankees-Red Sox rivalry
Let’s see, one team overwhelmingly dominates from 1920 to 2004 with the other team doesn’t even try during the majority of that time. Yeah, that’s a rivalry for the ages.
Ravens-Steelers is a bigger deal.
by yurizanow on Oct 13, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey stranger!
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Oct 13, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
I also live in the NY area & the ignorance you hear from the callers on squawk radio is astonishing.
The post-season offensive production in recent years from any Yankee except the ones who already have 4 rings has been abyssmal. Cano, Damon, Matsui, Giambi, Sheffield… Every one of them doing Mark Belanger imitations at the plate in ‘05, ’06 & ’07. Yet somehow it’s all A-Rod’s fault.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Oct 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I may have told this story before
But a good friend of mine who lives in NJ and is a Yankees fan was listening to whatever sports radio on her way to work not too long after the Teixeira signing, and some caller was saying it was a bad deal because now where will Derek Jeter go when he can’t play SS anymore?
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 13, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be WFAN
After the A-Rod signing one of the hosts suggested that MAY BE they look into the POSSIBILITY of ASKING The Cap’n to move to 3rd…
And the callers damn near chased that host up a tree and set fire to it.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Oct 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee fans in the college environment
As a die-hard O’s fan in the heart of Yankees country while in college in Ithaca, NY, I have learned that most Yankee fans are Yankee fans because it’s cool. Nearly all of them have limited sports knowledge outside of their team and they complain ALL THE TIME. I can’t have a serious, meaningful sports conversation with any of them without them gloating about their team. By the way, I feel that most of them are fair weather fans, especially when it comes to the performance of A-Rod.
BK
by BKsportstake on Oct 14, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly though...
…it’s the true definition of being a fan: fanaticism. All sorts of foolish pride coming out of the woodwork because the team wins. We Orioles fans are kind of struggling to remember what that was like at this point.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 14, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain
I go to School in Binghamton New York and its exactly the same way here. If you ask 80 percent of “yankee fans” why they are yankee fans their response is “Duh, 26 world championships.” or “You like the Orioles so don’t even talk.” As You talk to them more you realize how little they know about “their team” and baseball in general. Its really quite sad. It pains me to say though that the worst thing about living in New York is having to listen to Michael Kay.
by AJ10 on Oct 14, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait wait wait....
Have any of you seen what’s written in the New York Post? It’s not ESPN radio that’s the culprit, it’s what’s written in the newspapers. Let’s be honest in that the New York Post and the rest of the new york tabloids are probably the reason why very few people can say intelligent things about the Yankees or even the Mets. Even the New York Times has Selena Roberts reporting.
by OsandRoyals on Oct 14, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree about the post
But you would expect that from newspapers and tabloids. They are always going to say ridiculous and outlandish things. Michael Kay however, is an experienced broadcaster and yet he still comes across as being a know-it-all, stuck up, typical Yankee fan.
by AJ10 on Oct 15, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Started off writing for Daily News
And 10 years on radio with John Sterling couldn’t have helped in terms of being fair & unpartial!
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Oct 15, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sterling
Sterling gets paid not for objectivity, but rather a lack of it.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Oct 17, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thhhhhhhhhhhhheheheheheeeeeeeeeeee
YANKEES WIN!
by NewYorkOriole on Oct 26, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm blogging these days
and addressed arod’s clutchiness tonight -
by joet on Oct 23, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ah
Joe T. I always pronounced your user name as one word, like joe-ette.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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