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A Preliminary Look at the 2010 AL East Offenses - Part 1

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I was fortunate enough to get a preview of Bill James' 2010 hitter and pitcher projections, which will be coming out as part of his handbook on November 1st. If you want to buy the handbook (which I wholly recommend), you can order it from the ACTA Sports webpage, or at Amazon.com or the like. The handbook includes a lot more than just the batter and pitcher projections; it's a real treasure. I haven't seen the 2010 version yet as it's not released but I've read past years' versions and they rock.

If you're unfamiliar with Bill James' player projections, he releases them every year for current players and prospects that could get playing time. They're all based on past performance and what James considers to be the natural extension of what they've already proven they can do. For the players with little or no major league experience, he doesn't attempt to make a determination on if they will play in 2010, just a determination of how they will do if the team brings them up. The example he uses in his introduction is actually regarding Josh Bell:

What we should do is try to answer this question: If this player plays, how will he play? If Joshua Bell opens the 2010 season as the Baltimore Orioles third baseman, what will he hit? That's the question we should be focused on. Whether Bell will or will not get a chance to play next season, when his chance might come. . .we don't have a fair chance to get that one right. Our job is to figure out how good he will be, when and if his ticket arrives.

I thought it'd be fun to do a little AL East comparison by position using the projections. For the most part they won't take into account any changes the Orioles or other AL East teams hope to make before the 2010 starts. It should give a pretty good indicator of the biggest areas of needs for the O's (not that we don't already know them, really) as well as where they actually match up well in the division.

This will be part one of the discussion, focusing on C, 1B, and 2B. Part two will cover SS, 3B, and DH, and part 3 will tackle the outfield.

Oh, and I said that for the most part I won't try to account for any changes, but I've taken a few liberties. One is to insert Josh Bell at 3B, even though I think we all know it's unlikely he'll start 2010 there. James' projections include Melvin Mora and Ty Wigginton, but there's no way I'm even considering Mora back at 3B, and I don't want to talk about Wiggy. I also made two other speculative changes that you'll see when the time comes. Suspense!!

See the good stuff below the jump.

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Catcher

Shall we start with the best? Matt Wieters finished 2009 on a tear and looks poised to break out in 2010. And Bill James? Well he pretty much agrees (of course he thought that last year as well).

Matt Wieters
 G
AB
H 2B HR
R
RBI
RC
BB
K
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
James '09 Projections
118
416
127
22
21
72
64
81
67
56
.305
.402
.519
.921
Wieters '09 Stats
96
354
102
15
9
35
43
46.5
28
86
.288
.340
.412
.752
James '10 Projections
148
547
170
29
20
75
92
101
61
112
.311
.381
.484
.865

To be fair to James' '09 projections, pretty much every projection of Matt Wieters for 2009 was a little bit absurd. PECOTA practically inducted him into the HoF with its numbers. It was as though all of the statistically oriented minds were taken over by fanboys when it came to Matt Wieters in 2009. Of course his numbers would have been very difficult to predict given that he hadn't played beyond AA when the predictions were made, but still. The projections for 2010 are still pretty lofty but I think attainable by our golden boy. For reference, in the past ten seasons there have been 21 times when a catcher has had an OPS of .865 or greater. In 2009, only Joe Mauer had an OPS over .865. In fact, if Wieters had put up the 2010 projections this year, only Joe Mauer would have had better numbers than him at C, and Mauer had the most ridiculous year ever. And honestly, maybe it's just me, but I think the HR prediction might be a little low. Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled with 20. But I think he can do better.

Wieters easily has the best projections of any of the other catchers in the AL East, and I look forward to seeing just how much better he'll be in 2010.

James '10 Proj.
G
AB
H
2B
HR
R
RBI
RC
BB
K
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
Jorge Posada
116
420
116
26
18
59
74
72
60
104
.276
.372
.467
.839
Victor Martinez
150
560
167
36
19
78
97
97
67
74
.298
.377
.464
.841
Gregg Zaun
88
244
58
13
7
29
29
30
33
44
.238
.333
.377
.710
Rod Barajas
114
366
85
20
14
41
52
40
20
67
.232
.278
.402
.679


For the Rays, Dioner Navarro was actually projected for more playing time (110 games), but I just can't imagine the Rays using him as their everyday catcher. ZAUN is a lot older, but he's better. Rod Barajas...is not good, but the Jays don't really have anyone in the system to replace him right now. Posada is good, of course, but he'll be 38 in 2010. Eventually that has to start mattering for him. And Victor Martinez is a huge upgrade over Jason Varitek, sadly. If these four plus Wieters are the 5 starting catchers in the AL East in 2010, Wieters, at age 24, will not only be the best catcher in the division, he'll also be the only one under age 30. Verdict: WIETERS!

First Base

After the euphoria of the Orioles catching situation, here's the cold reality: The Orioles need a first baseman, and bad. In-house the Orioles have a few options. Luke Scott proved an adequate fielder in the short time he spent there in 2009 but his Jekyll and Hyde act at the plate gets tiresome. Michael Aubrey is great with the glove and while his bat showed some promise, my personal opinion is that he's our new Oscar Salazar: useful, but not an answer. Down in the minors Brandon Snyder is hoping to win the job and I'd have to think it's on the mind of Rhyne Hughes as well. I'd like nothing more than for Brandon Snyder to step up and earn the job, but even if he does that I don't believe it will be out of spring training. So for the meantime I have to think they'll go with Luke Scott at 1B for 2010, at least until another solution is found.

Luke Scott
G
AB
H
2B
HR
R
RBI
RC
BB
K
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
James '09 Projections
142
476
130
31
25
69
79
75.9
57
98
.273
.354
.508
.862
Scott '09 Stats
128
449
116
26
25
61
77
71.6
55
104
.258
.340
.488
.828
James '10 Projections
142
463
120
29
24
64
76
76
56
109
.259
.342
.486
.828


So James expects Luke to basically have the same exact year that he did in 2009. Fair enough. Luke is pretty much at the stage of his career where he is who he is. And honestly, if he could come by those numbers in a more even fashion I'd be happy with them. But he's hard to rely on when he hits like Babe Ruth for two months and Brandon Fahey for two months. I'm not totally unhappy with Luke playing 1B for the O's in 2010 as long as he's not looked at as any kind of permanent solution.

James '10 Proj. G
AB
H
2B
HR
R
RBI
RC
BB
K
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
Mark Teixeira
156
596
179
42
36
191
121
129
84
113
.300
.395
.559
.953
Kevin Youkilis
149
557
161
42
23
98
95
105
85
128
.289
.394
.492
.885
Carlos Pena
148
530
127
27
36
88
99
93
93
176
.240
.360
.498
.858
Lyle Overbay
140
460
123
34
15
60
63
73
65
100
.267
.359
.443
.803


Ah, Carlos Pena. I often think of that commenter here by the name of Wade Boggs Hair who loved Carlos Pena. You guys remember him? He was the president of the Carlos Pena fan club before Pena signed with the Rays. After we later learned that Pena almost came to the Orioles and they couldn't work out a deal (what could he have been asking for, really, the the O's wouldn't give him but the Rays would??), it was a major bummer. If only it had worked out. sigh. VERDICT: At least it's not Kevin Millar

Second Base

The Orioles stalwart. The veteran. With Melvin Mora out of the picture, Brian Roberts takes his place as the longest tenured Oriole, and the only one to have been with the team prior to 2006. With all of the changes to the Orioles in the past few years, Brian remains our comfort. 2010 will be Brian's 10th in the majors, all of which have been losers. When the Orioles finally rid themselves of their losing ways Brian Roberts probably won't know what to do with himself. Actually there is no doubt in my mind that when the time comes for this team to be in a pennant race, old man Brian Roberts will be leading the charge and playing like we've never seen him. Here are Brian's numbers:

Brian Roberts
G
AB
H
2B
HR
R
RBI
SB/CS
BB
K
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
James '09 Projections
156
623
176
44
10
100
58
36/12
79
99
.283
.364
.414
.778
Roberts '09 stats
159
632
179
56
16
110
79
30/7
74
112
.283
.356
.451
.807
James '10 projections
159
630
177
47
12
103
65
30/10
78
108
.281
.361
.422
.783


Roberts is steady in his production. James always pegs Brian to have less power than he does. I'm not sure why since he's had an SLG less than .432 once since 2005, and that was in 2006 when he was returning from that awful arm injury. He slugged right around .450 in both 2008 and 2009 but James continues to project him low. I feel like we always know what we're going to get from Brian, and it's nice to have one less thing to worry about. He's one of the leading 2B in the American League, although unfortunately you could also say that about several 2Bs in the AL East.

James '10 Proj. G
AB
H
2B
HR
R
RBI
SB/CS
BB
K
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
Robinson Cano
161
624
193
46
20
89
87
4/3
32
69
.309
.347
.489
.836
Dustin Pedroia
156   
623
191
50
15
109
75
16/6
66
43
.307
.378
.465
.843
Ben Zobrist
153
509
143
28
23
86
75
15/6
84
93
.281
.385
.491
.876
Aaron Hill
138   
540
153
35
20
78
76
5/2
40
78
.283
.337
.463
.800


I'll be honest, the Rays roster confuses the hell out of me. 2009 started with Akinori Iwamura as the starting 2B with Ben Zobrist playing RF/UTIL/Bench. Aki went down with an injury and Zobrist took over 2B pretty much full time and ended up having just a monster year. With Zobrist at 2B the RF duties were left to the Gabe of the Day platoon, neither of which were anything special. Initially I imagined that Iwamura would return to 2B in 2010 with Zobrist going back to RF. I did some snooping around on DRaysBay though and they seem to be of the consensus that Aki's option won't be picked up and Zobrist will return to 2B. 

Anyway, the projections have every other AL East 2B as having a better year than Brian Roberts, pretty much. I'm not sure I buy that, especially for Zobrist and Hill. Zobrist will be 29 in 2010 and just played his first full season in the majors. Even though the James projection predicts he'll have a regression, the numbers are still high enough to give me pause. He could be a late bloomer, I suppose, but there just isn't enough evidence to give me much confidence in him. And don't even get me started on Aaron Hill. If he has an OPS of .800 or more in 2010 I'll eat my shoe.

You know what bugs me about Dustin Pedroia? The way everyone acts like, "Look at this little dude coming along and showing everyone what he can do!" Please. Brian Roberts was doing that for years before Pedroia came along, although with hardly any attention.

Don't get me wrong. I know that Pedroia is a more valuable player than Brian Roberts. Most of the value is in his age (he's also, by all accounts, NOT a lollygagger). He puts up slightly better numbers than Roberts, but five years earlier in his career. That's a pretty big deal, especially since it's how he started his career. But it doesn't explain why Pedroia is so much more revered when looked at in a single season scope. Behold the numbers:

2007
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
OPS+
H
2B
HR
SB/CS
Roberts
.290
.377
.432
.808
112
180
42
12
50/7
Pedroia
.317 .380
.442
.823
112
165
39
8
7/1
2008
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
OPS+
H
2B
HR
SB/CS
Roberts
.296
.378
.450
.828
117
181
51
9
40/10
Pedroia
.326
.376
.493
.869
122
213
54
17
20/1
2009
AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
OPS+
H
2B
HR
SB/CS
Roberts
.283
.356
.451
.807
108
179
56
16
30/7
Pedroia
.296
.371
.445
.819
108
185
48
15
20/8


I was sure to include the OPS+ in there, since they're identical in 2007 and 2009. It's easier to hit in Fenway Park? You don't say! Yeah, Pedroia gets more hits than Roberts, but check out the OBP. Pretty close. Add in Brian's base stealing prowess and the margin tightens even more. Like I said, if I'm looking for a guy on my team for the next 10 years, yeah, I go with Pedroia (or Cano for that matter, who I've completely ignored). But for 2010? Brian Roberts suits me just fine. VERDICT: He's not the flashiest, but I stand by Brian Bob. (oh, and Dustin Pedroia? Brian's 2005 season laughs in the face of your 2008 MVP season)

With three positions down, I'd say the O's look pretty good comparatively. They just gotta find a legit 1B. They really haven't had one since Palmeiro's first tour (no offense Jeff Conine!),

Next up will be a look at Shortstop, Third Base, and Designated Hitter (warning, this one is a lot uglier).

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Stacy, you rule

I hope you don’t get fired, though.

by PhilR8 on Oct 23, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why would I get fired?

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the numbers you published isn't proprietary right?

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Oct 23, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say she's within fair use guidelines

"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK

by duck on Oct 23, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even with attribution, copyright owners are sensitive about customers publishing paid content. I think Stacey’s post falls within fair use guidelines but I’m not 100% sure. There’s a second issue as well. Since the book has not been published yet, I’m not sure how ACTA Sports feels about its content being out. I don’t think it’s a problem but I’m just trying ideas out there. The post itself is great.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Oct 23, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehhh

Whatever. I’m sure it’s fine.

by O'sFan21 on Oct 23, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, just throwing ideas out there.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stacey,

A couple of other comments.

It looks like you’re planning on publishing BJ’s 2010 projections for the entire starting line up. As Duck points out, this probably falls within fair use but when you’re publishing a team’s entire starting line up, you may be pushing it. I hate to this because I want you to publish this info but I don’t want any copyright brouhaha for CC.

And I noticed that the book is NOT available for preview on amazon.com. This may be due to a publisher request until the book is officially released… probably not but just wanted to throw this out there.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Oct 23, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the US Copyright office:

The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: "quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; …

Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself. It does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.

The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.

It’s definitely not copyright infringement. It may or may not fall under Fair Use. There is no bright clear line, obviously, but publishing the projections for 45 players out of presumably 600+ players in the guide is certainly a small fraction (<10%).

My guess is it depends on how Stacey came by the info, and whether or not ACTA gave permission for her to excerpt some. On the one hand, it is reproducing a lot; but on the other hand, it’s enormous free publicity to a very targeted audience that is likely to result in more sales for ACTA, so they’d be foolish to make a fuss, IMHO.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Oct 23, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PROVE IT!

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Oct 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

didn’t mean to incite a shitstorm. I meant, “Don’t get fired from your regular job for blogging, since this is being posted during the afternoon and most people are at work.” Although maybe you’re sick or took a vacation day or something. Went over like a lead balloon regardless, my bad!

by PhilR8 on Oct 24, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Matt Wieters projection is AWESOME. Love it.

Although BJ’s 09 projection was just stupid ridiculous. .921 OPS? Rookie year?

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scott

At least he’s not Kevin Millar indeed. I wonder how Reimold projects at first.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Oct 24, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No matter

I just want 2010 to be better than 2009 considering I believe it was the 3rd worst record in O’s history (could be wrong on that one…..) but not far off…..

by F4PhantomPhreak on Oct 24, 2009 2:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From the looks of it...

… the Bill James predictions were made available to all the SBN bloggers. McCovey Chronicles, the excellent Giants blog, is currently featuring a post with the predictions for all of the Giants hitters, along with a note explaining how they got them.

So I’m gathering this is part of a marketing agreement between James and SBN—we get some info, and maybe go buy the book.

by Bad Horse on Oct 24, 2009 5:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love you guys

As Bad Horse says, SB Nation was given a preview of the projections with permission to use them. I could have spelled that out but I didn’t realize not doing so would result in a discussion on copyright law :)

And Phil, I wrote this Thursday night so I live to work another day :)

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh this is sweet

If every SB nation team site does a 2010 Bill James post, then every starter will be available on the Internet w/ a bit of searching.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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