Blog Spotlight: NumerOlogy
And now the greatly anticipated second part of this week's blog spotlight :-), with the focus on NumerOlogy: The Uniform Number History of the Baltimore Orioles. Like Orioles Card "O" the Day, NumerOlogy is also the creation of Kevin Brotzman.
NumerOlogy is really an amazing website. If you've never visited it, you just have to. I warn you that you'll be there a long time. Kevin has documented the uniform numbers for every Baltimore Oriole since the team got to town in 1954, and he's done it in several different ways. You can look at a quick reference list, you can read a detailed history of each number, you can see who wore a number first or who wore a number longest. You get the picture. And once you've read all of that, you can just follow along with the updates as players come and go throughout the year.
See what Kevin has to say about NumerOlogy below the jump, and when you're finished with that, go visit the site. You won't be sorry.
1. This website is a basically huge research project. How long did it take you to complete it? Is it entirely complete? Were there any players whose numbers you found particularly difficult to identify, or years where there didn't seem to be as good documentation of the numbers?
I went public with the site in February of 2008, and at that point I'd been working on it for at least eight months, poring through online reference sites, image searches, books, and anything else that might have something to do with a player's uniform number. After I was reasonably satisfied that I had the numbers in place, I put together the site with my novice-level HTML skills.
It's not entirely complete, but I'm confident that it's pretty close. I'm missing info for a couple of coaches and fringy players. There are a handful of players who wore multiple numbers in one season where I'm unclear on the timeline. Occasionally I'll also find something I'd missed; last summer I bought a book that had a picture of a young Tippy Martinez wearing #36. So it's a work in progress; the goal is to have the level of detail and accuracy that Jon Springer of Mets by the Numbers has achieved. Of course, it took him about ten years to get there, so I feel like I'm making good progress.
It's toughest to verify the numbers for players from the early years of the franchise, the 1950s. The team was still being built, and there was more turnover, and obviously the farther back you go, the less documentation is available. It's also a struggle to chase down numbers for the lesser-known players, who in some cases don't even spend a week in uniform. I drove myself nuts trying to get a number for Danny Ardoin, who caught five games in late 2006. Eventually I found in-game photos of him on a random photo site, probably Wire Image.
2. Have you received any recognition for your work? I know I've used it as a reference tool and I'd have to imagine others have as well.
Yeah, I've gotten some great publicity and feedback. When it launched, I sent out a couple of emails to local reporters and the like, and Bill Ordine gave me a great write-up and link in his blog on the Baltimore Sun. As luck would have it, he posted that entry the day of the Erik Bedard trade, and at one point that day there were three separate links to his blog entry on the Sports section home page! I took a screenshot to preserve the moment. Dan Connolly has also linked to me on a couple of occasions, and I was featured in the Sun's Opening Day profile of O's bloggers this past April (as was Camden Chat, of course).
The biggest thrill for me is that I've gotten to interact with a few former Orioles. The weekend after the site launch I received an email from Dick Hall, who was a pretty good reliever for the team from 1961-1966 and 1969-1971. His grandson had shown him the site and he was pretty complimentary of it. He also helped me track down more information about the numbers that he wore, as he had a vague recollection of being in #38 when he first arrived in 1961. Sure enough, I found evidence that he'd been #38 before switching to his more familiar #29. I've also been contacted by John O'Donoghue, who pitched a few games for the Birds in 1993 and had been a college teammate of Ben McDonald. He had read one of my blog posts about him and liked it, and checked out the website as well. I ended up interviewing him through email, and he was very forthcoming and genuine.
3. So you're a uniform junkie? Or just a uniform number junkie? What's your favorite O's uniform?
Sure, I have plenty of opinions about sports uniforms, and a lot of them fall in line with the orthodoxy of Paul Lukas at UniWatch. For me, nothing beats the 1966-1970 Orioles road uniforms, right before they switched to the cheesy polyester. Not only are they associated with the glory years, it's just a classic look. The solid black cap and orange brim with the cartoon bird, the script "Baltimore" across the chest with black placket piping and no sleeve stripes, and of course the orange, black, and white striped stirrups. You can't beat that with a stick.
4. Anything important about this site you'd like people to know?
The best way to ensure the accuracy of the information on NumerOlogy is to straighten me out if you find something I've missed. If you've got an official scorecard that has Boog Powell listed as #8, or a dated photo of Scott McGregor in #39, scan it and email it to me, and I'll set things right and acknowledge your contribution on the home page. After all, it's meant to be a great resource and time-waster for all O's fans.
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Can't count
the number of times I’ve looked up things on NumerOlogy since I discovered it (via a link here on CC). It is an OUTSTANDING resource. Thanks, Brotz!!
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awwww Man...
…Why do we gotta be plugging Brotz’s blog? Are we really that out of material? Do I actually have to write some shit for once?
I take a different approach to other Orioles blogs: I wish they would all be deleted from the Internet forever. School of Roch, or Roch the House Y’all or Roch ’N Roll Hoochie Koo or whatever that sensitive hack is calling his blog these days? DELETE! The Wandering O? DELETE! Orioles Hangout? DOUBLE DELETE NOW REPORTING FOR DUTY, SIR!!!!
I’m sure some of these blogs are good. Except Roch’s and Orioles Hangout of course. I just experience sports blogs the same way I experience sports fandom. I like my team. I don’t like your team. There is no middle ground.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so sorry you don't approve
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear...
I leave this place for a few months and everything goes straight to heck. And where is SC, btw? Has he gone all Emeritus or something?
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude he's gone
Get with the times.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.camdenchat.com/2009/10/5/1070687/the-french-say-au-revoir
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit...
Get the fuck out of here! SC jumped out the O’s coop and chose the dying sport of Boxing over the moribund Baltimore Orioles baseball franchise? Oy vey ist meer!
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
It sucks, no doubt. But we press on.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe this shit...
…I truly can’t.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, thanks for the compliment for all the time and work we've done
Appreciated.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh relax, Captain Sensitive...
…there are baseline things that have already been established between us like respect, appreciation and all that good shit. As you know.
But that doesn’t mean I’m going to stop fucking with you. Far from it. Actually it’ll probably be worse now. Diversity of thought is essential for a vibrant community of ideas. Don’t believe me? Go look at The Baltimore Sun.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As sarcasm goes.....
it was lame.
And yeah, I took offense. I’ve been busting my butt getting this stuff together every AM at 6:15 for the past month, and to have you, Mr. I-Disappeared-Into-Witness-Protection-The-Last-Two-Months, bust my balls didn’t go over too well.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of lame...
….I would quickly add your attitude onto the list.
The entire conceit that because you, or anyone, “worked hard” and is therefore beyond reproach is beyond ridiculous. It’s a power trip. Plain and simple and I’m calling you out on it here and now.
What makes a community like this work is flexibility and openness regarding user created content. Otherwise it’s not a community, it’s a few people with admin rights forcing their views on others as to how people should interact and communicate. They’ve got a place where Orioles fans can go for that already. It’s called Orioles Hangout.
Finally, not that I need to defend my post above, but it was created almost entirely tongue in cheek. Which you should know having read my posts for years now. The fact that you’re kicking like this about it demonstrates to me that you are really taking the wrong approach here.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's where I don't follow
Disagree with my attitude. Fine. Lots of people do.
I’ll even grant you your second point. I don’t think I’m on a power trip, but maybe I was begging for a little too much praise for my efforts. It’s a criticism that has some merit. I don’t think it does in this case, but I understand where you might.
Here’s where you lose me:
What makes a community like this work is flexibility and openness regarding user created content. Otherwise it’s not a community, it’s a few people with admin rights forcing their views on others as to how people should interact and communicate. They’ve got a place where Orioles fans can go for that already. It’s called Orioles Hangout.
You spend the first sentence saying what makes this place work is user content, and yet your original point was whining about, well, user content.
As far as your views on admins & behavior, I’ll grant you, there have had to be a lot of actions taken here at CC recently. We don’t want to become OH.
But I’ll also tell you this – there’s been a lot more TRANSPARENCY in mod actions that used to exist. SC had his way of handling things. He did the mod stuff totally behind the scenes. Screw up, you got warned and/or banned. No one else knew about it. He’d make a general statement every now and then, but that was it.
Given our experiences of this summer, most of which you did miss, Stacey, zk and I felt something had to change. We were on a slippery slope of becoming on the level of a Yahoo! discussion board. Something had to be done. So we created the Communuity Guidelines. We’ve been more active in letting people know what they are. And we’ve created posts like teh Bird Droppings so random stuff doesn’t clog up the FanPosts and FanShots. Real content can be featured and promoted without all the chaff.
Rather than operate behind the scenes, we have been, I think, completely upfront about the changes made. I do not want us to become OH. It already exists.
As for your last paragraph, well, let’s just say I disagree with your assessment. And somehow, the sun will still rise tomorrow and we can discuss members of TLC further downthread.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me add my two cents
What makes a community like this work is flexibility and openness regarding user created content. Otherwise it’s not a community, it’s a few people with admin rights forcing their views on others as to how people should interact and communicate.
We’re plenty flexible and open. But the absence of any rules (i.e., “a few people with admin rights forcing their views on others as to how people should interact and communicate”), results in complete anarchy. Go to Yahoo message boards or similar sites—even a lot of the posts on OH—and it’s a total free-for-all, with no minimum standards for content (OH somehow manages to be both fascist and yet tolerant of crap posts at the same time, which is a neat trick). Which is why those places aren’t communities; Yahoo sports is basically a coupla lame guys yeling YOU SUCK at each other.
CC took a turn that way this summer. We could have banned or in some other way curtailed poorly written, babbling, or unhinged fanposts. Instead, we channeled those folks towards the open threads, wrote up loose guidelines (not rules), and generally set a standard for how people discuss. We have never told people what they could discuss.
Our actions kept the site from basically turning to crap overnight, as newbies were logging on and putting up 4 or 5 idiotic fanposts a day, and suddenly you couldn’t find anything worth reading. And for the record, the guidelines, Open Threads, et. al., were developed with SC’s input and approval.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems
you’re defending some points that duck went into on a tangent in our disagreement, not directly related to what our original scuffle was about.
But I don’t mind opening up another front here. For what it’s worth I think you guys went too far on that. I hear what you’re saying about wanting to preserve certain aspects of the community, but particularly I think those Guidelines were overwritten. You ended up coming off like some people you’ve been criticizing for years (AN, OH).
But I can still understand something needed to be done and since I was not here and did not take part there’s only so much I can criticize. I think the One FanPost per Day rule was a must and probably a shorter, more softly worded guidelines page was a good idea. So it wasn’t too far from the mark. But the tone is key. And this is what I’m really arguing about with duck in this thread. Once people – and especially you guys – start acting like you own this blog or something silly like that, things start getting real lame real quick. I’m not doing a J’accuse! on you Zack, but I am on duck. Hopefully you can understand my concern.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude:
Feedback is nice. Constructive feedback is especially nice. Specifics would be helpful. If you thinkthe guidelines are overwritten and could be softer, by all means, make some suggestions. Others did, and we acted on some of them.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gimme a Break.
Above you are acting all put out because I tongue-in-cheek criticized Stacey’s, not yours, Stacey’s post. (which also turned into a tongue-in-cheek ribbing of Brotz, and a not tongue-in-cheek criticism of OH and Roch). Bearing a cross over all the work you’ve put into the blog, that you’re not appreciated and on and on…
That has nothing to do with open discussion. What you are saying is I’ve worked hard here so you will treat what I and I’m guessing Stacey and Zack do with the appropriate reverence. That’s an enforcement, from a moderator, of what the implied tone should be on this blog. Most people on here are nowhere near as outspoken as me (thank god). They see that and see you’re in a mod position and it influences what they say in a way that constricts them.
I am not playing that game on here and neither should anyone else. As I’ve said above, of course I appreciate the work you guys have done. That goes without saying, or rather, it should go without saying. But nobody is above a ribbing. Nobody is above criticism. No way. No how.
I have done tons of creative work. Some of it I worked unbelievably hard on. Projects that lasted for years and entailed countless sleepless nights. But I never felt this entitled me to anyone’s favorable opinion simply on the basis of having done it, nor did I ever want immunity from people joking with me simply because I worked hard. Taking that approach is a power trip over your own work. It exhibits a rigidness in terms of being open to others opinions. That rigidness will seriously harm an open forum like this.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So basically....
you didn’t read a word of my last response. Got it.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
…apparently you won’t honestly examine your own behavior.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm living fairly happily without a therapist, but thanks for offering
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So act like it.
From what I can see on here you can’t bear that someone might not appreciate you – or actually appreciate you by proxy through Stacey.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I'd like to continue...
I’ll bring an end to my part in this particular discussion. I think you’re wrong, you think I’m wrong, and I don’t see either one of us changing our minds anytime soon.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish it would
change your mind. You went too far up there and I will continue to point it out if you keep doing it.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
you’re volunteering to be the world’s coolest ombudsman? I could deal with that.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coolest?
Doubt that.
But yeah, I’ve been doing a kind of unofficial ombudsman act on here for a while now. I’m happy to continue.
But I will probably be posting on here a bit more in the coming weeks and months, so you guys will have some opportunities to balance my posts out as well.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh, Mom's coming home for a while
I guess we’ll all have to be on our best behavior.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could not be more wrong about this
That has nothing to do with open discussion. What you are saying is I’ve worked hard here so you will treat what I and I’m guessing Stacey and Zack do with the appropriate reverence. That’s an enforcement, from a moderator, of what the implied tone should be on this blog. Most people on here are nowhere near as outspoken as me (thank god). They see that and see you’re in a mod position and it influences what they say in a way that constricts them.
JP, this is a load of crap. The fact that this discussion is out in plain view is testimony that we don’t censor opinions here. Anyone is free to disagree with the mods, and they do so all the time, with impunity. There is no evidence or even suggestion on the part of folks here that people are influenced “in a way that constricts them”, and before you level that kind of accusation again, I suggest you back it up. When (or should I say "if) you do so, you will find, again, that your comments are left out in the open for the world to see. He don’t hide them, we don’t ban based on disagreements.
When we developed the guidelines, some folks were very outspoken about them, both for and against—and we appreciated that. In fact, we incorporated some of the feedback into the guidelines, which evolved over a period of weeks.
All that said, if you show up and make a drive-by douchey comment (which obviously did not read as sarcasm to some, certainly not to me) about the direction of the site, particularly after being in absentia for months, don’t be surprised if the people who work to make the site what it is both take offense and defend themselves. It’s not the same thing at all as expecting “anyone’s favorable opinion simply on the basis of having done it”, and I know damn well you know the difference.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So it's well known that I love to argue around these parts
But I’m really having a hard time figuring out what the hell this argument is even about or what started it.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to see here, move along.....
Old acquaintances renewing their friendship….
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But but but
I really want to pick a side and get involved! Mix things up a little bit.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case
zknower used the term “drive-by douchey comment”. I think that wins the argument.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do not know
who you are messing with.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true. They don't.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I do
A guy who is grossly overstating his importance while talking about others grossly overstating their importance, who is set off by a fairly benign comment while talking about how others have thin skin and are too sensitive.
I think that about sums it up.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
zing!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
the random guy who’s not involved, but insists on saying things to keep the controversy going and making himself look like a jagoff…just saying…
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah I did forget to mention you, didn't I
My mistake.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Told y'all this was gonna get good
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was actually referring to you, but whatever
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, I expected better than THAT from you!
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I actually thought he might have been under the impression that I was referring to myself. But I’m not usually “that guy” – I’m usually the guy who starts an argument and then insists on keeping it going longer than anybody else is interested.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know who you are, too
You’re that guy who thinks it’s cool to be an asshole to everyone. Hey, it’s funny. But don’t think anyone is under any allusions that you’re not that guy.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
I thought they were the person who’s daughter says things like “you dont even KNOW who nick markakis is!”
Sorry, I had to say it. Please dont let me get involved in this.
by daveh873 on Oct 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never did get the significance of that
or the odd emphasis
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely don't think it's cool.
Just provides me stimulation to argue with people. I like a lively discussion.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I think you misunderstood my "that guy" reference
since it was about you jumping in and stirring up an argument that you weren’t involved in (and attacking both sides in the process) rather than about me “being an asshole to everyone.”
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attacking both sides?
I think it is you who misunderstands.
Johnny Pops has designated himself as the advocate for the masses against the tyrannical actions of the moderators. He was ostensibly speaking for people like me, a member of the unwashed masses.
Well, I disagree with his position. I stayed out of it until I felt both sides had outlined their positions adequately, and then I stepped in and offered my own insight. I started with a little levity, which is what I was assuming you were doing as well. Then I was addressed directly and responded directly. And then you, predictably, stepped in with an asshole comment.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Learn to spell my name, smartie.
Also I am not the advocate of the unwashed masses. They smell bad and I don’t like being around them, even on the Internet. I am an advocate for free speech.
Also no moderator has been termed tyrannical – although I can see you share the same taste for a bit of hyperbole at times as I. I simply do not think it’s appropriate for duck getting out of pocket by tying to limit criticism of content. Criticism is important. Back and forth is important. Anywhere. Even on an Orioles blog.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I simply do not think it’s appropriate for duck getting out of pocket by tying to limit criticism of content.
Where did duck try to limit your criticism? Seriously.
He responded, sure, he took offense, sure, and both of those things are his right. But no one is limiting you here, so put that strawman to bed.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The strawman
is suggesting it’s inappropriate to express your opinion (or in this case not even an opinion, a joke) about something because someone worked hard on it. That’s a bogus assertion.
Now as for me being limited, you’re right. Because I know you guys and will pipe up and not listen to your bullshit. Even if you gang up on me. But someone else, newer to the blog might not take it that way. And that’s not okay.
Plus if you MFers think I’m letting you get away with a comment like that, you are crazy. Simply crazy.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Grossly overstating their importance"
was the attacking that I was referencing. The rest of your post was REALLY interesting despite not being related to anything I said…
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made a comment on a blog
I’m a member of the blog. Anyone can be a member, anyone can join, anyone can post. I posted a reaction to a discussion.
Where am I grossly overstating my importance? By having the audacity to participate?
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow. I feel bad. You're really struggling to follow here.
YOU said:
A guy who is grossly overstating his importance while talking about others grossly overstating their importance,
haha
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I said that
But yeah, I’ve been doing a kind of unofficial ombudsman act on here for a while now. I’m happy to continue.
But I will probably be posting on here a bit more in the coming weeks and months, so you guys will have some opportunities to balance my posts out as well.
Jonny Pops said that. So was my reaction to that comment unfair? I don’t think it was, but maybe you do.
As to what your point is, I’m struggling to follow it because I don’t see a point. And you don’t seem to be in any hurry to clear it up and instead would rather to continue a lively discussion.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said that you stuck your nose in and attacked both sides (by saying they grossly overstated their importance) – I think that’s the part you were missing. I thought it was obvious (I still think it is), but apparently not.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
I was referring to Jonny Pops when I said that, since I assumed that when he made the comment
you do not know
who you are messing with.
that he was referring to himself. Reading the comments in order, is this a poor assumption on my part? I don’t think so, but we may perceive things differently.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which was in response to you sticking your nose in for no reason...
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my point.
I don’t need a reason. You seem to find that audacious. They could have had a private conversation over email or whatever, but they did not. It was here, in the open, transparent for all to see and contribute to, yes? Isn’t that what zknower was talking about? Do you disagree with that?
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less whether you need a reason
But when you do it, it makes you “that guy” who intervenes in an argument ot attack both sides and keep an argument going for no reason. Which is what I said that led you to say I am an asshole to everybody.
I’m really not sure what you’re struggling with right now.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The attack was not on both sides
and I’m not sure why you are still struggling with that.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I called you asshole because
a) you like that distinction, and
b) the way in which you commented was a way in which an asshole comments. It was passive/aggressive.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How was it passive aggressive?
I called you out directly.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you didn't
You would have called me out directly if you called me out directly. Instead, you said “that guy”.
And as to your other comment, you just now have introduced the knowledge of a backstory as a requirement to have an opinion or to voice an observation. How convenient.
So how do you characterize these comments:
But but but
I really want to pick a side and get involved! Mix things up a little bit.
Are those comments from a guy who is above it all and just commenting to show the world how ridiculous the argument is?
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was in direct response to your comment!
And I thought, based on the typical level of discourse on this blog, that you would follow…
You’re right though maybe I should have just called you a fucking prick and been done with it. I chose to go about it more gently – apologies.
How do I characterize those comments? Light-hearted self-deprecating comment about my well-known penchant for arguing? Not sure where you’re going with that…
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you know how to respond directly and how not to be passive aggressive
And you’ve also admitted that you are “that guy” who enters an argument in which he has nothing to do with and draws attention to himself.
At least we’ve gotten that far.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no no again you're confused.
Just because you couldn’t follow my direct response (which you obviously could since you then responded to it calling me an asshole – duh!), does not make it passive aggressive. But I’ll keep in mind that in future if I want to give you shit it’ll have to be as blatant as if I were dealing with a toddler because otherwise you’ll pretend not to follow.
And to be clear, that comment was joking about how I like to argue – I made no comment about anybody’s side in the ongoing argument. There’s a clear difference.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's not a difference
I’m sorry that your deficiency in the ability to form a logical and reasoned argument has brought you to a point in your life where you perceive others to be deficient.
And again, your response alludes to your opinion of yourself as a disinterested omnipotent observer who has the right to contribute to all discussions while also possessing the authority to pass judgment against others who do the same. I think we’re done here.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I most definitely have the right to contribute and comment. I’ll continue doing so whenever I please. But again if you can’t see the difference between attacking one side’s argument when you aren’t involved in the discussion (what you did) and making a joking comment about my own arguing (what I did), forgive me if I won’t take offense at your attempts to belittle my intellect.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are forgiven
I didn’t expect you to take offense; I’m sure you’re used to people belittling your intellect at this point in your life.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know it!
And it’s usually by people just like you who can’t put a coherent argument together.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 31, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the wonderful vocabulary, don't forget
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to pop some popcorn now....
BRB. Wait for me, will ya?
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how all this is hear on the numerology post
the Open Thread is all, “what happened to me?”
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
* here
ug. how embarrassing.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is feeling unappreciated in its role
Maybe JP can go yell at it and make it feel even worse about itself.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually you don't....
…and apparently you haven’t read the thread either or you would term this (from duck) as being set off:
as sarcasm
it was lame.
And yeah, I took offense. I’ve been busting my butt getting this stuff together every AM at 6:15 for the past month, and to have you, Mr. I-Disappeared-Into-Witness-Protection-The-Last-Two-Months, bust my balls didn’t go over too well.
Not my comment which the above was responding to:
Oh relax Captain Sensitive:
…there are baseline things that have already been established between us like respect, appreciation and all that good shit. As you know.
Now if you have actually read this, given that you seem to speak decent English, I’m forced to assume either you have no idea what you’re talking about, or are kissing someone else’s ass, or both.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone didn't appreciate your particular brand of humor this morning
and you extrapolated that unique instance into a persistent pattern of past behavior. That’s just not the case.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone
said that since they work so hard, don’t make jokes about me or, actually, other mods. That’s childish and cause for more criticism which was offered in a friendly way at first – as I demonstrated in my quote above, assuring duck I appreciated and had respect for him. Which was rebuked with more whining and off to the races we go. I didn’t start an argument with duck and your representation of what I’ve said here is wholly inaccurate. I get it. You’ve picked a side and now you’re talking smack till the end. Been there, done that. But you’re still wrong. As the thread shows, clearly.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just know that your comments don't read as "friendly"
I certainly didn’t think you were participating in friendly banter with duck. So your intentions are one thing and perception is another, and your comments were perceived, at least to me, to be mean-spirited attacks. It appears others might also share this perception, or “misconception”, since you’re saying that you did not intend to be anything but jocular. I believe you, but that’s not how it came across.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replying that there are baseline things that have been established between duck and i like respect and appreciation sounds friendly to me. Nice try though.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I made a smartass comment
about the smartass comment YOU made about the place going downhill since SC left. Let’s at least state the case correctly. When you objected, I stated why I made it. And away we went…
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't know who they are messing with.
But I’d like to see some competition for “drive-by douchery” if at all possible.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go with zk, personally
He’s usually the voice of reason, with a dash of “Don’t fuck with me” thrown in.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Balderdash!
Again, you’ve associated my criticism of duck above with criticism of your own actions as a mod on here – and in a lame and equivocating way to boot. ZK’s Guidelines and duck wanting to be loved for his contributions are, in this line of defense, one and the same apparently.
duck and now you are being way too sensitive about your roles on here. You’re also both being way too sensitive about me busting chops, which tells me something is wrong with what you think your role is. Again, you have both been reading my posts on here for years and know my tone by now. Your arguments otherwise are bogus and I am not buying them for one minute. My post above is tame by the standards of the shit I used to put on here as you also know.
Not having been here a while – and more importantly since SC said Adios – and seeing a stark difference from mods I know upon my return is a cause for concern. Nobody around here used to whine about all the work they did on this place when somebody or other was busting balls. They’d either engage the person and call them an asshole or not. But what they wouldn’t do is act entitled, which duck did above – and Stacey did not by the way. She gave me a short, sweet, snide comment right back – the way it’s supposed to be.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balderdash?
Is that even a word?
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes it is.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude STAY OUT OF IT
“As one grabbing hold of the ears of a dog is anyone passing by that is becoming furious at the quarrel that is not his.”
by NewYorkOriole on Oct 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I might remember what your tone is
if I’d seen it in the last 4 months.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
…your fallback argument. My absence.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because it's repetitive
doesn’t mean it’s incorrect.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incorrect about what?
Again, it’s an entitlement argument. I’ve been here, you haven’t! Wahhhhhhhhhhh!
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
duck and stacey are different.
i’m different from both of them.
we don’t all behave the same way, which is a good thing. lends some balance to the place. if 2/3 of us are not behaving the way you’d prefer, I’d say we’re hitting it about right.
“stark difference”? I’m not seeing that. “whining”? Not seeing that either. we’re pretty uch the way we’ve always been. as are you. how refreshing!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
name this quote:
“Well I can’t tell who I’m running against sometimes!”
And that goes for you and your BFF duck. Not the lovely Stacey who knows how to roll with a little chin music and is my paisan.
You picked the wrong horse here, Zack. Sad, sad, sad when what passes for a reasoned man let’s misplaced loyalties and misunderstood arguments bend his tune.
This place needs to be fast and loose. Period. That is the extent of my “importance” here as your newfound groupie PhilR8 would term it. An open exchange of ideas with limited moderator interference…and yes that includes:
And yeah, I took offense. I’ve been busting my butt getting this stuff together every AM at 6:15 for the past month, and to have you, Mr. I-Disappeared-Into-Witness-Protection-The-Last-Two-Months, bust my balls didn’t go over too well.
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Where’s my moderator baby bottle!
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Well I can’t tell who I’m running against sometimes!"
Not getting this reference, sorry.
You picked the wrong horse here, Zack. Sad, sad, sad when what passes for a reasoned man let’s misplaced loyalties and misunderstood arguments bend his tune.
I disagree that I’ve bent my tune. But thanks for your insight. I promise to mull it over.
This place needs to be fast and loose. Period.
No, not “period”. If this place is only fast and loose, it becomes not-worth-visiting in a hurry. Read through all the threads from this summer, particularly after our merge with Yahoo (did you know about that?), and tell me I’m wrong. Before we clamped things down, we lost regular visitors in droves, some of whom haven’t returned. In there place we ha people bring teh-major-batshit-crazy. We did ban a few folks, for good reasons: homophobia, personal attaks (especially against Stacey) and the like. But never for being outspoken or for having a different opinion. The regulars who left saw all this happening and weren’t quiet on their way out, either. A typical (paraphrased) comment was, “this pace has gone to hell. I loved this blog because it was the only place I could get reasoned, well-written intelligent Orioles discussion, and now it’s just as bad as si.com or the like.” Before we lost everyone, we took some steps and put some structure in play, again, with SC’s input and blessing.
I’d say “this place needs to be fast and loose….but with a little bit of order tying it all together.” You’re welcome to disagree, but I think you’ll find the majority of folks who come here don’t want the Wild West.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
this whole time, you repeatedly sound like you’re having an argument with yourself over your actions this past summer. I’ve already tacitly agreed that you did what you had to do, with in my opinion a little overkill, and that I was not here at the time. Yet you continue to bring this up. I get the feeling you’re a bit torn about it.
But with that said. I agree, fast and loose with a little bit of order to keep the trains running on time. No argument there.
To me however, making comments that “I work hard on this content so don’t dare criticize” is not cool for someone in an authority position to behave. How would you feel if you went on Roch’s blog, disagreed with something or had a view that went counter to what he felt was kosher, and he replied “I work hard on this. Don’t criticize me. I take offense.”? What would you think of him as a professional? Seriously.
“Well I can’t tell who I’m running against sometimes!”
Is what Barack Obama said to Hillary Clinton in the Democratic debate before the SC primary, referencing Bill Clinton’s involvement in her campaign.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
making comments that "I work hard on this content so don’t dare criticize" is not cool for someone in an authority position to behave.
I agree with this statement 100%. I just don’t agree with you that that’s what duck said.
Duck wrote:
Gee, thanks for the compliment for all the time and work we’ve done
Appreciated.
in response to you saying,
…Why do we gotta be plugging Brotz’s blog? Are we really that out of material? Do I actually have to write some shit for once?
and later,
I swear…
I leave this place for a few months and everything goes straight to heck.
If I were to paraphrase duck’s, it wouldn’t be “don’t dare criticize”, but something more like, “maybe since you haven’t been aorund, you haven’t noticed a lot of the other content we’ve put up.”
shorter version of what i’m saying here:
you think duck is saying: “don’t you dare criticize us.”
I think duck is saying: “there have been a lot of days with original content here. you don’t seem to appreciate that.”
if he were saying the former, i’d agree with you, but i think he’s saying the latter, and i think he has every right to do so.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and thanks for the barack quote
i’d totally forgotten. good times!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was....
….fucking with you guys. As I always do.
duck responds being way too serious.
“Gee thanks for the compliment…”
I try to reassure, while still making my point.
“Oh relax Captain Sensitive.
…there are baseline things that have already been established between us like respect, appreciation and all that good shit. As you know."
And I’m met with,
as sarcasm goes
it was lame.
And yeah, I took offense. I’ve been busting my butt getting this stuff together every AM at 6:15 for the past month, and to have you, Mr. I-Disappeared-Into-Witness-Protection-The-Last-Two-Months, bust my balls didn’t go over too well.
Now seriously, stop bullshitting. How exactly is that not “I work on this shit hard so don’t dare criticize”? I like to hold onto arguments for too long myself, but this is ridiculous Zack. It really is. And I’m not pissed at you. I just don’t think you’re being for real here.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all about tone
i see some of what you’re saying, i guess. but not enough to come up with this extreme characterization of duck saying, “don’t you dare criticize, because i work hard and i’m a mod.”. i guess i feel that way because duck gets criticized all the time and doesn’t really bat an eye.
tone also points to why not everyone got that you were fucking with us. many a truth is spoken in jest and all that. you seem to say you were just kidding, but some of your follow-up comments imply that you weren’t.
there is some validity to the idea that if we’d “heard your voice” more recently, we might have clued in sooner. that’s not to take issue with you being gone, it’s just to say that it takes a moment to adjust to your particular metier when you come back. it’s kind of like listening to the first ten minutes of shakespeare or deadwood. you’re confused, and then you’re like, oh, ok, it’s this again. now i remember. "
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck happened to you, man?
Seriously? I’m sense some displaced anger that really needs to be directed at its source. And talk about not being able to recognized a dig…
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh bullshit....
…you know you had a hissy up there. Don’t even try to out-Freud me.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A well-deserved hissy, imho
But yes, a hissy.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well deserved over a joke that was not even directed at you? Stop lying. A hissy is what it is: a hissy.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
BFF?
Zack, I owe you a friendship bracelet, I guess.
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"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are those bullets?
just what i’d expect from you.
i’ll make you leather wristband with your name stamped on it later, i promise.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just did a GIS for friendship bracelet
and it looked cool.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus!
And Bob McDonnell is advertising on this blog!! Does Markos Moulitsas know about this?
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wanna trade?
I’ve got an ad for Red Sox merchandise and a banner for Saw VI. How the hell are there six Saw movies?
by O Nina on Oct 30, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my work blocks all the ads
but at home I’ve been getting almost exclusively Yankees ads. Nice.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw a Jimmy Johns ad
which both made me hungry and angry. The closest Jimmy Johns is in Columbia :(
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, i live in columbia!
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumbest damn street names in the USA
I drive by Wild Bees Lane every time I drive to my in-laws. WTF?
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's part of our charm
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have two ads for TLC granola bars
I think they might have missed their target demographic.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For TLC?
I thought you loved that group. I mean who doesn’t. You’ve got Left Eye, Chili….
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was the third chick?
Even me and my metal self knows Waterfalls is a cool tune.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a winner
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
I play bass and pretty much listen to all indie stuff, but that waterfalls has an AMAZING bass line….and I don’t even like R&B….
by NewYorkOriole on Oct 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have any opinion on (or have you heard of)
Fodera basses? Just curious…
by daveh873 on Oct 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like tasty little chewies
My GF is a vegetarian due to allergies, so I’ve been exposed to all kinds of Kashi awesomeness. They’re good.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pulp Fiction goodness
“My girlfriend’s a vegetarian, which pretty much means I’m a vegetarian…”
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm lucky that she likes to make and smell meat
she just can’t eat it. She’s even made me bacon. I think she might be a keeper.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
refusal to embrace bacon in some fashion
would be approaching grounds for divorce, IMHO.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at the risk of being banned...
I must admit, I hate bacon. Cant stand the stuff.
by daveh873 on Oct 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we ban for bacon-hatred about once a week.
WATCH YOURSELF, mister.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
I watch a lot of Food Network and a lot of the hoity-toity chefs think that bacon is like the perfect taste. I’m inclined to agree. I mean, normally I’d probably be against the treatment of pigs and all the ethics associated with pork and pig intelligence and whatnot, but the taste of pork/bacon is like a parasite that takes over my brain and makes me not care.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the odd thing
is if you give me a good pulled pork sandwich im in heaven. Love the stuff. Put bacon or ham in front of me though and i’m likely to vomit.
by daveh873 on Oct 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ham I could do without
I do love a good pulled pork sandwich as well. Probably one of my favorite types of sandwiches.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about honeybaked ham?
That shit is delicious.
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no ham at all
pulled pork and sometimes ribs. thats about it.
by daveh873 on Oct 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's okay
I like Ham, and I eat it from time to time. But usually there’s a lot of other things on a menu that I’d rather eat.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll only eat ham if it's green, and comes with eggs

I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, me too!
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost never
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In college
usually on Sundays, I would go to the dining hall, get a plate, pile it high with bacon, and eat it with my hands. Ew, sorry. But I really did. I’m not sure how I don’t weight 500 pounds or have heart disease. My sophomore year it got so bad I had to give up bacon for Lent.
by O Nina on Oct 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell else would a person eat bacon with?
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
green eggs?
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bacon's always been finger food to me
But I’m not exactly the person you want to consult for manners.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, my mom is big on manners
and she drilled a lot of weird rules into me… some of them stuck, others did not. Bacon with a fork is just impractical, especially when it’s crispy. You just end up breaking the bacon in tiny pieces, and no one is happy.
by O Nina on Oct 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I eat with my mouth
not sure what species you guys are.
by PhilR8 on Oct 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOAH WOAH WOAH
Dave, I put up with a lot of shit from you, but to hate bacon? That ’s worse than hating Bruce Springsteen.
(also I know I’m late to the party but what can I say)
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LISTEN...
just because you are a mod doesnt mean you can tell me what kind of pig products to like. Thats messed up. Freedom of choice of pork and pork-related food stuffs is what made this blog great. If I wanted to be judged on my views of different breakfast meats I could go to OH. Don’t throw a hissy.
by daveh873 on Oct 31, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU WILL EAT BACON AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!!!!
Don’t you know how hard I work to make sure everyone knows the deliciousness of bacon and other pork products? And don’t even START on taylor ham, Jersey boy.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 31, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the Community Guidelines need an update....
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 31, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you know how hard I work to make sure everyone knows the deliciousness of bacon and other pork products?
PROVE IT!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Oct 31, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss me some bacon.
I stopped eating red meat and pork around two years ago and really don’t miss much of it at all, but I miss bacon. Especially things wrapped in bacon. Ummmm
by O'sFan21 on Oct 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
try this

I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quite possibly
the best movie of all time, at least in my eyes.
by daveh873 on Oct 30, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I foresee myself wasting a lot of time/becoming more educated (however you wanna look at it!) on that site.
And how awesome is it that former Orioles contacted Kevin to let them know they liked it? That’s some great validation right there.
by O Nina on Oct 30, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's great
Earlier this year I was looking at old photos with my mom and we found a bunch my dad had taken at an O’s game in 1979. I used Kevin’s site to identify a few of the players who’s faces I didn’t recognize (the photos were taken facing them so I couldn’t see the names on the jerseys).
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must say
Brotz, your blog has certainly sparked some convo today. Congrats!
by daveh873 on Oct 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have not read this entire thread....
But in fractured times like today, we need a common enemy. We need AMA.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Oct 30, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am
..the NEW AMA!!!!!
Mission Accomplished!

by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The new AMA? I wouldn’t go with the Joker then.
This is better.
NOOOOOOOOO.
Your midichlorian count was promising at one point JP. You were suppose to save us from AMA, not become him.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Oct 30, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your midichlorian count
cough NERD! cough
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever dude, you know eat that shit up.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Oct 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, the worst scene in the history of cinema
and that includes all six Saw movies. James Earl Jones, what have you been brought down to?
Seriously, how did George Lucas look at this in the editing bay and say, “Yes! That’s EXACTLY what I was going for!”
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF, that scene RULES.
The NOOOOO is just too good.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Oct 30, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Wood would have done a better job
That scene killed 6 movies for me.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could post audio clips as a post. JJ blows a save? Instead of posting WTF, you suck JJ, choker, etc., I would rather post an audio clip of “NOOOO!”.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Oct 30, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think that's half the problem
without AMA here, JP has nobody to dismantle.
now THOSE were some popcorn-worthy discussions.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am NOT sorry about what I did there
Not at all.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhhhh
Okay. We get it.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhhhh
If you recall, I completely stopped engaging AMA for like a year.
I think you guys 1) have just become unaccustomed to my tone – which is my fault too. Communication is a 2way street – and 2) duck threw a hissy.
by Jonny Pops on Oct 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
that's 6 occurrences of "hissy" on this page.....
….now 7. That’s gotta be a new CC record.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say you're 2-for-2 on that.
I’d just say my motives were not as self-serving as you would ascribe them to be. ;)
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Can I just say
I just now read this entire thing and here are my thoughts.
1) By the time that argument was over I didn’t even know who was saying what. Have O’sfan21 and JP joined forces?
2) Poor Brotzy probably showed up here and thought, “Wow, look at all the discussion my blog has sparked,” only to be sorely disappointed.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JP will have to start using a lot more obscenities if he wants my fuckin' support!
by O'sFan21 on Oct 31, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have O’sfan21 and JP joined forces?
NOOOOOOO!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Oct 31, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No official overtures have been made...
….but I’ll be watching that kid. That I can assure you.
by Jonny Pops on Nov 1, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are always two
A master and an apprentice….
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Nov 1, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Destroy the Sith, we must.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Nov 1, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3. Bacon is good.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 31, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it's not!
haven’t you read a word I’ve said? or written for that matter!?
by daveh873 on Oct 31, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are on thin ice
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Oct 31, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i stand on dave's side
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 31, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stace: Wow, NumerOlogy IS a cool site-- thx! As for the rest of the above (JP, OaF21), Vanya 'n' Niko wanna know: что за хуйня?!?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Oct 31, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess
We all now know how to say “What the fuck?” in Russian, right Titov?
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Oct 31, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ding-ding-ding!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Oct 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I just got here, what did I miss?
- skims comments *
- shows self out *
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Oct 31, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
















