Poll: Do you approve of Dave Trembley returning next year?
by yurizanow on Oct 4, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
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PrintI was surprised by the number of people in the Camden Chat community who seem to be pleased that Dave Trembley will return next year. I really expected a different reaction to the news than what I saw on the thread, but I'm not sure if that thread was representative of the community at large or self-selected.
I thought that the best thing to do is to get to the bottom of it with a poll and see what Camden Chat really thinks.
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We need an upgrade at this position.
Someone who makes better in-game decisions and someone who can upgrade the other coaching staff positions.
this vote is kinda like...
this.
I “approve” of him coming back, but honestly either way it wouldnt be the the end of the world. If you really think that him returning or not returning is gonna be a huge development in the future of this franchise, well, I dont know what to tell you. Odds are the O’s arent winning the world series next year. Do I think he’s good enough to bring a winning team to Bmore? Absolutely. Do I think he’s a all time great manager? No. When it comes down to it, it’s just not worth hours of fighting on the internet over. If this team was competeing and 1 or 2 wins were the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, sure. Until then, he seems to be good with the kids and helping them develop and I like him as a person. Thats good enough for me at this point.
by daveh873 on Oct 4, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
When it comes down to it, it’s just not worth hours of fighting on the internet over.
I’m pretty sure this applies to all possible internet arguments.
yeah but then what's the point of the internet
the internet it here to engage in debates and conflicts without the possibility of physical reprisal. Otherwise it’s just shopping and porn.
And free music and movies
if you know where to look
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by twistedlogic on Oct 5, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It ain't shopping
if you ain’t payin’ fer it.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
I like the signing
I do not think it was all his fault for the losses. He had to put in bullpen pitchers who should not even be on an MLB roster. Sherrill was our most reliable bullpen pitcher and he is gone. Johnson was reliable but struggled when he took over the closer role. Hendrickson was solid from the pen. Bass is awful. Merideth sucks
The stats disagree with your assesment of Mr. Megadeth
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Wow you are totally right
I did not realize how effective he had been lately, he lowered his ERA over 1 run in the past month or so. I guess i did not realize because I have not been watching the games lately haha
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Oct 4, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted for approve
But if we had fired him and were waiting for a replacement, I probably would also approve of that.
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Where is the indifferent option?
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
just for the record, I would have voted for this option.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
me too, probably
there’s no reason to be upset about something that won’t make any difference this year.
I vote yes.
I think it comes down to the fact that the entire organization knew going in that this was a “let’s see what we have” year. You can’t do that & then hold the manager accountable for the W-L record. He had to deal with the losses of Sherrill, Huff, Jones, Pie v.2, Reimold, Koji, Bergesen, Guthrie2008.
While there are things I don’t like about DD’s managerial style, the players like him. And continuity at this point is probably more important than switching up skippers when nobody knows how Dave would manage if he had an actual pitching rotation or a bullpen that wasn’t chock full of arsonists.
So, I’m good. I think it’s the right move for now. Don’t know if he’s the mgr of the future, but he’s earned the right to get a shot in a non-rebuilding year.
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I don't know
Whether to approve of it or not. Although Trembley had to deal with losses and bad players, the motivation of the players, the handling of baserunning mistakes from VETERANS, wasn’t good.
And I don’t know whether players like him, to be honest. If you don’t remember, he called out Pie after a baserunning mistake that wasn’t Felix’s fault. Dave doesn’t hold himself accountable. Some of the ugly stuff this year was his fault – not who we trotted out there, not the inexperience of the young players etc.
But, of all his faults, who knows what he would’ve been able to do with a good team. I still think some of his managing mistakes were all HIM, not the players. His stupid pitch count model, his lack of motivation in the club house…it ain’t good. I know I sound pessimistic, because I am. To be honest, I doubt he’ll do better this year. If we’re not trying to compete next year, fine. If we are…I’m hesitant about this decision.
How do you know the pitch count thing was his choice?
I always assumed that came from the front office wanting to take care of the young guys’ arms.
And I don’t really know how you judge his motivation in the clubhouse…
People vote for Trembley not because he is a good manager.
They vote for him because the “like him”. A good sign of a losing culture. Fans fall in love with the player/manager and don’t look at the big picture. The need to rid the organization of players and coaches festered in losing. We need new leadership, new players at some positions and an upgrade.
Success in 2010. Playoffs in 2011. Go Orioles!
not entirely true
i rather dislike trembley, but i really don’t know who we’d replace him with other than the other recycled managers who’ve been losing elsewhere.
by twistedlogic on Oct 7, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides being enormously patronizing, I don’t think this is true. Look at the posts.
indifferent
That would be my vote if there was an option for it.
I "approve" of him coming back, but honestly either way it wouldnt be the the end of the world.
Where is the indifferent option?
But if we had fired him and were waiting for a replacement, I probably would also approve of that.
i rather dislike trembley, but i really don’t know who we’d replace him with other than the other recycled managers who’ve been losing elsewhere.
I get the sense of indifference… at the basic level. I’m sure people’s opinions are bit more nuanced than this but most the comments suggest there are plenty of people who don’t have strong feelings towards Dave either way. So I think it’s better to actually look at what people are saying rather than making conclusions that fit your preconceived notions.
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I just noticed this
I was looking at Dave Trembley’s managerial page and noticed that it was sponsored by Camden Chat’s own Duck complete with this quote:
"I’m telling you right now, I take it real personal. I don’t like losing…I live and die with this team." – Dave Trembley
also...
I noticed nobody is currently sponsoring John Gibbons’ manager page. $10 bucks will do it, people!
oh man
I’m tempted to do it.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
Yup, that's me.
And proud of it. :)
But seriously, if there was a better option available? I’d buy the fruit basket as the parting gift for Diamond Dave.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
Surprised
at this poll, meaning alot more want him to come back than to stay. I would like to see him canned, but I don’t think they’ll do it, maybe if they start 2010 season out poorly than I can see it happening, but only if their April is crap.
by F4PhantomPhreak on Oct 12, 2009 3:16 AM EDT reply actions
I didn't approve
of him coming back this year. The reason is simple:
He doesn’t understand baseball.
All arguments about “Well, it’s not his fault.” “He doesn’t have the right talent to work with.” etc etc. are irrelevant. Watch how he manages a game. He makes glaring mistakes all the time, most notably giving away outs like free cheese samples at Trader Joe’s with his obsession with small ball BS. His lineups could use some work as well – Mlelmlo in the 5 Spot for how long this season? – but it’s really the never ending dumbass baserunning plays that disqualify him for the job.
Eh
I think all the mistakes you could possibly attribute to him over the course of the season account for one or two losses at absolute most. And sometimes his mistakes result in good things – like the time he left Greg Zaun in to hit with much better options on the bench and he hit a game-tying HR. I was screaming about how retarded that was at the time, but whatever. I’m of the opinion that in-game management just doesn’t matter that much. I think the discontinuity of bringing in YET ANOTHER manager would be worse for the team than seeing what he can do with an actual roster next year (or more of an actual roster).
Doesn't his overall philosophy bother you?
I just don’t see him as being the kind of guy who is cultivating the right habits from his players in terms of plate discipline and valuing outs in a division with two big money teams that do. I’m convinced that the whole idea that there is some cheap-shit way to success through bunting a guy over and doing the little things and stupid shit like that makes for dumb players who don’t value at-bats and are careless on the basepaths and on the field. In my mind that creates much more of a problem than whatever comes from the discontinuity of yet another manager.
Honestly, I don’t even think he has an overall philosophy. I don’t really seem him as a small ball guy who does a ton of bunting. I’d like to see some stats (but of course am too lazy to look them up) to see whether the O’s under Trembley have sacrifice bunted any more than any other teams. Whenever I’ve heard him talk about “the little things” in the past I’ve just interpretted it as since we don’t have the big pieces to make a run in the more traditional way, we damn well better do the little things right (I read the “little things” more as situational hitting, working the count, taking the extra base, etc rather than bunting and hitting and running) if we want to have a prayer. I assume that when we have better pieces in place that mentality will shift a bit. I really don’t have any idea whether to attribute the horrible baserunning to him or not, but hopefully he’ll make it a focus next year.
I stand corrected
I just looke it up and the Orioles did the least amount of sacrifice bunting in the American League last year. They did the fifth-most in 2007 and the second-least in 2008, so there appears to be a trend that I approve.
Obviously, this really surprised me.
Very cool – thanks for looking that up. Maybe it’s just that DD picks really stupid times to do it so they stand out in your mind?
I was wondering about that after looking up those stats
Living in New York I only get to see them is when they play the Yankees. Now, I will be the first to say that my anecdotal memories of the games they play against the Yankees is a horrible sampling to evaluate the Orioles offensive style, it seemed like every time I watched them they unsuccessfully hit and run or sacrifice bunted and other seem to have similar memories.
The numbers say I’m wrong, but I’m still really surprised.
With next year's lineup
I believe you will see a lot less bunting. The Huff-Melmo dynamic duo will both be gone, and with them their offensive liabilities.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
Since there's STILL no third category up there, I think we have to award Dave the keys to the '10 season on Defensive Indifference
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
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