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Your Off-Season Daily O: Nolan Reimold

Eye on the O's, ear on Ravens
"You might have thought that attendance at the Orioles' final game of the year was enough evidence to establish a Baltimore sports fan's loyalty. But you would have been wrong. From the box seats to the bleachers, even as the Orioles delivered an inspired extra-inning victory over the Toronto Blue Jays to end their season, fans cupped their ears and hunched over BlackBerrys for updates of the Ravens' clash with the New England Patriots." I just about broke my TV remote switching between the two myself. - duck

New attendance low for Camden Yards
"For the second consecutive season, the Orioles have set a new Camden Yards low in attendance. With an announced 17,969 at the finale Sunday against the Toronto Blue Jays, the Orioles drew 1,907,163, in 81 games, a dropoff from the previous low in 2008 (1,950,077), when they had 78 home dates." Everyone who's surprised, raise your hand. Yeah, that's what I thought. - duck

Carpenter, Hill voted comeback players of year
"Chris Carpenter has been voted NL comeback player of the year and Aaron Hill has won the AL award." Well, isn't that special. - duck

Steve Henderson out as Rays hitting coach
"The Tampa Bay Rays have fired hitting coach Steve Henderson following a season in which the Rays set team records for runs, home runs, on-base percentage and walks." Seems manager Joe Maddon wasn't thrilled with th eteam's situational hitting. Please, Dave Trembley, borrow this idea. - duck

Free Agents: Tampa Bay Rays have decision to make about Carl Crawford and B.J. Upton
"Carl Crawford and the Rays are saying the right things about an extension, but the presence of B.J. Upton and rising prospect Desmond Jennings puts the Rays in position to trade either Crawford or Upton this winter." Oh, no, a division rival may lose a good player. Boo hoo. And I am loving the fact we have our outfield locked up for the next 3 years.- duck

Free Agents: Erik Bedard, Free Agent at the End of the Season
"The Mariners were willing to give up Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, and George Sherrill for Bedard, even though they knew that Bedard was going to be a free agent after the 2009 season. But now, as Bedard plans to explore the free agent market for the first time, he will not be greeted by the lavish multi-year contracts the best pitchers are met with." - duck

Free Agents: The Market For Jason Bay
"To be honest with you, when things were going well I didn’t think I was going to break the bank and when things got real bad I wasn’t thinking I’ve ruined my season by any means. I am pretty good at taking things for what it is everyday and I never, even at this point, I am not thinking with every RBI I get I am adding an extra X amount . . . I don’t buy into that stuff." Not that we're in the market for outfielders, but ya never know...- duck

Who's the man? Huh? Who's the man? Wait till I get another Open Thread! I'm a line ya friends up right beside you! Where ya at, huh? Where ya at?

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Wasn't the low attendance story posted...

in yesterday’s open thread? No biggie. I know I’m in the minority here, but I could care less about football. I’d be scoring the game, even if it was a meaningless October game between two meaningless clubs (this year, at least).

Oh well, I’m enjoying my day off – had a wisdom tooth removed yesterday afternoon….

by NewYorkOriole on Oct 6, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

What are you?

on dope?

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Oct 6, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

My dad and brother are huge football fans….I just never got it. I mean, I understand the rules, and I’ll watch the superbowl with friends – but I just don’t care. There’s no attachment or emotional investment in it for me. I don’t get it either…..

by NewYorkOriole on Oct 6, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

YOu got your wisdom teeth taken out yesterday

You HAVE to be on dope.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Oct 6, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

posted at the same time as me.

I went to Brett Cecil beating the Orioles like 2-0 the day after wisdom teeth this year. Hydrocodone wore off in the 7th, and I was miserable.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Oct 6, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

I already had three removed earlier, but they spent so much time fighting with the last one that they decided to wait to take out the last one – I was in the chair for something like three hours and they had to keep giving me novocaine because it kept wearing off. The dentist told me I was going to be in alot of pain, so he gave me a prescription for Vicadin. Oh buddy. That stuff is good. :-p Anyway, they finally went in and took out the last one yesterday. I only got Ibuprofen this time, but it doesn’t hurt nearly as much as last time. Man – I was out for a whole week last time…..

by NewYorkOriole on Oct 6, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

We met Brett Cecil's mom and sister

at Pickles before the game on Saturday. Did you know he’s from Maryland?

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Oct 6, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugn

Yeah, that’s how I heard of him before I saw him pitch. He had a good year.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Oct 6, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was sitting on the wrong side of the table to get in on that

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Oct 6, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Cecilia wanted Rick the Jays fan.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I ran into him after the game...

He and us were way drunker…. we reminisced about nothing in the streets for about 20 minutes before Grove and I caught our first of about 10 cab rides for the night. We were painting the town till like 4….

by Wieters Wieners on Oct 6, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can't compete with the accent

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Oct 6, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the duplicate

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Oct 6, 2009 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Whats the point stacey?

We’re just a front for the Sun or something, remember?

by kba26 on Oct 6, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're just stating the obvious

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

ooh, i'll have to go back and look at that one

::rubs hands gleefully::

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Oct 6, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free Agents

I wish that either Billy Rowell (a complete bust) or Brandon Snyder (unlikely to pan out) were panning out. I would be much more hopeful for the future if we had a blue chip bat in the high minors. The Os apparently have only one corner infield prospect, Bell (3B) and nothing of interest at first. Should the team splurge on a big bat this off-season, or wait until next year? One plus is that because of our poor record, the team can sign a Type A free agent without surrendering a draft pick.

by BaltoBen on Oct 6, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't have a real good answer for third

but for first we’ve picked up Michael Aubrey and Rhyne Hughes who could be decent. Plus we might force Luke Scott to play first even though he’s pretty good defensively.
Also anybody know what injury Scott Moore had this year? He used to be a good option at third

by OsandRoyals on Oct 6, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should the team splurge on a big bat this off-season, or wait until next year? One plus is that because of our poor record, the team can sign a Type A free agent without surrendering a draft pick.

If you know where one is, be sure to let us know. Free agent market is woefully thin right now.

by kba26 on Oct 6, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

MacPhail isn't going to sign type A free agents

At least I don’t think he’ll give away the draft picks. He’s already said some mumbo jumbo about dominoes falling into place with trades. I expect him to eventually package a set of promising youngsters for some big pieces, along the lines of the Red Sox. He’s said he doesn’t plan on trading off youth this year, but getting overpaid can change one’s mind. I guess it is more likely to happen next year for a move in 2011. If he doesn’t get a deal for the bat (or pitcher), maybe we’re in for another bullpen revamp (not done like Beattie and Flanagan) while he hopes Wieters power comes, Jones figures his game out, and the pitching develops.

by drj on Oct 6, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've come to really like all of our young guys...

I’d be sad to see any of them go, even if we got equal or better value in return…..

by NewYorkOriole on Oct 6, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't give up on Snyder

He was quite young for AAA and had lousy luck. Plus, he’s still making improvements.

Even atheists believe in Matt Wieters

by wickedwitch on Oct 6, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he was excellent in AA with Bowie

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by Jordan Tuwiner on Oct 6, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steve Henderson - scapegoat

Fired for “situational hitting”? What the hell does that mean? The Rays were above average in both pitching (ERA+ 105) and hitting (OPS+ 102). That’s not going to get it done against the Yankees and Red Sox. Those two team both hit for more power, scored more runs, and had similar or better pitching. I guess the Rays front office can’t say that while pitching regressed some, they didn’t have enough power to compete against the Red Sox and a very improved Yankee team. The O’s face the same mountain and MacPhail has been pretty upfront in this regard. He treats us intelligently with rather straightforward assessments of the team (like them or not). No BS about lack of “situational hitting”.

by drj on Oct 6, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

anyone who isn't a manager

always looks like they got the shaft when its just them who gets the axe.

i guess you could argue that pitching/hitting coaches might really be influential, but most of that should be in the offseason. but most of these guys in the bigs (whos names aren’t desserts) should already have a pretty good idea of what theyre doing by the time they get here. hitting coaches are just for kicks.

"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel

by swilhelmross on Oct 6, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the right price

Hank Blalock interests me a little bit. He’s not going to cost any draft picks and is relatively young. I do realize he hasn’t put up monster numbers and he’s a fragile little flower but he would give us an option at 3B/1B/DH for a year or two.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Oct 6, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Doesn't he

have an arm injury, maybe shoulder preventing him from playing third? And really I think third is where we have a hole opening up.
I’m hoping we might get Crede on a minor league deal or at least a high-incentive deal. Use him and somebody else at third.

by OsandRoyals on Oct 6, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...thought he was "healthy" but maybe not

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Crede talking about retiring?

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

His back retired a few seasons ago

Its just waiting for his mind to catch up.

by kba26 on Oct 6, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

When to compete

With their money, the Yankees and the Sox can compete every year. As a mid-range team, perhaps the O’s need to develop a strategy that allows them to compete for a time and then re-build.

This is one reason why I didn’t like the Hobgood pick. He isn’t the same age as the 20 year olds who are the heart of our team. High school pitchers are not only the riskiest of choices, but-even under the best case scenario- he won’t be in Baltmore for at least several years.

Under this approach, we would not try to peak until the young pitchers have established themselves, which might happen in 2011 or 2012. Then, we would go out and spend on the missing pieces. By then, we will also know if Bell and Snyder are big leaguers. So, I would hate to give up young talent now just to become somewhat better but still way below the Yanks and Sox. We will be better next year regardless, and until we are ready to compete at the highest level I am content to stick with spare parts at the corners and DH.

by BaltoBen on Oct 6, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

could always give up hobgood...if he has any value at this point

at least he hasn’t crashed and burned yet

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Oct 6, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

High School Pitchers

Also have the highest upside. Part of it just depends on what competition they are facing and how advanced they are. Look at Porcello right now who’s probably a league-average pitcher while jumping from A to the MLB level.
Hopefully the high school picks will start appearing in the majors as we start losing pitchers like Guthrie or Matuez. I think the plan is to reload, not just get decent pitchers to the majors

by OsandRoyals on Oct 6, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like to hear from some people who know baseball...

I’m not a big time baseball head, more than a casual fan, but definitely don’t have the insight of some of the guys/girls on here, so don’t cook me for this suggestion..

Do u guys think we could bring Bedard back into fold? It seems to me that the rotation for next year would be Tillman, Matusz, Guthrie, hopefully Bergensen. I know we have Hernandez, Bergen, and Patton probably fighting for that last spot, but I would think having Bergen and Hernandez in the bullpen would help our concerns there without spending any money. And let Patton work on his control and arm strength in AAA, until a midseason call up. I don’t know if Bedard had any problems with management or teammates, but it would seem like a low risk / high reward type of signing. We get a guy that when healthy is a true #1 pitcher, he can help Tillman and Matusz, especially Matusz, since it seems they have the same kind of stuff, and really get over on that trade.

What do u guys think?

by Ceasaleo on Oct 6, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I used to love the idea

Unfortunately (especially for Bedard himself) he was diagnosed with a torn labrum earlier this year and will have to spend quite a bit of time rehabbing it. He won’t be back in baseball until mid to late 2010.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

dang you

beating me to the punch. all that work for nothing!

by daveh873 on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

this has been brought up before

but Bedard has a labrum tear and probably wont be good to pitch til the middle of next season (and even then you dont know what you’re gonna be getting). Bergesen should be good to go and honeslty I dont know if i’d even want Berken in the pen at this point. Let him work some stuff out at AAA and if he figures it out great. If not, whatever. I would like to see Hernandez in the pen though.

by daveh873 on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's bergesen, come on now.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Oct 6, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

its also

Berken, not Bergen, but he has a disclaimer of being a casual fan so whatever.

by daveh873 on Oct 6, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

also "u" which is a pet peeve of mine

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be mobile commenting

in which case “u” is perfectly acceptable. deal with it, like we do screech’s awesomeness.

by brek on Oct 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't use u when texting

or IM’ing, or anything. I hate it. But to each his own.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Oct 6, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Technically, that should probably be, "u 2?????????"

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Oct 6, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry about the u and misspellings....

But thanks for some actual answers and not just being a smartass with me

by Ceasaleo on Oct 7, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm excited about the ESPN docs starting toinght

In particular the one about Len Bias’ death, my dad knew Lenny personally.

Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 6, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Bedard

I was not following the Orioles while Bedard was here, but he apparently developed a reputation as a prickly, sullen player. One of the things I like about the current Os is that the players, especially the young players seem like good guys. In fact, Roch commended them for their politeness to him. I am loathe to add a jerk, no matter how good he is. In fact, I parted ways with the Os when they signed Albert Belle. For the same reason, I would not touch Milton Bradley. If Bedard is, in fact, a good guy, he would be an interesting signing if his price is moderate. From what I have read, torn labrums are harder to overcome than Tommy John.

by BaltoBen on Oct 6, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I would approve

signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Oct 6, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have my new sig line.

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Oct 6, 2009 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bedard at a bargain price

would be ok. He should be paid for half a season or whatever time he COULD pitch, though. He might be interested in a Smoltz like contract. Lots of incentives if it works out and no real loss if it doesn’t.

by fuddnelson on Oct 6, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

but isn't that kind of like getting back together with your ex-girlfriend?

You know, the one that you really didn’t have a bad breakup with you just kind of got tired of her and saw that by dumping this one girl you could have a shot at 5 other hot girls. Then, after dating those hot girls you decide that she wasn’t that bad so since you already hooked up with the other girls you think you should get back with her. Only, she’s a bit…not very nice person. So basically, just forget it and go try to get an even hotter girl since you’ve had your self esteem jacked up by these latest 5 chics.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Oct 6, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

kinda

but its more like dumping your girlfriend because you want to hook up with a ton of extremely hot girls, even though your girlfriend was hot. Then, your girlfriend gets lonely and decided shes cool with hooking up too so you get to hook up with all those other girls PLUS your ex. The only problem is your ex now has gotten less hot because she took up eating lots of ice cream due to the depression of losing you, so you have to wait 3 months for her to get back in shape, but her self esteem is lower so it wont cost you as much in gifts and dinners anyway. Its all good.

by daveh873 on Oct 6, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bedard was sullen with the press

whom he would not supply trite cliches after games. His 7 innings a start were usually among the best a LHP in the AL had to offer. I couldn’t care less if he makes a reporter’s job hard or not. I care if he pitches well.

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Oct 6, 2009 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yes...agree with this

i dont recall one single complaint from the any players or O’s personnel about Bedard. You only heard a lot of whining from our whiny press. I have to give some props to anita marks cause she used to defend him on that.

by brek on Oct 6, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Oct 6, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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