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A Long-Term Deal for Dr. Jones?

So, we know by now that Adam Jones is not a Super Two this year, and as a result, the Orioles are going to save millions of dollars on him. Daniel Moroz over at Camden Crazies analyzes the Doctor's 2009 production and makes some rough estimates of his future salaries. He concludes by suggesting that the Orioles offer Adam a long-term deal during this offseason, rather than waiting until he's arbitration-eligible next year. He points out that this could be very fair to both sides, as Adam could get a bit more money in 2010 while the club saves a bit in the long term. He suggests something like 5 years, $40 million, which takes care of his first year of free agency.

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I think it's a good idea. The whole organization seems committed to Jones as the center fielder of the club for the next several years, and I see no reason to doubt that he will continue to improve. Not only does it seem to be win-win for both sides, but I think it's good to show the same commitment to Adam that they've shown Brian and Nick. If there's any sort of line for that kind of thing, he's definitely next; Guthrie and Scott may not fit into the plan, and there's no reason to commit that much to a bullpen arm. I also think that doing a deal now rather than next year might save the club that much more money, because the national recognition Adam has started to get (All-Star, Gold Glove) and the possibility that he improves even more in 2010 could feasibly get him even more than Daniel suggests. As far as I can tell, the only big arguments against a long-term deal would be that he seems a bit injury-prone so far and that his defense wasn't as good this year as last. However, the injuries he's had so far have been largely short-term or bad luck, and I don't think he was as bad defensively as UZR suggests.

So, what do you think? Lock up the good Doctor now, or wait and see how things play out over the next year?

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The Yin with the Yang

There’s some sense in signing him this offseason, but, then again, he might not be interested in signing. There’s always an incentive for a player to go into arbitration or work out a long term contract when they’ve had a solid, healthy year. Seems like it would behoove Adam Jones to wait until the All-Star break or later, after displaying his talents and not being injured, to make him more expensive.

Me? I’m all for signing him right now, though a deal might have to be a bit less than what Markakis got due to service time/results.

by Dr Orpheus on Nov 18, 2009 6:01 AM EST reply actions  

I think his dings and nicks the last couple years mean we could save some bank

But like you and Orpheus, I think that may make Jones a bit less prone to WANT to do this now — he might see himself in a better negotiating position if he waits. Then again, a ballplayer under team control can’t always get guaranteed money, so he does have that incentive. If I was Andy I’d at least be coming to the table, but it may or may not get done in a way that makes both sides happy this winter.

by punkrawka on Nov 18, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

I would wait

It works about better for Jones and the O’s. Jones because he might be able to negotiate more money, the O’s because they have another season to evaluate him. I love Adam and I believe he’s going to be great but the truth his that in his two years as an Oriole he’s put up one league average season and one below average season (offensively). Not really the sort of thing you’d lock up a player long term for. He’s been much less successful over his first two years than Nicky was, they still waited three years to sign him long term.

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by Stacey on Nov 18, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

wait a year

Injury questions and he’s only had a half season of great production.

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by birdman on Nov 18, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

this here

6/40 is what Pedroier got, plus an $11M club option on a 7th year, at the same point in his career. And I think DP made Super-2. This bought out 2-3 years of free agency.

There’s little point to giving Jones, as awesome as he is, more, when he’s under team control for the next 4 years.

by CoachOfEarl on Nov 18, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If they're going to sign him

I sure hope they take care of more than ONE year of free agency. I don’t see much reason to do it this year other than to generate good will which I’m all for. But it seems like they could just as easily see how this season plays out and then if he stays healthy (please!), they could lock him up longer term before arbitration. If he has a good year and stays healthy I’d be all for signing him to the same kind of deal as Nicky (6 years or whatever). Take out 2-3 of his FA years.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 18, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

The proposal makes no sense
“5 years, $40 million, which takes care of his first year of free agency.”

So you’re buying ONE YEAR of free agency at $10 million? That’s the diff between his expected salaries and this deal. What’s the point in that?

Nicky’s deal bought his first THREE years of free agency. I wouldn’t do a deal for less than his first 3 years of free agency. Buying one year of FA that won’t occur for another 4 years makes no sense right now.

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by duck on Nov 19, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

3 FA years would be great, I'd like 2 plus an option

I think signing him this winter makes a lot of sense.

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by dfa on Nov 21, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

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by BPinOK on Nov 24, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Some good discussion here.

I was looking back at the comments here and realized I hadn’t responded at all. Whoops.

So, the consensus seems to be that if we lock him up this offseason, it needs to be for more like 6-7 years, and perhaps a little more of a club-friendly deal at that. However, it’s somewhat unlikely that Jones is going to want to come to the table yet, and it’s possible that the club might want to wait another year to make sure he can get through a full year and that he continues to improve.

That all seems to make good sense. I tend to assume too much that somebody like Jones is going to want to stick with the O’s for a while. But, yeah, if they aren’t actually contending by the time he becomes a free agent, I would find it hard to blame him for looking elsewhere.

The one thing I still worry about is that the club could save a lot of money if it manages to lock him up this year instead next, when for all we know he’ll hit .280+ with 25 homers and suddenly look a lot more expensive. On the whole, though, it probably is better to wait another year so he can be evaluated more thoroughly, even if he costs the club more money in the process. Thanks for the feedback, all.

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by Vuff on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

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