What Are We Going To Do at Third?
With the recent releasing of Melvin Mora it's not perfectly clear who'll be our opening day third baseman. There are three options for the Orioles.
1. Ty Wigginton- Of the three options, he is by far the most likely option. he platooned with Melmo last year, and put up reasonable stats. (.273 BA, 11 Dongs, .714 OPS) He's shown that he can play quality fundamental ball, doesnt' make moronic plays and is just an overall sound player.
2. Joshua Bell- It's a possibilty but an unlikely one. He had excellent numbers with Bowie (.289 BA, 33 Hits in 33 Games, .570 Slugging) Unless Ty Wiggington has the worse spring training and Bell puts up insane numbers in spring training he's not going to be the opening day player. He'll get the "Wieters treatment," spend a month or two in Norfolk to get really prepared, then come up sometime in late spring.
3. A Free Agent- The Orioles do have lots of money laying around this offseason, and perhaps Andy might want to go third baseman shopping. The market for third basemen this offseason is highly medicore. The only names that stand out would be Adrian Beltre or Chone Figgins. If Andy really likes either one of them he might sign one of them, and then they would be either the Opening Day third baseman, or in a competition for third with Wiggy. Signing either one of them wouldn't seem like move Andy would normally make, but he likes the price and he likes the player, then it can happen.
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4. Matt Wieters
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Nov 2, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like Troy Glaus if he’s healthy and willing to take a 1 year contract,
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by birdman on Nov 2, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like him too
If he can’t play 3rd due to his shoulder, play him at 1st or DH, all three slots are pretty much up for grabs. Let’s hope he comes at a discount due to the injury.
by milkman41 on Nov 2, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the O’s dont bring up Bell. Theres no reason to rush him when the team isnt going to seriously compete for another year or two, mine as well let him wait and force his way up than give him the starting job so early in his career.
If the O’s make a move for a third baseman, it will most likely be Atkins. Hes not going to demand the big, long term salary of Figgins or Beltre, and would be a solid upgrade for a year or two until Bell is ready
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by Civardi on Nov 2, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
posted on the other thread (uhh, who’s out there), I am all for Blalock holding down the fort until Bell is ready. Then Blalock can fill in at 1B and DH.
by bigity b on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hank blalock?
That’s a bit out of left field
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 2, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and a great FA pickup for not much money. We’re not going to get Figgins and god help us if we go after Beltre or Glaus.
by bigity b on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly believe Beltre > Figgins
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 2, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wiggy>Beltre>Figgins
Signing guys like Beltre and Figgins to long term deals is what got us into this mess in the first place. Better off sticking with Wiggington for one year and having Bell start in 2011
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by Civardi on Nov 2, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
it isn’t like there are any Evan Longorias out there in the free agent class…for the time being at least the Orioles are gonna have to live and die with Josh Bell, and there’s no reason to fork over money for a guy to play third for two months when we’ve got a guy who can do that already.
But Beltre is a way smarter buy than Figgins. Some dumb GM is gonna show off how dumb they are and give Figgins a ridiculous Melvin Mora contract.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 2, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like what
the Mariners did with Beltre?
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by CStoneNo37 on Nov 2, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre lived up to his contract.
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by birdman on Nov 2, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm calling BS
on that site. For that kind of jack I want more than ONE .800+ OPS season. Wiggy > Beltre
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by CStoneNo37 on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
defense matters
deal with it!
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 2, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No amount of defense
makes a .683 OPS worth $12+ million
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by CStoneNo37 on Nov 2, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look over the whole contract
He had a bad contract year, other than that he’s a 20HR guy with 2 gold gloves.
I’m not saying we should sign him (not for $12M/year anyway). Although he might be worth a flyer on a 1-2 year deal.
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by CoachOfEarl on Nov 3, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did
and I was unimpressed. .802 was the highest OPS he ever posted with the M’s. Yeah defense and blah blah blah, but ask any Mariners fan and I guarantee you they’ll say he didn’t perform up to expectations.
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by CStoneNo37 on Nov 3, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sk any Mariners fan and I guarantee you they’ll say he didn’t perform up to expectations.
Dave Cameron would strongly disagree with you.
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by birdman on Nov 3, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they'll say that
They expected 48 HR/year from him.
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by CoachOfEarl on Nov 3, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Seattle and even casually know a team employee.
The M’s are willing to resign Beltre. They just believe he is going to head back to the NL.
Beltre did set unrealistic expectations with his contract year performance w/ the Dodgers. His time with the Mariners was affected somewhat by some ingury problems, but over all he did ok.
I agree with Andrew – I’d sign Beltre over Figgins. However my personal choice is for Andy to get in a time machine and go back and draft David Wright when the O’s had the chance. I know we can’t go back and change the past, but perhaps he can figure out some high tech means of messing with the records. That way he calls a press conference and said look – here’s proof we actually drafted Wright. So DW becomes a Oriole and the Mets are fined a few million for messing with the integrity of the draft and the O’s are awarded their pick of the Met’s minor league system plus the Met’s next three first round draft picks in compensation for losing the services of Wright all this time.
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by timg56 on Nov 3, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure the M’s want to resign Beltre. Jack Zduriencik remade the M’s with defense in mind. Beltre fits in perfectly.
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by birdman on Nov 3, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally think
we need to start talking trades with the Mets. They are one terribly run organization. Im sure we could get a Wright or Reyes for some pitching prospects that wont pan out.
And yes, I know everyone hates Reyes. I still wouldnt mind seeing him out there in place of Cesar every day.
by daveh873 on Nov 3, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Reyes would be awesome.
He’d be awfully pricey though.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 4, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets are Idiots
They are going to sign Hank Blalock and John Lackey to huge ass contracts hoping for a championship, only to see themselves fall deeper and deeper into a hole like the Orioles were 7 years ago
The fans will never let a rebuilding phase happen. they are just like Yankee fans with little championships to brag about. Mets fans want to win every year.
I live with a shitload of them in Jersey and all there doing is gloating about how great Lackey, Bedard, Blalock, and Bay are. They consider Beltran the best center fielder in all of baseball. I mean Carlos Freakin Beltran, the guy who cant stay on the field a whole season and is as unclutch as they come. Plus when you try to bring up the Orioles young future and how my team will be better than theres in three years, they make fun of you like there is no tommorro saying things like Wieters is dirt, Adam Jones is decent, and Brian Matsuz will be a bust
You should have seen the flack I got for posting something on how they need to rebuild on there boards. 300 comments ripping me to shreads saying things like
“The Mets will win 90 games next year, there is no good reason to rebuild”.
And they call me stupid for being chosing the Orioles over there crappy-ass stadium and over-priced players…
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by Civardi on Nov 7, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Jersey, too.
Mets fans don’t seem to understand how bad their situation really is. Beltran is nice when he’s healthy and wants to play, but that’s not often. I wouldn’t trade Adam Jones or Felix Pie even up for him. Wright is their big star, but he only hit like 12 HRs this last year. Reyes is an injured has been. He may never recover, and wasn’t that great to begin with. Their pitching stinks beyond Santana and their closer. For Pete’s sake John Maine is one of their big starters (when healthy). He is a 2 pitch pitcher who couldn’t make it in the AL East. Mets fans are simply delusional.
by fuddnelson on Nov 7, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of a Washington team that plays football…
by bigity b on Nov 9, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pass on reyes
i’d take wright in a minute tho.
by twistedlogic on Nov 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
I’d like Beltre…his numbers away from Safeco are decent, especially considering his glove. Plus he’d prolly sign for a 2 year deal, which is as much as I’d want to go with Bell waiting in the wings.
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by dfa on Nov 2, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
speaking of 3B
kevin kouzmanoff has been a huge disappointment for SD hasn’t he?
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by BPinOK on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Third base
seems rather clear cut to me. We are going to play Wiggi until Josh Bell shows that he is ready. There is no real reason to go out and sign any of these players mentioned in this post.
If something terrible happens and Bell proves unworthy following the 2010 campaign, then we make a move. For now, it just isn’t necessary considering each of the FA options are relatively high risk…
by sickuvitall on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes exactly
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 3, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Wigginton til Bell is ready even if it takes most of the 2010 season. Hopefully Bell will be ready by June or so.
That doesn’t answer the 1B or cleanup hitter question, but I guess that’s a separate post.
by fuddnelson on Nov 3, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are going to play Wiggi until Josh Bell shows that he is ready.
That was original thought as well. But then I checked his defensive numbers at 3rd. This guy SUCKS. I mean really SUCKS. With a young pitching staff, run prevention should be a priority. I would rather keep Wiggy at the utility role and sign a cheap glove man like Beltre (if he’ll come cheap).
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by birdman on Nov 3, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he'll be cheap
Scott Boras is his agent so he’ll squeeze out every penny he can.
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by Stacey on Nov 3, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then pass if he's expensive,
But I think Boras will find himself in a situation that’s similar to Joe Crede last year. Teams will shy away because of injuries so Beltre will take a 1 year, show me I’m healthy contract.
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by birdman on Nov 3, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre doesn't have the balls he once did though
Also, he offensively underperformed his last contract, and had a craptastic contract year. And is a real injury risk. I’d still take him for cheap.
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by CoachOfEarl on Nov 3, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre doesn't have the balls or Boras doesn't have the balls?
If it’s Beltre, what does that mean?
by O'sFan21 on Nov 3, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
he injured one of them this year. It means you laugh now, possibly while cringing.
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by CoachOfEarl on Nov 3, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They played The Nutcracker Suite for his at bats!
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 3, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
did he have to have it removed or anything??
by O'sFan21 on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently not
He was out for a couple of weeks, so I’m guessing he didn’t need surgery.
The Mariners placed third baseman Adrian Beltre on the 15-day disabled list with a severely contused right testicle.
Beltre suffered the injury in the ninth inning when a ground ball off the bat of Chicago White Sox shortstop Alexei Ramirez hit Beltre in the groin. Beltre does not wear a protective cup. He finished the 14-inning game.
Manager Don Wakamatsu said Beltre might need surgery because of bleeding in the testicle. If surgery is required, it could take months for Beltre to recover.
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by CoachOfEarl on Nov 3, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of fucking IDIOT doesn't wear a cup to play 3B?????????
by O'sFan21 on Nov 3, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a ballsy one
credit to Ozzie Guillen
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by dfa on Nov 3, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding is most baseball players don't wear one.
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by timg56 on Nov 3, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong!
Lots of pitchers, 1b, and OFers don’t wear them. But almost all non-1b infielders wear them. You’re fucking crazy not to.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 3, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I wear a cup when I'm not playing baseball.
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by birdman on Nov 3, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I remember when Luke moved to 1B
He made some comments about how hard it is to get used to wearing one, but he didn’t want to take any chances.
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by Stacey on Nov 3, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
During a Little League game when I was about 9 to 10 years old, I ran home to cover the plate to tag out a oncoming runner. The catcher was about 5 to 6 feet away so he flipped me the ball. But I wasn’t paying attention to the throw because the runner was already crossing home plate. It was a very soft toss but the ball landed you know where. Most excruciating pain ever. EVER! I’ve learned my lesson since then.
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by birdman on Nov 3, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4 out of 9 doesn't mean I'm that far off base.
While more than half is not the same as most, the point still is valid.
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by timg56 on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well 4 out of 9 MAY not wear one. I think MOST OFers still wear them and MOST 1B still wear them, but it’s possible that most pitchers don’t wear them. I mostly stopped wearing one when I became just a pitcher (even though looking back that was crazy since I was even closer to home plate with less reaction time).
by O'sFan21 on Nov 4, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That thought occured to me also ...
… after reading your early comment.
But I can see why one won’t want to.
My pitching career started and ended with freshman baseball in HS. I started off with the best scores of any of the candidates. However that was with the coach having us pitch at 3/4 speed. As soon as we had to start throwing hard, I was history. I went from having the best control to the worst. That presaged my move to the outfield.
Ironically, perhaps my best pitching performance came after this, when the coach had me pitch BP against the starters. No one could get a hit off me. The coach got a bit pissed and yelled at me to stop throwing curve balls. I told him I didn’t know how to throw a curve. It was late Feb and my hands were so cold they were partially numb. It effected my grip on the ball. To this day I occasionally wonder if I blew it by not experimenting with keeping my hand soaking in ice water and using a can of instant chill spray each inning before taking the mound.
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by timg56 on Nov 5, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There have been a lot of complaints about Bell’s defense until he started losing weight. It’s clear that his reaction time was severely decreased by his size.
Since he’s trimmed down his defensive numbers are actually quite a bit better than they were. Actually, he was drafted as a defensively solid player, if I’m not mistaken.
by Dr Orpheus on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't suck as bad as he did
Everything I’ve read in the past month says the guy is working on his defense and will be average, at best. With his hitting numbers, I’ll take average defense.
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by duck on Nov 14, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
count me as a bell non-believer
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by BPinOK on Nov 3, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Outside of his being a prospect
with all the risks inherent, what gives you such pause?
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 3, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
woohoo! i can post! I've been blocked for days!
but I can’t seem to reply…
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by BPinOK on Nov 3, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You've been blocked?
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by Stacey on Nov 3, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i can't use the reply button...
just everything I’ve read on Bell I don’t think he has the ability to be THE answer at 3B. I also think he’ll get bigger and have to be a 1B. If he can’t hit lefties he can’t play everyday at 1B either.
Plus, just the principle of the trade…I mean…does it really happen all that often that you trade a LOOGY for a starting 3B a year and a half later AND an organizational filler SP?
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by BPinOK on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's a good reason to worry
but for what it’s worth:
Ryan Howard has hit .226/.310/.444 vs. LHB for his career and he can certainly hold his own overall at the plate (although I despise him…seriously, dude, learn to hit a fucking breaking ball).
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you despise Ryan Howard
because he cant hit a breaking ball? harsh.
FWIW, i’ll take him and his inability to hit a breaking ball any day.
by daveh873 on Nov 3, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just despises Howard right now,
him and his inability to hit freaking anything this WS! I am upset at him also.
by O Nina on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, for that, yes
I am too. Chase Utley has more than made up for it in my eyes though.
by daveh873 on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board...
….with a one-year deal to Glaus. He no longer has very good range, but he does have sure hands and can deliver some power in the back half of the batting order.
That would give Bell another year to mature while not affecting any other part of the building effort.
by sabertooth5185 on Nov 3, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heck...
…for that matter, do the same thing with Carlos Delgado. One year deal while the kids continue to mature. Carlos can still swing a big bat.
by sabertooth5185 on Nov 3, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And...while they're at it...
…sign up a couple of injury reclamation projects at SP in Bedard and Harden for one year each.
If the stars align correctly, that’s a team that could actually compete. More likely, it would give the O’s time to see who can stick without killing their ability to make hey in the stronger free agent class next year.
by sabertooth5185 on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with this suggestion at all
It would make sense to take on an injury reclamation pitcher this offseason. I know the FO wants to sign a top of the rotation guy, but I don’t see that happening. Lackey would be incredible but it doesn’t seem feasible.
by Dr Orpheus on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we'll even get a full year out of them
do two half pitchers make a whole?
by twistedlogic on Nov 6, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shit. the format is all f-d up again. no, i don’t think i was blocked. i think it has more to do with these internet hating network nazis at work.
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by BPinOK on Nov 3, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I understand that Wiggy seems to be the most credible option
But it’s the one I like the least. Dude is sub-average at all aspects of baseball. Bell is uncertain to succeed at AAA, much less at MLB, and I hear he’s no Beltre with the glove.
Given that the line at Figgins’ door is growing long, I would like to see a cheap 1-2 year defensive specialist like Beltre or Crede, one that will probably have an injury about the time Bell could conceivably be ready for a shot at the bigs.
Defense is key behind our young pitching staff.
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by CoachOfEarl on Nov 3, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sign a 3B free agent this year.
I’m not convinced that Bell is going to be ready sometime in 2010. It would be nice if he will be starting by 2011, but let’s not get too excited. He’s not Evan Longoria biding his time in the minors, just waiting to be an All-Star.
We’re supposed to be contending in 2 seasons. The time for stopgap measures is nearly over. If we can get a decent 3B on the market now, I say let’s go for it. The economy will continue to depress the free agent market this offseason, allowing us to get more for our money. Who knows what it will be like next year? Anyway, who would be available at a corner position next year? Does anyone know?
If Bell pans out, all the better. We shouldn’t count on it though.
That said, my vote is for Beltre and then Figgins. Beltre is a bit younger, we could use his glove, and he’ll likely hit more HRs in Camden than in Safeco.
I suspect we can get Beltre at fair value before Figgins, but I might be tempted to pull the trigger on Chone if Beltre slips away. Hell, it’s not my money, but our payroll is heading way down and—again—I’m not sure that we’re going to have a better answer for our window of contention (2011-2013 or so).
Wiggy is a utility player—not an everyday 3B. If there are some good 3B free agents going on the market after next season, maybe it’s worth trying to get through a season with him and Bell. But I’m not thrilled by the idea.
by silverstadium on Nov 3, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we don't even need a 3rd baseman.
We should find a free agent left fielder and sign him. Then tell him he’s going to be playing really, really shallow.
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by Gonfoo on Nov 3, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I can't reply to comments for some reason...
but I’d like to say, in response to Jose Reyes being the answer, I disagree. I don’t think he’ll ever get over these hamstring issues and will struggle to stay healthy. This problem goes back with him through the minors. Plus he’s kind of a hack on defense. I think it would be a disaster if the Os got him for more than one year. Would end up being on the hook for salary for a player not in the game anymore….hmmm…sound familiar?
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by BPinOK on Nov 5, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry to hear
That you have a case of the O’s21Girl: For one reason or another the reply button becomes useless.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 7, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So I found
O’s21Girl on a local dating site and just couldn’t resist. I sent her a one-line message: “You don’t even know who O’s21Girl is!!”
Boy was she pissed. I had no idea that she had been banned from CC. She replied and demanded to know my CC identity…but I refused. Good stuff!
by sickuvitall on Nov 7, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She might be reading that...
You don’t even KNOW if she might read that!
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 7, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was just at work...not sure what the deal was
But I have been meaning to correct you, bsf, on Dan Cody. He was a DE at Oklahoma not a LB. I’m the resident OU expert by default around here. I was really disappointed Clayton dropped that pass earlier this year. And Trent Smith never really worked out for you either.
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by BPinOK on Nov 7, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, thoughts on Laundry Jones...
he looks like if he gets more expireience he could become a premier QB. But I’ve only seems parts of the BYU game and most of the Texas game.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 8, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Landry...no Laundry
He’s a freshman. He just needs more time. He looked horrible against a really good D and a tough place for anyone to play up in Lincoln. He was one of the top QBs in the country coming out of Artesia, NM. So we’ll see. They need some linemen BAD and he’ll look a lot better. I hope Bradford falls to Tennessee. That’d be a good situation for him. A team that can’t be near as bad as they’ll end up finishing and no quarterback play.
My suicide/knock-out nfl pool this year is affectionately named the “vince young league.”
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Thought....
There has been a lot of talk about bringing up a minor leaguer, or going after a free agent. Remember when Izturis got Appendicitis? Robert Andino did a great job for his lack of experience. So, what if they gave this a shot, at least in spring training, to see if it works:
Convert Izturis to 3B, and move Andino to SS. They could interchange Aubrey/Wiggy at 1B, Roberts/Andino at 2B, Andino/Izturis at SS, and Izturis/Wiggy at 3B for the day off rotation.
I think it would make an interesting experiment, at least in spring training, and give the minor leaguers more time to develop.
by NorfolkOsFan on Nov 7, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You make many good points
although I have to say that you are just asking for a terribly anemic offense. Cesar Izturis is a nice glove, but his offensive abilities are not befitting of a 3B in the AL East. Throwing Andino out there everyday also will not bolster the run support.
We have too many other options to try this, but I appreciate a new idea every so often. Good thoughts…
by sickuvitall on Nov 7, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the lack of hitting...
I was solely thinking defense and leaving the hitting up to the bats they already have. My thought about Izturis moving to third is about age. He still has a lot of good years, but he’s been in the league since 2001, and agility is going to decline with age. I’m figuring, at least in the short term, to utilize the tools they have, while shopping for new ones.
Thanks for the response. You made a good point.
by NorfolkOsFan on Nov 7, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you get
a chance to go to many Tides games there in Norfolk? That is one of the few minor league affiliates that I have yet to check out…
by sickuvitall on Nov 7, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been a while
since I’ve been to one of their games. They have a really nice ballpark, and it’s only about 4 miles from my house. I’d like to get out there more next season.
by NorfolkOsFan on Nov 8, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2009
was a solid year as far as who passed through Norfolk on their way up. 2010 won’t be as exciting, but I think you will still be able to catch some quality baseball…
by sickuvitall on Nov 8, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis is not the answer
to any question regarding the Orioles. He stopped the flow of bad shortstops for a couple years, defensively. Honestly, he gave the O’s what they expected: a good glove and an occasional hit. He is our #9 hitter. He is perhaps the worst SS in the AL east, though. He can’t hit. The Orioles will need a long term solution at shortstop and Andino isn’t it either. Maybe Givens? They need to draft a big time shortstop who can field and hit. Singles are fine, but if that’s what it is, he needs to hit .300 and work the walks too. But he certainly isn’t the answer at 3B!!!!!!!!
by fuddnelson on Nov 7, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that would make a nice defense
but having Andino and Izturis in the same lineup would just be a joke (and I love them both.)
by Steve. on Nov 7, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say Pedro Feliz as a stopgap, but a look at the numbers looks like he’s as much of an offensive improvement over this year’s Mora as I thought he was. Good glove guy, though.
But, I guess hope Wiggy doesn’t embarrass himself (more than just being an Oriole is embarrassing, anyway) and that Bell’s legit.
by BrianS on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like him as a stopgap too. His glove excels and goes a long ways for a young pitching staff. Also, his offensive this year was below par for his career. He seems to be an about 20 hr. career avg. guy which I think he would get hitting in Camden Yards. Also, his RBI total would have been 2nd on the O’s just last year. His avg. was higher than Huff’s, Scott’s, Mora’s, etc. Not saying he’s the “power bat” we need, just saying he’s a perfect band-aid at third who wont cost much and can nail down the #6/7 spot in the lineup.
by bigity b on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let me clarify; he’s not my first choice but if we don’t do anything at 1B or 3B and options start coming off the table, i would look towards him.
by bigity b on Nov 9, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And now the name Dan Uggla comes into play
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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