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Knocking Their Sox Off - SI Vault (10/17/83)
Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win. -Stacey

"That's when they started baseball, so everybody was debuting."  - Matt Wieters on Baltimore having five rookie pitchers win their big league debuts in 2009, the most in a season since the 1888 Chicago White Stockings had six. Is that a personality I'm seeing, Mr. Wieters? -Stacey

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | A look at the Arizona Fall League Championship Game - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
Jonathan Mayo goes Around The Minors, talking about the Arizona Fall League Championship Game. Stephen Strasburg, despite a stiff neck, is expected to start for the Devil Dogs and go about five innings. It's video from MLB, so have headphones ready at work or school. -duck

Shocker! Brandon Erbe is glad to be on the 40-man roster!
"Even though he has a splint on his right pinky finger that ended his time in the Arizona Fall League early, Wednesday was a good day for pitcher Brandon Erbe. The Baltimorean and life-long O's fan from McDonogh High made the Orioles' 40-man roster for the first time." Well, being that this was the first year the O's had to protect him, I guess it would be the first time he'd be happy about being on the 40-man. -duck

Seattle Times -Baltimore possibly targeting Bedard as FA
"Also, Jeff Zrebiac of the Baltimore Sun, who is one of the best beat writers around, lists Erik Bedard as a free agent likely to be targeted by the Orioles. Wouldn't that be the final dagger, for the Orioles to get Adam Jones, an All-Star year from George Sherrill and then a trade package for him, Chris Tillman, et al -- and then potentially reap the benefits of a healthy Bedard. Ouch." Sorry, but this just makes me all happy inside. -duck

10 free agents O's may target
"Baseball's free-agent signing period begins Friday, and the Orioles have money to spend and holes to fill. Here are some free agents that they will consider." And guess who's first - our favorite French-Canadian left-handed pitcher. Yeah, this is the article the Seattle guy links to. -duck

O's will wait on Hendrickson negotiations
"While the Orioles remain interested in re-signing pitcher Mark Hendrickson, a deal will not get done during the team's exclusive negotiating window." Sure, just carry out the suspense even longer! Won't someone think of the children? -duck

O's positioned to be buyers in free agency
"With a down economy, multiple teams crying poor and little money invested in future payrolls, the Orioles are arguably in a better financial position this offseason than they have been in more than a decade." In a year with the worst FA class in a decade, too. Oh, goody. -duck

Santa is coming to Salisbury at Shorebirds' stadium
"The Delmarva Shorebirds would like to announce that Santa will be at Arthur W. Perdue Stadium on Saturday, December 5, 2009 from 10 AM-12 PM as part of the Cookies with Claus event." Great event, but that team needs a new PR writer. -duck

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That SI story

was beautiful. I got teary-eyed.

"Roberts is unconscious!!!!" - Jim Hunter, after Brian Roberts hits his second HR of the night. 9/21/09

by Gonfoo on Nov 20, 2009 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

The first one.

"Roberts is unconscious!!!!" - Jim Hunter, after Brian Roberts hits his second HR of the night. 9/21/09

by Gonfoo on Nov 20, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, right?

A friend showed that to me yesterday and I knew y’all would like it. The SI Vault is a gem, I’ll probably pick out some other old stories on a slow news day.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

One more link

The Best of Baseball-Reference.com’s sponsor comments.

http://baseballjunkdrawer.blogspot.com/2009/11/best-of-baseball-references-sponsorship.html

Remember when Camden Chat sponsored Adam Loewen and The Todd? Good times.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

Good stuff

Although I barely get the whole Terry Francona comment. Are we going back to Woodrow Wilson because it was the last “untainted” RS win??? Either way, lame.

And that 1873 Baltimore Marylander team had quite the year, 152 runs in 6 games. Wonder what ever happend to that Ed Stratton? kid. I love looking up ridiculously old stats on BR.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

like the Yankees never won a World Series with steroid users…

…oh shit. Nevermind.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

No news, yet

The Orioles won’t sign Hendrickson til after the rule 5 draft to save space on the 40 man roster. ok. They won’t sign any free agents til after the Dec 1 deadline for offering arbitration. ok So there won’t really be any activity for awhile and the GM meeting isn’t til Dec 10? ok.

All I want is for the Orioles to trade for Brandon Wood as a 3B til Bell is ready then as a SS who can hit. Then get a veteran starter (trade or FA) like Bedard, Harden, Sheets or Lowe and a 1B who has the potential to be our #4 hitter. I don’t think Snyder/Hughes/Aubrey/Scott/Wigginton will cut it. That’s alot to ask, but that’s what I want.

by fuddnelson on Nov 20, 2009 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

lol

You start that second paragraph with “All I want” like it’s going to be a simple thing and then list every single hole the O’s have. Oh we JUST have to get a 3B, SS, Starter, and 1B….

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this line alot....

“Moreover, Baltimore is renowned as a team that never throws at the opposition. Earl Weaver, who managed the Orioles from 1968 through last season, would bellow at anybody who ever even idly proposed retaliation”

That’s professionalism

by NewYorkOriole on Nov 20, 2009 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

That's not wasting outs

Although, I gotta admit, I yelled for D-Cabs to drill more than a few people when he was here.

"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White

by duck on Nov 20, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I think he heard you

Just ask Dustin Pedroia.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Nov 20, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Scared the hair right off ol' Dusty, looks like. Still, I forthrightly condemn this tactic, right here and now, on the record.

hee-hee

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Nov 20, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Like he needed the encouragement.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If memory serves me right

he did get Jeter in return for the “not at my fuckin’ head, bro!” incident

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Nov 21, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

It may be professionalism

But one of my favorite memories of the 2007 season is this: The Orioles are kicking the Yankees asses in Yankee Stadium and the Yankees turned into giant babies about it and threw at Nick and Miggi. So the next day Erik Bedard takes the mound, calmly retires the first two batters, then nails Derek Jeter on the knee with the first pitch. Sadly the O’s couldn’t do Erik a solid and win the game.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I have to concur that there’s a time and a place for retaliation. When it’s appropriate I think it’s important.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, Frank Deford

Undoubtedly a great writer, but I have to laugh reading that SI article. He’s got a reputation for fawning over attractive young female athletes (most notably Kournikova and Sharapova), but if this O’s article is any indication, he doesn’t discriminative based on gender. He mentions Tito Landrum’s past as a male model (why didn’t I know this?!), and refers to the “uncommonly handsome” Mike Boddicker. Glorious.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Nov 20, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

ahahahah I know!

When I read it I looked up Tito Landrum’s picture because he was a male model? I don’t see it.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Buh-dard

I don’t even know if i’d be on board with signing him if he was just another free agent. Ya know, like if he was some guy that didn’t come up wit the O’s, that never played for the O’s, that never brought back a bounty of goodness. I don’t think i’d be on board with signing a guy thats coming off that kind of injury, and that has a pretty serious track record of being injured.

That being said, I am TOTALLY on board with signing Erik and it would bring me immense joy if the O’s were to do so. What can I say? I rejoice in others’ misfortune.

by daveh873 on Nov 20, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

I thought he was scheduled to miss the first couple months of the season. If not, I wouldn’t mind signing him, but if he’s not healthy to start the season, then I don’t see the point.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I still have an expensive Bedard jersey in my closet

I’d love to be able to wear it again. I mean, I guess there’s nothing stopping me from wearing it now, but it’d be a lot more satisfying if he were an O again.

by PhilR8 on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Mussina taught me

Never to buy jersey of active players. I’m confident Chris Hoiles is never going to sign with the MFY’s, so that’s where my money goes.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sticking w/Ripken. I might invest in a Jones or Wieters shirt though.

by BrianS on Nov 20, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll get Wieters next year I think.

I don’t buy jerseys though so it’s not a biggie for a t-shirt. My biggest t-shirt buying embarrassment was when I got Sidney Ponson.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You can still use it!

Wear it on Halloween and get one of your friends to wear a judge’s robe. Hilarity ensues.

by BrianS on Nov 20, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

ooh excellent idea

Unfortunately I’m pretty sure it got donated to Good Will a number of years ago.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I love stuff like that

its the rarities that are awesome years later. If I saw someone with a Ponson shirt, i’d give them a high five.

by daveh873 on Nov 20, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a Rocky Coppinger shirt. I was positive he was going to be the next big thing.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

that’s amazing.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Rocky Coppinger

is always the first guy in my mind when I hear the phrase “Failed Prospect”

I think my eleven year old self really liked him. I mean, his name is Rocky.

by Steve. on Nov 20, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a good year for taking flyers like that

Bedard, Wang, Harden, Delgado, Nick Johnson (yes, I have reconsidered), if we can get guys like this to serve as relatively cheap, injury risk stopgaps with something to prove, then we should do it. Our future is in our youth, not on the FA market, or certain bench players that we’ve been using as starters. And it’s less risky than signing a guy like Figgins (who is top of my list) to a 4 year deal than to hand out some 1-2 year incentive laden deals, which are all the rage these days.

I think the best place for Bedard is in the bullpen, given his injury issues and his ridiculous curveball and high K rate.

by CoachOfEarl on Nov 20, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Or at least

not in this free agent market

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

“Our future is in our youth, not on the FA market”…or at least, not on THIS FA market

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell's yeah...

…let’s get Erik B back on an incentive based contract. Let’s do it and just give him a year off from baseball, straight off the bat. His job will be to heal and hang out at Johns Hopkins Hospital where they can do all kinds of high tech medical work on him. Then the next year we cross our fingers and hope we have an Ace back that can give us innings.

by Jonny Pops on Nov 20, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

They can fit him with a robotic arm:

It’ll never get injured and he can throw 150 mph+

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Nov 20, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

well the problem is his shoulder.....

maybe we can buy the extended warranty on him or something

by twistedlogic on Nov 20, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It'd be worth it re-sign Bedard

just to see Roch squirm.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

indeed

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

From the twitter

Apparently my least favorite Orioles broadcaster had this to say: “I worked with Keith Law in Toronto and he doesn’t have a grip on anything”. Just having Buck Martinez’s anti-recommendation is enough to put KLaw over the top for me (though, honestly, I already love the guy’s work and snark).

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

The outcry against Keith Law

It’s both infuriating and hilarious. Thank goodness he’s witty enough to take all of the air out of his detractors with a simple one-liner. His twitter feed has been even more entertaining than usual over the past 24 hours.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Nov 20, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Keith Law is my Twitter hero

I always enjoyed his work but not enough to really care one way or another about him, but his twitter feed has proven that he’s simply brilliant.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Even I can agree with this

"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White

by duck on Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

His interview here is classic (see the bottom audio link). The interviewers get snarky with Keith. Keith snarks back.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Nov 20, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

that’s pretty good. He basically destroys that guy.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn't heard it yet

Simply amazing.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That's cringingly hysterical

Like watching a trainwreck in slowmotion

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

the Dingbat take

Bedard – agree with others, an incentive-laden deal would be sweet. he seems open to returning.

Beltre – one-year deal only. otherwise, pass.

Blalock – NO!

Delgado – I’d rather try Snyder or pursue Nick J.

Feliz – I might be in the minority here but I don’t want Feliz. His D is good but bat is declining and not worth the $$ for a non-hitter at 3B who might block Bell.

Mike Gonzalez – we’ll love his rock ’n roll delivery until his arm breaks.

Harden – again, incentives are the way to go. could compete with Bedard for most brittle pitcher with awesome K rate.

Hendrickson – sure, he seemed to take to bullpen duty.

Lackey – won’t happen

Wags – won’t happen and he seems like a pr*ck

by Dingbat Charlie on Nov 20, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Man, I wish they weren't tossing out Blalock's name.

As far as Hammerin’ Hank goes, this is my opinion:

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Nov 20, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not the worst idea ever

Blalock’s still got power – his ISO was above .225 last season. He’s only 29 years old, so there’s no reason to assume he’s over the hill already. As long as you can keep him away from fielding 3B (which, admittedly, is the biggest obstacle to him joining the O’s), it wouldn’t be a bad signing for the right money. He’s gonna be really cheap after the last two seasons.

by ugen64 on Nov 20, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that

A .277 on-base percentage? That’ll just kill whatever value you get from the power. Best case scenario is you get a cheap DH or first baseman who is significantly worse than three other first basemen and three other DHs in the division.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hank Blalock is not good at baseball

Anyone who says otherwise is high.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

On a related note

I heard Tim Lincecum on the radio today talking up Blalock; he wants the Giants to sign him for first base duties.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

clearly the pot has made him stupid

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but it's not his career norm

My point about him still being relatively young was that his 2009 OBP could have been a fluke. We’re not talking about Andruw Jones here. (he rebounded somewhat, but that’s beside the point)

Two years ago he had a .338 OBP and an .846 OPS, in an injury-shortened season. The year before that he was .358 / .901, again shortened by injury.

The two reasons he was so bad last year are: low BABIP (.250, compared to career .300) and low LD% (18%, compared to career 22%). Now Blalock obviously still has the ability to hit the ball hard, so I’m willing to bet his low LD% is a fluke. If you notch up his BABIP by .50 points to his career norm, that gives him 22 more hits, raises his OBP up to .321 and his OPS to .780 (assuming all the extra hits were singles, which underestimates it) – not great but not awful either.

Anyway I can name about 30 players I’d rather see us sign over Blalock, but he’s also not on the list of free agents I don’t want to see in an Orioles’ uniform next season (headlined by Jason Bay).

by ugen64 on Nov 20, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

feliz

  to say hiis bat is declining is wrong look at his rbi’s obp and avg with risp his his over all ba is down but 82 rbi’s is def better the mora

by chuckthefan on Nov 20, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I like snarky Matt.

Even atheists believe in Matt Wieters

by wickedwitch on Nov 20, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Wigginton over Blalock hands down.

Bedard is a good call… why not balance it with a move for 30 y.o. Garland?
Chapman deal won’t happen, nor should it.
Wouldn’t count out a Wagner move… but what’s the deal with Koji as a potential closer?

by whereswieters on Nov 20, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

The Orioles already have Jon Garland

Except we call him Jeremy Guthrie

I’m actually not totally against Wagner. He’s old and was injured last year but he could be effective as long as he’s not too expensive. If there’s one thing I’ve learned in the past few years as an O’s fan is that putting a ton of money into the bullpen is the stupidest idea ever.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wagner

was pretty awesome last year when he pitched. Absurd k/9.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He seems like a first class douche though

TO type player, without the TO type skill.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a huge douchebag rat.

Everybody on the Phillies hates him. I’ve heard rumors that he ratted on guys for cheating on their wives.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahahah really?

If he was an Oriole would he be joining Luke and Brian on Team Jesus?

He did pitch awesome in ‘09 but since it was only 15 innings it’s hard to say either way.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I have kind of a soft spot for him.

When he was a kid he used to just go out to some big fields next to his house and throw a ball as far as he could, run and get it, and throw it back the other direction. haha

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The shit he pulled on the Mets is worse

I hate guys who bitch to the media about other players.

He is/was a ridiculously closer though.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the stuff with the mets was kind of funny

Didn’t he say something after a string of losses about how the media should talk to “some of the hispanic guys” about why they lost?

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not exactly

He ranted a bit when the press came to interview him after a loss when he didn’t pitch, and complained that they always come to him for quotes because he’s more willing to talk in english than some of the other Mets.

by James F on Nov 20, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not that bad

But here’s where he douscheness really comes through:
http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/billy-wagner-versus-oliver-perez-aka-the-wall/

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

I find that funny too.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

not 2009 guthrie

2009 guthrie gave up more fly balls than ground balls, and led the AL in home runs. it’s a problem in a hitters’ park like OPACY. the question is, can he fix it, or is it some kind of physical issue?

by ugen64 on Nov 20, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Kate Wheeler on Twitter

O’s have claimed catcher Craig Tatum off of waivers and DFA’d Chris Waters.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Rated best defensive catcher in the Reds system by BA last year

but already 27, so we’re not talking about an actual prospect.

by James F on Nov 20, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

If that’s the case he could be a real solid backup catcher. Don’t think we need any actual prospects at the C position for a while…

by O'sFan21 on Nov 20, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Some teams have backup catchers who can catch AND hit a little.

Not really a big deal either way, of course.

by James F on Nov 20, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the link from Roch

http://masnsports.com/2009/11/roster-move-9.html

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, it's not like they'll actually lose Waters

Someone else would have to sign him. Of course, Toronto just might. They’re one of the two teams he shut down that one time, and they love our garbage.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Nov 20, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to be the arrogant Orioles fan

but the Blue Jays make me a little sad. I mean, I’m glad to have a team in the division so clearly in a death spiral, they’re just 3rd on my list of teams in the division upon which I’d wish that.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that they are in a death spiral

I suspect they may have already hit bottom and are on the way back up. They got out of the Rios contract somehow, got a great deal from the Reds for Rolen, will get two first round picks because Marco Scutaro had a suddenly great year, will have compensation picks for the two top picks they failed to sign from the 2009 draft, have a good young power bat in Lind and another top prospect in Travis Snider and have a plethora of respectable starting pitching.

They are the worst team in the East I think, but it isn’t like they are the Royals or Pirates.

by James F on Nov 20, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you're probably right

All I know is when I was looking at their potential 2010 lineup (minus any additions/changes, of course) it was pretty awful.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

2009 lineup should have been awful

A bunch of guys had career years all of a sudden.

by CoachOfEarl on Nov 20, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

I know catching comes first over hitting, but I’d rather have someone who could at least outhit Omar Vizquel.

Looks like Waters was on the 40 man for one reason…his willingness to be DFA

by CoachOfEarl on Nov 20, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We do have Caleb Joseph in the minors

BP just had him as our 9th best prospect. It’s good to have options

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 20, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather protect Steve Johnson than Tatum.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Nov 20, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but...

There are a number of reasons you might not want to.

1) It’s extremely unlikely he will actually get picked in the Rule 5 draft. How many teams can realistically stash him on their 25-man roster for the entire season, considering he’s never pitched above AA?

2) He’ll be using up his options. We’re not gonna see him until 2011; if I’m not mistaken he’ll have used up 2 options by then. It’s not the biggest deal in the world, but at the same time you always want flexibility. We don’t want to turn into the Cubs, who have to give away promising guys like Felix Pie because they’re out of options.

3) You always need 40-man roster flexibility so you can take advantage of free agent / trade / waiver wire opportunities. That’s why I’m not so worried about guys like Liz still being on the 40-man. I think you’ll find that we have less deadwood on our 40-man than you think – maybe 5 players. Albers, Bass, Liz, Sarfate, and maybe Montanez. Considering the number of transactions we’re probably going to make over the offseason, that’s not a huge amount of wiggle room, and if we replaced one of those guys with Johnson – suddenly that’s 4 players (because if Johnson goes on the 40-man, we can’t waive him because someone else will claim him).

by ugen64 on Nov 20, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

RE: 1. Plenty of teams can stash in the pen and have him do mop up or 6th or 7th inning work.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Nov 20, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

that's true

1) nearly every rule 5 draft pitcher is returned to his original team – go check out last year’s picks. (there were only 2 pitchers who weren’t returned, waived, or suffered a major injury before May)

2) Eduardo Morlan is an example that’s quite similar to Johnson, IMO. He was coming off his age 22 season, when he pitched successfully in AA. What happened to Morlan? He was returned to his original team before Opening Day.

This is one of those moves that I think you can find enough of an explanation as to why it happened, that if you think MacPhail is even a half-competent GM, you trust him about it.

by ugen64 on Nov 20, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I haven’t checked all years but it wouldn’t surprise me if most Rule V guys are returned. I wouldn’t be surprised if Steve Johnson is picked up but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s returned. This isn’t a HUGE deal in the end though. Steve Johnson is a so so prospect. It would have been nice to protect him. At least we’re not protecting Chris “Don’t Drink the” Water over him.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Nov 20, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Today has been particularly impressive for me

In terms of the little amount of work I’ve done. It may be the least amount of work I’ve done in one day, ever.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 20, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

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