Sunday Bird Droppings
by Camden Chat on Nov 22, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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It is seriously a slow day for Orioles news. I know it's early and that Andy "Slowsky" MacPhail doesn't rush, but I'm getting antsy for some stuff to start happening. Here's are the few O's stories I could find for you:
Joe Jordan on the top 5 picks
Jordan gives insight on Matt Hobgood, Mychal Givens, Tyler Townsend. Randy Henry, and Ashur Tolliver. -Stacey
Rough Day for Perrault
He gave up 2 run HR in the bottom of the 8th which sent the Phoenix Desert Dogs to their first championship loss in six years. Matt Angle was 2-4 with a triple. I saw a replay of the triple and that kid can fly. -Stacey
Orioles Card "O" the Day: Tito Landrum,
Kevin was so intrigued by Tito Landrum: Male Model that he posted one of Tito's baseball cards. Seriously? A male model?? -Stacey
Around the division:
An Interview with Tampa Bay Rays Director of Pro Scouting Matt Arnold
DRaysBay interviewed the Rays' new Director of Pro Scouting about his background, advanced stats vs traditional scouting, and more. -Stacey
Terry Francona Wants A Pitcher: How About Chris Capuano?
Over The Monster thinks Chris Capuano could be a good fit for the Red Sox in 2010. -Stacey
The Importance of Pettitte
Pinstripe Alley looks at Andy Pettitte's value to the Yankees. Isn't that guy ever going to get old and retire? -Stacey
Who Could Be Put on to the Prospects List? Dunedin Edition
Bluebird Banter takes a look at the prospects in Blue Jays' A ball, including the turncoat Adam Loewen. More importantly, who do you guys think would win in a fight, the Bluebird Banter Blue Jay or the Camden Chat Oriole? Both are pretty fierce, but I think we have the edge. The Oriole definitely looks angrier. -Stacey
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Joe Jordan's reviews
I love this stuff, but when you read it, it’s always plain that a scouting guy is going to focus on the upside. Always taking away the positive. I found myself thinking, “I’d love to see an opposing team’s scouts review each guy, just for an amusing balance.”
Apparently I’m not alone. The first comment after the article reads:
[Why] is it, while reading between the lines, that I walk away with the impression that Rounds 1-5 have the word “bust” written all over it? When history writes itself, I think we’ll see that our #1 (#5 overall) was a golden opportunity wasted.
One of the best things about the emergence of blogs (and therefore, round-the-year reporting and analysis) is that in three years, there will be lots of documentation on how scouting staffs viewed our prospects. It will give fans more insight as to how good the FO is at evaluating talent (not to mention how they handle the talent once they’ve got it—where they send guys and the like).
Or to put it another way, wouldn’t it be interesting today to get this same type of analysis on the first ten guys in the 2006 Draft? To wit:
1 (9) Billy Rowell 3B
S (32) Pedro Beato RHP
2 (58) Ryan Adams SS
3 (85) Zachary Britton LHP
4 (115) Blake Davis SS
5 (145) Tyler Henson SS
6 (175) Jason Berken RHP
7 (205) Joshua Tamba RHP
8 (235) Jedidiah Stephen SS
9 (265) Brett Bordes LHP
10 (295) Emeel Salem OF
I’d love to hear how Joe Jordan felt about that draft, particularly since he had full reign (sic) from Angelos.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Nov 22, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
Zach Britton could end up being a 3rd round steal for us…wonder if anyone saw that coming. Many of these players are just now reaching the AA level, which for some is a better scenario than others.
Can’t wait to see Billy in Bowie.
by sickuvitall on Nov 22, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
[Why] is it, while reading between the lines, that I walk away with the impression that Rounds 1-5 have the word "bust" written all over it? When history writes itself, I think we’ll see that our #1 (#5 overall) was a golden opportunity wasted.
With several pitchers on the board that were evaluated more highly than Hobgood, I couldn’t hep think the same thing.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Nov 22, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our Oriole bird would win, hands down.
Orange>Blue.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Nov 22, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Blue Jays
Would probably throw a hissy fit, and the Oriole would just fly away like “wtf.” Blue Jays are mean, mean things, unable to make friends with other birds, unable to share a bird feeder or bath. The Oriole is more social and also more beautiful.
BIrds don’t really eat each other though. But if they did, the Blue Jay would probably win. But birds don’t do that.
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by the fix is in on Nov 22, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tbh,
irl blue jays are total assholes but absolutely stunningly iridescent and pretty. I think Orioles are equally stunning and much more well-behaved—which would be a detriment in a real fight.
but when you think about the title of their blog “Bluebird Banter” you see that they really aren’t talking about bluejays at all. Instead, they’re talking about bluebirds which are also pretty but not always as stunning as the good old baltimore oriole. Also an oriole would totally kick the shit out of a bluebird.
plus orioles build super cool nests.
plus orange > blue
so O’s win.
by Steve. on Nov 22, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just said "tbh" AND "irl"?
ugh shoot me now.
by Steve. on Nov 22, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Took me a while to figure out irl.
Haha.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Nov 22, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Jay would win
It’d get John Gibbons. And we all know about John Gibbons.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 22, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perrault
What I don’t understand about the Josh Perrault situation is that if the plan was to not add him to the 40 man roster, thusly exposing him to the Rule 5, why send him to Arizona?
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Nov 22, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To see how he does against advanced competition...
…and also, you have to send a certain number of your prospects to the AFL, including pitchers. Since a lot of any team’s top arms have already hit their innings limit, often teams will send less than premium arms to the AFL – Erbe only went because he was hurt for part of the year, Matusz went because he didn’t pitch in the regular minors, etc. This is a part of why the AFL is considered a hitters league.
by James F on Nov 22, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think his point was though that in a way its a lose-lose situation
If he doesnt do well against that advanced competition, then thats obviously a negative. But without adding him to the 40-man roster, any success he has would only demonstrate his value to the rest of the league without being to protect him.
by kba26 on Nov 22, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate ed reed sometimes.
He’s one of my favorite players, but i hate that fucking lateral. I dont know how that got into the ravens playbook a few years ago, but it needs to fucking stop.
by kba26 on Nov 22, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There was NO REASON to do it there
OK, when you’re running back after an INT, you want a few more yards and it’s relatively safe, fine. Why the hell does he do it there? He should have gotten on the ground to save precious seconds. That made me so angry.
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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 22, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not in the playbook
That’s Ed Reed being Ed Reed. Rex Ryan wanted to strangle him a few times after interceptions. But that’s Ed, and he’s said it’s part of his game, and he’s not gonna stop.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
by duck on Nov 22, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well i dont mean the playbook literally
But it started with Ed Reed, and its spread to everyone else (although less so recently). There was a while when every time we got a turnover they were looking for the lateral. It was infuriating.
by kba26 on Nov 22, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I scared my poor dog screaming at Ed Reed on TV
I guess something has to keep her life interesting in the offseason when there are no O’s base runners to yell at
by O! on Nov 22, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First 1-5 don't look good.
I was left scratching my head when we drafted Hobgood. Last year, Hobgood did not impress anyone. It is a bad sign when JJ must spend so much time making excuses for a guy we selected Number 5 in the draft. Jordan’s basic message was, “yes, Hobgood was bad last summer, but we are not worried because he was a HS guy.” If anyone is willing to do the work, I would like to see if other HS pitchers picked high in past drafts have been ho hum their first summer in pro ball.
by BaltoBen on Nov 22, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A whole of a lot of them
Especially when they’re put into higher-level rookie ball with guys that have some pro experience or college/juco ball, instead of the GCL with guys fresh from the DSL and HS ball.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Nov 22, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well let's find out
2009 Hobgood: 26.2 IP, 4.73 ERA, 2.50 FIP
Other HS pitchers drafted in the 1st round of 2009:
Zack Wheeler – no pro experience
Jacob Turner – no pro experience
Tyler Matzek – no pro experience
Matt Purke – not signed
Chad James – no pro experience
Shelby Miller – 2 starts in A-ball, 3 IP total, 6 ERA and 3.87 FIP
OK so that was a completely useless analysis. It does show that while Hobgood was “unimpressive” (in a tiny sample size with a good FIP to boot), you’re comparing to a sample of players who mostly didn’t have a chance to even play in Rookie ball, successfully or unsuccessfully. So what about the 2008 draft:
Ethan Martin – didn’t play that year
Gerrit Cole – didn’t sign
Casey Kelly – only played shortstop that year
Yeah, only 3 HS pitchers were drafted in 2008, and one of them as a position player. What about 2007?
Madison Bumgarner – didn’t play that year
Uh, OK… so over the past 3 years, exactly 2 HS pitchers have seen playing time the year they were drafted – Hobgood and Miller (who threw a grand total of 3 innings). So I think what’s happening here is that we’re penalizing Hobgood for signing quickly and then pitching in Rookie Ball the year he was drafted, something that high school pitchers almost never do (at least those picked in the 1st round). He didn’t even have time to acclimatize himself to his new surroundings, and 26.2 IP is not a big sample size.
Essentially, if Hobgood had Scott Boras as his agent, waiting until the last second to sign – would that really be a better outcome than throwing a handful of innings in rookie ball? Even if he got shelled (which he really didn’t), I think it’s better for him to get that early taste of pro ball.
So you might say “well, guys like Bumgarner played really well the following year”. If Hobgood pitches badly next season, come back and rub that in my face. Also, even Bumgarner needed time to adjust to pro ball – his first four starts resulted in a 3.75 ERA over 24 IP. (Not saying that’s bad, but look at his season line)
by ugen64 on Nov 23, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 22, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Whatever you’re trying to do with this random picture posting, just stop.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Nov 22, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some things never change
"Chicks who dig home runs aren’t the ones who appeal to me, I think there’s sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. I’d rather impress the chicks with my technique than with my brute strength. Then, every now and then, just to show I can do that, too, I might flirt a little by hitting one out."-Ichiro
by WestcoastO'sFan on Nov 22, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, he's just partying like it's 1985
OK, how many other geezers around here remember Letterman’s “Buddy Biancalana watch”?
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Nov 23, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand the significance.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Nov 22, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so i heard....
We might try to sign Berdard.
"Chicks who dig home runs aren’t the ones who appeal to me, I think there’s sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. I’d rather impress the chicks with my technique than with my brute strength. Then, every now and then, just to show I can do that, too, I might flirt a little by hitting one out."-Ichiro
by WestcoastO'sFan on Nov 22, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That
would be just darling.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Nov 22, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if he'd be an upgrade form Guts
Assuming he returns to 2008 form.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be a huge upgrade
When Bedard is healthy, Guthrie can’t touch him.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the key word is when
Guts doesn’t nagging injury problems, Bedard does. I’d much rather Guts for 35 starts then Bedard 15-25.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, you could have both
plus Matusz and Berg. That actually might look something like a major league rotation.
by daveh873 on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah?
Erik Bedard made 15 starts in 2009 for the Mariners. In those 83 innings he had a WAR of 1.9. Guthrie, on the other hand, made 33 starts. In those 200 innings he had a WAR of 1.1. Erik was more valuable than Guthrie in less than half as many innings. You of course would have to factor in who would take Erik’s place if/when he’s injured, but Erik is a much better pitcher than Jeremy Guthrie. It’s not even close. And if we’re talking 25 starts instead of 15? Forget it.
Erik is who he is. He’s not a workhorse. But he’s a damn good pitcher.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I want him back!
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
by duck on Nov 23, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you just need a replacement level player
Someone like Jason Berken (he had a surprisingly good FIP) to make up the innings. 2009 Berken + Bedard = 202 IP of 2.6 WAR pitching.
by ugen64 on Nov 23, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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