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More home runs, please

In 2009, the Baltimore Orioles hit 160 home runs. I decided to look more into the situation today after picking up Weaver on Strategy, which is a classic bathroom-reader/cigarette-accompanier in this house.

Weaver wrote: [1973]... Earl Williams lead us with 22 homers, followed by Grich, with only 12. The team only had 119 homers. I prefer my clubs to hit at least 150 homers. I don't want to take anything away from that club, but it won the fewest games of any division-winning club I managed. Every game was a struggle because of our lack of power, the unability to break it wide open with one swing of the bat. I've managed and won with guys who hit singles and stole bases, but I'd much rather have a power club. Those home runs make life a lot easier.

Since then, of course, home run totals have increased, and the team's 160 homers in 2009 were only good for 11th in the American League. The Yankees led with 244 home runs. In 1973, Cleveland led the American league, which had twelve teams at the time, with 158. So when Weaver is talking about desiring 150 home runs, he really means he wants a top-3 or top-5 team in the category. I'm not exactly trying to advocate that the Orioles need Weaver to manage again (he won't) , or that the Orioles need to take Weaver's book and make a bible out of it (hey, that might not be a bad idea, huh?). But it stands to point. The top five teams in home runs in order were NYY, TEX, BOS, TOR, TB. They averaged  about 89 wins. In terms of the AL Least, 89 wins would have been good for third place. This is the situation the Orioles are in. Hitting more home runs would be very good for the Orioles in 2010! Isn't it a little depressing that every team in the division was a home run leader other than Baltimore?

All things being equal from 2009 to 2010, the Orioles need to hit 183 home runs have the average in the AL. That is a 14% increase. To catch up to the Tampa Bay Rays, the Orioles would have to increase by 39 home runs, or 24%. That is quite a formidable task if the team returns with mostly the same lineup. Where can we find these home runs? We might reasonably hope that Adam Jones plays in more than 120 games, which in itself should be good for 25 home runs (+6 over 2009) and that doesn't count any growth as a young player. If Matt Wieters hit home runs at the same rate that he did for all 96 games that he played it, and he plays 130 games, he'd only have 12 (+3, WOO we're getting somewhere. Except not really). Other than pointing out that Wieters could help in the DH spot on off-days, it also really points out how much of a breakout we are truly expecting from him. It's almost unreasonable.

We might also predict that Markakis will return to his 20-25 home run form, and hope and pray he develops into a 25-30 guy. On the other hand, Brian Roberts is most likely to not hit 16 home runs again. His peak is 18, and his average is 11.

This is why I'm starting to like the idea of Dan Uggla coming in to provide us with 30 home runs a year. I would barely care if he was a DH of if he learns 3B, which is really the only place that I believe he'll fit on the field. In 2010, the Orioles may find themselves missing Aubrey Huff. Aubrey Huff has averaged 25 home runs over the last five years. His 15 home runs in 2009 was just as flukey as his 32 in 2008. He's a hot/cold player, but he's not Luke Scott.

I also want to point out that home runs are not a necessity either, because there were four teams who posted below-average totals and still had winning records. This includes playoff teams LAA and MIN, with 173 and 172, respectively. This is because of superior OBP and SLG percentages.

Although the Orioles finished with above-average marks in doubles, the team was 11th in walks, severely hurting both their OBP (by getting on base less) and SLG (by raising the number of at bats) percentages. So I guess the Orioles could equally desire to pick up some walks, but either way, increasing the home run total is very important because honestly, only KC and OAK were worse than Baltimore. And also, I'm actually trying to focus this fanpost on home runs, obviously.

2010 will be an interesting year. I believe that the LF/DH/1B solution is in-house. But I can't figure it out. Which platoons to use? If Aubrey Huff is resigned, it would be a good thing, but it would mean that Luke Scott needs to be traded, esspecially if Wieters' bat demands to be in the lineup everyday. I liked Aubrey Huff at first in 2009.

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I just want to single you out.

This is what a Fanpost should be. Original analysis, well-documented, throught-provoking, debateable. This is a nice piece of writing. Kudos.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Nov 22, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That said, I don't think Uggla is the best fit...

…because he doesn’t play 3B. He doesn’t want to move there, and there’s no reason to believe if he does that his defense will be any good, as he’s barely adequate as a 2B. I like my Orioles teams to have good defense—I despise having guys who can mash but can’t field. And signing him as a DH? That leaves the same problem at 3B. We’ve got DH candidates already.

Uggla is also not so good against lefties, he will cost us a buttload of young talent, and he’ll be one of the older guys on our new, improved team.

Somewhere else recently, there was a post about how much better the FA class is for next season. Rather than “trade for the bats” this year, I’d like to BUY a good bat next year.

The idea of Uggla is tempting, but the fact is the Orioles are an outside shot at best for even the wild card this year. One more year of patience, then go spend on someone who’s a great fit, not just a maybe-good one.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Nov 22, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of all the names I've heard this off-season

He sure is the most tempting.

We got 25 HR from Luke, and Reimold looks like at least a 20-25 homer guy if he plays a whole season. He hit 14 in 104 games in 2009. Luke Scott just scares me, in good ways and bad.

I’m starting to think that Trembley has quite a task in 2010. Because at the end of 2010, I’d like to know how that whole LF/1B situation works. Felix Pie, as awesome as he is, HAS to be a 4th outfielder unless his performance demands to stay in the lineup. I like to be optimistic when talking about Pie, and if you just look at Aug/Sept, when he hit 7 of his 9 homers, that would be a 32 HR pace. If that was the “real” Pie, he should play every day.

But really, I’m not trying to advocate Uggla, and if we were to get him, it better be from a “second-tier prospect or so.” I just used this article to get the juices flowing.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 22, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3B is easier than 2B though.

So he should be slightly better at it. And again we play in the AL so there’s the DH. I’d prefer Uggla over Scott. Also the whole point of the conversation about Uggla is that he WON’T cost us a buttload of young talent – they are trying to dump salary, so they’re apparently not asking for a ton in return. If the asking price is too high obviously we shouldn’t do it.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the team could

manage to get Jones, Wieters, and Reimold to all hit 20-25, I think that goes a long way. Throw in a 20 homers per season from Nick (please Nick) and the developing power of Josh Bell…

That said, yes, we still need to “buy” a bat at some point. There are certainly no 40 home run guys in the organization. The investment needs to be absolutely perfect though if we are to compete in this division. I think that is what hurt so much about Teixeira, he appeared to be the missing piece.

by sickuvitall on Nov 22, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

Don’t mention Teixeira…makes me sick.

Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27

by Johnny_S on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he could have just said Adam Dunn

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 24, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From where?

I think we can all agree that the Orioles are set at all three outfield positions, second base, and catcher. I think that it is also clear that we can’t expect that we can hugely improve on the power potential Scott offers at DH without signing Bay or Holliday, which we won’t do. And I think we’ll agree yet again that we aren’t going to sign anyone who would block Bell for more than a season at third.

That leaves us shortstop and first base as places for us to improve our power potential. The only bat that offered power at short in either the trade or free agent market was JJ Hardy, and he’s now off the table. Brandon Wood is also a trade possibility, but he hasn’t excelled with the bat in two seasons nor has he played primarily at shortstop over that period. But we should still be scouting and considering a deal for Wood.

At first, the highest power upside on the free agent market is Carlos Delgado, and we’re considering him. Other free agents at first with power are Troy Glaus and Garrett Atkins, both of who also play(ed) third but who have their own significant problems. Jack Cust could be non-tendered by the A’s and can sort of play first. And there is Uggla, who we’re not going to get for a host of reasons: he doesn’t want to play first, his value is largely that he provides a lot of power for a second baseman and that will both increase his cost in prospects compared to his value to us, and he won’t be interested in moving to first because it will reduce his free agency reward.

I think the right move is to sign Delgado and one of Atkins or Glaus. I think that with the two of them, you can reasonably hope that one of them will be healthy enough to play at any given time. Sign Feliz to a one-year deal, and if we’re lucky enough to have Glaus or Atkins healthy and able to play third, put him on the bench. You make a good point about a serious, long-term concern. But even if we could get Adrian Gonzalez for Arrieta/Britton/Snyder (which we can’t), we’re probably not a playoff team this year.

by James F on Nov 22, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unless I'm missing something

Troy Glaus has only played 6 games at 1B in his entire career – does he really count as a first baseman??

by O'sFan21 on Nov 22, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point

I also forgot about Branyan. We could make worse moves than giving him a two-year deal.

by James F on Nov 22, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's good

But he’s another lefty that can’t hit lefties.

by CoachOfEarl on Nov 24, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always wished we had a 35-40 type guy

I wish there was one out there we could buy. That type of guy who gives you crucial base-clearers at opportune moments or gets walked late in the game giving us free base runners.

I don’t like any of the bats out there right now though.

Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27

by Johnny_S on Nov 23, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I looked at the last 10 years

(because I have other things that I should be doing, but amnt)

The only non-abysmal (top half) year we had was 2005. Our team leader was Memlo with 27, but Miggy and Gibbous had 26. 189 dingers were good for 6th in the AL. Not bad for no 30HR guys. Since then, we’ve been 11th 3 times and 7th last year, thanks to breakouts from Huff and Melmo, who promptly shit the bed this year.

Last season we counted on them to defy regression and do it again, which failed miserably, and it really screwed up the whole lineup. Our infield corners (Huff, Melmo, and Wiggy) produced 30HR last year, where you expect more like 50-60.

Right now we have a bunch of (potential) 20-30 HR guys like Jones, Nick, and Reimold, plus Wieters and Pie knocking on that door. All of these guys should show some improvement next year. Plus Luke or whoever replaces him. If we can get these improvements, we’re looking at about 180 HR next year, and that’s without getting some big cocksucker who can hit the ball over the fence.

In 2011, when we sign Adam Dunn like we SHOULD HAVE last year, plus Bell and Snyder, and we’ll be in good shape.

YR HR AL Rank
09 160 11
08 172 7
07 142 11
06 164 11
05 189 6
04 169 9
03 152 11
02 165 9
01 136 13
00 184 8
99 203 7

by CoachOfEarl on Nov 24, 2009 2:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good observations

Another aspect that I overlooked was New Yankee Stadium. In 2008, the AL East teams finished 4, 5, 6, and 7th place in the league, with Toronto being the outlier at 10th place. The White Sox led the league with 235.

I did not look at how many of the AL East home runs came from the stadium, but I’d guess that ALL Eastern teams hit more home runs at Yankee Stadium in 2009 than in 2008. So there’s that. This November, Old Yankee Stadium has begun to be demolished, which is supposed to put an end to the wind tunnel in the new Stadium. In 2009 and beyond, home run totals, especially in this division, will probably revert back to normal.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 24, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sheffield?

The man who will one day be President is, at this moment, lying in his cradle, trying to find some strategic way to get his big toe in his mouth.

-Mark Twain

by poojols on Nov 24, 2009 6:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

People that are old.

Baseball players for 300, Alex.

Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27

by Johnny_S on Nov 24, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry Johnny

but our judges say that you failed to phrase your answer in the form of a question.

by sickuvitall on Nov 25, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No fair!

The answer was in question form!

Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27

by Johnny_S on Nov 25, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that I decided that I'd really love to see Aubrey Huff back.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've had this thought myself...

But at the same time, would it be better this season to have the flexibility to try out Aubrey, Hughes, and eventually Snyder? Or do we sign Huff for a year to DH, trade Scott, and let those guys try out at 1B anyway?

(I’m not really endorsing bringing Huff back, because as much as I like the guy, I think we need more than that. I’m just trying to figure out how it would work if we couldn’t really do any better.)

Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.

by Vuff on Nov 25, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huff provides LEADERSHIP PRESENCE

and will show the young kids where the fun places in Baltimore are.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 25, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

but in other news, he sorta looks like matt wieters in pictures

by twistedlogic on Nov 26, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Last year was his first year of posting a sub-100 OPS+ since, like, 2005

Of course, 2008 was his highest since 2003. He had an abnormally great year followed by an abnormally poor one. Huff seemed to love to be on the team, seemed like a great influence on the younger guys. He drank and swore and masturbated in his hotel room. Who else is going to calm down the kids? Markakis is silent.

I know it’s stupid to try to convince anyone bases on intangibles, but he is far from a bad baseball player. He is getting older. If we’re going to have Wigginton at third OR Aubrey Huff get extended playing time, I’d MUCH rather see the latter. Plus, Huff said he’d like to be on the next winning Baltimore team. I think he would be very open to coming back, but like everything else we’ve talked about this winter (Delgado, Uggla, etc etc), the price has to right.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 26, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, he's the man-horse.

I don’t want to have a debate about intangibles. He was the man-horse. You don’t believe he was the man-horse. I disagree with you.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 26, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your point?

Let’s trade Brian Roberts. What a loser! And Markakis? Adios amigo!

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 26, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look what I find-ed

On google. I remember people looking for it in vain after he was traded. But being that our top dog Stacey is feeling thankful for Blingee today, and seeing how this home run fanpost has turned into my longing for Aubrey Huff, here it is.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 26, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look I liked Aurbrey Huff when he was here.

Even in 2009 I liked him, but the truth is he’s an aging guy who admitedly does not workout in the off-season coming off an unbelievably bad year. Why is there any reason to think he’s not just at or near the end of his usefullness?

by O'sFan21 on Nov 26, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who admitedly does not workout in the off-season

HE NEEDS TO GET HIS ASS TO ARIZONA, STAT

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Nov 26, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i do those all the time

shit dude, those bottles are heavy

by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

heavy and refreshing!

But seriously he could at least step it up and do some 40 oz curls.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 29, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2009 was his lowest OPS+ in like four years. He sucked for Detroit worse than for us.

Of course, 2008 was his highest since 2003. He had an abnormally great year followed by an abnormally poor one. Huff seemed to love to be on the team, seemed like a great influence on the younger guys. He drank and swore and masturbated in his hotel room. Who else is going to calm down the kids? Markakis is silent.

I know it’s stupid to try to convince anyone bases on intangibles, but he is far from a bad baseball player. He is getting older. If we’re going to have Wigginton at third OR Aubrey Huff get extended playing time, I’d MUCH rather see the latter. Plus, Huff said he’d like to be on the next winning Baltimore team. I think he would be very open to coming back, but like everything else we’ve talked about this winter (Delgado, Uggla, etc etc), the price has to right.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 26, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

reply fail

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Nov 26, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude I was on like WIndows 95 or something

I was at the grandparents house in PA.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 26, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aubrey Huff is a good dude

I think he’s cool. But there is no place for him on the Baltimore Orioles. He is not good enough. Don’t let his amazing 2008 cloud your vision. In 2005, 2006, and 2007 he was league average at best. 2008 was an aberration. He’ll be more ’09 Huff than ’07 Huff for the rest of his career.

Given the choice between above average talent and above average intangibles, I’ll take the talent every time.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 26, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I still don’t know what possible intangibles he could possibly have. He’s never sniffed a playoff race before. If you’re going to tout somebody’s intangibles, which I generally find absurd anyways, at least base them on something other than just liking the guy. If you want to say somebody’s a “winner” because they play on a lot of winning teams or something like that I wouldn’t find it as ridiculous.

by O'sFan21 on Nov 26, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How much would he really cost?

Unlike Uggla and others, he is a free agent, so we don’t have to part with anybody. Plus, after he was traded, he REALLY stunk in Detroit. Who wants him?

I’m a fan of the guy for providing bang for the buck. If we need to make a small-term investment on a corner infielder, why not Huff?

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 27, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because he's not good at baseball

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 27, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Signing guys that really sucked, both for us and for the Tigers, and who nobody else wants is a good way to get back into contention!

by O'sFan21 on Nov 27, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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