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From MLBTradeRumors: "According to a team press release, the Padres have claimed righthander Radhames Liz off waivers from the Orioles. The 26-year-old appeared in two games for the O's in 2009, allowing eight hits and ten runs in just 1.1 innings. He made 17 starts for Baltimore in 2008, putting up a 6.72 ERA in 84.1 IP.

Prior to the 2008 season, Baseball America ranked Liz as the Orioles' number two prospect behind Matt Wieters."

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Testament to our farm system.

He goes from #2 to “Radhames Who?” just like that.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Nov 25, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Good riddance

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 25, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Sad to see

It’s sad to see another Orioles pitcher ( also D Cab) with a live arm who can’t find control. We have good pitchers coming up now, but looking over the past 15 years the Os have been snake bit.

by BaltoBen on Nov 25, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Better luck in San Diego, Nostradhames

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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 25, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Happy day!

Never having to worry about Liz ciming up from Norfolk again makes me smile. Thank you Padres.

by fishoutawata on Nov 25, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

i endorse this

although i am quite surprised the blue jays didn’t make a bid

by twistedlogic on Nov 25, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

What a shame

The guy has electric pitches. This pretty much puts the final nail in the coffin of that group of prospects from the middle of this decade (Cabrera, Olson, Liz, Loewen). With those results it would be difficult for our current prospects to be more disappointing.

by sickuvitall on Nov 25, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

I like this brand of optimism
With those results it would be difficult for our current prospects to be more disappointing.

It’s funny/sad that we let Maine go for Kris and Anna Benson, yet he would wind up being the better one…

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 26, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Was Liz highly touted?

I mean, I know he ended up a disappointment, but 2nd best behind Matt Wieters in 2008? Higher than Reimold or Bergesen? Or Jake Arrieta?

Here’s the link: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2008/265361.html

So this was before the Adam Jones trade, which makes sense because no way he’s a better prospect than Tillman.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Nov 25, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Was Liz highly touted?

He was a good prospect but nothing special. Sickels rated him as a B prospect and the 34th best pitching prospect in 2008.

I’m sad to see him go, but we ran out of roster space so it’s right decision to try to sneak him through waivers.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Nov 25, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we trade for Bastardo?

I’m just sad the Os have lost another player with a great name. Randor Bierd is already gone and Rad Liz was the only shining light left.

Of course, he couldn’t figure out his mechanics or control and stuck outloud, but his name…that’s what I will remember.

by Dr Orpheus on Nov 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

Antonio Bastardo is in the wrong line of work

He has a low-rent pro wrestling villain’s name, so he should be a low-rent pro wrestling villain

"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year

by getxstoked on Nov 25, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

the "bastardo" move

consists of him clipping someone viciously from behind.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Nov 26, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That dude, he's a real bastard

Hmm, I was thinking of something like sleeping with your sister and never talking with her again.

I know nothing about wrestling.

by Dr Orpheus on Nov 26, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

we laugh now...

but San Diego has an amazing track record when it comes to signing pitchers off the scrap heap. A lot of it has to do with their enormous park, of course :-)

by ugen64 on Nov 26, 2009 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

The damage done

Liz shows the continuing damage done by so many years of draft ineptitude. Boy did we dig ourselves in a large, deep hole.

by BaltoBen on Nov 26, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Less learned

Both BP and BA talked about Liz’s potential as a solid pitcher. There was clearly something there, development was the problem. That’s what has changed recently. Sure, the draft is handled better, but development has changed.
New coaches and a new ideology in bringing guys up through the minors instead of skipping levels and jumping from Double-A to the majors when a guy isn’t ready. Liz pitched in the majors a full season, maybe more, before he should have. He hadn’t fixed his mechanics and was all over the place. If he had developed as Britton and Erbe had, slowly and with a focus on mechanics and the essentials of that game, maybe he wouldn’t have been so terrible.

by Dr Orpheus on Nov 26, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What I don't love...

Liz was once a top pitching prospect and a valuable commodity in the baseball world. And the Orioles not only managed to not develop his talent successfully (which may well not be their fault) but they also failed to properly exploit his value as a commodity.

Liz clearly had value; that the Padres claimed him off waivers, putting them on the hook for at least $400,000 in salary demonstrates that. More to the point, if things go poorly, this could be the future of Tillman, Arrieta, Erbe, etc. A smart organization turns these players into something of value – if not the player himself, then something else of value on the trade market. Garrett Olson, another busted O’s prospect, was an example of that – we turned him into Pie, another organization’s busted prospect who we thought we could fix (and to a degree, we have). Maybe we could have turned Liz into Matt Antonelli, a former top Padres prospect whose career is, like Liz’s, in a tailspin.

by James F on Nov 27, 2009 2:27 AM EST reply actions  

just because they claimed him off waivers...

doesn’t mean he had trade value. the only reason you trade for a player on waivers is if you think there will be enough interest that you don’t think you’ll win the claim (because if a team with higher waiver precedence – i.e. a worse record – claims him too, they get him). now I don’t know about you, but I don’t think teams were lining up to claim Liz.

second of all, the bigger problem with your argument is that successful waiver wire claims happen all the time. how did we get Sean Henn? Armando Gabino?

by ugen64 on Nov 27, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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