MLB Trade Rumors Predicts Delgado to the Orioles
MLB Trade Rumors has released its list of the top 50 free agents for 2010 along with predictions where each will end up. They give the Orioles one player on the list: Carlos Delgado.
My first instict was, "Thanks, but no thanks." Delgado is old as the hills and he was injured most of last year. After I let it marinate for a few hours, though, I think I may be warming up to it just a bit. Don't get me wrong, it's not a signing that excites me, but it sort of goes along the same lines as signing Jim Thome. If he's healthy, Delgado will probably give you 25-30 HR and an OBP in the mid 300s. He'd be a risk given his injury last year but that might also make him 1) something of a bargain, and 2) willing to come to the Orioles because there isn't much of a market for him. His injury, by the way, was a labrum tear in his hip, similar to the injuries by Alex Rodriguez and Chase Utley, both of whom came back with no further problems (but neither of whom are 38 years old).
An argument against Delgado (and Thome, for that matter) is the fact that the Orioles have been pretty horrendous against left-handed pitching, and he doesn't provide much help in that area. While he has a career OPS of .806 against lefties, in the past few years they look more like this: .769, .752, .704, .789, and .965 (in just 26 games). While those are all higher than the Orioles team OPS of .691 against lefties, it's still not very impressive*. Even so, Delgado would still be an improvement as a 1B/DH.
So what say you? Yay or nay on Carlos Delgado?
*Also, just as aside, it's possible the O's will do better against LHP in 2010 just by virtue of not having Aubrey Huff (.650 OPS against LHP) and Melvin Mora (.690) in the lineup, not to mention possible bouncebacks by Nick Markakis (.682 OPS against LHP in '09, .843 in '08, and .751 career) and Ty Wigginton (.650 in '09, .840 career)
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eh...
he is always hurt and is something of a streaky player. I dont know if he’s really that much better than Luke Scott (except for the fact that Delgado actualy has played 1st for some time now). I think I wont really care either way, as long as it’s only a 1 year deal, maybe with an option year.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Delgado games played
2009 – 26
2008 – 159
2007 – 139
2006 – 144
2005 – 144
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by Stacey on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well I guess that makes me look dumb...
I guess I was thinking about the 1st half of 2008 and forgot that he wasn’t injured, just attrocious. If he comes back from his injury sucessfully (which he should) he could have a .265/.350/.515 kinda year with 30 HR’s. Those would likely be better numbers than Luke would put up.
Like I said, if it’s a 1 year deal, cool.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's WAY better than Luke Scott.
Even if they ended up with comparable numbers, Luke’s would all be in one hot streak, whereas Delgado would at least spread it out with a little consistency.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they fucking trade Luke by the way.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a hunch...
but do you dislike Luke a bit?
Actually, I know that you hate Luke. That was an attempt at humor. And honestly, Delgado can be hella streaky. His 2008 numbers are only good because he finished the year on an MVP pace and started it on player-who’s-about-to-get-DFA’s pace. When you watch one player and judge another mainly off stats, you’re prone to think that way (that Delgado may not be streaky while Luke is). Fact is they’ll probably end the season relatively close numbers-wise, but i’d still give Delgado the edge in just about every catagory.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you show me splits other than one single season for Delgado that indicate he's anywhere near as streaky as Luke?
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
2007 1st half:
.242/.305/.435
2007 2nd half:
.285/.375/.469
2008 1st half:
.248/.328/.455
2008 2nd half:
.303/.386/.606
I’m not gonna list everything (thats why baseball-reference exists), but I will say he’s always been a 2nd half guy. Over the past fewseasons, he’s really made a living out of a couple great months. He may not be as feast of famine as Luke, but he’s not exactly mr consistent.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The big difference is that Luke just isn’t a second half or first half guy. He’s a 6 weeks guy and then a whole lot of suck (at least in 2009).
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well...
Luke is streaky, dont get me wrong, but 2009 was a bit of an abberation. He usually doesnt fit his whole season into a month. Over his career he’s been more of a hot for 4 weeks, cold for 4 weeks, then hot again kinda guy, but his power is usually consistent. Last year was definitely not the norm.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a huge difference between being a 2nd half hitter and being Luke Scott streaky.
2009 was more ridiculous than usual, but Scott’s typical pattern is 3 weeks of mediocre at best hitting and 1 week of torrid hitting. Also Delgado’s 1st halfs are nothing in comparison to Luke’s cold streaks when he hits like a pitcher.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 week of torrid hitting
Well, he wasn’t THAT bad. He was insanely hot for a whole 3 weeks in May (1.479 OPS but he missed about a week’s worth of action). And he was very good in April and the first two weeks of June. So that’s 1 month of great production and 6 weeks of very good production. Starting June 17th, he started to suck and suck hard. Look at his game log on baseball-reference. He went 4 for 0 against the Mets and then slumped. He was very good for the first 11 days of July (1.182 OPS) before sucking again. July 17th he went 5 for 0 against the White Sox. After that, Luke turned into Brandon Fahey. So up until July 17th, look was very good hitter (and insanely good in May) before sucking. So actually, I change my mind, Luke was very much a first half hitter in 2009.
btw, I love how you can select a date range on baseball-reference and getting batting statistics.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I wasn’t saying the had 1 torrid week over the course of the season – I was saying that out of every 4 weeks it was reasonable to expect 1 awesome one and 3 pretty bad ones.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was saying that out of every 4 weeks it was reasonable to expect 1 awesome one and 3 pretty bad ones.
Well, that would require me to break down the entire season week by week. Not only is that time consuming, weekly stats can easily be skewed by one hot game. if you were to break down every player week by week, I’m sure everybody is streaky. In looking at his game log, Luke was very good in April (OPS .817). Pujols like in May (OPS 1.479). Split personality in June (OPS .896 between June 1st and June 16th, OPS ..588 between June 17th to June 30th). Split personality in July (OPS 1.182 between July 1st and July 11th, .307 OPS for the rest of the month but he didn’t play between July 12th and July 16th). And bad in Aug/Sept/Oct (.748). Or just simply bad from July 12th through the rest of the season (.667 OPS). He was the classic first half hitter, second half black hole in 2009. I can’t remember what happened on July 11th when Luke missed 5 games. When he came back, he was a completely different hitter. Did he get hit by a pitch or something?
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Delgado was a streaky off MF in 2008. I remember it was a given that the Mets wouldn’t pick up his option for 2009 and then he got hot in the second half.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=delgaca01&year=2008&t=b
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it
only for a year contract. On the other hand, I’d much rather sign Vlad to a year contract, but that’s wishful thinking.
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by Michael18 on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Guererro will never sign
for any team from a city that does not have a large spanish speaking population. Period. He wasn’t interested in Baltimore before and he won’t be now. Vlad does not speak English very well. So forget about him ever signing with the Orioles.
by fuddnelson on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, it’s preference, not be all, end all. he’ll sign w/ us given the proper amount of money, but andy isn’t going to do that.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m game for a 1 year contract. I’m always a big fan of low-risk, high-reward signings (go after Sheets!) that can man the position and buy time for the prospects. Who knows, if he’s hot in the 1st half we flip him at the deadline.
by bigity b on Nov 9, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus...
they predict Lackey to… the Yankees? That’d be fun.
They also predict Pettite resigns with the Yanks. Seeing how Joba and Hughes are supposed to both be starters next year, they already have CC and AJ, and they still have Wang lingering in the shadows, I dont know how this all would work out. I’m guessing they dont sign Lackey. I wouldnt be shocked though.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure most of their predictions will be wrong
I can’t imagine Holliday going to the Mets. Aren’t they practically bankrupt? They’re already obligated to over $90M for 2010.
I looked up their 2009 predictions: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/2009-top-50-fre.html. Looks like they got about 10 right.
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by Stacey on Nov 9, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere
they got 13 of 50 last year. As far as the Mets are concerned, apparently they actually made money from the whole Madoff saga, so I dont think they are as broke as they appeared to be. I think when everyone linked the Madoff thing to the Mets having holes and not signing the players they needed, the Wilpons just kept their mouths shut and let the public build their excuse for them.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of points
1) Youth is what is overvalued in the market nowadays (which is I suspect why Billy Beane went after Giambi and Cabrera last winter). Yes, a huge majority of players’ peaks are at age 30, and most are in rapid decline by their late 30s, but this is not true for every player, and older veterans who have had recent success are unlikely to simply fall off the map suddenly. This may or may not apply to Delgado, who barely played in 2009.
2) The Orioles had the worst first base situation in the majors last year, and it absolutely needs to be upgraded. The in-house options of Scott, Aubrey, Snyder, and Hughes are less than palatable to myself, but I don’t know how they work for you all (or the Orioles).
3) Delgado probably is the highest upside bat on the market (which is weak) among the first basemen, though he is hardly a sure thing, and as noted doesn’t really help with the left-handed issues of the team (and needing to face a variety of good lefties in Sabathia, Pettitte, Price, Lester, and whoever else gets brought in means there is a lot of need for lefty-mashing talent on the 2010 Orioles).
4) There is always the trade market, and the non-tender market to consider, as the Orioles do have a few movable trade chips to acquire a young hitter. I think the speculated hypothetical I heard a lot was Guthrie for Mat Gamel, which I could probably get behind if the Orioles went out and signed a decent pitcher (of course, there isn’t really a comparable pitcher on the market, but I digress).
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Guthrie for Gamel
Is that a possibility? Isn’t he their top young player? I think that Guthrie would have a lot of success in the NL Central.
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by Stacey on Nov 9, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
It’s just a hypothetical I heard once or twice.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has been raised in multiple places
As for how much of a possibility it is, I don’t know. Gamel has both defense and contact problems, and while last offseason he was declared off-limits by the Brewers, they have made it pretty clear they will dangle him this year. With McGahee establishing himself as the 3b in Milwaukee, Fielder at 1b, and Hardy dealt for a CF, it seems obvious that Gamel will be dealt for pitching. But Gamel hasn’t hit for contact above AA and is a butcher at 3b.
by James F on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.278AVG in 75 AAA games last year isn't hitting for contact?
His OBP was .367 in the same timespan. I’d take that for sure.
The defense must improve, tho. He was averaging an error every 4 games in his stint with Milwaukee.
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by OEutaw on Nov 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DH material?
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Nov 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going off of what I read...
…but there are some disturbing aspects to his stats. He struck out in nearly 40% of his plate appearances in AAA between 2008 and 2009 and struck out in 42.3% of his first 150 major league plate appearances. Meanwhile, that .278 average in AAA was helped by a .376 BABIP.
Here is what Keith Law had to say about Gamel midseason:
“I ranked Milwaukee third baseman Mat Gamel 86th on my top 100 prospects last winter despite a strong track record in the minors because of concerns about his swing and lack of position. He looks hopeless at third base, with bad hands and feet for the position, and while he has plenty of arm he tends to sidearm the ball, which isn’t going to help his throwing accuracy.
The Brewers have brought up several third basemen in name only (3BINOs) recently, stuck with them as long as they reasonably could (or longer), and yet none has improved enough to stay at the position. Gamel is much less athletic than Ryan Braun is, and it’s not likely that he’ll break the streak.
At the plate, Gamel has two things going for him — bat speed and raw strength. His wrists are quick and he explodes to the ball once he gets his hands started from a fairly deep loaded position, with good extension through the ball. He’s strong and looks like he’ll get a little stronger, probably producing 25 to 30 home run power at his peak. He also has shown adequate plate discipline throughout his career. On the negative side, Gamel’s entire swing isn’t conducive to making adjustments. He bars his lead arm fully (see screenshot) after striding, which limits his time to react to pitches and also commits him somewhat to a predetermined path. A bar isn’t fatal — teammate Frank Catalanotto has barred his front arm throughout a 13-year career in the majors — but it increases the importance of skills like pitch recognition and hand-eye coordination that Gamel hasn’t shown.
Until this year he had a strong track record of performance at every level, including a .329/.395/.537 line last year in Double-A Huntsville and a .300/.378/.472 line the year before that in the hitter-unfriendly Florida State League. Since reaching Triple-A, however, his contact rates have suffered significantly, with 99 strikeouts in 353 plate appearances there across two years, none of which is a surprise given his swing; advanced pitching is giving him trouble.
Gamel’s profile isn’t that of a great prospect. He currently has no position, and he’s probably going to end up a below-average corner outfielder, a first baseman, or a DH, any of which would require more offensive output than third base would. He’s a few major adjustments away from becoming a good hitter for average in the majors, and his walk rates, while adequate, would probably still produce low to moderate OBPs for a player at a hitter’s position. I understand that the Brewers refused to part with Gamel in trade talks this summer, and given his track record in 2007-08 I can see some reason for the reluctance, but I’m not sure where he profiles for a club with superstars at first base and in left field and no DH spot available. "
by James F on Nov 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
perhaps Gamel isn’t the guy we ought to be looking at, especially considering the strikeout pitchers we’re up against in the AL East.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not opposed to him
We’re not going to get a top prospect for someone like Guthrie who doesn’t have flaws. If you give up on having Gamel try to be a 3b and put him in a new system with new coaching, there is a lot of potential there, and he’s going to be only 24 in 2010. He’s got power and patience to burn, and those are valuable commodities, and we’d have him for six seasons. If we add a starter and the O’s staff thinks that Gamel can improve his contact skills, then it could be a good move. Or it could fail miserably.
by James F on Nov 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1) Youth is what is overvalued in the market nowadays (which is I suspect why Billy Beane went after Giambi and Cabrera last winter).
Youth is cheap so I’m not sure it can be overvalued because it’s not susceptible to market pressures. And that’s Beane’s MO. Go after over the vets whi might have somethign left and sign them to a one year deal (see David Justice, Frank Thomas).
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, the trend has been towards youth
which made Frank Thomas and Jason Giambi and others (Abreu) available and relatively cheap. They don’t always work out – Giambi sure didn’t in Oakland – but in general it’s a lot easier to get value from a 36 year old on a shorter, smaller contract than it is for a 30 year old on a 150+ million dollar 8 year contract.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 9, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the trend has been towards youth which made Frank Thomas and Jason Giambi and others (Abreu) available and relatively cheap.
Frank Thomas didn’t play in 2009. Giambi and Abreu were cheap because they were over the hill and bad defensively. But they were good enough in 2008 to get a guaranteed contract. If anything, these guys were cheap because teams are valuing defense more. The trend has been towards youth but it’s not overvalued and it’s definitely not why Beane signs these guys because that’s been his thing for awhile now.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
there’s an argument that defense correlates to youth, but its obviously not absolute.
Anyway, I’ll agree to disagree with you again, but I really do think that baseball is trending towards wildly overvaluing youth and prospects – not because they aren’t worth the nothing they get paid because the relative value is obviously very high, but I think the absolute value is a little bit lower than what many perceive it as. That’s simply because, for example, if we look at Nolan Reimold we see a good ballplayer but also a lot of potential to become a great ballplayer in the next six years while he’s under contract. But that’s not to say he will be as good as, say, Manny Ramirez (to take an extreme, and yes I know Manny isn’t a free agent, but play along) over the next two years, because while Nolan might be a long term solution and Manny is not, Manny is probably a better left fielder (or at least, a better hitter).
So that potential is what gets overvalued, I think…if that makes any sense. Heck, I’m not sure it makes sense to me.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really do think that baseball is trending towards wildly overvaluing youth and prospects – not because they aren’t worth the nothing they get paid because the relative value is obviously very high, but I think the absolute value is a little bit lower than what many perceive it as.
You mention Reimold. Let’s use him as an example. According to fangraphs, his absolute value is $4.3M (i.e., his value given his production), but he made the ML minimum. If anything, his perceived value is much lower because fans underestimate the value of defense. The trend is not that teams have been overvaluing young players. It’s the kind of the opposite. Teams are now properly valuing young players and more likely to hold on to them instead of giving a job to an overpaid vet.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this then?
Teams are overvaluing prospects. The returns on Cliff Lee and Johan Santana, as well as Philly’s refusal to part with multiple prospects for Roy Halladay at least give this one some legs, right? It’s almost as if teams would rather have a highly ranked farm system than one of the top pitchers in the game for two years.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s almost as if teams would rather have a highly ranked farm system than one of the top pitchers in the game for two years.
That’s not overvaluing prospects, that’s just sensible baseball management. A stacked farm system is much more valuable than having one ace. Winning teams need multiple good players, not just one superstar pitcher (e.g., the Mets in 2009, the O’s in 2007).
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m not sure about the value of going after these vets. Why not let Pie and Reimold switch between LF and DH. This way we’ll maybe develop Pie’s bat rather than giving away bats to a vet who won’t be here next year. If we sign Thome or Delgado to a cheap one year deal, fine, whatever, but we can do w/o them.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who plays 1B if you have Pie and Reimold sharing LF/DH?
please don’t say luke scott. please don’t say luke scott. please don’t say luke scott.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Luke. And I have to say that I’m pissed that the O’s didn’t give him more practice at 1B after they said they would. He started a whole 8 freakin’ games at 1B. Look, he might be a crappy 1B, but you should at least give him a chance. If he sucks, fine, move him off, but give him a chance. 8 games does not constitute a chance.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less about his fielding.
I just don’t like him as an offensive 1B. Or as an offensive player at all.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I get that his offensive value was bunched up into a 6 week span. But you can’t non-tender him because, well, that’s just stupid. Trade him or play him.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Trade away so I don’t have to watch him flailing around for 5 of the 6 months of the season!
by O'sFan21 on Nov 9, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where
Does Brandon Snyder fit in all of this?
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon will probably spend most of next season at AAA. If he tears it up, then call him up, move Luke to DH, and Pie to the bench.
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by birdman on Nov 9, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s fine for a 1 or 2 year deal. There are many worse options to fill the gap at first for a year or two.
Also, looking at this from a PR perspective, Delgado has 472 career home runs right now. They could really hype up a chase to 500, which would get fans to the ballpark, where maybe they’d notice that there is a lot about this team to be excited about.
by Dr. J on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, minus the 500HR hype.
I frankly don’t need to see Angelos putting more numbers up on the warehouse while the team is still trying to hit the .500 mark just once in the last decade.
I would really like to see them take the same approach to 3B with, say, Troy Glaus.
1-2 year deal for Delgado.
2-3 year deal for Glaus.
That kind of stop-gap is better than signing a Jeff Conine-type for 4 years.
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by OEutaw on Nov 9, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
It’s not my money so I don’t care about the price tag and they need a first baseman. They got zero production out of that position last year, so he at least won’t be a worse option.
by yurizanow on Nov 9, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The article also names us as a possibility for Billy Wagner.
And, given that our current options are Chris Ray or Jim Johnson, I’d welcome Billy the Kid with open arms.
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by OEutaw on Nov 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe Koji?
Wasn’t Kam Micolio or Sarfate supposed to get a try at closer, too?
by fuddnelson on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, any bullpen addition is great and badly needed. Step 1, clear out the dead-weight (Baez, Walker, etc). check. Step 2, put in guys in proper assigned roles and let them sink or swim. I def. dont want to see a closer rotation of CR, JJ, KM. Chose one as the closer, the other two as set-up men OR sign a closer, assign JJ as the set-up man and and use CR, KM as situational/matchup pitchers.
by bigity b on Nov 9, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
Without Mora and Old Aubrey, the Orioles hit .258/.317/.376 with 308 strikeouts. Those two combined for .240/.310/.368 with 54 strikeouts in 374 plate appearances against lefties, but the overall struggles are hardly confined to them. Only Roberts, Scott, and Reimold were any good against left-handed pitching.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
They played what should be two of the more valuable offensive positions (obviously more Huff than Mora).
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 9, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess yay.
I say give him a shot for a year, see how he does. Not much to lose, seeing as how he’s getting old and other teams probably don’t have an incredible amount of incentive to get him. Plus, first basemans are nice in this time of need. Left-handed power bat? Go for it.
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by LenaO on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Um... no thank you.
Really, we have enough locked up in the outfield that we can improve the team just by moving an OF to 1B, and we have more Left handed hitters than is really necessary.
If it’s a really low market deal, OK, but I’m much more interested in a RH bat or a 3B or someone who’s not 38.
by math_geek on Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be fine giving Delgado a shot on a one-year deal
To me it’s not so much about dollars as it is about years. You don’t want to be offering someone like Delgado or Thome or Glaus or Nick Johnson anything more than a year (or 2 years on a reallllly cheap contract) because that’s begging to get bitten in the ass when they suck and you find yourself having to upgrade yet again. The O’s aren’t going to be a team that has a $5M/year player sitting on the bench, so when you sign, say, Aubrey Huff to a three-year deal, you’re really committing a roster spot to him for three years. That’s why all this talk about “value” players really concerns me. Is Delgado really going to come here on a one-year deal? Is Glaus? Dye? Beltre? Let’s be honest: probably not. So say the O’s sign Glaus and Delgado to two-year deals to come in and hit a few homers, but the late years of their career end up hitting them hard and they never really produce. Now it’s 2011 and the O’s were hoping to compete, but they’re still running these two slapdicks out to the infield every night because they have no trade value and there’s no way Angelos opens the pockets to upgrade one or both positions when he’s already got millions tied up at the corners. So, yeah … one-year deals is all I’m saying.
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by CStoneNo37 on Nov 9, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Jim Thome.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 9, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good luck.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Those who do not study history are bound to repeat it:
Every “on-the-decline” player we’ve EVER picked up does not work out for us.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
I’m out of cliches.
But damn it – just NO!! NO!!
And NO!
by Y Not on Nov 9, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Can you say, “Sammy Sosa, redux”?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Nov 9, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We traded for Sosa
this would be a simple 1 year cash transaction. If it doesn’t work out, you flip him for what you can at the deadline or cut him and be done with it. Its a risk, sure, but a much smaller one than Sosa was.
by daveh873 on Nov 9, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather go after Nick Johnson...
…because it’s possible he’d be here for more than a year or two. Still though, my faith in Pie makes me want to move Reimold to first, but I’ve said that on every thread possible.
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by dfa on Nov 9, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely Not
Echoing what Y Not points out above, how many times are we going to take that oldtimer who “should give us at least 25-30 HR”? I’ve been hearing this line about the old ponies they keep trotting through Otterbein to the ballpark for too damn long. I like Delgado, but let’s not kid ourselves. This will not work out for us.
by Jonny Pops on Nov 10, 2009 7:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who else have we signed as a free agent for a bargain price that was old and was supposed to give us 25-30 HRs?
If the price is right it’s hard for me to understand what the risk is. You’re not giving up ANYTHING for him since he’s a FA.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
feliz
pedro feliz is being non-tendered from the philles bring him in and as far as pie i have no faith in his hitting or spotty outfield work
by chuckthefan on Nov 10, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Spotty outfield work?
He looked absolutely fine after the first few weeks of the season.
by O'sFan21 on Nov 12, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its ashame
that the O’s are down to picking 38 years old has been’s to bolster there lineup. Remember old Slammin’ Sammy Sosa from ‘05, whatta joke, & this Delgado trip is another laugher. Come on there has got to be a better option out there than a 38 year old player whose seen his better days. The Orioles have to start bucking up or there will be alot more 98 + losing seasons and cellar dwelling in the AL East; for Pete’s sake, or Peter’s sake I should say…..
by F4PhantomPhreak on Nov 11, 2009 3:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's a huge difference.
Sosa wasn’t a FA. They actually had to give something up for him. They would give up nothing other than money for Delgado.
Who else do you have in mind???
by O'sFan21 on Nov 12, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
















