2010 Hall of Fame Vote

by Stacey on Dec 1, 2009 4:00 PM EST in Fun and Games Comment 97 comments

Dave Parker, nemesis of the '79 Orioles, has been on the HoF ballot longer than any other current eligible player. Could 2010 be his year? (AP Photo/File)

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The Baseball Writers Association of America is in process of voting for this year's eligible retired players on their Hall of Fame worthiness. SB Nation is conducting a similar vote as they did with the RoY, Cy Young, etc. daveh873 and I will be voting in that one, but I thought it'd be fun to take a vote among Camden Chat members and compare the results to those of SBN and the BBWAA.

Here is the online ballot which includes all 26 eligible names. You can vote for up to ten players. You can vote for zero players if you like, but even if you think no one is worthy please still submit so it can count towards the total percentage. Ballots will be accepted until Christmas Day and the results will be released on 01/04/2010.

I've included below the jump all 26 players with a link to their Baseball Reference page. Have fun with this but give it a little thought. There are a lot of former O's on the list but try to remain objective (i.e. don't go voting for Todd Zeile because he hit 3 HR in the 1996 ALCS. Don't vote for him for any other reason either.)

Feel free to discuss your opinions and such in the comments as well, this doesn't have to be a secret ballot. If you think a borderline guy definitely should or should not get in feel free to give a case for or against him.

Complete list of eligible players. For those who are not on the ballot for the first time, their first year of eligibility is in parentheses.

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OK, I'm a blank slate. Sway me.

Maybe not totally a blank slate. There are names I know I’d never vote for, and nobody else probably ought to either. There are a couple I’m probably voting for regardless.

Who are the borderline guys who the BBWAA really ought to vote in? Who are the borderline guys who the BBWAA really ought to keep out? What guy is criminally underappreciated so much that he’s not even going to be borderline?

Handicap for me here. I’ll listen to any arguments.

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Dec 1, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My borderline yes guy is Tim Raines

He’s a little low in the comps I guess, but the dude was a beast. He stole over 800 bases at like an 85% success rate. Over 2600 hits, career OBP of .385.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Steroids and DH's are ok with me

Many people will never vote for McGuire. I am not among them. I am glad the sport is trying to clean up the performance enhancing drugs, but they were part of the sport for awhile. No one is going to expunge the effects. It cannot be done. So unless game scores are going to be changed, we all need to simply deal with it. McGuire hit alot of HRs. So did McGriff and Bonds. It was not against the rules, as I understand them. So deal with it up front. State that the druggies did so and move on.

by fuddnelson on Dec 1, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Drugs not against the rules?

Of course they were. These cheaters just didn’t get caught.

by DCO'sfan on Dec 1, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So how do you determine who did and didn't do steroids?

Are the greatest players of that generation not going into the HOF? Bonds, Clemens, Arod, Manny, Palmeiro, etc? That seems foolish.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, there is a list of 104 offenders

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So I guess those are the ONLY guys who did it.

Everybody else is innocent!

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

do you have a point beyond hyperbole?

There was league wide voluntary testing in 2003. 104 players failed. That is all the comprehensive information available.

Sure there are probably some players who slipped through. People get away with things all the time. It does not make them innocent. But those that get caught, get punished. That is the system. That is most systems.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

For instance, all of the players who didn't volunteer

And the volunteers were promised immunity and privacy, but look what happened. System fail.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 2, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know how that went

but i don’t think it was straight volunteers. I think it was all the premier players from each team in a forced volunteerism. Why else would known users volunteer?

About the promised privacy: That is terribly unfortunate. But now that three names have been leaked, they all need to be exposed. It is only fair. They are still immune to suspensions/fines but they should all be judged in the court of public opinion. For instance if A-Rod is being denied HOF votes because of his association with this list it is exponentially unfair that other unleaked names are not being judged the same way.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes I absolutely have a point.

The fact that there was no testing before 2003 and the fact that there are still many things that players can take that don’t show up on tests, makes it virtually impossible to say for certain who took what and when and what kind of an impact it had on their careers. So, it seems entirely unfair to penalize the guys who either got caught or have been strongly implicated when you have no idea at all how many of the guys they were competing against were also doing it.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it's not unfair to punish players who cheat.

sure some other people didn’t get caught. but some other people also didn’t cheat.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Dec 2, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree in principle that it's not unfair to punish players who cheat.

That’s what suspensions are for. I think it’s unfair to judge one player as dirty or tainted against others as clean if one of them got caught and the others didn’t, when the testing program is ineffective.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

a quick question

is there a set number of ppl who get in every year because i see 7 who shold go in easy, and you can’t not vote for mcgwire he never tested positive and hell what was legal yesterday is illegal today.

by chuckthefan on Dec 1, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Baseball's rules did ban such substances

but the contract with the MLBPA had no way to check for usage of such substances. THere’s also the question of whether those substances were obtained legally by each player.

But the thought of a baseball Hall of Fame without Mark McGwire and Roger Clemens seems kind of silly. That would be like keeping out the guy who’s had the most hits for something he did off the field. Oh, wait…

"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White

by duck on Dec 2, 2009 6:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Except they didn't do this off the field

They did it to enhance their game illegally. That’s cheating. And, until Pete Rose gets in, I won’t even consider (if I could) voting for these guys.

by DCO'sfan on Dec 2, 2009 7:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I am in the shrinking majority, but NO WAY Pete Rose gets in

Betting against your team is the worst possible infraction a player /coach can commit. While there is no evidence that he did this unfortunately Pete’s general asshollishness has made it impossible to eliminate the doubt.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I used to be sypathetic to Rose

Esspecially after reading his book. But I’ve matured since then, and he does not belong in the hall of fame.

It doesn’t matter if he bet against his team or not. He bet on baseball while he was a participant in baseball games. It’s just not acceptable.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So...you're sympathetic to steroid users?

It’s simply unacceptable to cheat by using banned drugs to enhance your ability to hit homeruns. How many homeruns do you think McGwire would have if he didn’t take drugs? 60 homeruns in one season would be gone. Not a chance he would have that on his track record.

by DCO'sfan on Dec 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't know that

I’m not saying it’s couldn’t be true, but do say “not a chance?” No way to know.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 2, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

How did 60 homeruns happen so suddenly?

by DCO'sfan on Dec 2, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You would have to ask Roger Maris

this is a dead end argument

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

not a chance.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Dec 2, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How many HRs do YOU think McGwire would have hit if he didn't take drugs?

Do YOU know what drugs he took and when? Do YOU know that the drugs he took had ANY impact on his HR rate?

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think the issue is even remotely related to Pete Rose.

The issue with Pete Rose is that his gambling calls into question the integrity of all the games he played in and managed – was he doing things to lose on purpose? who knows. Steroids only (and maybe only theoretically) improve performance. Nobody is taking a dive on steroids.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I only brought Pete Rose

Into the picture because duck did.

by DCO'sfan on Dec 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The element of 'character' is supposed to be weighed on the HOF ballot

Considering the mockery he and others made of Congress, I would say the character points are lacking regardless of the steroid issue.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ehhhh

It’s hard to take that real seriously when Ty Cobb is in there.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I knew Ty Cobb would be brought up to refute the 'character' argument

But Ty Cobb’s greatness outweighed the character problems.
Mark Mcgwire was a one dimensional player with marginal HOF qualifications so the character question plays with in his case.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No.

Ty Cobb was a virulent racist who beat a crippled man, Mark McGwire took andro, which you could walk into GNC and buy at the time, there’s a difference, figure it out.

"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year

by getxstoked on Dec 2, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It is the lying to Congress that offends me

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Did he lie to congress?

No.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I believe he used his 5th amendment rights

He doesn’t have to say shit if he doesn’t want to.

by getxstoked on Dec 2, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. Didn't even come close to lying.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ollie North did, too

Just sayin’…

"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White

by duck on Dec 2, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

fuck ollie north

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Apples and mangos

North lied about running a secret criminal foreign policy from the WH basement.

McGwire lied about something of even less importance than what Clinton lied about.

The whole steroid hysteria is really just a subplot of the war on (some) drugs, which is essentially a pretext that some of those in power use to keep perfectly harmless people locked up

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Dec 2, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

PS

McGwire was never anything above borderline to begin with. Pretty much a Dave Kingman 2.0. If he doesn’t make it, he doesn’t make it.

However, if a bunch of chest thumping, self-righteous jackasses keep Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, Manny, etc. out, that’s a whole other thing.

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Dec 2, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

As a fan, I would really like closure on the steroid issue. Exposure and amnesty but I do not think that will ever happen. It will gradually fade away and those guys will get in but it is going to take some years.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But disagree

about writing off the hysteria as a subplot of the war on drugs. the way the media often played it up, yes.
But to me this is a workplace issue. Workers were put in a position where their livelihoods were at stake. They had to stay abreast of their competitors in order to continue to make a living. The bosses knew what was going on but turned a blind eye and the workers were forced to make a decision between compromising their own health or continuing to earn a wage.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The whole steroid hysteria is really just a subplot of the war on (some) drugs, which is essentially a pretext that some of those in power use to keep perfectly harmless people locked up

What a crock. What a bullshit generalization. It’s not hysteria when teenagers are commiting suicide after coming off of years of steroid use.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Dec 2, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All right, I'll show restraint & go with the Readers Digest version

Sure, keep it illegal for kids to use steroids. Bring the shit hammer down HARD on anyone who sells to kids. But what does that have to do with adults?

Unless you want to go 12 on the merits of bringing back alcohol prohibition for everyone… (;-)

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Dec 3, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's just one glaring example of a horrible character.

And I would argue that his character overshadowed his on-field greatness, but that’s neither here nor there.

I just think this idea that the HOF is some honorable and moral institution is total horseshit. Tons of people in the hall did greenies, gambled, were racists, did cocaine in the 1980s, etc. Character just doesn’t matter that much and honestly I don’t even think a person’s character is necessarily that bad of a statement of somebody’s character if everybody you’re competing with to make a living is doing them as well and there is no testing for them.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

errr

that should read I don’t think doing steroids is that bad of a statement of somebody’s character.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

me neither

its the aftermath and cover up that i find offensive

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Blame the reporters, then

They built up Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc and then gleefully tore them down, because they’re pathetic assholes with delusions of being Deep Throat.

by getxstoked on Dec 2, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What "aftermath and cover up"?

You mean everybody not just coming out and saying “Hey yeah you’ve got me – I did steroids!” What kind of fucking idiot would do that?

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I mean folks going under oath and lying

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

Who did that?

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

mcgwire may not have lied under oath.
but i recall quite a few people talking and declaring they didn’t use steroids.
clemens, sosa, palmeiro

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i think brob pretty much did that

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that is what someone with character does. they own there shit rather than lying or blaming somebody else.

And I didn’t make up this character issue. I am pretty sure it is on the list of instructions for the ballot sent to the voting members of the press.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure – two people admitted it. Does that mean that they are the only ones with good character out of the 104 people who’ve been seriously implicated? Of course not – you don’t have to say shit if you don’t want to. That’s their right. And really it’s in their interest to deny or avoid the questions. I don’t blame them at all for it.

And of course you didn’t make up the character issue – I wasn’t saying that. I was saying that the HOF has already made such a farce of it, that it’s impossible to take it seriously anymore.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and pettite

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't have a problem with the steroid era guys getting in

It is going to take time though. Baseball has amends to make with the fans regarding the handling of this issue

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

there's not a set # of people

but the max you can vote for is 10.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 2, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

alomar, baines, blyleven, larkin, martinez, mcgriff, raines

and ventura as a homer

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Dec 1, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Are the votes weighted at all?

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 1, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

no

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 1, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My ballot, mailed to the HOF, though returned for reasons unknown

Robbie Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Jack Morris

I was on the fence about raines. Maybe next year.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Dec 2, 2009 1:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I like it but

No Harold Baines?

by GeoffreyA on Dec 2, 2009 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

He's got more hits than Jeter!

"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White

by duck on Dec 2, 2009 6:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

haha

That’s an awesome Onion article….

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Dec 2, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thats not possible

jeter is the greatest player EVER

by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's his intangibles that make him great.....

Did you see that game where he came up to the plate in the bottom of the 9th with two outs and won with a walk-off intangible? It was magical…..

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Dec 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you see him take an additional 5-6 steps after catching that routine foul pop up and dive face first into the stands!!! Intangibles!!

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes...

It’s easy to win a gold glove when you dive for every ball that rolls directly toward you…..slowly…..

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Dec 2, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey...

you linked to the wrong Tim Raines….

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Dec 2, 2009 8:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks :)

Fixed it

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 2, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was funny...

When the page first came up, I was like ‘wow I never knew Tim Raines was drafted by the Baltimore Orioles…’ and then more ‘huh?’ when I saw he only played like 04-06 or something. I’m voting for the Oriole Tim Raines I think. :-P

Either way, to me this batch is pretty slim pickings – I guess I’m one of those people that thinks the HOF should be elite, not just ‘really good for a couple years’.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Dec 2, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey to all you people voting for Todd Ziele

It’s not funny.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 2, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

BTW

It’s Zeile. Besides, it’s a little funny. He does hold the record for most homers by a player whose last name begins with Z – at least until Ryan Zimmerman overtakes him someday.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Dec 2, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He would break the I before E rule

jerk.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 2, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Greatest O to break the I before E rule?

Reimold is gunnin’ for him.

by daveh873 on Dec 2, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My ballot

Alomar, Blyleven, Larkin, Edgar Martinez, McGriff, McGwire, Raines, Lee Smith, Trammell. I was surprised at how soon I got to nine. If I were voting with my heart, I would’ve gone with Baines. He and Dale Murphy were tough to leave off.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Dec 2, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I can’t remember who I voted for now but Lee Smith was the first guy. And I think I threw Baines at the end.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Dec 2, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Its the Hall of Fame not Hall of Pretty Good

Stop lowering the bar.
On my ballot:
Blyleven.
Everybody else denied.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Is Fame a measure of good?

And I guess it’s also the hall of not being implicated in any steroids talk for you also…

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

please.

yes. Hall of Fame is essentially a measure of good/great.

and yes I think it has been watered down. Now that Rice got in last year, I don’t see how you can deny Parker, Dawson and Murphy. A slippery slope downwards to mediocrity.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Take a look at some of the guys who got in long before Rice and you’ll see that it’s never been the Hall of Great. It’s the Hall of Fame.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There is not a shitload of them, more famous than great. mazeroski comes to mind. ryne sandberg.

either way. the only way to grade people is against the people that are already in. so the bar is inevitably going to get lower an lower with each marginal player inducted.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh

I didn’t mean more famous than great. Just a lot of guys who don’t necessarily belong in there if you’re going with a “great” criteria.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

cough phil rizzuto cough

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Dec 2, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Stacey

Thank you for making this. I’ve been trying to figure out how to create something like this for about a year now. I’m going to be making pretty much the same thing over on SouthSide Sox. Let me know if you want our data as well when its done, for comparison’s sake.

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Dec 2, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Cool

Yeah shoot me a link when you get your final results.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 2, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sure thing

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Dec 2, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Please make me a case for or against the following:

Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Jack Morris

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Dec 2, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

though i declared otherwise above. knee jerk I voted for Jack Morris without looking at his career stats. That game seven, ten inning shutout was very powerful on an impressionable young mind. His career stats are pretty borderline but he just seemed like he was the man in charge when he was on the mound.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

more love for Jack Morris that doesn't show up in the career stat line

He led three different teams to World Series championships. He pitched a record 14 consecutive opening games. That is a serious stretch of being the staff ace, especially on championship teams.

by b_duardo on Dec 2, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

edgar martinez

case for, he dominated at the plate for years his obp hr whip rbi hr carrer stat are all great and better the some maybe already in. case against he wasn’t a every day position player

by chuckthefan on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hey!

The comma and period keys work! Still no shift key or proofreading evidently though…

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you forgot to capitalize "hey"

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Dec 2, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The funny thing is that I actually considered it.

I went back and capitalized “The,” but couldn’t decide if it was funnier to capitalize “hey” or not.

by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Attention ballot submitters

I got three ballots from users who called themselves 400, 450, and 0, and they all look pretty suspect. So if you’re one of those people, email me. Otherwise I’m tossing out those ballots.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 3, 2009 12:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Blyleven
Trammell
Alomar
McGwire

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by SC on Dec 5, 2009 3:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

defend mcgwire, prodigal son

by b_duardo on Dec 6, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no need to take a position on the steroid issue but you should omit any reference about the chase for 60 emotional saved baseball shit in your defense

by b_duardo on Dec 6, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs