Monday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2009 8:09 AM EST
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This is short and fast as I have to get to work, not to mention I cannot find anything newsworthy. It's as though everyone involved in major league baseball took the day off yesterday to watch football. Here are the few things I managed to find.
Luke Scott talks pitching
As in, he thinks they need more. He also wants to concede games against the #1 by throwing your #5 against him (interestingly, he labels Tillman as a #5).
What to do about Hernandez?
Jeff Zrebiec, believes David Hernandez belongs in the bullpen. Very insightful.
Other than that, I got nothing. That makes today a build-your-own open thread. Post some links if you got 'em!
Sarasota leader has no regrets about Cubs
"Though (County Commissioner Joe) Barbetta still believes the Cubs could be a major economic boon for any city, he said he has no regrets signing up with the Orioles and missing a chance to bring in a team with one of the most loyal fan bases in the nation. "Not at the price we got with the Orioles," Barbetta said. The Orioles agreed to a $31 million renovation of Ed Smith Stadium." So there you go. -duck
Happy Holidays from the Hunters
"Holiday Greetings everyone. " Sure, there's more from Jim Hunter, but that's about all you need to read. -duck
No closer to a decision on a closer
Roch says: "Since the Orioles don't appear to be in any hurry to sign a closer, we can debate the merits of another one that hit the market yesterday, right-hander Matt Capps, who was non-tendered by the Pittsburgh Pirates." There's nothing else to do but go through possible trade/signing targets one by one in a week like this. -duck
SPORTS BRIEFS: Montgomery's Bass a baseball free agent
"Montgomery (Ala.) native Brian Bass was not offered a contract by the Baltimore Orioles by Saturday night's deadline, making the right-handed pitcher a free agent. Bass was 5-3 with a 4.90 ERA in 48 appearances for the Orioles this year. He's a Robert E. Lee High graduate." Because everyone has a home town. For some reason, I always want to read the hometown's paper description of events in a player's career. -duck
More Beef for Tillman
The O's want the lanky pitcher to put on a few pounds this off-season to help him build his strength. Oh, and add him to the list of hunters (not that I'm especially interested in that topic anymore). -Stacey
Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse Open Thread!
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really?
I didn’t see much in that article of interest about him. I’d prefer if he were a little more ambitious in his weight gain goals. Putting on an additional 5 pounds?? That’s nothing.
I'm pretty sure
he was referencing the hunting. Unless you were intentionally ascting like you didn’t know what he was referencing to throw in a jab. Internet inflection is tough.
Yep...that's where I was going. I guess it failed.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Luke Scott
is a tactical moron if he actually believes what he says. What type of message would that send to the entire team and pitching staff in particular if we would actually schedule starters according to the other team’s rotation??
“Um, excuse me Chris, we actually don’t want you to pitch today against Sabathia. Yeah take a few days off…we will just send Hendrickson out there. Not like we were gonna win anyway.”
WTF?!
what do they pay him for?
other than playing with guns and loving jesus, i cant think of anything else he’s good for
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's pretty ridiculous
I know that Luke has become the whipping boy for a number of you on here but he’s done quite a bit for this team in the few years he’s been here. His offensive numbers last year were pretty much the best on the team, he does what is asked of him, and he’s a hell of a lot better than Jay Payton, the person he essentially replaced in 2008.
I know he’s streaky, I know he’s probably not going to be on the next great Orioles team, and I know that a lot of you take issue with his personal beliefs, but I’m so over the Luke bashing.
I wasn't a Luke basher before, but I will be now until he's off this team
“Tillman is a great talent with tremendous upside, but you’re talking about a Cy Young winner. And if you play your cards that way as a team, you’re running a Mustang up against a Porsche 911. Your Mustang is still a good car, a fast car, but it’s going to lose every race. You just don’t have the horses.”
Fuck Luke Scott. Ooooo, a Cy Young winner, oooo! How will we ever beat him? How about this, Luke, how about in games where Sabathia pitches, the Orioles just concede to save their energy for the next day? How about we fawn all over the Yankees and Red Sox every time we walk into their stadiums while we’re at it?
We beat Sabathia 10-5 on Opening Day last year, behind Jeremy Guthrie. Not that you contributed much in that game. Good thing we didn’t lay down and quit by tossing a #5 starter against him, as you’ve suggested.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
hahahahahaha
Love this:
Fuck Luke Scott. Ooooo, a Cy Young winner, oooo! How will we ever beat him? How about this, Luke, how about in games where Sabathia pitches, the Orioles just concede to save their energy for the next day? How about we fawn all over the Yankees and Red Sox every time we walk into their stadiums while we’re at it?
"How about we fawn all over the Yankees and Red Sox every time we walk into their stadiums while we’re at it?"
I suspect he’s been hanging around Gary Thorne too much.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
Fair enough to bash him for that
It’s more the “guns and Jesus” that I’m so over. And the idea that he’s totally worthless as a baseball player.
Now you're just making yourself look stupid
Luke Scott by OPS+ (just so you know, 100 is league average)
2008: 111
2009: 115
If he’s worthless, so was every position player on the team but Nolan Reimold last year. Oh, wait, Reimold was at 117 OPS+. He’s pretty close to worthless.
Seriously, dude?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
seriously dude
note that he had one month of ridiculous OPS (somewhere around 1.5). the rest of the year he was in the .700 range. not to mention he was below .700 after the all star break.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
you're wrong
Luke Scott’s WAR values according to FanGraphs over the past 4 seasons (in 2005 he only recorded 80 plate appearances so I’m ignoring that season):
2006: 3.1 WAR
2007: 2.2 WAR
2008: 2.0 WAR
2009: 1.4 WAR
As a full-time outfielder, Scott is a 2-3 win player. (If he had played all of last season in left field, posting the same defensive numbers as he had previously, he would have been worth around 2 wins).
Also, I don’t understand the outright hostility to the idea he’s proposing. In reality it would never happen, because you worry about the confidence of your young pitchers and all that, but from a statistical standpoint it makes a lot of sense. Think back to the World Series, when the Phillies trotted out Joe Blanton against C.C. Sabathia. Now, obviously, they had a good excuse for that – Cliff Lee would have been pitching on three days’ rest – but it’s not like they were crucified for the move either. Again, it won’t happen, but the idea itself has theoretical merit.
Follows up with
“In my opinion, you take your No. 5 starter and match him up against their Cy Young guys,” he said. “You want to play the odds. If you catch him on a bad day and score a ton of runs, great, but more times than not, the guy’s going to shove. Why waste your bullets when their guy has a more high-powered rifle than you do?”
Sometimes, you’ve got to concede the advantages. And the next two games give you a greater advantage to win them. You’ll be in a better position to win."
It’s all about strategy, you’ve got to play your no 5 sometime, so wheres the best spot to play him.
i get that it's about strategy
but you don’t say shit like, “it’s going to lose every race”. because that’s bullshit. and it’s a defeatist attitude. i don’t like the idea of conceding so easily.
Sabathia lost 8 games last year. I’m sure he wasn’t facing a cy young winner every time.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Right, but that wasn’t Scott’s point, as can be observed by him following up with “If you catch him on a bad day and score a ton of runs, great”
I understand taking offense
It’s less about the theory and more about Scott’s wording. “it’s going to lose every race.” Doesn’t show confidence in teammates or their ability. Even if the idea of it is interesting and could possibly work (which it can’t since you can’t match up on pitching outside of a few instances), it’s not really another player’s place to intimate that his guys aren’t up to the task.
The only real problem I have with it
is why on earth do people still believe that you can slot starting pitchers against specific other starting pitchers? Apparently the only smart guy on the field is Jeremy Guthrie, who said acquiring Kevin Millwood was not going to reduce his stress level at all.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Yeah Guthrie was right on that. Saying he just goes out and pitches every fifth day.
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Exactly
Outside of the playoffs, your rotation is already set.
And how you rank your starters is absolutely meaningless after the first week of baseball.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 14, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Too bad, because it’s honestly a good strategy. Consider a 7 game series, with each team evenly matched, and playing their pitchers in 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 order. Obviously since everything is evenly matched, The two teams have equal chances to win. Now, consider if the 2nd team chose their pitchers as follows… 4 1 2 3 4 1 2. The second team would now be favored to lose the both games against the number 1 starter, but would be favored to win all 5 of the other games. That seems like a good tradeoff to me.
And with a rotation of Millwood, Guthrie, Matusz, Bergeson, and Tillman, Tillman is definitely number 5, just hasn’t shown as much in the majors at this point. Obviously Tillman could easily move up that list.
I know that I've thought it before
Like, the time this past year when Adam Eaton was pitching against Zack Greinke, I thought (and maybe said on here, I can’t remember) that they’re going to lose to Greinke anyway so they might as well save the real pitchers to face everyone else.
It wouldn't be a bad idea
But the problem is that starters pitch every fifth or sixth day, and the off days for various teams don’t line up. Also, pitchers miss a start or come back from injury and screw up the whole schedule.
I know I've thought it before
Like, the time this past year when Adam Eaton was pitching against Zack Greinke, I thought (and maybe said on here, I can’t remember) that they’re going to lose to Greinke anyway so they might as well save the real pitchers to face everyone else.
too bad players are actually players and not statistics
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
no, you couldn't
Consider a 7 game series, with each team evenly matched, and playing their pitchers in 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 order. Obviously since everything is evenly matched,
Once you start putting names in there, there is no such thing as two evenly matched teams with perfectly comparable 1-2-3-4 starters.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
perhaps some of you are familiar with high school tennis
its a concept we like to call stacking the ladder, (and its actually not only frowned upon, but even illegal)
basically you just throw some schmoe at their #1 so you’re number 1 plays their #2, your number 2 their 3, etc, etc.
could work in high school tennis, def would not work in MLB.
see you in church luke
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Dec 14, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Its only really practical
during the playoffs, and then why on earth would you sacrifice a) a playoff game ostensibly when you’re already the underdog, and b) the opportunity to pitch your ace an extra game on short rest?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
“I agree he’s not a worthless player, but I never tire of the jesus/gun mockery. "
I find this mildly offensive.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I'm not saying you can't say that stuff, obvi
But there is a reason that a lot of blogs ban religion/politics/things of that nature. It’s personal to everyone and if you continually mock what someone believes you’re bound to end up pissing people off. Not that pissing people off is any concern of yours ;-)
I love to talk about how Luke loves Jesus, personally, but I don’t really see it as a negative, just an interesting bit of his personality.
Fair enough
But just to throw it out there – I’m not necessarily mocking his beliefs, but rather his need to talk about them constantly (and attribute his baseball skills to them…). As BP said below I’d prefer people keep their religious beliefs to themselves and I’ll admit that I have some issues with the fact that it seems like only christians get away with throwing it in people’s faces constantly and then they get all pissy whenever anybody says something about it. But all that being said, my mockery of Luke and his jesus love is mostly good-natured.
I don't think that Christians are the only ones who "get away with it"
I just think that it’s more a part of their belief system than others.
I think people with other beliefs
with the possible exception of Islam (thinking really only of Mike Tyson’s absurd interviews ending with “all praise be to Allah!” and walking away), keep it to themselves (whether it’s fear of ostracism or whatever I don’t know).
Part of Christianity
at least the evangelical denominations, is to go out and spread the word. That’s a lot why those guys are always giving it up to the Lord. I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength and all that. It’s just what they do.
isn't that the same for pretty much every religion tho?
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
certainly some of them, but not all
Judaism is very much about converting people, although it’s less of a scattershot approach.
Other religions, such as Buddhism and B’ahai (sp?), properly ask that religion come from within you and not be imposed upon you. Followers will talk about it if you approach them, but they’re not going to make the first move.
I confess to not know a lot about the Islamic approach, but obviously a fair amount of conflict in the world right now is due to Islamic fundamentalism, so they certainly don’t get a pass. Nor do fundametalists of any religion, IMHO.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Judaism is very much about converting people, although it’s less of a scattershot approach
Rephrasing that. Judaism is about converting people if you are marrying in. I don’t htink they care as much if you’re not trying to cohabitate.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Glad you corrected yourself there
The Jewish people are pretty self-sustaining. It was like that for years in the Shtetls in Eastern Europe. I don’t think a Rabbi gains any satisfaction in knowing people want to convert to their religion or not.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Well, the way I see it....
we have God and better firepower on our side, so I think we’ll be OK, BPinOK.
Yes, that was sarcasm, people. As far as you know.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
well God and firepower can't hurt anyway
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Yep
Roch also confirmed that the O’s are in on Matt Capps. Got to say that Capps is easily my favorite of the group of Valverde/Rodney/Gregg that we’re supposedly looking at.
Yeah I like the idea of Capps
It’s surprising to me that he got non-tendered, frankly. He’s still young and 2009 was his first bad year.
I think it surprised a lot of people
Particularly since Huntington said specifically that he wasn’t going to non-tender anyone twice the week before.
I’d like us to get him, but I have my doubts. If you were young, and were coming off a bad year, would you want to pitch for the Orioles in the AL East? My concern about pursuing a closer at all is that this is going to be the situation – no one is going to want to take a short-term deal, even for a lot of money, when they need to worry that their numbers for us will be too poor to get a good contract the next season.
I'm against it
there is literally one reliever I’d be interested in signing off the market: Kiko Calero. Spending actual money on relievers is something that makes almost zero sense to me at this point.
But I suppose it comes to down to what Capps (or whoever’s) price is. If it’s low enough, I can deal.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I know right!?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I like Calero too
But I’m limiting the pool to relievers the Orioles have actually expressed interest in.
yeah it all comes down to price
But there are some relievers I wouldn’t want no matter what. Capps isn’t one of them.
No. I really don’t care about the Luke bashing but this isn’t the first time you or a couple of other people have stated your dislike of people who talk about guns or Jesus without much provocation.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I’d just prefer you keep your religious beliefs, or lack thereof, to yourself.
The gun thing doesn’t really bother me b/c I could not care less what you think.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Well I'd prefer the same thing about Luke.
But if he throws it out there constantly, I don’t see why I can’t comment on it.
As far as the gun thing, if you don’t care what I think then it shouldn’t be an issue.
Luke Scott is hardly the only pro athelete...
…who talks about Jesus.
I’m not a Christian, and I’m not a religious person. But it seems to me that if athletes who are religious bother you, being a sports fan is going to be tough.
I just imagine that when he goes 0-4...
…with three strikeouts that he spends the night in a funk wondering how he offended God and call it a wash.
What really bothers me is how atrocious the spelling of so many baseball players is on Twitter. Seth McClung’s message to Brewers fans made me want to cry.
i am both christian and religious
it doesnt mean i’m going to like him more for it
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Whenever Luke talks about believing in Jesus he doesn’t do so in a manner that is mocking people who don’t. That’s a little different than your comments.
Oh I don't think that he's mocking other beliefs.
But I do think there’s a weird acceptance of it when it comes to christianity that would not exist for other beliefs.
yea there is
but you can’t fault him for being proud of it. wish there were more athletes like him because i think he’s a great person. i just dont like him as a player.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
Its perfectly ok for an athlete to be forward with his religion, and trashing them for it is a no-no, but imagine if they were openly athiest? I’m pretty sure ther would be some sort of backlash. Different strokes for different folks.
How can you be "openly atheist"
on the same level as Luke Scott et al. with their Christianity?
After every big win, in the post-game they’re saying “I just want to thank myself for succeeding in the spite of the lack of a higher power”?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew_G on Dec 14, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ahahhaah I was just about to say that
“To all those athletes who like to thank God, I don’t even believe in God and I’m awesome. Explain that!”
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The explanation-Matt Wieters
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 14, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
i think that kinda brings up the question...
are they really atheists then?
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
It was in a much more serious context
but I was very impressed when Pat Tillman’s brother said, “he’s not in heaven, he’s dead”.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
I didnt mean that
Obviously you arent going to do it the same way as a guy like Luke, but im pretty sure if it was reported that someone refused to participate in a pre or post game prayer or even go as far as to not acknowlege or have a problem with “God Bless America” being played during games, there would be backlash.
You might be right
but I certainly don’t believe that every player takes part in the pre-game prayer (if such a thing even exists), and it is unsurprisingly un-newsworthy.
But yeah, there’d probably be a backlash if it was brought to attention – but I’m not sure it’d be that much. Heck, everyone pretty much just assumes athletes are godless savages who cheat on their wives, so doubt actually admitting to being godless would change anyone’s opinion that much.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
No one really seems to mind
Chad Ochocinco selling his own brand of super-sized condoms. Or do they? It’s invisible to me if they do. He’s just seen as a crazy mofo who’s real good.
why would a guy who lost his johnson need super-sized condoms?
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
to protect against future assaults on the johnson
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
sorry it was a bad joke
but i couldnt help myself :-)
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well
there are plenty of stories of Jews being ridiculed and isolated by Christian teammates throughout the South – mostly in minor leagues.
And I don’t know about the godless savages – seems like most people are jumping to forgive a guy for whatever horrible shit he’s done if he says he’s found jesus.
I think Hank Greenberg went through a lot of that ridicule.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 14, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
really?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 14, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I read something
a year or two ago about a guy refusing to be part of team prayers and then guys doing some nasty things to him
Right
that’s sort of my point – the only people who are “allowed” to talk openly about their religion are Christians and then if anybody ever says anything about they are “attacking their religious beliefs” or whatever. If they want to throw it out there, why can’t I comment on it?
But you aren't really "commenting"
so much as repeatedly non-constructively disparaging. Not that I know what else there is that you (or whoever) would want to comment about.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
For the record
I couldn’t care less what Luke Scott, O’sFan21, or anybody else wants to declare in a public forum (or a private one) on the topic of religion.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
not being able to reply does though. sorry i’m jacking up the flow.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
To change the subject somewhat...
I’ve finally talked a group of friends into making an annual, guy’s baseball trip each summer. Besides me and one other guy the group doesn’t consist of huge baseball fans. But now that we are all out of school and can afford to make the trips it may actually happen.
Anyway, any 3-4 day trips that you guys have made that you would recommend? We thought about either starting in Denver (summer weather and low cost airfare) or maybe Milwaukee (one guys wants to go to the HD museum.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
is the goal to see cool stadiums or visit cool cities or both?
If you’re going out West I really liked SF’s stadium. Cool city too.
A stadium I like
thats not in such a cool city, would be Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati. The stadium just seems really small and cozy and the riverboat replica by the Ohio River is a nice touch.
Still, you do have to got to Cincinnati, which IMO is one of the weirdest cities in America. If you like being in places were you feel like you’ve gone back in time ten years, everybody has blonde hair, all the roads are poorly kept, and there seems to be just a weird smell anywhere you go in the city, then Cincinnati is the place for you. Otherwise, it may be a weird experience. Nice skyline though.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
i recomende
kansas city the park is very nice,also nice lil quirks others might like also fenway and pittsburgh are great especially to rock a o’s jersey
I'm checking out one of the California parks this summer.
Probably June. Hopefully going to try to see SF’s park. But Oakland would be a lot closer and probably cheaper to where I’ll be staying in LA.
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by the fix is in on Dec 14, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
this is true.
that said, southwest flies to oakland and san fran a bajillion times a day from LAX and burbank for peanuts. If you buy way in advance, you can get $29 tickets each way on some days. the coliseum is very near the oakland airport. SFO and Pac Bell park? Not so much.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
at&t park is close to halfway between Oakland International and SFO.
mileage-wise at least. don’t know much about the traffic situation around there
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
is that what it's called now?
either way, both parks are very commutable from both airports via BART (although the Oakland airport would be a faster commute in both cases). if you were just going up for the day, no need to get a car.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
ah...i have no idea what its called. i havent been there in years
forgot about BART tho. probably makes sense just to fly to oakland.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
if it's summer
Target Field, it seems to look really cool.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 14, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I want to see the parks
but I’ll have to accomodate all with little side trips and some nightlife.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
yeah
I mean SF is cool for that. Great food, cool stuff to see, and the few bars I went to there seemed pretty cool.
Although if nightlife is one of the goals I’d go to SD. Haven’t been to the stadium, but I was out there for a buddy’s wedding in September and the nightlife there is AWESOME. Great bar-hopping area. We went to about 5-6 bars and they were all great. Also great weather obviously.
cool. were you in the gaslamp dist?
we can fly to the west coast considerably cheaper than the east most of the time. So we may have to look at SD.
Considering it’s 100+ degrees here in the summer anywhere but Houston, Dallas, and Arizona is an option.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Yeah that's where we went out.
I couldn’t remember whether it was gaslamp or gaslight so I didn’t want to say it and be wrong. haha But yeah that’s a cool ass place.
I second the SF recommendation
Also, if you go to SF or LA, you’ll get twofers. Not taht I’m recomending going to LA, as I think both parks here are kinda lame, although the view from Dodger stadium is nice.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
thanks chuck…that’s on a short list as well. KC is about a 4 hour drive and i really want to see the Negro Baseball Museum.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
St. Louis seems like a cool stadium/town
although that assumption isn’t really based on much. The one guy I know from there seems to have fun when he goes home.
A friend of mine went to St. Louis this past summer
Well they went on a long trip and saw Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Chicago, and St. Louis. She loved St. Louis, both the stadium and the city. She said it was one of the best places she’s ever seen a baseball game.
SD may be on top right now
My parents have a time share over looking Gaslamp and I checked flights for end of april and we can fly out and back for under $300.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
That's pretty awesome.
So have you been out in gaslamp before?
I was pretty drunk, so take this for what it’s worth, but I thought it was the best place I’ve ever been to go out. And I went there immediately on the heels of two nights in Vegas, so I think it’s actually saying something. Also lived in NYC for 2 years in my glory days of drinking/going out, but didn’t think anything in NY compared to that. Who knows though, it could have just been one of those nights where everything vibed perfectly.
two words if you go to San Diego.
It’s a 50s-looking martini-banquette-bar with an indoor grill. You order a steak, and they bring a raw one to your table and then you go to the middle of the room and grill it yourself with your buddies. AWESOME.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I do not get that
I do not get restaurants that want you to cook your own food. I go to a restaurant so that someone much more skilled than I prepares my dinner. That is why I pay them so handsomely.
I'm wish you, Stacey
Seriously, that’s like payng a builder, and he sends over wood and a hammer and tells me to get started. And sends a bill when I get done.
I want my food prepared by someone with more expertise than me. If I didn’t, I’d just go grocery shopping and stay home.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
by duck on Dec 14, 2009 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's a vibe thing
they will cook it for you if you want them to.
there’s just something really fun about having a martini inside a lounge and flipping a big ol’ steak with others in your group. it’s totally a hoot. particularly for city folk who don’t get to barbeque that often.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
there is a place
like that in steamboat. at first it seemed really cool and then I got the bill. I mean, I did all the work and I still have to pay this outrageous bill for a steak? And I’m not even that good of a cook.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I think your last sentence is probably the reason
I man, I open up the garage door and BBQ in February when the mood hits me. If I couldn’t, this restaurant would probably sound cooler.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
I cooked pork chops last night
but one thing about our weather is tha despite never breaking 39 degrees last week, sunday was 70. but today it’s back to 25.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
where you at?
it was like 50ish down here today and supposed to be even warmer tomorrow
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
I was at a place like that in CO
The steaks were cheap and huge, you could by the ounce, so it made sense to go there. I wound up cooking other’s steaks to temp and getting a lot of free drinks. I heard it closed though.
uh oh!!!
Os interleague series in SD June 18-20!
No…it’s a nationwide system of timeshares. For example, i’m staying in one in Pagosa Springs, CO to ski Wolfcreek in January over the MLK holiday.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Luke Scott
Personally, I like Luke Scott. He hustles, and he seems to be a good teammate. I also like it when the players actually talk like fans. His concept, although not one I would adopt, is plausible. In reality, as one poster mentioned, the rotations don’t line up after the first week.
I would like to know why he is so streaky. Is there an explanation? Do other teams spot the hole in his swing? If so, he would never have another hot streak, which is not the case. Is it mechanical? Is it all in his head? Or, is the cause simply one of life’s unknowns?
And Halladay to Philadelphia
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Really?
That’s pretty great. I mean, I don’t really care for Philly, but if he’s not going to the Yankees consider me happy. I can continue to love Roy Halladay!
Also, Halladay is going to DESTROY the National League. I look forward to it. Are they still going to try to extend Cliff Lee?
What I heard
is part of getting Halladay is trading Lee. No, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me, either. But if they keep Lee, that’s just about the greatest rotation ever: Halladay, Lee, Hamels. I mean, come on – Cole Hamels is your number 3? That’s just sick.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I heard Rosenthal say something like that
But he admitted up front it was straight up speculation.
I don’t really get it either. I’d imagine they’d use the prospects from a Lee trade to get Halladay. Halladay is a better pitcher, no doubt, but a couple years older and Lee has already proven he can handle the NL hitters. Would the upgrade be THAT great to go to all this trouble?
i cant read the insiders article
but it says something about a “lee/halladay MEGA-DEAL”
ZOMG WOW
i’ll pass on that. i’d rather have lee.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Not much in the insider article that isn't on the regular internet
Saying that Lee would be going to Seattle or the Angels.
oh....anticlimactic
i just saw MEGA DEAL and got excited.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it's a years thing
Why have Lee for one year when you can have Halladay instead for 6 years (or whatever)? Except that Lee is probably a better bet over those next 6 years, and the difference in potential salaries can’t be that big, can it?
All the same, if it were me I’d just go all in for 2010 with all three pitchers and no farm system. With those guys, it’d be a good bet to work really well.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
lee to the Mariners
according to Jon Heyman: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/12/14/phillies.halladay.lee/index.html?eref=BrkNews
this is very interesting. last season the Mariners made a ton of bargain bin signings – David Aardsma was their closer, Russell Branyan at 1B, etc. etc. over the course of the season they got guys like Bill Hall, Jack Hannahan, Jack Wilson, etc.
then all of a sudden Jack Z decides to go out and spend big on Chone Figgins + now Lee in the offseason. just because a team goes bargain shopping one year doesn’t mean they’re incapable of spending money – a lesson some Orioles fans (not you guys of course) could take heed of :-)
the mariners are making a case
considering that the angels lost one of their better players and are about to lose their ace. could be interesting.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
The M's should be good
subtracting Beltre’s bad year and adding Figgins will help, and getting rid of injury-armed Bedard and installing Cliff Lee instead with help. But they still have a DH named Griffey, and not a lot of power – and they don’t have Branyan back yet. They’re really good – particularly in the rotation and on defense, but I’m not sold on them. It’s not like the Angels are taking that many hits.
And don’t forget about the Rangers. They will be Great very soon.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
And don’t forget about the Rangers
I know I won’t, they look like they might have something w/ the pitching, and thier O-fence could be unstoppable w/ Hamilton, Kinsler, Andrus, and Young.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 14, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
that and the M's will have king felix and lee at the top of their rotation
that is something i wouldnt mind having. maybe even love to have.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
oh...its hard to tell that kinda stuff on the internet.
but yea…i’m jealous. we have kevin millwood tho!!!
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
and possibly matsui to anaheim
what are they gonna do with that outfield? they’ll have matsui, abreu, and guerrero, only one of which can still play at all in the field.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
vladdy's a FA
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
yea but he can still play CF
matsui and vladdy can’t really play in the field.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
oh haha
i sorta lost the convo even before that anyways
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Came across this at the USS Mariner. Mariners have talked to the O’s about Luke Scott. Makes sense. The M’s want to make a run now. Andy has already said Luke won’t play first leaving him at DH and depressing his defensive value.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
surely not.
I know there are different people in the front office now but I can imagine an uprising from the fanbase for the simple thought of the Ms trading with the Os.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
yea if they are going to offer 5 prospects.
who do they have left in the system after we wiped them out the first time? lets make a deal!
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is a little off topoic
but whatever happened to Jeff Clement? Wasn’t he supposed to be their big catcher prospect?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I have no idea what a topoic is.
but i just got my cast off my hand and am still using one finger to type on my left. so i’m giving myself a pass. or a “solid b+” if you will.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
His knees went out....
…and he was traded to the Pirates in the Josh Wilson deal. He’s a candidate to play first for the Pirates this year.
on a related note
If the Cliff Lee goes through, the M’s farm system will be pretty barren. Not sure how much the M’s will have left to deal for Luke. If they still have Brandon Marrow, I’ll happily take him.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I know very little about these guys but here is a link to hardball times’ top 10 prospects.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Liddi would be interesting
I also wouldn’t mind going for Gabriel Noriega, a 19 year old shortstop in rookie ball. His defensive tools are off the charts and he showed good power. Far from the majors, but I’d take Noriega and a C+ arm for Luke. But I’m shortstop crazy.
It looks like Triunfel is going to move to 3B.
And we all know how good Bell is going to be.
OK, maybe I’m being a little snarky.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
first ballot HOFer duh!
get with the programmmmm
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see Luke netting a top prospect like Triunfel or Morrow
I’d be happy to have Triunfel, even though I think he’s generally overrated as a prospect. I mean, if the price was Scott, who wouldn’t be? And I’d be thrilled to get Morrow for him too, although Morrow is also overrated.
But even if they aren’t part of the Cliff Lee deal, I can’t see it for Luke Scott. If Luke Scott nets a top 50 prospect, well, management in Seattle won’t have changed much.
if only we coulda squeezed triunfel outta the bedard trade
instead of tony butler….
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
4 outta 5 ain't shabby
and there’s still time for Butler to be good.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
I just don’t see Luke netting a top prospect like Triunfel or Morrow
i don’t either but he’s the only young player on the M’s that I could name off the top of my head.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
They have a nice system...
…and a lot nicer since the 2009 draft, when they had a ton of top picks.
Mike Carp is a right-handed first baseman they got from the Mets in the JJ Putz deal. He’s not expected to mash, but he’s a decent hitter who we could use. Josh Fields was the last first round pick the Bavasi regime made – he was a senior closer who got lit up a bit in AA this past season but had a nice go of it in the AFL and throws hard. Dan Cortes is another name – he was one of the top pitching prospects in the Royals system until they soured on him due to attitude problems and dealt him to the Mariners for Yuniesky Bentancourt. Some lower rated sleepers I would be interested in are the aforementioned Gabriel Noriega and Alex Liddi and first-baseman/corner OF prospect Joe Dunigan. Tyson Gilles is also a nice prospect, but I don’t know that we’re in the market for more speedy slap hitting outfield types.
I can imagine an uprising from the fanbase for the simple thought of the Ms trading with the Os.
Bavasi is gone. I think the M’s fanbase trusts Jack Z.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
why didn't you quote the part where I mentioned a new front office? :)
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Who will they have left to trade us?
It looks like their top prospects will be in the Cliff Lee/Roy Halladay blockbuster. Over at USS Mariner, they are talking about Jose Lopez, which doesn’t make much sense at all – since when do we need a 2b?
So… Mike Carp? Josh Fields?
Rich Poythress?
He’s somewhat unknown, but is supposed to have huge power potential at 1B. Maybe we could work out a midseason swap after he plays some more.
I don’t necessarily agree with trading Scott, however, just to trade him. Even though many consider him worthless, and his streaks are hard to tolerate, he has solid power (which the O’s lack a lot of), and there is no one immediately available to replace that.
I'd be happy to get Poythress...
…for Luke, but as a 2009 draftee, Poythress can’t be traded yet. I don’t think he can even be a PTBNL until sometime in early 2010.
I can't wait to read the comments after some more people read that article.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
very true
you didnt seem like the tabloid reading type osfan21.
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
She needs to get with a real A-Rod
and I’m not talking about Andy Roddick.
Lambeau could always use some more celebrity presence. And I got no problem with Kate Hudson even if I can’t think of a movie I like that she’s in. I guess I like her mother if only for the fact she’s from Takoma Park.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
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dunno where it comes from
but it allows you to add sweet animations and sparkles and shit. freakin awesome.
by twistedlogic on Dec 15, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
does any one think
that with the recent barage of boston signing ,lackey,cameron, that ny will go getbay or holliday just to keep up with the jones so to speak,also do you think andy mcFAIL will over react and pull the trigger on a horrible trade just to try and say look fans we are doing something too.
also, i hope angelo’s is serioius about getting better and not just getting millwood blowing smoke up our ass and saying look we have a dominate #1 starter
he barely breathes in fact.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
OK, here we go...
NY is rumored to already be talking with Bay, so there’s that.
Now, on to a much more serious matter. Why on earth do you thing Andy MacPhail would “pull the trigger on a horrible trade”? What has he done to this point to elicit that reaction from you? He may just be the best thing that’s happened to Orioles baseball since the 90’s and you’re gonna trash on him? Lovely play on his name, btw. Never would have thought that one up. Also, I don’t think “angelo’s” is doing much of the work here. That’s Andy’s job.
Really, I think the thing that set me off here is this: If you are going to criticize someone’s work, maybe you could at least make your own comment look respectable by, you know, using punctuation, proper grammer, and maybe even knowing how to spell the names of the owner and president of the team you are talking about. I get it. Some fans aren’t happy without immediate gratification. However, if you write like that no one is going to take that opinion seriously.
how did you even read that?
i lost it the first time there should have been a period.
by twistedlogic on Dec 15, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
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