Friday Bird Droppings
by duck on Dec 18, 2009 7:00 AM EST
in Open Threads
259 comments
Gonzalez ready to fight for closing job
Mike Gonzalez expects to be the Orioles' full-time closer in 2010, but he's taking the same approach he has had his entire career. He's prepared to fight for it. -duck
After flurry, Orioles likely to wait awhile
On Thursday, a team official shot down a report that the Orioles are pursuing St. Louis Cardinals slugger Matt Holliday, who the club believes would be too costly to acquire, and denied that they have made a significant effort to trade for San Diego Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. -duck
Holliday Intrigue: Orioles in, and a "mystery team" arrives
The connections between the Orioles and Holliday go from his friendship with Roberts, to Baltimore’s recent signing of Holliday’s former teammate Garrett Atkins to even, as Zrebiec points out, pitching coach Rick Kranitz past life as an Oklahoma State coach and his ongoing friendship with Holliday’s father, Tom. The real connection driving this story however is this: The Orioles had reason to talk to Holliday’s agent, Scott Boras, in the past few days as they finalized the deal with reliever Mike Gonzalez. -duck
Mets, Angels, Braves, Giants, Mariners still have moves to make - Jon Heyman
More proof that Jon Heyman is not good at his job. Sure, we're biased towards the Orioles, but no mention of the team's moves at all while focusing on the Mets' pursuit of Matt Holliday. Every other media outlet is reporting the O's are in the mix, but to Heyman? We don't exist. And Adam Jones was one of the biggest busts in baseball his rookie year. Don't forget that gem, too. -duck
Look back at Bowie in 2009
Today we continue our look back at O's minor league teams from the 2009 season with a feature on Double-A Bowie of the Eastern League with comments from Baysox manager Brad Komminsk. -duck
O's on Deck: Orioles making all the right gambles
How do the Orioles reverse the slide of 12 consecutive losing seasons? Obviously, the answer isn't simple or the Orioles wouldn't be facing the question. However, the team is doing what it needs to do in order to win in the always competitive American League East. With their moves so far this offseason -- trading for Kevin Millwood and agreeing to deals with Garrett Atkins and Mike Gonzalez -- the Orioles are addressing their weaknesses heading into 2010. -duck
Garrett Atkins and Mike Gonzalez: A closer look
Snapshot looks at each player. -duck
Mets Sign Igarashi, a Reliever, in 2-Year Deal
The Mets agreed Thursday with the Japanese reliever Ryota Igarashi on a two-year, $3 million contract. The Mets want Igarashi to be the eighth-inning setup man for the All-Star closer Francisco Rodriguez. -duck
Trade to Mariners leaves Lee in ‘shock'
Cliff Lee thought he was staying in Philadelphia — for the rest of his career. -duck
Grandma got run over by a Open Thread
Walking home from our house Christmas Eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
But as for me and Grandpa, we believe.
0 recs |
259 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
Thats how I felt when I signed the papers to my house last year....
Im like…. “Sweet, you mean, Ill have this paid off in 2038!!?!?”
Score.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
and i know it’s not much consolation, but one extra principal payment a year on your mortgage will knock the years from 30 to 22.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
bi-monthly payments (of half the amount due each) also help quite a bit
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I heard that too....
I gotta get back with Wells-Fargo and get that set up.
I might as well pay half on the 15th and the other half on the 1st anyway… the money is sitting there and if it can knock off a couple years that would be sweet.
Its depressing paying like $1600/month mortgage and watching the principle decrease like $204 every month.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
If you have a good interest rate
what’s the advantage of paying it off early? I guess if you’re going to live there forever, but does anybody do that anymore?
I have a decent
rate and i still pay an extra payment a year. But it’s not like I’m doing w/o to make the payment either. the less i owe the more i can pocket and put into another house when we move.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
But
isn’t that the same as just pocketing the extra payment and putting it into another house when you move? Except you’ve already paid taxes on the extra amount that you are paying them, whereas you’ll have to pay taxes on any gains when you sell the house? No? I find this shit so confusing to think about…
but most people spend the money. in theory, if you could stash it and not spend it you’d be fine taking the cash into the next deal. you don’t have to pay takes on the gains if you put it directly into another property.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
that's true
it’s like a self-imposed strict savings device.
You don’t have to pay taxes at all on any gains if you put it directly into another property? That’s pretty awesome. Didn’t know that.
and
I may not be 100% correct but I think there is around a $200K threshold where you don’t have to pay cap gains on primary residence. So, for me, i could essentially sell my house and keep all of it w/o putting in a property.
again, i’m not 100% sure.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
you also don't have to roll into another property anymore
since 1997, as long as you’ve lived in the house 2 of the last 5 years, you can take a $250k deduction ($500k for married filing jointly).
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
it's not the same
by just pocketing it, you’d be losing on the deal. you’d have to actually invest, it at a higher interest rate than your mortgage, to come out ahead.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
true
One would hope that with rates so low right now you could get stock market returns somewhat consistent with historical trends. Not a sure thing though.
Also the tax issue makes a big difference. If you really don’t have to pay taxes on gains from a house then it totally changes the equation.
see above
however, the new rule expires in 2011….unless they extend it.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Or use it to pay cash on something that would have a higher interest rate
Like a car, or paying off your credit cards
If you have other debt, use the money to pay that down first
I don’t so I’m trying to pay off a 30 year mtg in 20 years. When I took ECON, I setup a spreadsheet that shows what the payments will be. Paying an extra $300/mo on a 250k at 6.5% mortgage means the total payments you make are only $450k, vs $575k with no extra payments. An extra $600/mo pays it off in 15 years, total payments = $400k
You’re basically earning whatever your interest rate is, so even if it’s 4% it’s better than savings, and you won’t lose it like in the stock market. You get equity faster, which gives you more flexibility if you want/need to sell/move. And it eliminates mortgage insurance faster if you don’t have 15-20% equity yet, which is just money down the drain.
Yeah I did, too
It hurts me quite a lot.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Even worse than the year, 2038,
is the projections on how much you’ll actually have paid for the house with interest factored in. That was the worst document for me to see.
Yeah.... I closed for 210K
I saw the projection was well over 400. Thats pretty gross.
My dad was the biggest penny-pincher his entire life and lived very frugally.
I remember when he bought out house about 15 years ago and walked in and
paid “cash” for it after 20 years of saving.
I could never do that….. Im too much of a spendthrift.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
same here...
i couldnt even imagine saving enough for a house…it makes my head hurt..lol
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 18, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
just curious
but what exactly does 210 get you where you are at?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Im out in Leesburg right now...
Closed about a year ago.
Bought a townhouse in a nice area – 3 bedroom, 2 full bathrooms, 2 half baths, finished basement, 1-car garage, wood floors on the middle level, high ceilings upstairs, double door entry in the master bedroom, small fenced in back yard.
It sold for 365K back in 2006, so Im just hoping to make a little money on it and sell it about 5 years from now. The market value of it has been quite stagnant to this point though.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
cool.
one good thing about being out here in the middle is we bought a 3 bed, two bath, 3 car garage on an just under one acre brand new for 175
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Haha..
Gotcha. Stuff is insane crazy priced out here.
Leesburg is actually pretty pricey because its about 30 miles from DC but its a quiet more rural type community. I like it though.
The nice thing is, after I bought in they announces they were going to expand the DC Metro out to our area in about 5 years, so I hope that gives it a nice price boost too. We’ll see…. this stuff is so unpredicatable these days.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
no doubt
we’re lucky in that we didn’t have any of the huge price swings others experienced. but we also have to wait a little longer for the appreciation and chance to turn a little profit. i love having the acre though. i’ve never grown anything in my life but my wife and i started a garden last year and we have a bunch of deer around the backyard as the 5 acres around us are still undeveloped.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
An ex-gf of mine used to stay at a place in Leesburg
It’s a ritzy bedroom community. I liked it because I got to stay there from time to time but not pay rent.
reply fail
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
my birthplace!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Leesburg.
Born at Loudon Co Memorial hospital during a weekend when my parents were visiting my grandmother. my grandma lived in this HUGE old plantation-y house on route 7 just outside of town. last time i was in the neighborhood, it was still there.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
HA! My wife works @ that hospital....
Its a great area… too quiet for my taste though. Alot of old farts getting their early bird specials and hitting the sack……errr…. on second though, you would LOVE it!
ZING!
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
zing!
I just checked Google maps, the old house is still there. Hang a sec….
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Google Earth it... that'll really take you back memory lane.
Want me to go take a clump out of their yard and mail it to you….. for nostalgia’s sake?
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
WW, do you recognize this house?
I played here every summer as a boy. Back then, all the land around it was part of the property (no developments). There was a barn behind in where that cul-de-sac is now.
Her house was the one in the upper left of this pic, jsut to the left of the tennis courts.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
LOL
I dont recognize the house by memory but Ive been to Morven park several times and have seen those tennis courts. Small world. How long did you live there?
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
oh, never lived there.
my grandmother did. but for 18 years, we were there 2x – 3x a year. Usually once a summer, and then either TG or Xmas or both.
That house was really a window into another time for me. It had separate servant stairs into the kitchen, it had a back upstairs balcony on one corner, and a huge dining room with a table that could easily seat 14 – 16 people, and had a buzzer on the floor underneath it (which is really old school). It had a study/library on the ground floor with an extra fireplace where menfolk would retire to after dinner. An amazing veranda covered with wisteria on the west end, and a closed-in sunporch/music room on the east end.
It had to have been built in the 20s or thereabouts. It was really like something out of Gatsby.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
wow
thats close to me. i pass morven park all the time
by twistedlogic on Dec 18, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
hey i'm out in potomac falls!
sleezeburg is very close
by twistedlogic on Dec 18, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
i have a feeling that today
is gunna be a good day…
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 18, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions
Off Season Progress?
AM had money to spend and a losing team with lots of young prospects but a few “holes” to fill. He traded a relief pitcher for Millwood. The man is a horse and will give the O’s some veteran innings. Good move, I think. Last season’s bullpen sucked wind after Sherrill left. So, he brought in another lefty closer. Cost the team $$ and a #2 draft choice next year. Okay move, and one that will improve the team drastically. Having a dependable closer will make a big difference. Mora is gone and Bell isn’t ready. So he spent some more $$ to hire a guy with a history of hitting for power that had a bad year. Okay. Give the guy a chance to regain his stroke while Bell plays at AAA. Lots of upside to that deal, and only $$ spent. I would say AM has done a great job so far. Steve Johnson was an unfortunate loss, but he may be back.
Now let's deal with 1B.
If Delgado is able to play 1B in winter ball and can still hit, why not? He could hold the fort there til someone younger with power comes along. I don’t think Snyder is the answer. Maybe Waring or Townsend, but not Snyder. Not enough power to play 1B in the AL East. The Orioles need to find a 1B that can help them compete with the Yankees and Red Sox down the road. Snyder, Aubrey, Hughes, Wigginton, etc. ain’t gonna cut it.
agreed
i think snyder is just being groomed for trad ebait now…am knows he wont be able to cut it in our division, hes a good hitter but 20 hr a yr just isnt gunna be enough from him
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 18, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Veteran Presence
It’s important that the O’s acquire veterans who can handle an immediate need and positively influence the younger guys. We just aren’t going to get many – if any – true impact players on the market this off-season. However, we can patch holes and add guys like Millwood who will serve an important purpose, namely eating innings and preserving both the bullpen and our younger arms. He’s not going to take us to the post-season, but he can still make important contributions as our talent matures.
Delgado is a good example of a guy who we could acquire with a short-term contract for the purpose of being a placeholder, hopefully adding a little pop to the lineup, and teaching the younger guys what it means to be a big league player. It may sound trite, but I do believe there’s something to the idea of a “culture of losing.” Gotta break the cycle and bring in guys who know how to play the game.
Just wanted to state again that I kinda like this team
I like our players… Guthrie, Jones, Roberts, Markakis, etc. The losing stinks, but it’s definitely a lot easier rooting for this team. I like MacPhail’s all moves so far. If we don’t get Holliday.. shrug.
Beating dead horse… I’m still confused about Halladay/Lee though. Lee sounds pretty upset leaving Philly.
yeah
even though we dont win..i like our players and feel great cheering for them and i feel no shame in being an orioles fan…
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 18, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Cliff Lee
The guy says he wants to test out free agency and is then shocked that the team trades him?
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions
Hey, if you want to spend the rest of your life in Philly
have your agent contact the team after this season.
Of course, you could get a place near Philly and stay in the AL too, contact A. MacPhail, Baltimore.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 18, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm wondering
if his agent wasn’t saying things that Lee didn’t tell him to say. If you heard his interviews about it he sounds honestly devastated.
Still confused also
The Lee/Halliday trade is just one of the many things that confuse me. I thought that the reason for the deal was Lee’s reluctance to sign a long term deal with Phillie. Hence the trade that netted Phillie Halliday and landed Lee in Seattle as a one year rental. Lee has now said that he wanted to stay. So, what gives.
Also, I like the Orioles 3 moves. We acquired two useful players and one rehab project (Atkins) who might pan out. All we lost was Ray and a second round pick. Given the fact that even first round picks succeed less than half of the time (the vast majority of the Orioles first round picks for the last 15 years have cratered), the loss is not too great. Also, we only committed ourselves for one year with Atkins and Milwood, and only 2 for Gonzales. So, we have not tied up our money for years to come. The 3 new players will make us a better team that will win maybe 75-80 games next year. That is progress.
HAHAHA
Dude… the popcorn line made me seriously laugh out loud.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
doesnt exist..
i once got thrown out of enviromental svcience class for my arguement of it doesnt exist…we argued for at least 20 mins (me and my teacher, until she started to back peddle and changed the terms in discussion from global warming to climate change. i called her out and she threw me out of class for the day… i win
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 18, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Big Daddy
“The game’s called ’I Win!”
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not getting into one of these fights
but i’ve always been curious… if there is even a question of it existing or not, why fight it? So we live a bit “greener” and at the very least we get a life with less polution. Maybe “global warming” won’t kill us all within the next 6 days or whatever, but why wouldn’t you want to live in a cleaner world that had less dependence on fossil fuels?
It's not the lack of helmets that's the problem
Many fixed-gear bicycles don’t have brakes. And that’s by choice of the rider. It boggles the mind.
So when my bike gets stolen
can I whip out my iphone and program it to come back? That would be awesome.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 18, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
use their legs
Fixed-gear meaning that you can’t “coast” – every turn of the rear wheel is a turn of the crank. Turn the crank and the rear wheel spins; slow the crank and the wheel slows.
there's a girl I know who swears by them as a fitness tool
And she has a very nice body, so I’ll take her word for it. She always tells people to buy one.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 18, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Most (if not all?) couriers use them
Its amazing the kind of control you can get with a fixed gear bike once you learn what you’re doing. Its the stupid hipsters who just ride them becasuse they think theyre cool that give them a bad name.
stupid little fedora?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
if my great-great-great-great-great grandchildren aren't smart enough to fix it..
then they have no right to enjoy a clean planet.
However, if they are smart enough to fix it…
Then if my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great^15th grandchildren aren’t smart enough to solve the problem of exhausted nuclear fuel in the sun causing expansion and possible consumption of our planet.. then they don’t deserve to live in it…
However, if they are smart enough to fix it….
Then if my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great^50th grandchildren aren’t smart enough to solve the laws of increasing entropy causing the inevitable dissolution of all matter as we know it.. then they don’t deserve to live in it…
However..
42.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Im stealing a line out of Os21fan's book
“Im not really sure what you’re trying to say here….”
lol. Sounded cool though…
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Im stealing a line out of Os21fan’s book
Oh, I thought you were going to call him an asshole.
I kid…
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 18, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you guys don't know what you're talking about.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
YESSSSS
Os21Fan and BIRDMAN show up inexplicably at the same time…
Cue the music “DUN, DUN, DUUUUUUUN”
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
let's get ready to rumble!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
If you truely believe it’s fiction, then money and convienence. Lots and lots of money.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
"Im not really sure what you’re trying to say here…."
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Was in response to
if there is even a question of it existing or not, why fight it? So we live a bit "greener" and at the very least we get a life with less polution.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha... I was kinda kidding.
Im sitting a few plays out today after festering everything up the past couple days. But I still like to watch (that sounded bad). lol
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
but there are plenty of little things that people can do that just make sense without costing them tons of money or being terribly inconvienient. I’m not saying everyone should go out and buy solar panels for their home.
Oh, definitely
there are som many incentives to “go green” in so many different ways, and if that suits you, great. If you completely don’t believe in global warming though, why not do a few small things just in case? Like I said, even if it isnt real, less pollution isnt really a negitive end to your actions is it? Things like taking shorter showers, using more energy efficient light bulbs, making sure to turn off lights when leaving a room, carpooling or walking sometimes, and taking MPG into consideration when buying a car dont really cost much if anything and really arent much of an hassle. Ive just never understood people that are so against the idea of there being global warming that they cant see beyongd the argument to the greater positive that could come from it.
It all makes sense once you frame the argument using money.
Creating incentives and educating the public about those incentives, as well as potential savings of being sustainable – this is how you influence public opinion. I’m glad that this is the current tactic.
But creating those incentives costs money and that money has to come from somewhere. Right now, our “greenness” already costs us more money than it saves us, being even greener costs even more money.
If the enviornment is in dire straights as many suggest, then we should easilly accept those costs; if it’s not, then there is valid reason not to.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well of course
It’s an up-front cost but a long term investment. If we can create a successful green economic sector the costs will be paid back ten fold with corporate tax revenues, job creation, exports, etc. And that doesn’t even take into account the potential national (and societal really when you consider where oil money goes often times) savings if what we produce can eliminate or decrease our purchases of foreign oil.
Really even if you don’t believe in global warming (which I personally just can’t understand, but whatever), the economic and national security arguments for creating a green economy are pretty convincing, at least to me. But you’re right, like any industry that involves R&D there is significant up-front cost.
I'm not sure how it can pay off economically long term
If as a country, we’re buying a product for something for $1 today and tommorrow that same exact product for $2, somehow/somewhere we are going to have less money; which would be the case if you think that GW is fake.
If you think it’s fact, then if we do the research now, then we can get a lead and be dominant in the market in the future.
I do agree that either way, being less dependent on foreign oil provides other benefits, but obviously right now, economically we’re better off buying foreign oil (although it would be nice to know how much that oil is really costing us when you factor in how much it costs to defend it).
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean about buying a product for $1 today and $2 tomorrow?
Is it really any different than computers? The government made massive investments in the development of computer technology (mostly for military purposes), but there’s no question at all that it’s paid off. Sure green technology isn’t as likely to be as economically successful as computers, but who knows – if we’re around long enough to actually run out of oil and the developing world continues developing and needing more energy it could be even more successful. It just seems like any investment that a society makes in it’s future – sure there’s some risk, but the upside potential is gigantic and if you believe in GW then the risk of not doing it is equally daunting.
The difference
The difference between computers and green technology is that computers ended up being a valuable product.
The point of this thread was if you were one of those people that thought that GW is fake, why not do it anyway. If you really think it’s fake (which seems silly), then Green Tech is not a valuable product in the future.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Right
but it took 75 years of development and lots of investment for computers to be a valuable product. If oil is not going to be here forever, won’t alternative energy sources be incredibly valuable? Oil is still around and plenty of companies are making money off of green tech – imagine when oil isn’t or is absurdly expensive.
I guess if you think GW is fake then the only reason to do it is to stop buying foreign oil and hope to create a thriving clean energy economy here.
If oil is a limited commodity
Why would we want to use our oil first?
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
You been drillin’ up there lately eh?
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oil is probably the least of the problems
It’s electricity that is really the issue right now with regards to the enviornment.
And what you’re talking about isn’t the value in going green, it’s the value of finding alternatives to foreign oil; which I think is important as well.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
A good amount of all the things I mention below (or above – can’t tell anymore) are related to electricity efficiency.
I was responding to your post about oil being a limited commodity, which isn’t a “green” argument. Saying that we should use less oil because one day it’ll all be gone is different than saying that we should use less because the enviornment is changing.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
But it's an argument
for spending money on R&D – so that we can fill the global need for an energy source.
I’m saying that even if GW isn’t in the picture there are reasons to “go green” regardless of the motivation.
Agreed
But there is also motivation not to.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Thats almost the exact same argument you made...
….. about running the debt through the sky these four years. I think our spending has spiraled beyond the point of out of control. At some point you gotta say, we gotta get this thing under control or our children and their children may live in the US of China…
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's a similar argument
that investing in things that make your society better is better for the long term health of said society than cutting spending to cut spending.
You’re right though. It’s just a different philosophy. Lots of economists share your view that the deficit is really bad. But lots of economists agree with me that spending less would be much worse for the future generations.
I think spending less would be worse in the short-term
I dont see how racking up trillions and trillions more in loans out of China is helping us ‘long-term’. Heaven forbid we ever have to go to war with them. (Go ahead, insert Iraq/Afghanistan comments here).
PS. Recently you mentioned our “two pointless” wars draining tons of money. Didnt your guy just approved a huge surge to send 30,000+ more troops over?
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
So you agree that spending less would be worse in the short-term?
I agree with that – spending less is a bad idea in a recession. And the way that it would help us in the long run is if we use the money to address long term costs (infrastructure, energy, health care, etc).
As for “my guy” sending more troops – I was very opposed to the Iraq war – that was the only one I said was pointless. But regardless, even in that one I don’t advocate just leaving. The incredible mistake was going there int he first place (“your guy”), but now that we’re there we have to be responsible about it.
Meh.... We probably aren't far off opinion-wise
on some of the war stuff. The spending stuff we’re miles apart. Im definitely not a proponant at all in government run healthcare but I think there needs to be way more oversight into the insurance companies running amuck. Call me heartless and calloused, but I grew up without much at all and my Dad was cheap and didnt make hardly any money and didnt have money to send me to college (or wouldnt) so I had to make my own way from scratch. Im not saying everyone should join the military but I think everyone should take up some personal responsibility in their outcomes and oftentimes people screw it up and then look for a bailout. Im just not down with that. I know there are legitimate cases where we as a society need to step in and look out for the welfare of the less fortunate but I really think most of the ‘social’ type money is junk. Creating jobs… Im all about it of course. Buuuuuut anyway…
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not a proponent of government run health care either. Hopefully I didn’t say I was. Definitely agree on the insurance oversight.
I don’t think that’s necessarily a heartless view either about personal responsibility. I sort of feel like some people in our society don’t really have the tools to be successful about personal responsibility though.
I don’t think you’re opinion is WRONG just so you know.
so you think we should get rid of medicare?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
No
I assumed he meant universal healthcare/effectively ending the private insurance industry when he said “government run healthcare.”
Thats what I meant.
Two different animals. I dont like the government running big stuff in general. Im pretty sure Im not going to see a fucking dime of the money I pay every month into Social Security.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
They do an OK job running the military I assume?
but yeah I doubt I’ll see much in the way of social security either. My fiance’s dad (who I consider pretty smart – PHD in econ) was trying to explain to me that we would (and he’s a Rep), but it went over my head. I don’t see how it’s possible.
Just curious
What about children? It’s not their lack of personal responsibility that caused them to not have health insurance.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
First off..... Im pretty sure there arent many kids
That break their arm that get refused treatment. My wife works at the hospital in Loudon and said people get seen ALL THE TIME without insurance, and that its a law that they have to? Not sure how the reimbursement works…
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
but emergency room care...
….is far less efficient and far more costly that regular care. particularly when a non-emergency case is at stake.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Sure they get treatment for emergencies
but they don’t get checkups, they don’t get flu shots, they don’t go to the dentist, they don’t get regular medical maintenance that the rest of us get. All of that leads to much worse things down the road (heart disease, diabetes, etc).
Umm....
Kids get flu shots free at school. At least the ones around here do.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's nice
But sometimes people require more than a flu shot.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
Which, by the way, is one of the reasons I’m for public health care (we already have a bad version of it).
But they probably won’t get diagnosed if they have a pain in their arm that turns out to be cancerous.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
except that if we do it right it could MAKE us lots and lots of money. But instead we’re watching our biggest creditor pull ahead in the development of clean energy…
China?
I thought they were our largest foreign creditor; and when I think of clean energy, they aren’t the first that come to my mind; but I could be off on both points.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes China.
I just saw an article (maybe Wall St. Journal) that said that China was pulling far ahead of us in the development of clean tech.
I saw one where they were expected to open something like 1 new coal plant every week over the next 10 years.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, just looked it up
Not 1 coal plant a week, but 2 coal plants a week:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/02/chinas-2030-co2/
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
What does that
have to do with also pulling ahead of us in green tech? I never said they were decreasing their carbon footprint or being more environmentally friendly. Just that they are moving much more rapidly towards having financially rewarding clean energy production.
"Nooot quiet sure what you're trying to say here"
Ok… seriously… last one… promise!
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, sure
They’re is money right now to be made in selling green technology and likely will be more money in the future. But there isn’t actual money in going green, it’s a net loss; which was kind of the point of this branch of the thread.
Like I said, if we need it, we need it and the money shouldn’t stop us; but there is a reason why we shouldn’t go green if you’re a non-believer.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
but what’s the difference between making money producing green tech and making money going green? If it’s our society that’s producing the technology and it’s our society going green, isn’t it a win/win?
Maybe I’m not understanding what you mean by going green? To me when I hear going green I think of having better windows, more efficient heating/air conditioning, better insulation, painting roofs/roads lighter colors, more efficient water movement, driving more efficient cars, etc. All of that stuff involves economic production/profit. Are you talking about like walking to work instead of driving or taking the subway? I guess that’s an economic loss.
but what’s the difference between making money producing green tech and making money going green? If it’s our society that’s producing the technology and it’s our society going green, isn’t it a win/win?
If you think there is no value in going green, then it would be a win/lose scenario. Producers would win, consumers would lose because they are paying much more for something they don’t need.
By going green, I mean actually taking action to stop global warming. Changing how we generate most of our electricity, not buring gas in our cars, dramatically changing how much carbon we release. If GW is real and dire, then small changes aren’t going to do it; we need to change everything. A CF light bulb is nice, but we will need much, much more and very quickly.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
but
if the producers are US companies employing US workers to create products that US consumers want to buy, then who is the loser?
That’s thepart I’m not following. Right now we are giving a huge chunk of our energy money to companies in other countries and generating tax revenue for them. Wouldn’t it be better if that money was being spent on US companies to support US employment and tax revenues?
Because those resources are going into something that provides no value, rather than something that has value.
Think about in on the very small scale, if you create a very small society of 10 completely isolated people; do you want 2 of them working on something that is worthless to that society, or would you rather have them doing something valuable?
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
What resources are going into something that provides no value? Do you mean diverting money away from oil and into clean tech R&D? Obviously we have to keep buying oil, but if you only buy things that have immediate value how would you ever develop any new technologies? Your society and economy would never grow – that’s the point of investment.
As far as your example – if you want the society to grow somebody would HAVE to be working on things that have potential value rather than current value. That’s how societies progress and evolve.
But if global warming is bogus
Then there is no future value to releasing less carbon.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
But even if GW is bogus
aren’t we going to run out of oil regardless? We’re still going to need alternative energy sources – whether they be green or not.
Yes
But that’s different than going green. Coal plants are where the vast majority is released (I believe). You can get rid of gas cars and still not be green. We can change from oil powered cars to coal powered if we really wanted to. That wouldn’t be going green, but it would solve the oil issue.
Of course, eventually you run out of coal too; but that’s something like 250 years based on just the coal deposits known of today in the US.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I guess that's true.
But even you don’t believe in GW wouldn’t you prefer to avoid destroying the environment? Coal plants are pretty nasty beasts even if you ignore their carbon impact.
I would
But it costs a lot of money and at some point that expenditure will affect us. There is an economic motivation not to pollute less, that’s why we still pollute as much as we do. That’s really the only argument I’ve been making.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
yeah the way it is currently
that’s certainly true. We could easily create some economic incentives to pollute less…but maybe that’s the socialist in me talking…
+10000000000
That was clever. Im done.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Followed by tomorrow's matinee on gay marriage in the DC area.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I am so staying out of politics today
Stacey’s mad enough at me.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
yeah
i skimmed but it’s friday and i’d rather talk something that requires little to no actual thought
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I think this board is evolving....
We’ve covered Clean Technology…. drilling in ANWAR…. Mortgage strategies…. Economic results of social programs…… GOSH…. opening day PLEASE get here.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know y'all are joking
And I appreciate all the friendliness in here today, but I’m going to preemptively say that this should not become a topic here the way other things have in the past few days. I will not be able to deal with it.
So the mariners want to trade brandon morrow now for a corner infielder OR DH type. any ideas? hmm…
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
we could transplant him into our bullpen. ok…that was bad.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Yes, yes it was
but it was also funny.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
no school today?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Um, yeah, that's it....
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
are you mobile commenting?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Um, yeah, that's it....
ignore the lack of “via moble” on the bottom of this…
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
well, i'm confused.
are you taking a “mental health day”?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
My students haven't noticed yet....
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
Man I'm so glad my 2 pm call got cancelled
I was supposed to have this massive spreadsheet done for it, but instead I’ve been discussing global warming. Much more enjoyable than the stupid spreadsheet.
Off topic
Arriving today in the zknower household:
So I can actually keep up with CC threads in the coming year. Woo-hoo!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
xmas coming early
or a very swank last-day-of-Hanukah gift.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Is that a ::gulp:: MAC?!!
I HAAAAAATE Macs… But all my friends swear by em so maybe Im the outcast.
Regardless, CONGRATS!
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
oh, YEAH, it's a mac, baby
i have only ever owned macs. going on 17 years now.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Same here,
and 17 years ago I was five.
Congrats, my sister has a new one and it’s lovely. Mine is going on two years old and it really works like new.
the new one is replacing the PowerbookG4 I'm typing this on....
…which is 5 years old. And replaced the original Powerbook (black rubber) before it, which was also five eyars old.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I love how we can be having an amiable chat down here
and an intense semi-disagreeable one up top at the same time.
Seriously, its hilarious. Im all like SCREW YOU, YOU’RE WRONG up top… tap Z…. get sent down here and Im like “CONGRATS on the new CPU brother!!”
HAHA
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I love my mac
But I’ve already filled my hard drive and while it runs well it doesn’t run like new (3 years old). One of these days I’ve got to clean it up.
by Gorilla Bird on Dec 18, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
i wised up for once and got the expanded hard drive our of the gate
disk space is relatively cheap. i’m also going to partition it, which i’ve never done before.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Dad brought home a Performa when I was 12
First computer we ever had and I ever had the joy of playing on.
LOL – Thinking about going back to that thing makes me want to shoot myself in the face.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
our first family computer...
…was the Apple II in 1979 or thereabouts. No disk drives. YOu had to play a tape recorder into it to load programs….
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
TRS-80 FTW
and saving programs your wrote in BASIC on cassette tape. Good times….
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
We had the TI-99
The saving programs on tapes was great, especially when you tried to record it over your brother’s KISS tape.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I really cant stand them....
Im so comfortable in Windows. I cant even do VISTA…. eff VISTA.
XP baby… I wish it never changed. Hopefully Windows 7 is decent.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
my fiance has vista and i can barely check my email on her computer. I’m just lost. Although, I was also completely lost upgrading to Office 2007. I’m just not that computer literate…
Im pretty good with the computer...
…. but yeah Office 2007/Vista/Macs…. ughhh… eff em.
Give me a Dell and XP for life and Ill be pumped.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Milton Bradley's a Mariner
I wonder why Seattle thinks they can make it work with Bradley when its gone wrong in so many other places.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
WOW
dumb move, Seattle.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
they should probably go ahead and donate morrow to us...
ok…that was the last bad joke.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
It's a cost neutral move
Since they are offloading Carlos Silva for him.
I think the Mariners made a smart move here. They get Bradley, who has tons of upside, for Silva, who has none. If Bradley causes shit, just cut him like they likely would have done Silva anyway. If Bradley pans out, you get a .900 OPS in left field/DH.
agreed
although i cant stand milton bradley. fun board games tho
by twistedlogic on Dec 18, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder why Seattle thinks they can make it work with Bradley when its gone wrong in so many other places.
Silva was a sunk cost. Two years running of sucky performance. Bradley can still contribute. If he goes nuts, which is likely, they’ll just cut him.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
btw, dude
I went to Fashion Island the other night. That shit freaked me out. Newport Beach is like an alien planet.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
cougar land!
Went to the Newport Food Festival in Sept. Cougar land with lots of plastic surgery.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
yeah, i've never seen so much fake in my life.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Gotta roll fellas
Have a great day all. I think I got at least 1 college credit today. We are evolving boys…
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions
another bird dropping
BA released their rankings of top Oriole prospects.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I love how
Brandon Waring is our top power hitter, but he’s not a top-10 prospect (sigh).
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Nothing surprising there at all
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Interesting reminder....
TOP DRAFT PICKS
OF THE DECADE
Year Player, Position 2009
2000 Beau Hale, rhp Out of baseball
2001 Chris Smith, lhp Out of baseball
2002 Adam Loewen, lhp Blue Jays
2003 Nick Markakis, of Orioles
2004 *Wade Townsend, rhp Rays
2005 Brandon Snyder, c Orioles
2006 Billy Rowell, 3b Orioles
2007 Matt Wieters, c Orioles
2008 Brian Matusz, lhp Orioles
2009 Matt Hobgood, lhp Orioles
It’s arguable that the O’s missed on 5 out of 10 1st round picks over the last 10 years, and unless Hobgood produces, you can probably make that 6 out of 10.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
no reason to rip on Hobgood yet
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
isn't that the normal
percentage of 1st rounders that stick though? 50%?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Yeah
But we’ve had early first rounders. And really, we aren’t at 50%, Snyder, Wieters, Matusz, and Hobgood haven’t worked out just yet. Probably only makes sense to look at 2000-2004, where we are only at 20%.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Or we could just look
at 2000 and 2001 and be at 0%.
And just b/c Pie hit for the cycle once doesn’t mean he’s going to reach 3000 hits in his career.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Just saying
You can’t count guys as success in your ratio until they are actually succesful at the ML level.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just dealing
with what was presented. Not picking and choosing specific bits of info to make the data fit my argument.
I also don’t think you can count them as a bust until they actually bust. I’d consider Wieters a success at this point but the other’s are premature.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I didn’t count them as busts (hence the 20% as opposed to 10%), just not counting them at all because we really don’t know. Wieters has been great so far and I’d be surprised if he didn’t work out, but after less than a year, he hasn’t worked out. Snyder hasn’t had a ML PA yet, he’s not a sucess (nor a bust). Hobgood has thrown a pitch above rookie ball yet, how do you count him as a success??? Matusz has pitched less than 50 IP at the ML level, that’s no guarantee yet. Looks good, but you don’t judge a draft pick 1.5 years after he’s drafted
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think these Open Threads are a good thing
We’re going to make sense of the crazy world that we inhabit before baseball starts again, and then we’ll watch baseball and talk about what is going on. And more crazy things will happen in the world, but we will not notice or care because we’ll be too absorbed into our baseball world.
Next winter, we’ll make sense of it all.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
SNOW! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 18, 2009 4:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Heyman and Jones
I remember Heyman’s slam on Jones on his “no-star” team story. At least he said Jones was “learning on the job”. He did have a bit of a slow start when thrown into the deep-end last year, but based on subsequent evidence, he seems to have learned pretty damn fast!
"Killing a Yankee fan -- is that illegal in this state?" -- Homicide Life on the Street
So I tried buying a pistol last week and the govment still has me on a hold. i thought 5 days was the max? The guy basically told me that they can make me wait as long as they want. What a crock. I mean, I appreciate the waiting period but look…it’s been a week already. I’m not planning on shooting anyone out of rage. And I don’t even remember if I was pissed at someone a week ago. Just let me have the damn gun. C’mon Luuuke…a little help here?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
no youtube at work
so i’ll take your word for it.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
As long as we're doing funny salesman scenes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz7Sk8mhQ7k
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
You need to call back to the dealer
We see that in MD all the time – dealers get backed up on sending in requests and blame the gov when they actually screwed up submitting the paperwork. I’d inquire with the dealer first.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
245 comments in
and somebody finally notices the typo. Thanks, fixed now.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
oh it was noticed.
i just didn’t feel like going for the low-hanging fruit.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Well why didn't YOU fix it, Mr. Mod??????
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
that's a fair question.
i think was just too lazy., it’s the offseason, for chrissakes.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
These are the facts
@THE_ADAM_JONES “I would like Adrian Gonzalez on my team cause he could bring the BEST MEXICAN FOOD IN THE WORLD to bmore”
Adam Jones wants mexican food AND Adrian Gonzalez.
He has spoken.
I want Mexican food
I mean, I’ll take Gonzalez, too, if the Padres want say, Lou Montanez, Ty Wigginton, and Chris Waters for him, I like that much better than the trades proposed on other boards.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
thank you adam jones
please note that the best mexican food in the world will be in baltimore and you’ll be on your way with chris tillman and friends to san diego.
by twistedlogic on Dec 18, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
just because retards at OH believe it will happen does not mean it will.
actually, it usually means it’s entirely untrue.
see: Brian Roberts, Mark Teixiera, any number of half-baked trade ideas, “the wow offer”, etc, etc, etc.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
well yea
but i thought it was ironic that he’d say that even though its likely he’d be discussed in any trade we’d make for gonzalez.
by twistedlogic on Dec 18, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
on the plus side
the best mexican food in the world (outside of, um, MEXICO) would also be in san diego. or somewhere on the west coast, at least. it sure as hell won’t be in baltimore, no matter who we trade for.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
south texas
is pretty good. but a lot of it is tex-mex. i love some juevos rancheros in the morning!
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Or Cincinnati
Ron White’s thoughts on the subject are
LEGEN……
wait for it……
DARY!
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Official Sponsor of Camden Chat GameThreads
SBNation.com Recent Stories
GAMETHREAD SPONSOR
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
