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Mythbusters: Would the O's be Contenders in the AL Central?

You hear it from time to time here on Camden Chat as well as various other outlets: the Orioles are victims of their division. If only they could spend some time in AL Central they'd be contenders. If not contenders, they'd at least be able to tally enough wins to avoid being an embarrassment. It actually just came up a few days ago in one of our daily open threads. I don't think anyone says it as an excuse for the team the Orioles have been for the past decade-plus. Rather it's a way to vent frustration at the idea that it'll be tougher to build a contender in the AL East than anywhere else in the league. That may be the case, but WOULD the Orioles be competitive in the AL Central? Would they have any more success? There's no way to accurately determine exactly how they'd do in the AL Central; there are just too many variables. But there are few ways to get a ballpark idea. 

The simplest way to make a comparison seems to be taking the winning percentage the Orioles had against each division and swapping the number of games played between the AL East and Central. I know the teams and number of games played in the AL West and interleague would also be modified slightly, but this is just for fun, and while math_geek might disagree, too much math just takes the fun out of things. And before the sample size police come after me, I also know that just 37 games against a division doesn't necessarily indicate how they'd do in almost twice as many games.

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Anyway, if the Orioles were in the AL Central in 2009, it'd look like this:

Division - Winning % 2009 AL East Orioles Bizarro AL Central O's
vs. AL East - .333  24-48 12-25
vs. AL Central - .459 17-20 33-39
vs. AL West - .342 12-23 12-23
vs. Interleague - .611 11-7 11-7
Record 64-98 68-94


Hm. Well that's not very encouraging. Here are the Orioles hypothetical records with the same formula applied to the Orioles in each year from 2001-2008 (2001 is the first year of unbalanced scheduling).


Actual O's record Bizarro AL Central O's record
2008 68-93 76-85
2007 69-93 68-94
2006 70-92 74-88
2005 74-88 69-93
2004 78-84 82-80
2003 71-91 72-90
2002 67-95 77-85
2001 63-98 67-94
Totals 560-734 (.433) 585-709 (.452)


Yep, still pretty embarrassing. Just a 25 game difference over 9 years. And that doesn't even factor into this fantasyland that one of the AL Central teams would probably have to go over the AL East. Otherwise there would be a 6 team AL Central and a 4 team AL East. So if in this exercise you swap the two worst teams and send the Royals over to the AL East (sorry, KC!), you'd have to take out their portion of the overall AL Central record. I won't redo the math, but from 2001-2009 the Orioles are 65-46 (.708) against KC. Yikes. 

Another common complaint, and one that I agree with whole heartedly, is the unbalanced schedule. It makes no sense to me. I don't even get the argument for it. Well, I don't know what the argument for it is but if I heard it I'm sure I wouldn't get it. The baseball season is 162 games long, there is plenty of time to play each team an equal amount. It's not football where there are only 16 games. I'm of course under no delusion that a balanced schedule would have put the Orioles in the playoffs or anything, but still. I personally think the MLB is so desperate to pimp the Red Sox vs the Yankees that it's the entire reason for going unbalanced. 

(by the way, if you're interested in the guts of the math, here's my worksheet, including what a balanced schedule might look like)

I don't think anyone would argue that it's easier to compete in the AL Central than the AL East, but the Orioles can't use that as any sort of excuse because they are just straight up awful. I think the team with the most legitimate complaint regarding the division in this decade is the Toronto Blue Jays. In the past 10 years the Blue Jays have won at least 80 games 7 times and have only finished above third place once. I'm willing to bet this sort of exercise with that team would show very different results as they've had teams with talent in the recent past. The O's have no such excuse. 

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Great post Stacey

I guess that excuse wont work anymore and we will have to show we can compete against anyone. Only if all of our games were interleague…….

by ravensfan3 on Dec 22, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

Wow.

That’s just depressing.

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Dec 22, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

I'm going to ignore all this excellent analysis

and continue telling people that we could compete in the AL Central and all 3 NL divisions. Ignorance is bliss!

by O'sFan21 on Dec 22, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

Well

not the past 10 teams, but next years maybe.

by Mr. E on Dec 22, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I like your plan.

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Dec 22, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Not even a Wild Card chance.

I thought the Wild Card was to create a playoff spot for a second place team that was really good enough to win in some other division. As it turns out, most years (go Tampa) it has simply meant that both the Red Sox and Yankees make the playoffs.

It wouldn’t be so bad with one high spending team in the division, but with two big spenders in the division AND an unbalanced schedule, it is tough to keep up. Maybe, just maybe,………… we need to spend some more $$$ too? Nah.

by fuddnelson on Dec 22, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Not too mention

the Yankees and Red Sox have won five of the last eleven WS since New York started its eleven season streak of highest payroll.

by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there's a mistake in the spreadsheet

I could be missing something, but it looks like you have the O’s down for a 13-19 record against the Central in 2004 when they finished with a 21-15 record that season. It looks like that column might’ve gotten messed up overall. The O’s record in the East was 37-39 but the spreadsheet shows 29-46. It probably doesn’t make a dramatic difference in the overall numbers, but I figure it’s worth mentioning.

by Roarfrom34 on Dec 22, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

hm weird

I’ll double check. That’s what I get for showing my work :)

by Stacey on Dec 22, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

oops

I put in Toronto’s record for that year, not Baltimore’s. I guess my eye just automatically went to last place. I’m gonna fix it now.

by Stacey on Dec 22, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Fixed

Thanks, Matt. Hey look it makes it so that the O’s would have had a winning season in 2004. Score!

by Stacey on Dec 22, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff

At the very least we can claim with some sense of certainty that the O’s would not have their current streak of consecutive losing seasons if they played in the Central.

It’s understandable that you had your eye trained on last place. Seems that with the Rays ascension we now have the basement all to ourselves. Great for a teenager living at home, not so great for a baseball franchise with a proud history.

by Roarfrom34 on Dec 22, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

the Orioles are victims of their division. If only they could spend some time in AL Central they’d be contenders.

Good grief.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Dec 22, 2009 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

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