Friday Bird Droppings
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 6:00 AM EST
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Major league baseball's best, worst farm systems | SI.com
Baseball America and SI have rated the 30 ML teams and the O's come in at the 6-15 range. Not much said about them, but at least they're not the Blue Jays. -Stacey
Trembley talks Winter Meetings - MASNsports.com
"If someone has a question on a player, he wants me to give my opinion and he lets me ask about the things we think are important like player makeup, work habits and how this guy could fit in. You spend a lot of time in that room meeting with clubs." -zk
Opening Day 4-Pack | orioles.com: Tickets
The Orioles are once again selling the Opening Day 4-pack. It's how I've gotten my OD tickets for the past few years. I know OD tickets aren't that hard to come by, but $50 gets you an upper deck seat to OD plus 3 games, and $100 gets you a lower reserve seat to OD plus 3 games. -Stacey
Hot Stove News: Phillies Ink Polanco
They signed him to a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th and will move him from 2B to 3B. -Stacey
More Hot Stove: Angels' owner not quite ready to see Lackey go - MLB News - FOX Sports on MSN
Rosenthal speculates that the Angels are now serious about trying to retain John Lackey—if only to keep the improving Mariners from signing him. -zk
Crede Flying Under The Radar Again?
FanGraphs takes a look at Joe Crede's value. His name has been mentioned as a possible 3B solution for the O's in 2010. What do you guys think? Worth it? -Stacey
For now, Jim Johnson is staying in the pen
Turns out the O's were discussing turning JJ back into a starter for 2010 but have decided against it. I'm glad about that. -Stacey
Nets Chase 1988 Orioles | For the public, by The Public
With their 18th consecutive loss to start the season, the Nets have set the NBA record, and are just 4 losses away from eclipsing the Orioles for all four major sports. Of course, the Nets only play 82 games, so 18 losses to start the year is much worse than 21 in the MLB. -Stacey
Perhaps the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove. Were these magic grits? Did you buy them from the same guy who sold Jack his Open Thread?
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Hey hey hey it's fattttt Albers.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Dec 4, 2009 6:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea...i was gonna mention the fact that he looks especially fat in the picture
by twistedlogic on Dec 4, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea…i was gonna mention the fact that he looks is especially fat in the picture
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks to Joe Crede, please.
Trying to hit off me is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks.
-Ryohei Tanaka, with AA Bowie
by Timmy L. on Dec 4, 2009 6:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The important question
that we don’t know the answer to is “what do the Orioles think Josh Bell’s timeframe is going to be?” which is a secondary question to “Are the Orioles going to insist that Bell become a strong right-handed hitter, or are they going to give up on the switch-hitting?”. Because if he’s going to be a left-handed hitting third baseman, he could conceivably be up by the beginning of June, but if he’s going to put the work in at AAA to bring his right handed swing around, it might not be until September that we see him.
That the Orioles are at least kicking the tires on basically every third base option is hardly illuminating to their Bell design.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Dec 4, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crede is not an improvement
on anything. Andino would be better. Hell, give Scot Moore another chance. But not Crede. He simply can’t hit. If the Orioles want a 3B for awhile, why not Glaus? He can hit right handed for power and play some 1B, too.
by fuddnelson on Dec 4, 2009 8:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
my dog hits better than andino
by twistedlogic on Dec 4, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying Wiggy > Crede
because, no.
Crede (and Feliz and Beltre) are all plus defenders. Mora was an averageish defender, and Wiggy is far from average with the glove. Defense is going to be important behind our young pitching staff, esp GB guys like BB and JJ.
I’m not saying they are the answer, but they would be good cheap (prob not in Beltre’s case) temporary stopgaps. I have high hopes for Bell but not so high that I think he’s going to be mashing MLB pitching in 2010.
On the other end of the spectrum, Glaus used to be able to hit, but didn’t really prove it in his rehab assignments. 33% K rate, .390 SLG in 65 PA in AAA! That said, it could be worth a flyer. Both Crede and Glaus are injury risks, so they should sign 1 year incentive deals. And if they get injured or suck, we have a backup plan for that.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 4, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bell shouldn't be the "backup plan"
Bell is our future, for good or ill, at third base (at least over the next three or four years) and unless bringing in Beltre or Crede or Feliz or whoever – in conjunction with other moves – puts the Orioles into the wild card mix in 2010, the plan ought to be to have Bell getting reps at the major league level in anticipation for him to be breaking out in 2011. Getting his experience in really shouldn’t be the backup plan to adding 3 or 4 wins.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Dec 4, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant for next year
Bell is our future, but not our immediate future.
Bringing in a FA 3B or 1B for short term gives us wins before Bell/Snyder are ready to play with the big boys. I would like more wins. If the FAs and the future players are all having successful years, trade the FAs for prospects or whatever we can get, and call up the kids. It would be a good problem to have.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm big on board the Glaus train.
Low risk, high reward kind of thing. He’s not the long-term answer, but he could pay big dividends in the short term & be handy to have around.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Dec 4, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus can't play 3rd
He doesn’t have the arm anymore.
by Dr Orpheus on Dec 4, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad the Orioles are keeping JJ in the 'pen
but TrembO’s reasoning is inane: eighth inning guys are hard to find.
Um, no they really aren’t.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Dec 4, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
in the orioles bullpen they are..
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 4, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a weakness
on the Warehouse’s fault, not on the market’s fault.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Dec 4, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I can’t decide whether I want the Nets to go 0-22 or to fall just short. There’s some bizarre badge of honor in having the worst start ever by a pro sports team in the USA. Then again, as Orioles fans, we probably all have Stockholm Syndrome.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Dec 4, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't decide
On the one hand, i’d love for that distinction to belong to someone else. However, the Nets are a good organization and this is a product of them actually trying to rebuild and being hit hard by injuries at the same time. The Nets have a future while the Knicks have nothing but a prayer that they’ll land LeBron, but the Nets are taking all the scrutiny. Lawrence Frank is a great guy and he didn’t deserve to lose his job. That team just isn’t built to win right now and I feel terrible for them.
Then again, I HATE basketball, so whatever.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the Nets have a future all right. It's just not in Jersey, and its name is Михаил Прохоров.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
um... yea
That just doesn’t even look like it should be words. Or a name. And yes, their future most definitely is not in NJ.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know that whole complex is kinda falling apart,
but are they really not moving there?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
I’m guessing you are talking about the new meadowlands complex, but there is no new arena for the Nets there. They play in the Izod center (which used to be Continental arena, which used to be Byrne arena) and they are supposed to be moving to Brooklyn, though when that happens is anybody’s guess (now its supposed to be the 2011 season).
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, i meant the brooklyn complex
buy “falling apart” i meant that it used to be designed by Gehry, and now it looks like an airplane hangar and has been scaled WAY back.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
well, yea, the design fell apart, but they are still slated to move there 2011 as far as I know
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was spacing out
I was reading “NJ” above, but thinking “Brooklyn”. my bad.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this link actually works, you'll see why Прохоров augurs well for the Nets. Note the, er, diminutive fella there
http://www.google.ru/imglanding?imgurl=http://www.peoples.ru/undertake/hard/michael_prohorov/prohorov-09092008073712r1u.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.peoples.ru/2009/02/16/33740.shtml&h=511&w=346&sz=76&tbnid=QYhiS9JVwt8ySM:&tbnh=273&tbnw=185&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%25D0%25BF%25D1%2583%25D1%2582%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%2B%25D0%25BF%25D1%2580%25D0%25BE%25D1%2585%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%2B%25D1%2584%25D0%25BE%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE&hl=ru&usg=GdjGs76972lu3bZ7vHO5mX2rP1k%3D&ei=ti8ZS7qLNDJ_gbfqdnRAw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&ved=0CAkQ9QEwAQ&q=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD+%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2+%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE&start=0
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, yeah.
didn’t work.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you meant this.....
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, you're quick!
http://tapirr.livejournal.com/1971759.html
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For orientation purposes, Putin is allegedly 5’7". Which means the Medvedev will never have a photo op with Prokhorov, ‘cause he’d look like a chipmunk.
Wait, he already looks like a chipmunk…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Putin looks like the mayor of munchkin city from the Wizard of Oz
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, honey, the Russians built a miniature president!
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/06/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5136935.shtml
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
okay, THAT is funny.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His arms move and everything!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want
the Nets to go 0-22, if 1988 really was the start of something great for the Orioles. Then we could’ve always pointed back to that team that started 0-21 and we can say after that was the turning point. I mean the “Why Not” 1989 season must’ve been fun but it would be seven more years before the Orioles did something serious.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Dec 4, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His bat was mediocre in the Phil's lineup
what does that mean for us? Oh well, I’ll always be the guy that claims he would love to see his team trot out nine plus defenders every day.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Dec 4, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Nick Markakis last night at the monument lighting
He has a giant bushy beard.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh
I just saw that OEutaw posted a fanshot of Nick’s beard.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He tries so hard to have a beard in the regular season
He was almost breaking team rules when I saw him at my local mall in September. If there is no baseball, he ain’t shaving.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 4, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
if he keeps that up he might lose his role as current O’s heart throb. Dude looks like a lumberjack/caveman.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He grows it for hunting season
Or so he told a friend of mine who spoke to him last night.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no kidding
Also, is it possible to miss the huge chaw in under his lip during games? He’s a mountain man.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
He’s from Long Island, but moved to Georgia as a kid. And not everybody from the South likes to kill shit.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not everyone, no
but this would be right up the road from where Nicky grew up.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 4, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
if you move to GA as a kid, that’s where you’re from. Maybe your family is from long island, but you are not.
I don’t have any problems with hunting. A number of people in my family hunt.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhh
I don’t know about that. I mean if you move as an infant maybe, but it’s not like he’s a born and bred southerner with family history there and shit. I think it’s different.
And that’s you.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its more of a personal choice
My niece was born in NC, but her parents both moved there from NJ, as well as her grand parents. If she grows up and identifies more with her family’s culture, she’ll be more northerner. If she identifies with her friends more, she’ll be more southern.
Its different because she won’t ever “be fron NJ”, but its the same idea.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was born in virginia,
lived in a few places, moved to GA when I was 6, left three years later for Baltimore.
I still consider myself a southerner.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know it's me
I’m just saying.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to clarify
I’m not such a fan of sport hunting, but if people are gonna eat what they hunt then what’s the difference between that and the cow I had for dinner last night that was raised just to be slaughtered?
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the cow
If its from a farm that practices humane raising and slaughtering methods, there may be a difference.
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"humane slaughtering methods"
How can anything taste good with that much ironic in it?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Dec 4, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’m not a big fan of the cow you had for dinner last night either. And I definitely prefer the folks who eat what they kill – I just don’t see how it’s fun or why anybody would want to do it. Killing things just doesn’t appeal to me.
As far as “sport” hunting, it’s hard for me to see what exactly is sporting about it when you’re hiding in a camo suit in some elevated bluff with a high powered rifle and a high power scope…
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you a vegetarian?
Just curious.
But yeah, it’s all about personal belief. I don’t think killing things is fun at all either, I’d never hunt myself.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
hunting yourself is called suicide.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh dave
you cad
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cad?
I took a class on that in HS. Boring stuff, though its 3d capability was pretty impressive.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's got hundreds of 'em I tellya!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously dont know
what a “cad” is.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
scouts honor
disclaimer: I was only a scout for a year or so.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eager young lads
and roués and cads
will offer you food and wine……..
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dictonary.com defines it as:
an ill-bred man, esp. one who behaves in a dishonorable or irresponsible way toward women
I think thats a bit extreme, Stacey. Jeez…
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I didn’t know that part about women. Sorry about that :)
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so what...
everything else was intended? Thanks alot!
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am very brutal to bacon haters
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meat is Murder
[/TheSmiths]
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Dec 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The most dangerous most dangerous game
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+2, well played
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't eat beef or pork
and buy chicken “carefully” – trying to get free range, etc.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but pork....
…pork is the other white meat.
i would not want to imagine a life without bacon.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I miss bacon.
But commercial pig farming is fucking disgusting.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
niman ranch.
humanely raised pigs. and available at TJ’s. :)
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for real?
trader joes?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Just never heard it called TJ’s. I might have to check that out. Do they not cut their tails off???
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure.
check it out:
Niman Ranch Pork Husbandry Protocols
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff
No mention of the tail clipping which is one of the more objectionable pork farming practices, but the rest seems pretty good.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a life without bacon is no life at all
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 4, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its disgusting
always looks better than it tastes. hate the smell too. i think its something called taste aversion or some psychology theory.
by twistedlogic on Dec 5, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well...
the fact that the cow was raised to be slaughtered and is readily available to purchase without personally killing it vs. the fact that the deer was alive in the wilderness and completely free of human interaction until someone came along with a rifle and shot it in the heart while it was either searching for food or running for it’s life.
And to be clear, some hunting is necessary, because of over population. Then again, they wouldnt be over populated if we didnt move in and take away all their living space, so that doesn’t really make randomly killing animals cool. Nor would I ever be okay with taking pleasure from it.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone personally kills it
I’d say that an argument could be made that it’s worse for the cow being raised to be slaughtered. You’re saying it’s better than the deer who is free its entire life? I don’t know.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the counter argument
is that the cow’s slaughter is controlled and when done right is very quick and painless. That being said, it’s often not done right or quickly.
I agree they are both objectionable from my perspective.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's more like we killed all their predators
The only thing I’d hunt is squirrels, and it would most definitely be for sport. Those little bastards chew on my car like there’s no tomorrow.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is this a case-by-case basis, or what
Doug Flutie lived in my hometown of Manchester, MD until he was six years old, but moved to Florida for the rest of his upbringing. Is he from Maryland or Florida? With athletes especially, I’d say you’re from where you went to high school.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But they ought to.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
by duck on Dec 4, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right field is so easy, a caveman can play it...
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Dec 4, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
a ha ha ha ha
would you one time just let me be myself
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, per his AB music...
he’s a country boy.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Dec 4, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not bushy
He needs to let that thing fill in. No trimming til opening day.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 4, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How much do you think Mora will sign for?
I just noticed on fangraphs (maybe I missed it posted here somewhere), that Bill James is projecting a .750 OPS/14 hrs/60 RBI from him. We’re probably not going to get a hell of lot more than that (defensively either) from any of the scrub FAs.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that's an emotional reaction, which I share in general.
But seriously, are we going to get any more value from any of the scrub free agents?
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's definitely emotional, yes
but it’s also rational. it’s not just about stats. it’s about culture of the clubhouse. Mora became a prima donna last season, and i don’t want Nolan Reimold to learn about “surprise bunting” when you decide all by yourself that “you think it will help the team to win”.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will always love Melvin
And maybe his production could be worth it, but he has no place on the Orioles anymore. He’s old culture.
My brother-in-law is convinced he’ll be an O next year. He think it’ll get close to ST, the O’s won’t have a 3B, Melvin won’t have a job, and they’ll get back together.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
defensively yes
Crede, Beltre, Glaus (if he’s healthy), and Feliz are all significantly better defenders than Mora, who at this point is probably below league average.
I don’t think Mora is going to be waiting for a job until Spring Training. if Aaron Miles can get a 2 year contract as a utility player (as he did last season), I’m sure some contending team out there will give Mora a contract offer well before April.
by ugen64 on Dec 4, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ZIPs is projecting .722 OPS (85 OPS+) from Mora. And it’s projecting 90 OPS+ from Scott Moore. I would rather give the job to Scott Moore, although I don’t think Moore will hit anywhere close to a 90 OPS+.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Dec 4, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminder, in a little over an hour on ESPN2....
or watch it LIVE ON THE WEB.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes, well, worldwide, you're in the minority
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm debating whether or not to head out to a bar to watch the draw
They’re also going to have one of the game balls to unveil, might be cool to check out
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, i guess not
I thought the draw was at 2:30, not in 15 minutes
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We got put in a really unfortunate pool
I’m pretty nervous we’re going to get group of deathed again
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unbearable commentary
don’t try to heighten the drama. just show the goddamned pingpong balls.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jesus.
now bob ley is telling us about the soweto uprising.
oh ESPN, you’re so socially aware. especially since last hour you had a guy complaining vick is being treated unfairly.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently actual draw starts closer to 12:50
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really, they could have just put it into a computer and released the list
But Fifa loves drama, and even more so, attention.
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they've taken their cue from other sports
the television coverage on various american pro sports drafts is ridonkulous
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are so many bad ways this can play out for the US
Jack Warner really needed to pull some more strings to not get us grouped with Asia and Oceania
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great dance number
has nothing to do with football, but it’s fun.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm enjoying it
I think South Africa is going to make this a pretty entertaining world cup (minus those damn horns)
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, charlize theron is da bomb
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
correction:
you’re right, she’s pretty awful.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
funny when that tiny marathon guy was standing next to her tho
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JESUS, PULL OUT THE LITTLE SOCCER BALLS ALREADY
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know this is going to take 2 hours, right?
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, yeah, yeah
i’m just kind of hoping we get pulled in the first hour.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually only took half an hour
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
David Beckham gets to pick?
As much trouble as FIFA has with conspiracy theories, is it really wise to let an active player who will be in the world cup has an effect on the draw?
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
excellent point
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they should let thierry pick some for good measure
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They werent sure he could handle it
(not my joke)
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, that's bad. ;)
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck
mexico gets lucky
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No host country since 1978 has failed to reach the second round
something with considering
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, well
mexico can go along with them
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SWEET!!!!!!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we didn't get brazil.
and i think we can compete with england.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be a tough matchup
No limits now on who we can draw from pool 3
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's great.
i was afraid it would be ivory coast
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH
We didn’t get France.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here it comes.....
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YAY
It’s not portugal
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT DRAW for us.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Slovenia did great in qualifying
but i cannot name one slovenian player
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't even realized they had qualified.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dear north korea,
you’re f*cked.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's a great draw
I think England might the worst one seed in the tourney.
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 4, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
might be
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 4, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
charlize is SO OVER this.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
theres going to be outrage if france goes to group A
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
outrage now ensues.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a super easy group, but Bob Bradley is fired if we dont advance
by kba26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a great draw
of course once again, Mexico gets a pass to the second round
by b_duardo on Dec 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees are jerks
They are sending out cease-and-desist letters to all blogs that use the word Yankees in their title.
http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=12027
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BLOG RUNNER: Hello, Sysop?
SYSOP: Yes?
BLOG RUNNER: Can you do a find and replace for our entire site? Change the word “Yankees” to “Douchebags” wherever it appears?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And to think
The few Y***** fans that read my blog got all huffy when I wrote that bitter, hateful diatribe against the team after their WS win.
Ugh. Never question the depths that the Y*****s will plumb.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Dec 4, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question....
…(I hope everyone had a nice holiday btw) – how much of Gary Matthews Jr’s contract would you be willing to take on if it brought Brandon Wood to the O’s?
The Angels are “working hard” to unload Matthews to clear salary space, and the Orioles have it to burn. Meanwhile, Wood is out of options and the Angels have Erick Aybar, Macier Izturis and Howie Kendrick to fill their middle infield spots already.
Matthews would hold negative value for the Orioles, of course – we have no need for another outfielder, much less one who isn’t worth much with the bat or the glove. But Wood can play all four infield positions and offers the possibility of elite right-handed power from the shortstop position, represents another option at third or first, and remains cost-controlled. The downsides are that he is out of options and his skill with the bat hasn’t exactly emerged in brief major league stints. Matthews is owed $23.5m over the next two years, but we could end up cutting him and eating the money, or it could free us up to deal Pie for someone.
by James F on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
matthews
:(
no thanks
I don’t know much about Brandon Wood but I would be very unhappy to see Matthews back.
by Steve. on Dec 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Wood is an Angels prospect
In 2005 he had one of the best minor league seasons in history in High-A ball. He was the #3 prospect in baseball in 2006 and the #8 prospect in baseball in 2007. He’s played primarily at shortstop but is not an elite defender at the position, despite having elite arm strength. However, he has not excelled in the majors, hitting .192/.222/.313 in 224 at bats over three seasons. But those numbers show a severe lack of regular playing time, much like Felix Pie.
I have no desire to see Sarge back either. But it would be a chance to obtain a former top ten prospect at a key position both for a contending team and in terms of organizational need. Wood will be cheap for many years, so if we took on say $10m or $15m of Matthews deal, we could simply release him and be paying the cash straight up to obtain Wood.
by James F on Dec 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm glad i can't reply to your hunting conversation
for the record, i killed 20 quail last week and have them in my freezer to eat at a later date. and what exactly is “humane slaughtering?”
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I started butchering my own fowl
and I have to say, I think that that’s significantly more moral in practice than buying pre-butchered chicken breasts. The imperative to really use the entire creature and stop wasting parts of it becomes much stronger when it resembles a living thing.
I imagine hunting is very similar for a lot of folks.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Dec 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i see tons of interaction between deer and society
they smash into cars all the time.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if we stopped building our highways all over
to connect our suburban mcmansions to their big box stores…
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you guys all have
surburban mccmansions? How can I get in on that?
I have to settle for an apartment far enough from work that it behooves me to take the highway in…
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew @ TLC on Dec 4, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
if you had applied for a loan 4-5 years ago it shouldn’t have been a problem – a migrant strawberry picker in CA was approvied for something liek $700k. Not saying you’d STILL be living in the mcmansion, but you could have lived the dream for a few years!
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've killed wild pigs for sport
if not controlled you won’t have any precious vegetables left.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm sure they would just take over the planet!
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in your corner
of the world. But in mine they can ruin 640 acres of wheat/corn/etc. in a relatively short period of time.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if you hadn't killed them they surely would have!
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
woohoo....we agree on more than hating soccer.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though
isn’t that what fences are for? It’s probably not possible for a person to know less about farming than I do, so maybe that’s a totally absurd question, but I figured I’d ask it.
That’s what I don’t get about the killing of wolves in places like alaska – if they eat the cattle and shit, why not just have fences to keep them out?
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If YOU needed food
would a puny fence stand in your way? huh?
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 4, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I couldn't stand upright and climb the fence?
Most likely.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that"s a fair question
it would take game fences and they are cost prohibitive. most farmers don’t fence land with crops like wheat, corn, etc. my parents raise whitetails (not for hunting) so I don’t deer hunt but I do know the high fences used to protect them from other predators are really expensive.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
I don’t mean for this to sound like an attack on your way of living or your family’s or anything else, but when I read that it’s cost prohibitive so you just kill them instead it makes me laugh a bit. In my head, its like saying “Well, this guy was arrested for drunk driving, but having a judge come out and putting him in jail and rehab will cost the town way too much money. Lets just kill him.”. I mean, i’m not that crazy. If I have a dog and he’s 14 and has cancer and the surgery would cost 5k, i’d put him down, but still… It’s just a bit absurd in my head to say “it costs too much to do it the right way, lets just kill them instead”.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think we're talking about the same thing...
it’s cost prohibitive for farmers to build fences around all of their property to keep hogs in particular out of their crops. if this were a requirement you would see the crop production in the southern US cut drastically. of course, i’m sure the gov’t would pass another amazing stimulus package that would save us all.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and my family doesn't farm
and we have spent the money to protect our deer but they aren’t really threatened by the hogs. i don’t understand what you mean by “doing it the right way.”
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK THE GOVERNMENR
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 4, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A human is a human
You can’t be intellectually honest and compare humans and animals the way you just did. Anthropomorphizing animals to have human feelings, thoughts, hopes, dreams, and abilities by equally comparing the death of a feral hog to that of a human being doesn’t work.
And since when is building a fence to bisect the landscape “doing it the right way?” Just take a look at this fence:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/19/AR2008041900942.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2421670420080325
It’s on a much larger scale, sure. But you don’t restrict the movement of all wildlife to deal with a single threat – that doesn’t make much sense.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not what I was getting at at all
but ok. Like I said, when he said it’s not cost effective so they kill them, thats the thought that popped into my head. I wasn’t saying thats what it was equal to. Also, how is protecting, say, a farm from predators with a fence equal to "restricting the movement of all wildlife? And how does it make less sense than taking something’s life?
by daveh873 on Dec 5, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You equated the value of the life of a wild hog to the value of the life of a human
If that’s not what you meant, fine. But that’s what you said. It’s not something I can envision someone saying with a straight face.
Re: fences: so every farmer puts up a fence, like maybe a continent-wide fence to keep out rabbits, and wilfelife migration patterns are disrupted and populations dwindle.
It’s really curious to me, who is very supportive of local, sustainable solutions for the future of this country – responsible, environmentally-conscious initiatives like community farming, animal husbandry, and local industry – that you guys are bent out of shape over measures taken to protect what could be community resources.
What’s the difference between a farmer killing a hog he finds eating his crops, and that same farmer spearheading an initiative to re-introduce the natural predators of the same hog back into the environment? In both cases, hogs will die and humans will have set the deaths into motion. In both cases, the hog is eaten.
I’m an animal lover, but the emphasis placed on the life of an animal over the lives of humans doesn’t make sense to me.
by PhilR8 on Dec 5, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, I never said...
it’s not cost effective so they kill them
thank you very much
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 5, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
I saw “I’ve killed wild pigs for sport; if not controlled you won’t have any precious vegetables left.” and then “it would take game fences and they are cost prohibitive.” and made the apparently incorrect deduction that you meant something along those lines. Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.
by daveh873 on Dec 5, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the fence thing is in response to Osfan21's
question that I thought was asking why everyone didn’t have fencing to prevent the problem.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 5, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if killing them doesn't work
and just logically it doesn’t and a fence does then what’s the issue?
Phil – Your theory that if every farmer put up a fence migration patterns would be negatively impacted I’m calling BS on. First of all, not all farmers are out there killing shit that eats their crops, so the ones that either aren’t having a problem or have found other ways of dealing with it almost definitely won’t invest in a fence. For the ones who it is a problem, so they put up a fence. The country has tons of non-farm land so I don’t think there’s going to be some giant fence spanning the continent and interupting migration patterns.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 5, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
the fencing of the American West is a huge problem. I don’t know much about it myself but my brother is studying as an environmental lawyer.
In reality there really is only a tiny fraction of open land left, and I know the fencing has seriously caused problems in the yellowstone region just outside the park. It sounds unbelievable but it’s really amazing how much we’ve changed things.
I’m with you and against you on hunting. I hate it, and I hate even more the idea of someone enjoying it. When I go out “shooting” it’s with a camera, But hunting does serve some valuable purposes and in an overall environmental scheme, hunters can actually be really strong conservationists.
by Steve. on Dec 5, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
If that’s really the case then we shouldn’t have fences, but it’s just hard for me to believe that killing 1 out of x number of animals that come in and eat crops is really doing anything to protect crops.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 5, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
Don’t let the facts stand in the way of a good argument.
by PhilR8 on Dec 5, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I acknowledged from the outset that I had no knowledge of whether a fence was practical or not. What facts am I ignoring?
by O'sFan21 on Dec 5, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You pretty much just summed it up
Thanks!
by PhilR8 on Dec 6, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not many farmers that i know worry about fencing. they just collect their insurance and gov’t check and go on. I’ve killed like 3 hogs in my life ao whatever. my response to your fence question was thast it just isn’t feasible considering the cost to the landowner.
i enjoy hunting and eat what i harvest so to the rest of you….DEAL WITH IT.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 6, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you enjoy the act of killing things I’m saying it’s weird. That’s that.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 6, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
last word.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally
killing a few out of the however many animals actually eat the crops really isn’t an effective way to protect the crops, is it? Unless you can hire a security force to stand watch over the entire perimeter of the fields, I would assume many of the wild animals (that are such a problem that you have to and are able to successfully kill some) would get in and eat the shit anyways.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 5, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hunters v. hunger…check it out. self righteous son’s of britches.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Listen
if you hunt to survive, fine. If you slaughter animals to make a living, well whatever. I eat meat too. But if you derive joy from harming or killing an animal, well, thats kinda messed up. What exactly is enjoyable about taking a living thing’s life? I’m pretty sure the guys at the slaughter house dont kill the animals for laugh or come in on their days off to get a few extra kills in for the fun of it. Its a job. Hunting for pleasure? Its pretty messed up in my opinion.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here here!
If that makes me self righteous I’ll wear that one as proudly as I ear my soccer hating badge.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't personally see the appeal.
But my understanding is that their central nervous system works a lot differently and they don’t feel nearly the pain that, say, a deer shot in the neck would. I eat fish and honestly when caught by an independent fisherman/woman it’s probably better for all parties involved. Also have no issue with catch and release.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I try not to eat too much fish, what with the whole mercury thing, but I’ll usually whip up a nice dolphin or whale steak once or twice a month. Yum.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Phil you're my fave
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a big fisherman
but if I’m not mistaken don’t most of those fish die upon release?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not unless
you hold them out of water for too long. you have to release them the correct way if they are out of water for a good amount of time. otherwise, they do just fine.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was in Cabela's in eastern PA recently
and there was a huge fish tank that contained different local fish, and most (if not all) of them had hook scars around their mouths.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the humane way to do it
is to clamp the barbs down with a pair of pliers.
by Steve. on Dec 4, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I havent fished in years
but I would probably do it again. I dont, however, kill the fish. I always release. Granted, I don’t like eating fish, but I would probably think twice about it even if I wanted to eat it. I just can’t ever be happy about killing an animal.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm leaning more and more that direction
but I find it pretty damn hard to find satisfying meals excluding poultry/seafood.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I love eating all types of animals. I just don’t like the taste of fish. I think we’ve got quite different views on animal cruelty and food, and you’d probably think some of the stuff I eat is messed up, but I think we can agree killing for fun is pretty fucked up.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well what about bugs
i just threw a log on the fire and ants came pouring out of a hole in the wood. And I admit I think there was pleasure there for me. I even provided narration to their fiery deaths.
by b_duardo on Dec 4, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is something perversely interesting about that sort of thing
Example: Drunk guys find an entire bee hive colony swarming on a swingset in their backyard. Bees that most likely had flown away from a local apiary or something. So what do they do – call some sort of expert to safely remove the colony?
See for yourself:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2243176
The results left me both giddy and appalled. Funny how that works sometimes.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Bugs can go to hell. Not that I kill ants or anything, but I love killing flies, wasps, hornets, and yellow jackets. I have one of those irrational fears of bees – when a bee starts buzzing around me I freeze up and get all flushed and scared. So of course the logical response to an irrational fear is to kill kill kill! I don’t harm honey bees/bumble bees/any sort of good bee, but wasps and the like are headed straight to hell if they get anywhere near me.
One thing I’m not afraid of is spiders – in fact, I like watching spiders. Once I was walking past the window in my room and saw a bug caught in a spider web. It was like this bigass moth that much have just gotten stuck because it was fighting for its life. So I stopped to watch and sure enough, this big-ass spider comes out of the shadows and starts wrapping the moth in sticky gooey webbing, and then eventually starts biting the shit out of it. I was rooting for the spider the entire time.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
dude…you might have some issues
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We all have our specific phobias
I also am really claustrophobic. Not to the extent that I can’t get an MRI, but caving… never gonna do it. In fact, if I had to crawl to safety through a cave shaft that was only an inch wider than my body on every side, I don’t think I could do it. I’d have a major freakout.
by PhilR8 on Dec 4, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MRI's make me pretty anxious.
And it’s fucking uncomfortable.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 5, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i had one of those tube MRIs last year
started to freak. then they gave me mirrored glasses which allowed me to see out instead of up. i could see my feet! it changed everything. perception is a freaky thing.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 5, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's neat!
I had one MRI in my life. I fell asleep.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 5, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how could you fall asleep?
the damn thing is so loud. would be pretty nice if it wasnt making noise the whole time.
by twistedlogic on Dec 5, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting
So your realtiy didn’t change at all – just your perspective and it made all the difference. The big problems I’ve had with MRIs is that the positions I’ve had to lay in to get the views they wanted (or my elbow) hurt like hell.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 5, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that reminds
me of amputees with phantom pain. i read where the docs would lay them down with a full length mirror beside them and just seeing the reflection of another limb would alleviate their pain.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 6, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a House episode
where he takes a wa vet who has had pain for years, puts his arm in a box with a mirror in it, made him clench as hard as he could, and when he relaxed the pain left. It’s tv, but the basis is real. I’m no MD, but I spent enough time in phsyological psychology classes to know that treatments like that really do work. Its cool as hell.
by daveh873 on Dec 6, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A coworker of mine has to have an MRI done soon
She did artsy stuff in college, which included welding metal sculptures. Before she gets the MRI, she has to have some sort of test performed to make sure she doesn’t have any metal particles in her eyes from when she welded. She made it seem like anyone who has ever welded has to have this test before they can receive an MRI. Having tiny metal filing ripped out of your eyeballs doesn’t sound all that nice.
by PhilR8 on Dec 6, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna lie.
I burst out laughing reading this. It’s just bizarre.
And for the record, I’m absolutely TERRIFIED of spiders. Hands down my greatest fear. They’re creepy and crawly and bloody terrifying.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Dec 4, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I’m no vegan or even a vegetarian. But the more I learn about the lives of the animals I eat before I eat them the less interested I am in eating them.
I’ll agree though that killing for fun seems fucked up to me. Just don’t see the appeal of it.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got plenty of friends that hunt (almost exclusively water fowl, but occasionally deer) for fun. However, they also eat everything they kill. I’m curious as to your stance on that. I mean, it’s not like they need to be hunting to survive, but they do eat everything. At the same time, it’s an activity they all seem to love.
I went goose hunting once on the shore. I didn’t kill anything, and being up at 5 in the freezing cold and hungover as fuck wasn’t that enjoyable for me, but the experience was a pretty good time. Hard to quantify, but it was kind of fun. I’d do it again.
Fishing, on the other hand, is awesome. Salt water, fresh water, it’s all good. I’ll eat most of what I catch, and release what I don’t.
by VB O's Guy on Dec 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me personally
I’m tentatively ok with people hunting and eating what they kill, but I just don’t understand taking joy in it or loving it. I can understand enjoying being out in nature and hanging out with buddies being fun (you can do that without killing anything though), but I find the idea of killing things to be pretty unenjoyable.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand enjoying being out in nature and hanging out with buddies being fun
So did Ned Beatty and you saw how that turned out.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ahahahah
rec’d
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I basically feel
the way O’sfan feels. If you hunt for fun, well, I just can’t understand that. I’d have a hard time getting along with anyone that sees killing animals as fun.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like people can get their enjoyment whereever they want
As long as they’re not hurting another human, or violating any animal cruelty laws.
In this thread, y’all have basically agreed that hunters play an important role in controlling overpopulation. What is the state supposed to say: “Perform your role in this suburban ecology, but HATE EVERY MINUTE of it. Sheesh, y’all killing animals.”
Some people get intense enjoyment from watching boxing or now mixed martial arts. I don’t. But I don’t care either.
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by the fix is in on Dec 4, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
But that doesn’t mean I can’t think it’s fucking strange to take pleasure from killing living things.
Boxing/martial arts are not even remotely comparable. Both parties enter into the match of their own free will, are equiped to defend themselves/inflict equal punishment, and are rewarded for their competing. What deer chooses to partake in the hunt? how are the equiped to defend themselves/inflict equal punishment? And how are they rewarded for partaking? If you want to make the population control argument fine, but get fucking serious with the boxing argument.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said the gov't shoud tell them what to do or how to feel
It isn’t illegal to get off looking at pictures of dead people either, but if someone does i’m still gonna think it’s pretty fucked up.
And yea, the boxing thing is no where close to the hunting thing.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d have a hard time getting along with anyone that sees killing animals as fun.
I don’t hunt but I don’t think it’s the killing per se hunters find fun. It’s the hunt itself. That’s where the enjoyment comes. For example, if all deers suddenly became slow and sought out hunters, hunting would cease to become fun. Then you’re just a sick fuck who likes to kill animals for the sake of killing animals.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Dec 4, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great
then hunt with paint balls. If it’s just the hunt that’s fun, why kill the animal?
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To eat it of course! Look, I’m just saying that I suspect the joy of hunting isn’t restricted to killing. Plus, I suspect hunters wouldn’t hunt with paintball because it’s unmanly.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Dec 4, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and your 'coon skin hat would have blotches on it.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I eat what I kill...or give it away.
I think some people chose to live in a fantasy world when it comes to this subject but whatever.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is it "living in a fantasy world"...
to say that I think getting joy from killing animals is messed up? I eat animals too, but I dont get excited at the thought of going to the grocery store and buying a steak, and I most certainly dont get any joy thinking about how the animal died. If you hunt to eat, fine. If you hunt to control population, whatever. But if you enjoy killing the animals, even if it’s in the process of doing one of those things, thats what I find fucked up.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i do get kind of excited buying a steak. steak tastes good.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I guess I get a little excited
but you get where I was going with that. If the only think that makes a hunter happy about killing an animal is how it will taste when his family is eating it, then more power to him or her.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think (or at least hope) that
what you are talking about is the minority. I mean, I enjoy quail hunting. It’s something I still do with my grandfather who is almost 80 now. But I don’t ride around shooting at anything that moves just to do it.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really know
none of my friends are hunters. My uncle is, but I don’t talk to him much, and I know he does it to eat and to control population and most definitely does not enjoy hurting or killing animals (he’s an eviromental bioligist in PA). I’d imagine most people who hunt take some enjoyment out of the kill, and that does bother me. The act of hunting may be enjoyable, and I get that, but people who take joy out of the actual act of killing the animal bother me to an extent. It’s just how I feel.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Moeller has signed a minor league deal with the O's.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
by Vuff on Dec 4, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, we are talkative today!
That was a lot to catch up on.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Soccer, hunting, and tiny Russians...
the staples of any good Orioles blog.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT IS ALL THIS SOCCER TALK
THIS IS AN ORIOLES BLOG, NOT A SOCCER BLOG. I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a hunting/animal cruelty blog?
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we cater to everyone, it seems
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure we cater to no one
every view point brought up on every subject is quickly chastised. Soccer, hunting, religion, Melvin Mora… if you like it, someone will tell you you’re a moron.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me I'm a moron for like bacon
I dare you!
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I was referencing you putting me down for NOT liking bacon. You know, calling me a cad and various other things.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn't call you a moron
You seem quite intelligent. Just a bit misguided in the ways of pork products.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My daughter has a shoot on next Saturday
Her rule is “Only paper. I don’t shoot at anything with a pulse.” So there you go.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
by duck on Dec 4, 2009 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
well your daughter is awesome
Seriously, I love shooting guns. My dad was a marksman in the police force and i’ve been really good with firearms since the first time I remember picking one up. I just don’t like kiling things with them.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love sporting clays. Both of my brothers were stat champion trap shooters
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...not stat champions...state.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts?
Last night Jim Bowden posted on Twitter that the O’s are closing in on Pedro Feliz as a stop-gap to Josh Bell.
I’m very sorry for bringing up a non-soccer, non-hunting topic.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Any chance it will be like a 1 year 2.5 M contract???
I’d be ok with that.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't give any details
I don’t know about $$, but I can’t imagine it’d be more than one year, right? He made $5M in 2009.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can't see a multi-year deal, either.
I’d guess we’d see something along the lines of $4-5M with a $4-5M 2011 club option (probably with a $.5M buyout). That sounds fine to me; the main thing is it being a one-year deal, and I can’t see Feliz drawing a multi-year deal anywhere.
I’m a little worried about how well he’ll hit in the AL East, since his bat is already pretty mediocre, but if he’s just a little better than Mora was last year and is significantly better with the glove, he’ll work out pretty well. It’s also worth noting that he tends to be a first-half hitter, which’ll make it that much easier to bring up Bell sometime after the All-Star break.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
by Vuff on Dec 4, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Works for me
If it is a stopgap, I’d just as soon pay for defense instead of offense.
by James F on Dec 4, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and
Moeller’s back
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-chad-moeller-1204,0,2848095.story
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Beat you to it. :D
http://www.camdenchat.com/2009/12/4/1185114/friday-bird-droppings#26551227
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
by Vuff on Dec 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops :)
Oh well. If I missed it surely someone else did too.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More Hot Stove
Looks like Figgins is close to going to the Mariners
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10471160/Sources:-Mariners-lead-race-to-sign-3B-Figgins
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If they sign him
Then I think that’d make the AL West the most competitive it’s been in years.
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
something wrong about letting free agents go to your top competitors
i hope they get lackey too
by b_duardo on Dec 4, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess this means they expect boras to refuse arbitration for beltre
seems strange that figgins would head into a situation where he doesn’t have 3b job locked down
by b_duardo on Dec 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be pretty funny if he accepted arbitration after they signed figgins
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no way Beltre accepts
But I guess even if he did, Figgins can play a lot of positions.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would he get like 12 in arb?
that’s better than he’s going to get on a per-year basis anywhere
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but he's probably looking for multi-years
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
but from his perspective, if he could sign a 1 year/$12 M contract or sign a 3 year $8 M contract, isn’t the first preferable? Let’s say he signs the one year deal and does the same or worse than he did this past year (probably pretty unlikely). He’d probably be looking at a two year deal for $6 per year or something right? That’s the same as the 3 year 24 M contract. Alternatively, if he rebounds and has a good year he could be looking at a 3-4 year $36-40 M contract after that.
by O'sFan21 on Dec 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
Boras clients don’t usually take arbitration though. Varitek turned down a large arbitration amount and ended up signing for less last year. That’s how it works with that guy.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine....
they would play Beltre at 3B, Figgins at 2B, and try to trade Jose Lopez (whose right-handed power doesn’t play very well in Safeco Park).
by ugen64 on Dec 4, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
zk accidentally posted this in yesterday's open thread
ZAUN to Brewers
One year deal, with a club option for 2011. (Sun)
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
link
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-zaun1204,0,7534354.story
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
by Stacey on Dec 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, i'm a total spaz.
left my big scoop in the wrong room.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Dec 4, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you didn't bring your Z game.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Dec 4, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sickels rankings
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/12/4/1186174/baltimore-orioles-top-20-prospects
top 5:
1) Brian Matusz: A-
2) Jake Arrieta: B+
3) Zach Britton: B+
4) Josh Bell: B
5) Brandon Erbe: B
by ugen64 on Dec 4, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I kinda like
the fact that there is a 3B in our system ranked between guys like Britton and Erbe. I really like that we got him for a reliever.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do the recent
signings of Polanco and Sctaro and imminent signing of Figgins improve the Os odds of signing Beltre or does it all depend on the asking price?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 4, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As of right now
Boras is asking 10mil/yr. It’s Boras so you know he’ll start it absurdly high, but if it’s near that i’m not sure he’s the right guy for the O’s.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but yea...
now that other teams are out of the running, maybe the price comes down.
by daveh873 on Dec 4, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there's still teams out there who might give him a long-term deal
the Twins, White Sox (if they play Teahen in OF), Angels (if they don’t want to start Wood), Cardinals, and Giants (moving Sandoval to 1B) are all contenders that need a third baseman. the Giants were always my pick for Beltre – I could see Brian Sabean giving him a Renteria-like contract.
by ugen64 on Dec 4, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
B+ for Britton!
Britton is higher than I thought.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
by birdman on Dec 4, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be higher next season
with a solid season at Double-A.
by Dr Orpheus on Dec 4, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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