Monday Bird Droppings
by duck on Dec 7, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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"We still have one piece missing, we need a bat. We need that in the middle of the lineup, a proven bat that can hit behind Markakis and ahead of whoever is fifth and sixth," said Dave Trembley to MASN's Steve Melewski. And if I was Diamond Dave, I'd be asking for the same thing. -duck
What will the Orioles do? -- baltimoresun.com
Armed with an extensive list of needs and ample payroll flexibility, the Orioles ' top decision-makers will descend on Indianapolis this week for baseball's annual winter meetings. Jeff Zrebiec's article is the umpteenth one yo've seen about the Os' needs this offsseason. -zk
This week’s meetings teem with possibilities - The Boston Globe
The Globe also thinks we need 1B and 3B help and a starter and possibly a closer. They also think the O's have the talent to trade for a stud. So, in other words, their reporters can use Google News as well as I can. -duck
Team-by-team AL winter meetings outlook
Team-by-team AL winter meetings outlook by Fox News. Learn such new revelations like the O's want a front-line starter and a corner infield help! But I swear, I feel like I've read this before...Oh,. wait. Only in every Hot Stove roundup done for the past month. That's where! -duck
Uehara willing to pitch in any role
"(Koji) Uehara told one of the Japanese reporters here that he'll do whatever the Orioles want - start, close, set-up." Roch says Uehara has been cleared to begin light tossing back in Japan. -duck
Pioneering leadership may net Hall spots
Andy MacPhail is a member of the 12-member electorate for the Executives/Pioneers ballot. He's got some interesting decisions to make besides who should play 1B and 3B until June for the Orioles in the upcoming week. -duck
Peter Schmuck is worried that Andy MacPhail won't throw red meat to the fans by making a trade during the Winter Meetings. He's worried that a trade later in the winter from a then-depleted talent pool won't be enough. I think Andy MacPhail knows a hell of a lot more about what the O's should do than Schmuck does. -duck (Or to put it another way, Schmuck once again reminds us why he's lucky someone pays him to write a column. Thank your lucky stars he doesn't work in the Orioles' front office. -zk)
Roch says: "A scout from another organization was pushing for the Orioles to dip into their surplus of pitching prospects and acquire the big bat that they need. He reminded me that it wasn't so long ago that we were hyping the likes of Matt Riley, Hayden Penn, Daniel Cabrera and Adam Loewen." Take a moment to compare the minor league accomplishments of the two sets of pitchers, and I think you'll see the value of this advice. -duck
Tides' Young named minors' top executive
"Norfolk Tides president Ken Young has been named Minor League Executive of the Year by Baseball America." Another accolade for the Orioles resurgent minor league system. -duck
Maryland Politics - Angelos confirms possible interest in Laurel, slots
A group led by Baltimore Orioles owner Peter G. Angelos is considering making a bid to buy Laurel Park racetrack with the hope of securing a slot-machine license if plans fall through to build a casino at Arundel Mills mall. -zk
I'm glad he took our presents. You can't hurt Christmas, Mr. Mayor, because it isn't about the... the gifts or the contest or the fancy lights. That's what Cindy's been trying to tell everyone... and me. I don't need anything more for Christmas than this right here: my Open Thread.
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Because the time zone difference makes my posts seem like I stay up all night...
What about a trade for Kevin Kouzmanoff? He fills the void at third, plays average defense, has some pop, and could use a chance of scenery.
Seems like he’d be perfect for the 7 hole in the line-up, unless he really hits at Camden and can be moved up, which is possible.
Check out John Sickels’ “”http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/9/5/607674/prospect-retro-kevin-kouzm" target="new">prospect retro" piece on him.
The O's don't have a void at 3B
It isn’t manned yet, but they aren’t going to bring in anyone that will block Josh Bell. He is their planned future 3B and he looks like a good one. They need someone to play an acceptable 3B til Bell is ready, hopefully sometime this summer. It would be nice if that placeholder also had some other future usefulness. Brandon Wood is a shortstop by trade that has played some 3B. He has hit at AAA, but hasn’t been given a chance in the majors, yet. The Angels also have a heavy 2 year contract with Gary Matthews they want to unload. Why not trade for Wood and Matthews then also trade Luke Scott. Wood plays 3B til Bell is ready, then takes over at SS. Reimold becomes the DH and Matthews becomes the 4th outfielder. Pie plays LF.
I'm fully aware of the Bell situation
To edit the original post: “He fills the void at third that will be filled by Josh Bell this summer…”
That said, the Angels are about to lose Chone Figgins and need Brandon Wood at third. As well, most scouts believe that Wood wouldn’t last at short because of his size and basic range issues. Sure he has pop and hit well in the minors, and would probably do well with more playing time, that’s exactly the reason they won’t trade him. Taking on Gary Matthews Jr would be a massive mistake as his contract is a beast and would represent the kind of dead weight this team has been trying to clear.
As I said in response to your original post
only if we can get Liz back and trade him straight up for Kouz.
You want Liz back?
I’m confused. You want to get Liz back, who was picked up by the Padres on waivers, so he can be traded for Kouzmanoff? Kevin Kouzmanoff whose trade value is much higher than Raddy Liz?
Umm...
Liz’s ERA was 67.50 last season.
Kouzmanoff hit 18 homers with a .255 batting average.
How are they even close? In fact, Liz has never had a season with an ERA lower than 6.72 in the majors. Did I mention his WHIP was 7.50 last season too?
Kevin Kouzmanoff > Radhames Liz
And don't get me wrong
I don’t think Kouzmanoff is great, fantastic, or far out. He’s average. He’s average with power potential from the right side and he wouldn’t cost much in the form of prospects to get him.
I’m baffled as to where you constructed this fantasy world were teams give players claimed on wavers back so they can be traded. Are there unicorns there?
I just don't think Kouz would be any good for us
but I’d be willing to give up a marginal prospect for a flyer on him.
he sucks
i’d give them some sunflower seeds and a gatorade for him.
by twistedlogic on Dec 8, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
sherill
the dodgers have him ont the trading block, and aren’t asking for much. anyone opposed to his return?"
definitely
I wouldn’t give up, say, an above average 3B prospect and a semi-decent pitching prospect for a lefty reliever. But then again who would?
by daveh873 on Dec 7, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Winter meetings
I hope the Orioles find a way to trade for a heavy hitting 1B. Free agent veteran pitchers can wait til later (Bedard, Sheets, Harden, Duscherer), but the Miguel Cabrera trade can’t. He would make such a huge difference to the Orioles linup.
The Brandon Wood/ Gary Matthews trade would be great, too. Angels would like to get rid of Matthews contract.
Problem
Are you prepared to give up what would be necessary to get Cabrera? I would like to see him at 1B in Baltimore just as much as the next guy, but damn, it is literally going to cost the farm.
"the Miguel Cabrera trade"
This makes it sound like Detriot is actively shopping him. From what I’ve read, it’s not much more than speculation. Frankly, I’d be very surprised to see anything happen with him.
DET is trying to unload payroll. They’re not trying to trade Cabrera per se but he is one trade option to cut payroll. They’re much more likely to trade Edwin Jackson to save money.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Rather than trade for Cabrera
why not sign Adam LaRoche?
by mystery tramp on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
If the O's trade for anybody
it should be uggla
by mystery tramp on Dec 7, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
because
adam laroche really isn’t any better then what we got, may be slightly better d but same as in offense. and we could get miguel for the right price not as high as many belive.
Since Huff left ...
I thought all we had at first was Cardboard Box. I missed the deal when we upgraded to Folding Lawnchair, sorry. But isn’t LaRoche better than either of those two fellers?
by mystery tramp on Dec 8, 2009 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
what do you mean it "can't" wait?
1) we’re not going to contend next season
2) Miguel Cabrera has 6 freakin years left on his deal. we’ll still be able to trade for him next year, or the year after that, or the year after that, or…
Seeing the two teams I hate most both collapse within a 30 minute span was awesome.
Also, thoughts on the bowl games?
I now have a blog: http://justanotherbaltimoresportsblog.blogspot.com/
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 7, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions
I enjoyed watching the Ravens lose that much more after reading this!
Thanks for making the game more interesting for me.
Please sign Sheets
Pleeease! I would like Atkins or Wood too. A big bat 1st baseman would be lovely, but I hope Snyder will fill that void.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 7, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions
sounds good
Sheets/Harden/Bedard + Atkins/Wood/Crede/Feliz + minor league bullpen signings = happy
Duchscherer too
He just decline arbitration. I wouldn’t mind him in an O’s uniform.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 7, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions
Apparently Pie is drawing interest. I hope the Os trade him.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I hope they don't
Who plays CF when Jones gets hurt? Fiorentino? Scott? Reimold. No. Stick Felix in LF again and make him hit like he did at the end of last season.
quick on the trigger there...
if they could “make” him hit they probably would have done that at the beginning of the season and not the end.
I don’t dislike Pie but I’m not his biggest fan either. I don’t want to see him given away.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
eh if a good deal came around then sure
there are only a few players on the team right now that i wouldnt trade if a good deal came around
there's no one I wouldn't deal
if a good deal came around, with the possible exception of Mr. Wieters. Of course the definition of “good deal” changes with the player. You wanna give me Hanley Ramirez or Pujols for Adam Jones? Deal. Thats being said, I doubt we get much for Pie at this point, so it’d have to be a really good deal.
The "make" was tongue in cheek
I think he has that potential, and I’d hate to give that up for another spare part or questionable player.
yea i know
i kept trying to get that one but it wouldnt work….thats when i realized it was spelled wrong
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
haha i know!
i’m pretty sure i was the first to get brian burres for toronto. took me a while to get alfredo simon and chris waters. names i generally try to forget…
by twistedlogic on Dec 8, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Just read about Glen Perkins and I'm intrigued
This sounds like a great trade for the Os but I wonder what it would take to get Perkins?
Thoughts?
this glen perkins
with 6-7 record. and 5.48 era, ill pass brings nothing to the team that we don’/t already have if it is a diff glen perkins my applogizes
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