Tuesday Bird Droppings
by Camden Chat on Dec 8, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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All the dish regarding the first day of the meetings.....a lot of it focusing on Millwood.
O's eye pitchers at start of meetings -- baltimoresun.com
The Orioles' focus on Day One of baseball's winter meetings was on trying to upgrade a pitching staff that has been one of the worst in baseball. Team officials met with the Texas Rangers on Monday to discuss a potential deal for veteran pitcher Kevin Millwood, and Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail also confirmed that the team is in possession of the medical records of free-agent starter Erik Bedard. -zk
Rangers' pitching depth draws interest | MLB.com: News
The Rangers usually go into the Winter Meetings looking hard for pitching. Now they have teams coming to them for pitching, especially the young guys. -zk
Ex-Chicago players popular at winter meetings - Chicago Breaking Sports
You know how MacPhail likes his Chicago guys. The Trib says he's shown an interest in Kevin Gregg and Rich Harden. -zk
MASNsports.com
Roch's Monday evening interview with Andy MacPhail. -zk
MacPhail: Bedard under consideration
Schmuck's take on the 6pm MacPhail presser. He also blogs that the Orioles' interest in Millwood is pretty serious. -zk
Los Angeles Dodgers getting rid of ace reliever George Sherrill?
"Now the word from FOXSports is that the Dodgers have Sherrill up on the trading block." Yes, Yahoo! Sports is reporting Fox Sports is reporting Sherrill might be available. MSNBC says this is because the Dodgers are broke. And I guess the next story will be ESPN with a report claiming they are breaking the news. -duck
O's to meet again with Chapman team
"The Orioles will meet with the representatives for Cuban pitcher Aroldis Chapman before leaving Indianapolis. They've had discussions with Alan Hendricks over the past few weeks in sort of a start-over process after Chapman switched agents." -duck
More names floated as signing possibilities for O's
"The Orioles maintain interest in first baseman Carlos Delgado, who is expected to begin playing in Puerto Rico later this week. And they also are keeping an open dialogue with Sam Levinson, who represents third baseman Pedro Feliz." -duck
And in other news....
The Cardinals nail down Brad Penny in a one-year deal, The Nats ink Pudge for two, the Tigers re-up with Adam Everett, and Pavano, Soriano, and Betancourt all accepted arbitration.The Orioles are one team rumored to have interest in Soriano, which makes you wonder where he would play, exactly.
If you want a whole lot more buzz, John Heyman is following a number of stories.
The Schmuck Stops Here: Herzog, Harvey headed to Cooperstown
"The Hall of Fame Veterans Committee just held a press conference to announce that long-time manager Whitey Herzog and umpire Doug Harvey will be part of the baseball Hall of Fame's class of 2010." Andy MacPhail has one of his duties out of the way for the week. -duck
Put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play....today; Look at me, I can be....Open Thread.
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Millwood rumor
They’re now saying the Rangers are interested in a second-tier pitcher in return for Kevin Millwood. Who would that be? Steve Johnson? Troy Patton? Berken? Hernandez?
They’re saying the type of pitcher will dictate how much salary the Rangers will eat.
That makes sense
i.e. Steve Johnson for Millwood and $6 million, or Berken and $3 million for Millwood.
Yes, I’m implying that the Rangers would make us pay them to take Berken. Wocka wocka.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I'd do 2nd tier.
Just so long as they consider Johnson & Berken to be 2nd tier. I still like Hernandez & Patton’s ceiling should be higher than that.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
I'd say yes to any of those guys
But they would have to pick up a decent portion of that $12M contract.
If they do get Millwood, then I’d assume Bedard is out of the question, which would depress me a bit; although that’s probably based more on emotion than logic.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 8, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think it would put the chances at remote
You have Guthrie, Tillman, Bergesen, and Matusz who I think will most likely be in the rotation on opening day. Having 6 pitchers who can start would be a nice luxury, but I don’t see it.
But who knows. Does anyone know what type of money Bedard is looking for? He seems to be a guy who’s extremely difficult to put a value on.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 8, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
In other news
Man, it’s going to be a bummer to see Pudge in a Nats uniform. Hang it up, bro.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
They’re talking about him mentoring the soon-to-be first pick of the draft. What’s his pants? Captain GED. Sir Noneedforanedcation. Wallace Couldgetinjuredandbeleftwithnothing…heimer.
Won't be left with nothing
after he signs the check for his signing bonus.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
Boy
the YES network really splooged themselves over Pudge, too. It was hysterical, with all sorts of stories of him walking in and saying ’I’m fianlly where I belong" or some egotistical garbage. Watching him fail so hard as a Yankee was one of the few pleasures of the 2008 season.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
somehow,
i had managed to forget entirely that pudge played for the MFY
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
That shows
that you are a good and generous person, sir.
I have to admit
that I am not overly interested in any of the rumored moves the O’s could be making. Kevin Millwood and other similar half-ass vet pitchers don’t seem like a good fit. Miguel Cabrera would be much too costly in prospects. Carlos Delgado would be a VERY temporary fix.
Maybe Bedard or Harden. Maybe some of the bullpen options. There just isn’t much out there that fits our needs at this point, which is making it appear that our plan is hitting a slight snag. Filling the voids in the middle of the lineup and the front of the rotation could be more difficult than originally anticipated.
Harden's likely going to Seattle from what I'm reading.
Think he’s from Seattle. Or WA in general? Whatever – those same reports have always had Bedard open to returning to BMore given his positive experience here. His injury is a question, but I’d love to have Erik Bedard back.
Plus, there’s something perversely attractive about trading 2 injury years of Bedard away for the haul we got from Seattle, only to have him return to full strength after re-signing with us. That would be something to tell the grandkids about. :-)
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
And have us get Sherrill back
for significantly less than we traded him for.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
So let me get this straight...
Say we sign Bedard and get Sherrill back for a Steve Johnson type (I dont think they’d do it for Johnson just on principle).
For 2 years of Erik Bedard and 1/2 a year of Sherrill, we’d have gotten Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, Josh Bell, Kam Mickolio, Tony Butler, and we’d get back Bedard and Sherrill? So basically 6 free players? Sounds good to me.
Good? Too good
to be true. But a nice fantasy.
I often wonder
what Bedard’s path would have been had he miraculously signed a long-term deal here in Charm City and not been shipped out west.
For those that know Erik and his semi-awkwardness, I think you may agree that the trade had a terribly negative effect on his psyche. Mental issues can often contribute to physical breakdowns…his mechanics may have been off.
Either way we will never know, but I for one like to believe that Bedard would have thrived had he remained an Oriole. It certainly would be interesting to have him back, minus the whole mystery time table of return thing.
Why do you say that?
He got traded for a monster package of prospects, to an awesome pitcher’s ballpark, for a team that supposedly had a chance to compete, in a division that’s way worse than the one he had been pitching in, and traded away from a team that never even sniffed competition with him on it? What was hard on his psyche about that? If anything that’s a gigantic ego and confidence boost.
Erik Bedard does not have mental issues
Just because he’s not warm and fuzzy he now has mental issues?
His issues are purely physical.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
Torn labrum's a torn labrum
whether you’re happy or depressed.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
what the hell?
I think you may agree that the trade had a terribly negative effect on his psyche
No. I don’t think so.
"It’s a great feeling," Erik Bedard said Friday afternoon, with a small smile.
The shy left-hander, Baltimore’s opening-day starter last season, appeared relieved after escaping the Orioles’ massive rebuilding project.
…
Now, all’s well, especially for Bedard. He is excited to be out of Baltimore.
"That’s the big thing. With Baltimore, it seemed like we were always going backward," said Bedard, who had a team-record 221 strikeouts and allowed a league-low 6.97 hits per nine innings last season.
"When I first got there it was fun, because we were signing a lot of guys and were looking forward to competing with Boston and New York. It all went downhill from there."
Where do these rose-colored glasses come from that everyone suddenly thinks Bédard was happy in Baltimore? Bédard isn’t really happy anywhere.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Interesting comments from Easy E. He hated Seattle too. I read he pretty much ditched his team and hung out in the O’s clubhouse during O’s/M’s games. At least during the first season, maybe he perked up to Seattle during his second season.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Look when you take someone who isn’t very socially adaptable and remove them from their element, it is going to have a negative effect on them. Regardless of what Erik said after the trade, I tend to believe that he truly never felt comfortable in Seattle.
These feelings could create a mountain of pressure to perform, thus possibly throwing off his mental approach to the game…thus possibly forcing him to try to over-perform and get hurt. Bedard was lying in zknower’s comments, he wasn’t happy to be out of Baltimore and into unfamiliar setting. O’sFan21’s comment would support my idea of the mountain of pressure.
It was just a thought, damn.
Millwood
I can’t say I’m thrilled. The team will be definitely upgraded, though: Millwood should be worth 2.5-3 WARP compared to Rich Hill and Jason Berken combining in 2009 for 1.1 WARP, but in a vacuum Millwood gives the O’s a few extra wins in 2010 and probably a draft pick and keeps someone like Jake Arrieta from getting major league experience. If the Orioles sign Sheets or Harden or Bedard the problem is compounded. And then they walk in 2011, and we’re left without the extra wins for any longer than this year, when the stars have to align to compete for the wild card.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Is anyone's gmail down?
The google apps dashboard is saying everything is fine but I can’t get in. :(
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
mine is fine
although Google Sync (push email to phone) has been really slow today. Delivering emails an hour late and all that.
my cubemate can't get in either
all other internet works. Annoying.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
Mine is good
But I did just get a reminder email from my ical that was supposedly sent 17 hours ago.
by Gorilla Bird on Dec 8, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone have google wave? WTF is this thing? I see no advantages.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I've used it a few times
It’s like google docs, gchat, and gmail all rolled into one. Last week, when the Seattle/Tacoma cop killer was on the loose, Gizmodo was somewhat crassly touting the situation as “”http://gizmodo.com/5415608/first-made+for+google-manhunt-in-progress-updating-live" >the first made-for-Google manhunt." So I logged on and checked out the wave they were talking about – one created by the Seattle Times and open to everyone. There were about 400 users logged in and everything was running slow. as. fuck.
So at the moment, I’m with you. I don’t get it. It’s a little confusing to navigate, sluggish when populated by merely hundreds of users. I’ve sent invites to all of my friends and they all log in once and say “What’s the big deal?” It’s like a wiki, but made needlessly complex.
I've been messing around with it
I guess it has potential but it’s not that great.
Birdman, if you want to give it a look-see, send me an email. I’ll get you an invite.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
I'm not that impressed
I haven’t found a use for it yet, but that might be just because I don’t have much of a need to “collaborate” with anyone.
I've used zoho in the past
Zoho is just a basic wiki-type collaboration service, but compared to Google Wave, I think it’s a lot easier to use and more valuable as a collaboration tool. But hey, Wave is in “preview” mode, so who knows how it will evolve.
thanks! but i got invite though.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
twitter does almost the same thing but more efficiently.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
A's Minor League Pitcher Comments on 2010 Orioles
from: http://shawnhaviland.blogspot.com/2009/12/consistency-in-starting-rotationwins.html
“I think Baltimore is going to make a jump into contention for the Wild Card next year. To be clear I don’t see them winning the Wild Card just contending until the last week of August. Think about the line up they are going to have Wieters, Wigginton, Roberts, Izturis, mystery 3rd of 1st
basemen (I’m guessing Beltre), Reimold, Jones, Markakis and Scott. That line up is going to be a bear to handle. If they can get any kind of consistency from the starting rotation and a return to form from Jeremy Guthrie the Orioles are going to be a lot better. Unfortunately it is not going to matter because they play in the same division as the Red Sox and Yankees.”
We could have said that last year too.
Except the Beltre part. We had Aubrey Huff last year also, coming off of a 32 home run season, reason to be optimistic.
I think if the Orioles win 75 games, I’d be a lot more optimistic for 2011.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 8, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
mmm, orange koolaid
I was gonna say, “that dude writes pretty well for minor league ballplayer (nothing against minor league ballplayers)”
then I clicked on the link and saw the Harvard logo
"Ivy League to MLB"?
What a douchebag. Try to make the Harvard logo a little bigger; we can’t quite see it.
Seriously, why would that be relevant?
Also, shouldn’t it be, “Ivy League to MiLB”?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I actually think the prediction is somewhat amusing. They are going to be in contention for the WC, but they won’t win it. They will fall out of contention somewhere during the very the last week in August.
What in December would make you come up with a prediction that exact? What do you see right now that would make anyone think the Orioles are going to be decent from April through August 23rd or so, but then are going to struggle that next week.
I’m probably being hyper-critical.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 8, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to sign him.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
A blurb on the O's from Baseball Prospectus
The Orioles are trying to trade for Rangers right-hander Kevin Millwood to serve as an anchor to a young starting rotation and are offering outfielder Felix Pie.
If the Orioles trade Felix Pie for Kevin Millwood, y’all will be witnesses to a freak out by me the likes of which have never before been seen at Camden Chat.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
Kevin Millwood
his numbers are better than what I thought they’d be. But my goodness if we give up Pie for him? :(
I would also be very upset
Felix Pie can do it! He claps his hands and he hits for the cycle and he makes baffling mistakes.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 8, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Word is...
Rangers are looking for a second tier pitching prospect in return. The more I look at this the more I like it. If we give up a Hernandez/Berken/Patton for Millwood, who will be playing in a contract year, he could bring back significantly more at the deadline then we would be giving up now. That of course is dependent on whether the O’s are competitive this year or not. Hey I mean I can dream right?
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Heyman has posted a possible trade on Twitter
Three way between Yankees, D-Backs, and Tigers.
Tigers get: Max Scherzer, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, and Daniel Schlereth
D-Backs get: Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy
Yankees get: Curtis Granderson
Curtis Granderson is one of my favorite players. That’d kill me. And if he AND Halladay end up Yankees? I can’t even think about it.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
this will make you feel better.
Is Bedard trade now the worst in Mariners’ history?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
barf
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
Sure
I file that under ‘Strasburg demands $50M’…iow, someone else put it out as a theoretical possibility, and it turned into a supposed demand.
If he does ask for $20M
Then the Giants should be thrilled; they’ll easilly win that case.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 8, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Unless they offer something ridiculous like $4M
Shit, look what they’re paying Zito. Any agent worth his salt can show that Lincecum >> Zito.
But that's not a relevant case
I believe Super-2’s are comapred to players with the same amount of service time or one additional service year. Zito should be irrelevant.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 8, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
That went out the the window when Lincecum won his second Cy Young
[Arbitration rules] “shall not limit the ability of a player or his representative, because of special accomplishment, to argue the equal relevance of salaries of Players without regard to service, and the arbitration panel shall give whatever weight to such argument as is deemed appropriate.”
Frankly
I think that’s an awful lot for the Yankees to give up for just Curtis Granderson
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I sort of agree
but it is the Yankees.
And, it IS Jon Heyman, so who the hell knows.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
I completelt agree
in fact, I hope it happens. Austin Jackson might be nearly as good as Granderson is now in a couple years. If they wanna give up Coke and Kennedy as well, then go for it.
I mean, I'm not thrilled
I never wanted to hate you, Curtis Granderson, but now I’m sure I’ll be exposed to all sorts of vapid and disgusting stories about how great you are only now that you are a Yankee, so fuck you and your descendants.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
It still sucks
Granderson is such a class act. Why do the Yankees keep doing this to people, to fans? (No, I know why. Rhetorical question.)
Uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Not anymore
he automatically becomes a dirtbag as soon as he dons the pinstripes. It’s scientific fact.
I feel like I might cry
I love Curtis Granderson. I was just in a meeting at work and got into it with a Yankee fan a little bit. Shove off, Yankee fan.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
my impression
the deal is good for the Yankees, good for the Tigers, awful for Arizona
Max Scherzer actually had a lower FIP than Jackson last year, by about .050 points. He’s younger, under club control for more years, and cheaper. Getting Ian Kennedy doesn’t really make up for the difference, IMO.
Considering how bad the Tigers’ bargaining position was, they got an OK deal for Granderson, and as I just implied they won the Edwin Jackson part of the deal. I think Austin Jackson has regressed somewhat as a prospect, but he’s still certainly capable of being a solid contributor at CF, and it’s not implausible that he becomes an All-Star caliber player.
and the Yankees, obviously – they got, essentially, the young left-handed version of Mike Cameron (whom they tried to acquire last offseason). seeing as he’s replacing a lefty in the lineup (assuming Melky goes to LF and one of Damon / Matsui are kept at DH), his platoon splits aren’t a big problem.
And more news!
Jeff Fiorentino is going to Japan. He signed a deal with the Hiroshima Carp.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
1 million yen = about $11,000
so that contract is worth about $440k for one year. Which is about what he made in his original signing bonus.
Good for you, Screech.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Well, carp. No more Screech.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 8, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
don't get me wrong
I liked him as a bench bat, for when we needed a single. He’s like an Ichiro lite. GL in the NPL Screech!
Has anyone noticed that the Mets are "in" on everyone?
I imagine people just mess with them at this point…
Andy McPhail – “Man, that Sal Fasano has really trimmed up and his ‘stache is kick ass. We’re discussing bringing him back to teach Wieters how to grow man-hair.”
Any Mets official upon hearing this reported – “We’re loooking at bringing in Sal Fasano to start 162 games for us including catching two games a day in the spring.”
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Dec 8, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's MLB trade rumors
They find any article, blog post, forum thread that has just about any rumor, suggestion and thought and repost it.
They have so much chaff it’s become fairly worthless other than amusment during a slow offseason.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 8, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Uggla
Are we negotiating again? mlb.com says we are in the mix. I could honestly live with him playing 3B until Bell is up (yes, I know he’s terrible defensively). I still think he should play some first. When I look at him, I look at a 1st baseman.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 8, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions
I never understood
Why everyone concluded he would be a third baseman, instead of a first baseman, if he was traded. Especially here, where we have a need at both positions.
his bat
in the long-term, he doesn’t hit well enough to be a 1B. but as a 3B, if he can produce something close to average defense, he would be one of the better overall 3B in the league. the average free agent 1B is better than the average free agent 3B – i.e. Uggla + Delgado (for instance) is better overall than Feliz + Uggla, assuming Uggla has close to average defense at 3B.
Granderson to Yankees.
Not just a dead rumor. Actually happening according to John Heyman.
http://twitter.com/SI_jonHeyman
It’s a shame because I liked Granderson. Now I hate him with all the rage in my soul.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
Can't blame Detroit for making the move though.
They are the clear cut winners in my eyes. Arizona on the other hand. . .
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Details
Austin Jackson, Coke, Scherzer, and Schlereth to the Tigers, Edwin Jackson and Kennedy to the D’Backs, and Granderson to the Yankees.
Win all the way around IMHO, except that we lose with Grandy in our division.
If the Yankees net change
for the offseason is:
Hideki Matsui and Nick Swisher out, Johnny Damon and Curtis Granderson in
then that’s a win for the Orioles. If the Yankees instead get rid of Melky Cabrera, that’s still not that much of a gain for them, really. I’m not too worried about this trade, except for noting that it does one really good thing in getting rid of two of the Yankees’ prime trade candidates for a potential Halladay deal.
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I'm not following you
They’re replacing Melky/Gardner with Granderson. They have a good shot at signing Holliday. That’s a damn good outfield. If they keep Matsui (I think they will) as DH, then they have one of Melky/Gardner for trade bait, and the other as 4th OF (assuming they give Damon walking papers)
Look
I am never going to put anything past New York ever again; I’ve been burned by assuming they’re done waaay too many times, and Teixeira was the nail in that coffin…but every indication has them bringing Damon back, and that leaves either Swisher or Cabrera as excess, and Swisher is certainly more valuable than Cabrera.
I can’t see anyone giving up anything for Brett Gardner.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
More Millwood stuff from Fordin
http://spencerfordin.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/orioles_may_be_cooling_on_mill.html
There are multiple teams embroiled in the Kevin Millwood sweepstakes with the Rangers, but the Orioles appear to have faded from a favorite to just another contender. The two teams have exchanged names of pitching prospects that could be sent from Baltimore to Texas, but there appears to be a cavernous gulf between what the Rangers want and what they can get.
This much is certain: The Rangers and Orioles match up well in terms of money. Texas is trying to shed some salary and Baltimore has plenty of room in the budget as well as a pressing need for starting pitching. The Rangers reportedly asked the Orioles for Chris Tillman, while Baltimore would prefer to trade David Hernandez or Brandon Erbe.
Now, the two teams will either try to find a middle ground or move on to other pursuits.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
Good grief
I wouldn’t give up Hernandez or Erbe. He’s a one year rental. At least Erbe and Hernandez could turn into valuable BP pieces. Erbe might even be a viable starter.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
As much as i love the Orioles (and everyone here at CC)
Trading Chris Tillman for the Kevin Millwood would probably be the final straw for me.
by kba26 on Dec 8, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha.... the day that happens Ill buy a Yanks hat.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 8, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Tillman?!?
Big no no. Hernandez I will be ok with. Like I said earlier in the thread, I think Millwood brings back more at the deadline then we give up for him now. But for the love of god no Tillman.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
you know
i’m sure daniels wasn’t seriously expecting a positive answer. but you gotta wonder… would Andy MacPhail have expected a positive answer when he asked for Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, and 3 more players for Erik Bedard? every GM is almost obligated to ask for the moon.
Got this from traderumors..
3:10pm: MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan believes the Orioles have cooled on Millwood. He says the Rangers were interested in Chris Tillman (which is crazy) while the O’s offered David Hernandez and Brandon Erbe (Erbe alone seems fair).
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Even Hernandez and Erbe would piss me off.
Are they trying to dump salary or fucking not? Don’t get greedy motherfuckers. I hope we don’t make that fucking deal.
Seriously - they better not make that deal.
I think Erbe alone is too much although maybe not really. Hernandez I’d gladly give them.
AND or OR
Sullivan says ‘AND’ (and misspelled Erbe, and claims both have ‘physical issues’), and Fordin says ‘OR’.
Erbe would be too much. I haven’t given up hope on DH, but I think he belongs in the BP.
YAY
Kevin Millwood?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
The Royals like Pie but are having trouble meeting the Os demands. Let me help…
_ I L _ Y B U T _ E R
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
sorry, i cant reply..
just not a certain CF who can leap over cars…again.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Lone Star Ball thought they were getting Pie for Millwood
and wanted no part of it:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/12/8/1191528/the-orioles-are-trying-to-trade#comments
Send em Albers and Bass straight up, no cash.
lol albers and bass
and give albers directions to all the best bbq places. He’ll be out of baseball by mid-June.
Fox WM blog
The Orioles, pursuing Millwood, could turn to Lowe, who is signed for three years instead of just one and could serve as an ideal anchor for their young rotation.
If he can still pitch. I wanted to sign him last year, but not for that price. 3/$45 is a lot to take on in a trade for an older pitcher, esp if we wind up with Uggla at the hot corner. Then again, he never really had a FB, and if he can get back to throwing a change instead of relying on a FB/SL combo, he might have a resurgence. Is ATL still desperate for OF?
I wonder if something built around Luke Scott for Lowe and Soriano could work. It would relieve a ton of salary for the Braves, and they want to get rid of Lowe anyway, and we wanted Soriano before he accepted arbitration. I agree that Lowe’s contract is really nasty, but it’d take care of the bullpen and the veteran starter (and maybe Lowe can give Bergy some sinker tips).
Of course, I’d hate to see Luuuuuke go, but… how much else do you think they’d want considering they’d be getting a decent OF and relieving a ton of salary? Or does Lowe’s contract just make it a no-go from the start?
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
Soriano comes seperately
I’m not even sure they’d do Luke for Lowe, esp since Luke is arb eligible, which is their financial worry with Soriano. And Luke his career highs in HR and RBI last season, so he’s due a raise. Luke has limited trade value to a cash poor team right now.
Plus, if any team does a 2 for 1 salary dump, they will sell no tickets that year.
let me take a moment here
to own up to the fact that I was thinking about the wrong Soriano when I wrote this morning’s droppings.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I wondered about that… I was half asleep when i first read it, so i just let it go… I read somewhere that one team asked about Lowe and Soriano as a package.. They didn’t mention a name of the team.. I instantly thought the Orioles for some reason..
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 8, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I have a bad feeling
about the Os being one of the three teams in this supposed Milton Bradley deal that is aparently a done deal.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Nevermind
It’s the CHI Sun-Times…I don’t believe a word they fabricate.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Such a dumb move
Flores is better than Pudge, Nieves is about the same level as Pudge right now and a shitload cheaper, and Bard didn’t look bad in the few games I saw him this past year.
Also, 2 years and 6M for a guy that barely got 1/1.5 this past year.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Pudge is gonna be the backup
That’s what they’re saying at Fed Baseball.
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
No one ever said they were smart
Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts
Why I trust Andy MacPhail more than any of our recent GMs...
“I’d like to do something. We all would here,” he added. “As I’ve said before, you just don’t want to do anything stupid that you’re thinking in May, ‘What in the God’s green earth was I thinking about?’”
via Roch
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
That's a great quote.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
"As I’ve said before, you just don’t want to do anything stupid that you’re thinking in May, ‘What in the God’s green earth was I thinking about?’"
Um, like trading Hernandez and Erbe for a 1 year rental?!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
The Rangers reportedly offered
Justin Smoak AND Neftali Perez for Josh Johson. I’ve seen both Smoak and Perez play several games in AAA and I think I’d rather have them.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I think you're missing the worst part of that deal
Hernandez and Erbe for a 1-year rental of kevin millwood. ew.
cough BAVASI! cough
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Granderson--> Yerkees, Matsui --> elsewhere
Sort of makes sense. I mean, they probably figure “Look, we can’t have more than one non-aresehole on the club at a time, right? What’ll people think?!?”
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Matsui became an ass
as soon as he decided to be the reason the Yankees won the world series. Bastard.
I have no problem with that, since (a) he knew he was going, making the WS a one-man salary drive; (b) somebody had
to put the Phuddies out of our misery— their reign as, groan, World Champs was a joke for which we still owe the stoopid Rayzzz a kick in the arse for their monster choke; and (c ) did I mention the entire NPL sucks— and Matsui is on record comparing it with the Japanese Central League (whose champ the NPL winner should have to beat to qualify for a real WS title)?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
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