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Uni Smackdown: Tippy Martinez vs. Chris Hoiles

Twenty-six players have donned the #23 in Orioles history, but when you think 23 it's likely only two names come to mind: Tippy Martinez and Chris Hoiles.  Martinez, a stable force in the O's bullpen for a decade, is fondly remembered for picking off three runners in one inning. Hoiles, the best offensive catcher in Orioles history (at least he was before 5/29/09), has the distinction of once hitting the Ultimate Grand Slam. But who is better?

Tippy Martinez was signed by the New York Yankees in 1972 and after pitching 44 games for the them from 1974-1976, he was traded to the O's along with Scott McGregor and Rick Dempsey. He found a home in Baltimore's bullpen, where he'd spend the next 10.5 seasons. In that time Martinez pitched 752.1 innings over 499 games with a sparkling 3.46 ERA. He had a few rough years, mostly at the end of his career (as is the case). In fact, if you take off Martinez's last two years with the O's his ERA+ jumps from 112 to 122. It's rare that a relief pitcher can be effective for so many years and Martinez was a member of a lot of good Orioles teams. In the five year span from 1979-1983 Martinez pitched 353 games with a 3.13 ERA and a 42-25 record for Orioles teams that went a combined 640-432 (.597). 1983 was Martinez's greatest year by far as he pitched 105.1 innings over 65 games with an ERA+ of 170 and a WHIP of 1.094. He made his only All-Star appearance in that year and made 5 post-season appearances, allowing 1 run in 9 innings.

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It was also in 1983 when Martinez did just what everyone remembers him for. For the youngsters in the crowd, allow me to elaborate. Martinez entered the game in the top of the 10th inning with zero outs, a runner on first, the Blue Jays leading 4-3, and the Orioles defense a hot mess. Behind the plate was Lenn Sakata, catching in what would turn out as his only inning at catcher in his 11 year major league career. At third base was Gary Roenicke, an outfielder. John Lowenstein, also an outfielder, was at 2B. The Blue Jays probably thought they could take advantage of the compromised infield but Martinez had other ideas. He picked off the initial runner, issued a one out walk, picked off that guy, allowed a single, and picked off THAT guy. And thus Tippy Martinez made his mark on history.

Chris Hoiles also has a small place in baseball history for hitting an Ultimate Grand Slam in 1996 against the Seattle Mariners. The ultimate grand slam is, of course, a grand slam hit in the bottom of the 9th with the team down by three runs. It's been done a number of times in major league history, but only Hoiles has ever done it in the ultimest of ultimate ways, with a 3-2 count and two outs. Chris Hoiles and grand slams go together, as he also once hit two in one game

Drafted by the Tigers in 1986, Chris Hoiles was traded to the Orioles in August of 1988 for Fred Lynn. Hoiles made his major league debut in 1989 and played for the Orioles for his entire career. In his 10 years he set almost every offensive record for Orioles catchers. He's #1 in home runs (151), walks (435), OBP (.366), OPS (.833), and runs (415). His 449 RBI are second to only Gus Triandos (517) and his SLG of .467 is third behind Charles Johnson (.476) and Javy Lopez (.468).  Hoiles' best season was 1993 when he hit .310/.416/.585 with 29 HR. Three times he hit at least 20 HR and twice he just missed with 19. Although not known for his defense, his bat more than made up for the deficiency. 

Both Tippy Martinez and Chris Hoiles spent about 10 years with the Orioles. One held leads, one mashed home runs. Both were fan favorites, but only one tossed me a baseball during a minor league rehab start that I still have. Just saying. So who gets your vote? 

Poll
Who is the best #23 in O's history?
Tippy Martinez
55 votes
Chris Hoiles
84 votes

139 votes | Poll has closed

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Gotta go with Tippy

His was the first autograph I ever got. He signed the orange brim of my cartoon bird hat with a magic marker (this was before Sharpies) at an event at the Kenilworth Bazaar.

More to the point, he was a closer before the term really existed. When Stanhouse entered in the ninth, you swore into your beer (or Coke for me at the time). When Tippy came in, you breathed a sigh of relief.

Chris Hoiles was no slouch, but Tippy basically anchored the bullpen for nearly a decade, and that’s saying a lot in those days when the O’s were actually known for pitching.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 AM EST reply actions  

All due respect to Tippy Martinez

but Chris Hoiles is a part of my childhood.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
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by jobe on Dec 9, 2009 4:10 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

I loved him. My dad thought it was hilarious that his 12-year-old daughter had an obsession with Chris Hoiles, but looking at his stats in this post I feel totally vindicated.

by O Nina on Dec 9, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

I was talking to a friend of mine last night about this and he said, “Chris Hoiles, hands down.” I told him that I knew the older guys would choose Tippy and the younger guys would probably choose Hoiles, and check out the above two comments.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2009 7:54 AM EST reply actions  

Believe it or not

I’m a “younger guy” (27, anyway), and I went with Tippy. One of the things about him that we’d tend to overlook is that Weaver used him in any and every situation. You hear relievers today moan about their “roles”, but do me a favor and check out Tippy’s gamelog from 1979. He entered games in every inning from 1 through 11, faced anywhere from 1 to 24 batters, and went 10-3 with a 2.88 ERA, 3 saves, and a 1.15 WHIP for the AL champs. How many guys could do that?

Full disclosure dept: Tippy was also my first autograph, at my Little League parade in 1994. And after the parade was over, we ran into him heading to our car and he agreed to stop for pictures with my sister and myself. Great guy.

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by Brotz13 on Dec 9, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

always a rebel, Brotzy

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Whaddayamean OLD?

Young whippersnapper!

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

oldER, zk

I know you’re a spry fella.

Some Day, Matt Wieters Will Make The Cooperstown Crowd Laugh By Talking About The Time He Batted Behind Melvin Mora And Luke Scott. -Keith Law via Matt Wieters Facts

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Hoiles!

Even though i don’t remember much about the O’s when I was that young, I remember Hoiles as one of my favorites. I loved that guy.

Cal, Brady, and Chris were my three favorites growing up.

by Gorilla Bird on Dec 9, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

One more for Hoiles

and it’s back even. I will never forget seeing two grand slams in one game. Epic.

by Knubles and Bits on Dec 9, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

abstain

I just can’t bring myself to choose between 2 classic #23’s.

by Dingbat Charlie on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry, Tippy

the holy numbers of my youth were 8, 9, 23, and 35. My youth happened to coincide with Mr. Hoiles.

by daveh873 on Dec 9, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

ex-Revs

and in an amazing example of career symmetry, they are both ex-York Revolutions. Or whatever the plural is. Since they were there at the same time, I wonder who got #23?

by bakely on Dec 9, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

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