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Alex Rodriguez blames cousin for positive test, high school beer bash

1234901225_medium Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Professional Athletes Think We're All F***ing Idiots. Our guest this week: Alex Rodriguez!

Alex Rodriguez answered one big question Tuesday, admitting his cousin repeatedly injected him with a substance from the Dominican Republic.

The New York Yankees star blamed his 2003 positive test on being young and naive.

“I knew we weren’t taking Tic Tacs,” said Rodriguez, who was joined at the head table by Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and manager Joe Girardi.

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Rodriguez said his cousin introduced him to “boli,” saying it was an over-the-counter substance in the Dominican. While with Texas, he said his cousin injected him about twice a month during six-month cycles to get an energy boost.

“I didn’t think they were steroids,” he said. “That’s again part of being young and stupid. It was over the counter. It was pretty simple.”

“All these years I never thought I did anything wrong.”

I have had it with this crap. And that's exactly what it is. It's crap.

This is a grown man blaming his cousin for a positive performance-enhancing drugs test from six years ago. Look, guys did steroids. They probably still do something that baseball's testing can't pick up. And this is the same in other sports, too, but undeniably for whatever reason, baseball has been the most horrific and disgusting display of this by far.

What makes it worse and pisses me off as a grown-up and a baseball fan is these guys throwing around these B.S. excuses like kids trying to explain why they're sick all day after a kegger when they were supposed to be at Jimmy's house watching a Rocky marathon on SpikeTV.

Rodriguez has said he took stuff from 2001-2003, right? And his excuse is being "young and naive." He was 26-28 during this timeframe. Am I to believe he was so clueless that he didn't think, "Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't 'let my cousin' inject me with something 'over the counter' from the Dominican Republic..."

How brain dead and moronic do these people think we are? I turn 27 next month and I'm not a multimillionaire professional athlete with a reputation to uphold. I'm also no genius. If someone came to me and said, "Hey man, take this stuff, I got it from the Dominican Republic, it's totally legal down there," I think maybe I might use the f***ing internet and look this thing up. WebMD, Alex! WebMD!

There are so many holes in every cockamamie story like this that it seriously burns my ass to read these guys and then have sportswriters congratulate them for "admitting" they did something wrong. Every single one of them is apparently closer to Forrest Gump than your average human being, because NONE OF THEM knew what they were doing, apparently. It was all an accident!

And this guy -- the biggest superstar and arguably best player in baseball -- has the gall to do it NOW, when the public has largely accepted that pretty much every one of our favorite baseball heroes was juicing at some point.

I've got a new least favorite baseball player, and it isn't even close. And the worst thing is I know that he's got a good argument that this thing never should've come out, and Major League Baseball needs to release those other 103 names because hate him as a ballplayer and public figure though I may, the other guys don't deserve passes if we're going to make Alex Rodriguez go through press conferences and concoct idiotic stories to convince us of his naive mid-20s youth.

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The worst thing was

when that jackass implied that the ‘roids didn’t have any effect because he and cuz didn’t know what they were doing – because of that they might not have gained the full effect. Good grief.

by brooksflow on Feb 17, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it reminded me

of two goofballs running around on a drunken night causing trouble and doing whip-its not having a care in the world. Too bad its a professional athlete doing steroids and lying about it.

by Jwinn006 on Feb 17, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even care if it's true

Just the fact that he tested positive for something is enough to completely tarnish his reputation.

I don’t think this really changes anything, it will just make people a bit more nauseous for the time being. Rodriguez will probably be remembered as a great player who, unfortunately, took steroids for a short period of time, which consequently ruined his “legacy.”

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by Baltimo on Feb 17, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't care that much either

But A-Rod is a phony. Good for MLB that the only thing that would ever keep me from loving the O’s and following baseball would be if either Eddie or Cal were involved in this mess. Looks like I’ll be an O’s and baseball lifer. The ’roided sensationalism will fade in due time anyway.

by brooksflow on Feb 17, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On youthful naivete

I think that we can blame the rash of that on W, who, after all, got to write off his entire life before age 40 as a youthful indiscretion and still got elected governor twice and president (arguably) twice.

I am with you, however, because I am 25 and I think it’s pretty much a no-brainer to say that I would not be letting anybody other than a physician or nurse inject any kind of chemical into my system.

The “young and dumb” excuse works for explaining away old high school and college girlfriends. It doesn’t work when you are getting steroid shots in the ass. Or anywhere else for that matter.

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by Eat More Esskay on Feb 17, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha

“high school and college girlfriends” very poetic. I think your right, that “young and dumb” excuse really does only work with ex-girlfriends. haha. i like it.

by Jwinn006 on Feb 17, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What was up with that long ass pause after he read his statement and then said, “And to my teammates,”? That was really weird. I couldn’t tell if he was going to praise or shit all over his teammates.

This is a grown man blaming his cousin for a positive performance-enhancing drugs test from six years ago.

I don’t know if I would say blame… he needed to identify how he acquired steroids. He did say, “I’ve been looking at people to blame, and I look at myself at the end of the day … This is about me, and I’m the one who screwed up.” But he did weasel a bit by citing extenduating circumstances, “I didn’t know it was steroids,” “I was young and stupid,” instead of just saying, “I knew I was taking steroids and I knew better but I wanted a competitive edge.” Whatever, it’s just a sea of PR, who knows what’s the truth.

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by birdman on Feb 17, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good point

In a perfect world the Mitchell report wouldn’t have been necessary to reveal a player who was using steroids because they would have admitted to their own mistakes publicly, if they had any descency. In the real world it would be nice to hear one of these accused players step forward and tell the “whole truth” about their actions. To me Miggy’s apology wasn’t good enough because he already lied to reporters in the first place. The apology needs to be not only sincere but in full context as well and not clouded by PR bull. Oh well, at least I can hope that this stuff casts at least less of a cloud on baseball by opening day.

by purpleonblack86 on Feb 18, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

damn forgot about Canseco

Well, what Im trying to get at is why does their have to be a witch hunt for these guys like Barry and A-roid? So what if their high profile they can still learn from guys like Canseco but then again where is Canseco now?…

by purpleonblack86 on Feb 18, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fighting Danny Bonaduce in celebrity boxing matches

Where the paid crowd leaves before the decision (a draw) is rendered. And then Canseco admits afterward that if Bonaduce (who is 5’6") was Canseco’s size (6’4") he would’ve knocked him out. Canseco did get knocked out by former NFL All-Pro Vai Sikahema last year.

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by SC on Feb 19, 2009 5:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No sympathy here. Bonaduce was 5'1" before he started taking steroids.

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by Titov on Feb 19, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me get this straight...

Dude signs a TWO-HUNDRED-FIFTY-TWO MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT and lets his cousin inject him with over the counter meds bought in the Dominican Republic?

And we’re supposed to believe he didn’t know what was going in his arm (or other body part) when he had just signed a contract to play baseball worth a quarter of a billion dollars?

Really?

Alex Rodriguez must think we’re pretty f-cking dumb. Problem is, a lot of baseball fans might just prove him right.

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by duck on Feb 17, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's only showing his own ignorance.

Thinking this will fool anyone. BTW, Alex… you tested positive twice. For two different substances. Cuz’s “Boli” isn’t a shape shifting chameleon complex that is so advanced it can get you busted for two different illegal substances.

What, we can’t count now either? Eff you, A-Fraud. (Points for losing the Menendez Bros. sweater, though.)

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by OEutaw on Feb 18, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, he says he was "young"?

He was “young”?? What an insult!! I’m 24 years old and I feel like I have a good head on my shoulders. I am no where near an athlete and I try to watch what I eat but I’m not obsessive over it like these “world-class atheletes” are. So, for him to say he was young is an insult!! I was told when I turned 18 I was now responsible for my actions, not when I was 24-28. This kind of stuff is getting old. These guys know what they are doing, and their PR guys are telling them how to spin the story. I’ll tell you what, interview this “cousin” before anyone has an opportunity to script what he says and then we’ll find out the truth. Who the hell is his cousin??

by Jwinn006 on Feb 17, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

but, but, A-Rod never went to college!

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by birdman on Feb 17, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But he has a college stadium named after him

after he ponied up $3.9 mil for the University of Miami’s new stadium.

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by duck on Feb 17, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh my goodness

At first, i thought you were joking around and really good at digital artwork….then i clicked on the links…and i realized. You weren’t joking.

by Jwinn006 on Feb 17, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm OK at Photoshop

but my jokes tend to be overbearing and obvious. I can’t make shit like this up.

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by duck on Feb 17, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rep. Henry Hide

used “youthful indiscretions” to explain away an affair he had when he ran for re-election 10 years ago. Yeah, an affair he had when he was 41.

In 1998, the Internet magazine Salon.com published “This Hypocrite Broke Up My Family” which stated that from 1965 to 1969, Hyde conducted an extramarital sexual affair with Cherie Snodgrass. At the time, Snodgrass was married to another man with whom she had had three children… Hyde, who was 41 years old and married when the affair occurred, admitted to the affair in 1998, describing the relationship as a “youthful indiscretion”.

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by duck on Feb 17, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Henry HYDE

DAMMITT!!!!!

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by duck on Feb 17, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no excuse

Then again like my dad always told me and continues to tell me, “the youngest are the dumbest!” LMAO.

by purpleonblack86 on Feb 18, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What gets me the most about all this

is all the fucking finger wagging going on by the media at the athletes, when the whole kit and kaboodle, everyone in the f’ing clubhouse, had to know what was happening. Players, coaches, GMs, owners, trainers, clubbies, and the media had to know a whole hell of a lot more than they are letting on. You think a beat writer who is in the clubhouse every day doesn’t know who is on the leaded, or who has needles sticking out of their ass? But the only guys taking any heat are players and Bud Selig. And they deserve their share of blame, but the smug media dicksucks who first moralize and then offer benedictions deserve a healthy dose of suspicion, too.

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Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on Feb 17, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, like Peter Gammons

can’t name a half dozen Red Sox that were on the juice.

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by duck on Feb 17, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peter Gammons will never talk bad about the Red Sox

He’s too busy making out with every player who has ever played for them.

by Dr Orpheus on Feb 17, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

media is to blame

funny thing is, Buster Olney actually mentioned that he blames himself and the rest of the media world for not reporting the steriod era more accurately especially when during hits height when Sammy and Mark were caught but even if there’s more blame to go around at least he’s making a step.

by purpleonblack86 on Feb 18, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The media deserve a lot of blame here, imo. I think there was just that one reporter is St. Louis who was wondering WTF about McGwire and the story had “no legs” back then. Of course, the media determines what has legs and what doesn’t. It’s disappointing that more wasn’t done after the tragedy of Ken Caminiti as well.

I blame Selig and Fehr/Orza first. Then I blame the media, then the players.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Feb 18, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The media is also the first to pat the offender on the back.

For “coming forward” or “stepping up” or “telling the truth”. Not a single one did any such thing. It’s called “admitting you’ve been caught red-handed”. There’s no nobility in that, talking heads. What, because they know when the jig is up I’m supposed to think there’s some integrity there?

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by OEutaw on Feb 18, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the media part that drives me insane

Sportswriters largely LOVE to rile up fans, bitch about players who make them write negative stories, and then congratulate them when they go, “Yes, I did something, totally by accident, and it wasn’t at all my fault — unless you count not being perfect as a fault. God will help me through this.”

BRAVO! BRAVO! WHAT A MAN!

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by SC on Feb 18, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why is a-rod the main target?

Uh, because of his numbers, the gazillion-dollar contract and his ASSault on the record book. Gotta love these analysts and coaches stating that the others on List 104 should have been announced as well and that A-Rod is the undue martyr in all this. You think that a Jason Grimsley, a Brad Fullmer or some cup of coffee would attract the attention he’s getting and the distraction he’s creating for teammates? Maybe to an nth of the scale. Fact is – he’s A-Rod: the Bronx-bombing, Madonna-swooning, frosted-plug Gazillionario. What do they expect?
Kudos to ‘Bud being Bud’ and not taking an ounce of responsibility for the steroid era, suggesting that he was victimized along with the fans. What also wasn’t his fault was the ‘94 strike, the sham ’98 HR chase, the ’02 all-star game ending with an I Dunno gesture and a tie, and the ’roid fallout. (Even though it took a minor league coach’s death to enforce base coach batting helmets, it was in the minors. But still…) The next Godly act will be enforcing a wood alternative to bats only after a pitcher finally gets impaled by one of those javelins that have been flinging out of the batter’s box for years. But isn’t all of that moot when, as he pointed out, attendance numbers are reaching record numbers? He doesn’t mind taking credit for that. Don’t forget to remind us that you retired Jackie Robinson’s number too.

by waverider on Feb 17, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The other 103 aren’t going to be as big a deal, obviously. They also don’t deserve passes now.

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by SC on Feb 17, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I was Bud....

excuse me I just vomited into my mouth for a second…Let me rephrase this, If I was the commissioner, I would basically offer complete amnesty for everyone to come forward with information. Not release the info, but allow for everyone involved to come clean, from players to docs, from trainers to owners. Basically, tell me what you know and when. If you don’t come forward and later information comes out that you attempted to hide what you have done, full weight punishment like it just happened. Give everyone 3 months to get their shit in order with their lawyers and whether or not they want to “play ball” and come clean. As soon as the players association gives me shit, I threaten to get outside help in conducting the investigations.

The whole point is that they need to just clean the slate and draw a line in the sand to say “Here, from this day forth, we are actively trying to ensure that cheaters are put on notice” without the pointless debate over the last 20 years. Of course that is a lot to expect from the man that fucking ruined the All Star game….

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by UMBC Oriole fan on Feb 17, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Come Clean Bud

I want Bud Selig and MLB offices to come clean on what they knew and when they knew it and all that malarkey. We guys at work called steroids during the big home run chases that Bud Selig and and the rest of MLB celebrated as it filled their coffers. We weren’t geniuses or anything, just aware that all sports were rife with steroids. This is while sorts writers were surmising about tightly wound baseballs. They too wouldn’t openly state the lurking suspicion for fear of losing their passes into the clubhouse.

Bud can bust on the players while they make fools of themselves with pathetic excuses. If the players must come clean, I want Bud et. al. to also come clean. Otherwise, they are even more pathetic and hypocritical than the players, as they are now passing judgment. You know they knew.

by drj on Feb 17, 2009 11:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Y'know, It's just like A*Rod always said: Life is like a box of over-the-counter Dominican chocolates...

Ya never know what your cousin put in ’em….

I feel your outrage, SC et al., but I have to admit that on the They’ll Believe Anything front— or at least the I Can Say Anything and It Has to Be Reported Seriously front— I’ve all been pretty numbed by the last couple decades. (And I ain’t alone.) Bubba “did not have sex with that woman,” depending on what your definition of “is” is, when jeepers, everybody but your dog Scout knew he did, and Scout was catching on toward the end there.

Still, that was pretty much nothing. We then got the non-existent WMDs, Mission Accomplished, a Madoff economy, a Vice President sworn to uphold the Constitution who spent 8 years shredding it., and on and on and on. I mean, we had an Attorney General and a President, each with an advanced degree from Harvard, who claimed they had, respectively, forgotten unforgettable events (67 times in one afternoon of testimony) and that the Hurricane Katrina emergency administrator was doing a heckuva job (as people were drowning on national television).

Somebody representing the executive branch could go before the press virtually Every Freaking Day and say, “By the way, Up is Down, Black is White, and in making these assertions we are Not Lying. See, those are statements of policy and thus not subject to the laws of nature much less the scrutiny of a concerned press and public. So just shut up and get out of here, OK? That’s all I have for you on that. Thank you, ladies and gentleman.” And our collective response? “Um, okay, right, bye.”

It’s not like Nov. 4 could just erase all that (alas). Why shouldn’t A*Rod’s people say to him, with a reasonable degree of certainty, "OK, boss, we’re going with a Naivte Strategy on this thing: you were young, didn’t know jack about the Dominican pharmaceutical industry, plus whatshisname, that dirtbag cousin Raul who used to spike the punch bowl at Dominican proms, just played you like a violin, got it? What? No, of course nobody’ll believe it. That’s not the POINT! Jeez, wake up— do you think Steinbrenner shouldn’t have done jail time? Or maybe OJ didn’t do it?!? No, the idea is to make up a fantasy story and Just Keep Repeating It. Repeating It. Repeating It. See, it sounds truthier already!

This is basically A*Rod’s Fantasy Land way of pleading Nolo contendere. And in the social context we’ve created (or allowed to be created in our name) we have to accept it. Of course, Pretend Commissioner Bud could intervene and make a clean breast of this and all the undisclosed cases, for the good of the sport and, in a larger sense, to return the level of American public discourse a little closer to reality.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry, I have to wipe my glasses here.

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by Titov on Feb 18, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

a fraud is apt

I don’t think he’s any worse of a guy than many other major leaguers, but his story evolves so much you’d think it came from the Galapados islands. I just loved how he didn’t know how old he was in Texas (26, not 24).

I get the feeling that by admitting he used, he gets “to move on, to put it behind me,” as if this isn’t a big deal. I admitted fault, so everyone forgive me now! It’s not that easy in my book. Why did he even stop? With Gammons it was the epiphany moment (“What am I doing?”). Now it’s “the neck injury” and the testing. Of course, he was “lying to myself” four years later when interviewed by Couric. He couldn’t be any more full of shit if he just taken a horse laxative.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Feb 18, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

On opening day

Which Yankee gets the loudest boos?

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by the fix is in on Feb 18, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod

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by duck on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll get boos from the Yankee fans as well

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by Stacey on Feb 18, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex

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by UMBC Oriole fan on Feb 19, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he turned his back on wishes and unicorns.

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by SC on Feb 19, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to remind all MLB players

that yes, “It’s a business.”

Whenever it’s contract negotiation time all we hear is that “it’s a business.” OK, so concede that and apply it when negotiation time is over. It’s a business. A*Rod is the personal manager of a $25 million business line - providing a quality MLB infielder and hitter. The major resource in that business line is his body. If he (or any other player- all their lines are multi-million lines), as a business manager of that resource has no control over the supply inputs into it then he completely sucks at his job. He has failed entirely to manage his line of the business. For mismanagement like that, business people are fired.

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by 33 on Feb 18, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

dunno why that line is written in strikethru

guess I completely suck at the job of CC commenter. Fire me.

Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Feb 18, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you admitted guilt

BRAVO BRAVO

Also it does that. Like if you put asterisks around shit it goes bold. SHRUG

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by SC on Feb 18, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF

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by SC on Feb 18, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rad

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by SC on Feb 18, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You do realize...

you’ll have to pay back a portion of your signing bonus, right?

Oh, wait, this isn’t the NFL. You’re good to go.

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by duck on Feb 18, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?!?

WOW, so that’s what all this

sh*t means.

Thx to

Zknower,
I’m gonna be lots more coloful from now on even though I’m tech-tarded

Or maybe not.

Damn. No wonder students laugh at me.

Jerks.

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by Titov on Feb 19, 2009 4:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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