"When I arrived in Texas in 2001, I felt an enormous amount of pressure, felt all the weight of the world on top of me to perform and perform at a high level every day. It was a different culture. I was young, I was stupid and I wanted to prove to everyone that I was worth being one of the greatest players of all time and I did take a banned substance. For that, I'm very sorry and deeply regretful, although it was the culture back then in major league baseball overall, it was very ... I just feel that ... I'm just sorry. I'm sorry for that time, I'm sorry to the fans I'm sorry to the fans in Texas. It wasn't until then that I thought about substance of any kind, and since then I've proved to myself and to anyone that I don't need any of that."
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From the earlier thread...
In the minoroty here but I think violating confidentiality agreements, leaking grand jury testimony and otherwise pissing all over the 4th Amdmt. & any other laws concerning the rules of evidence are INFINITELY worse than taking steroids.
I guess I just have a "post Magna Carta" mindset.
On the other hand, all the sportswriters & self-righteous pricks (but I repeat myself) who said, "Oh, Bonds will only have the record for a few years, when someone clean passes him" have to choke on it as hard as, well, May-Rod chokes on it in Oct.
And for a sportswriter who’s an exception to the rule…
http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/ny-spkenrod08a6028620feb08,0,177305,print.column
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I totally DISagree...
…and this sounds like knee-jerk Libertarianism to me instead of considering the facts.
First, there were no confidentiality agreements binding the government regarding these tests. The union told the players it would keep the results confidential and the players agreed to the testing. The union then had 6 months to destroy these particular test results and, inexplicably, chose not to. When the justice department confiscated the results as part of the BALCO raid, they were hardly beholden to some pact between the players and their union.
The goverment had a warrant for ten players when it went into BALCO. That’s not pissing on the 4th Amendment. The question is whether, once they were in and had gotten a spreadsheet with details on the original 10 players, they were required to ignore and/or parse the details of the other 104 players in the same spreadsheet. MLBPA says yes; the government says no; the case is still pending (currently in pending in the 9th US Circuit COurt of Appeals).
Sure it’s bad to leak grand jury testimony, but it’s also bad to be a defense lawyer leaking transcripts:
Government and defense leaks have defined the BALCO case. The longest prison sentence in the seven-year steroids investigation has not been for athletes lying to Novitzky or to a grand jury about banned substances but for violating an Illston order.
Illston referred the December 2004 leaks of BALCO grand jury transcripts for prosecution. A grand jury was convened in Los Angeles. FBI agents investigated prosecutors and investigators, as well as reporters from the San Francisco Chronicle, defense attorneys and BALCO mastermind Victor Conte. On Feb. 14, 2007, Conte’s former attorney Troy Ellerman pleaded guilty to disclosing the transcripts and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison.
So I guess maybe the government is fighting fire with fire here. I find that a little disturbing, I guess, but I have to consider context: these things are not black and white. Without leaks, there would have been no Watergate case, no Pentagon papers, etc. It’s not like A*Rod’s life is at stake as was the case with Valerie Plame. He is not even accused of breaking any laws. All that’s at stake is his “reputation.”
I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the ballplayers or their union. The ballplayers broke the rules and are complainging that they got caught. If the cops break up a party because the neighbors complained about the noise and they catch you with a lit bong in your hand, I don’t think they’re expected to pretend they didn’t see it. And the union is the worst. As recently as this breaking story, they still attempt to stonewall. Their f*cking COO is still trying to bury it for chrissake:
Because more than 5% of big leaguers had tested positive in 2003, baseball instituted a mandatory random-testing program, with penalties, in ‘04. According to the 2007 Mitchell Report on steroid use in baseball, in September 2004, Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players’ union, violated an agreement with MLB by tipping off a player (not named in the report) about an upcoming, supposedly unannounced drug test. Three major league players who spoke to SI said that Rodriguez was also tipped by Orza in early September 2004 that he would be tested later that month. Rodriguez declined to respond on Thursday when asked about the warning Orza provided him.
When Orza was asked on Friday in the union’s New York City office about the tipping allegations, he told a reporter, “I’m not interested in discussing this information with you.”
…and of course, that’s a case where you have MLB players providing the “leak”. Which some people would call “having some ethical backbone” instead.
Pity all the clean baseball players who are trying to do the right thing and are dragged through this BS by the cheaters around them and by their own corrupt union, which fought the testing for years.
I agree with you on the mlb union
It’s gotten way too powerful. It’s to the point of being ridiculous.
I don’t feel sorry for players who get caught using steroids, but I do think it’s a shame that our court and legal system feels that it can circumvent the system for what? As some public service? Please. Per that article, the warrant was only to pertain to the 10 players linked in the BALCO case, but someone saw Alex Rodriguez’s name and just couldn’t resist. I know, the warrant only pertains to what can be used in court, but it’s still pretty sneaky to let it out this way.
Mostly, I think, I’m just tired of steroids. As we all know, the 1990s/early 2000s explosion of steroids was perpetrated not only by the players, but also by the media and the owners and Major League Baseball for not doing anything. Now we suddenly have some crisis of conscience and players are being outed left and right. The MLB Union agreed to test for steroids anonymously to gauge just how rampant of steroids was to a league that previously didn’t test for it. Now they test for it. I think the entire sport would be better off to say, “Yes this happened, but there is nothing we can do about the past.” Then move on to putting time and money and research into keeping steroids from the future of baseball instead of continually making players out to be bad guys while the owners, media, fans who kept quiet and let the balls fly out of the park because it’s sexy sit by and judge.
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responsibility starts with the players
and seriously, i’m getting sick of the notion that “everyone stood by”. It’s like the BS where the Bush admin. said, “everyone thought there were WMDs.” No, they didn’t. There were plenty of people who called the BS for what it was, and there were plenty of fans who went on record saying they thought steroids shouldn’t be allowed in the game, and there plenty of reporters who wrote stories to the degree of, “Bonds may be hitting a lot of omers, but gosh his head has gotten big.”
Not “everyone” else was complicit. Some were, some weren’t, and that’s how it will always be. Ultiamtely, it comes down to personal accountability. Players either have it or they don’t.
Christ, even today, A*Rod is saying, “I don’t really know what I took.” How can he say that and keep a straight face?
responsibility starts with the players
but if I was a player and lots of people around me were taking drugs so that they could get bigger and stronger and there were no consequences, why wouldn’t I do it as well? I’m not saying it makes it right, obviously. But I think it makes it understandable.
Yes maybe some people were speaking up. But in 1998 when ESPN was cutting into every Sosa and McGwire at bat and celebrating two obviously ’roided up players and the majority of reporters and the majority of fans were so caught up in it and the powers that be in MLB were just so happy to have people loving their sport again, what does that say?
Saying players should have personal accountability is all well and good in a vacuum but I just think there is a lot more to it than that.
[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8
Exactly
And while taking “shots”, if you will, at the players. Let’s not forget the owners, GMs, managers & coaches as well.
Keep in mind that when steroids 1st started being used by football players, it generally wasn’t a player-instigated thing. A coach would take a player aside & say, “Ya gotta gain 30 pounds by opening day.” Uh-huh. Right. In the middle of July & Aug., with 2-a-days.
Even the dimmest player knew what he had to do to make the team.
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perhaps
but that player could also choose to do something else with his life, if “making the team” meant cheating.
Like go pump gas
for $6 an hour, instead of keeping a $300K/year (or substantially more) job that isn’t guaranteed?
Not that ethics should be situational, but that’s a pretty hard choice to ask someone to make.
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Plus, these players (sometimes) have families
Would you take steroids to make your family as comfortable as possible? If the alternative meant you had to do something else with your life, something you might not be prepared for since you spent all your life up to that point training for a specific sport, something that might pay shit and would mean that your family might have to do without?
Yeah, the players made choices and they’ll have to live with the consequences. But if a tearful televised mea culpa is the only consequence if you get caught, I think it is easy for many players to reconcile the fact that they “cheated” to give their families (and themselves) a better life. Baseball did let it happen, whether some choose to believe it or not. There needed to be incentives not to take steroids, when instead there were only incentive to take them.
Where do you draw the line?
Would you kill someone to provide for your family?
Steal from your company?
Cheat on your taxes?
Lie about a disability?
I wouldn’t do any of these. You either keep your word or you don’t. Pegging situations where it’s “okay” or “justified”, or in your words, “reconcilable” to be deceitful is a reaallllly slippery slope.
Let's see.....
Would you kill someone to provide for your family?
Possibly. If it meant my own children wouldn’t starve, it’s on the table. If you’re giving me the old “KIll the pharmacist who won’t lower the price of the drug that can save your wife’s life,” I’d consider loading the gun.
Steal from your company?
For personal gain? Nope.
Cheat on your taxes?
Don’t need to. Never have.
Lie about a disability?
Nope. My son has one, and I see how hard he has it, even though it’s more of an annoyance than a life-changer. I respect those with disabilities too much to take advantage of that possibility.
But if I’m a backup catcher with some hotshot in the minors, and I need to start hitting for more power than the fading starter in front of me, and someone shows me a vial that can help me get there? I can’t say with 100% certainty I’d say no.
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Sure it's a slippery slope
But again, there were no consequences for taking steroids. It’s not even an issue of if I would do it or not – the system was in place so that it was easy for people to do it. Would I have done steroids? Maybe. Would I kill someone? Unless that person is threatening my family, no. It’s just not something I can see myself doing.
But if there were no consequences for killing someone, or if the consequences were so trivial and minor (like a pubic apology) then you can bet that someone is going to kill someone else. Maybe a lot of people will. It doesn’t make it right, but if a system is in place that makes it easy, it will happen.
Just like steroids happened.
Can't believed I missed this last night
but from 2001-03, the rules were THERE WERE NO RULES!
He says he stopped in ’04 when the policy changed. And he surely stopped before the ’06 WBC, which has Olympic-style testing.
So who, exactly, does he owe answers to? The players who speeded & coked up to counter the effects of alcohol?
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Patently false.
Steroids without a written prescription have been prohibited in MLB since 1991. Get your facts straight.
It’s not that there were no rules, it’s that there was no testing. Big difference, my friend.
Either way
It appears as though I’ve made a slight error in wording.
How fallable of me!
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it's not a slight error.
this is the whole point of what i’m arguing over these boards.
if it’s not against the rules, go ahead and do whatever you want—take greenies, drink booze, ingest HGH. i’m not in favor of the supplement culture, but I have no gripes with an athlete making different choices—it’s his body.
but if it IS against the rules, then you’re breaking the rules. the fact that there is no testing—which is sometimes a product of an industry disinterested in policing itself, and sometimes a lack of technological advance—does not change the fact that you are breaking the rules.
breaking the rules is not defensible “just because everyone else is doing it” or “because I’ll have to pump gas if I don’t”. Lying about breaking the rules, sometimes repeatedly, is also not defensible.
You live by an ethical code or you don’t. It’s that simple.
OK, let me try 2 different approaches here
You either think using PEDs is a big deal or you don’t.
For those who don’t, this whole A-Rod story is like the episode of Seinfeld when Kramer moves to Florida & tries to become president of the condo board where Jerry’s parents live. Then someone catches him walking barefoot in the clubhouse. At first Kramer doesn’t think it’s a big deal but Jerry explains how it will destroy his candidacy, “These people work their whole lives just so they can move down here, sit in the sun and pretend it’s not hot and enforce rules like these!”
That’s kind of how some people view the movivation behind all the anti-drug hysteria. It’s not about protecting “society” or “the children” or “the integrity of the game”. It’s about being able to feel superior and yell “GOTCHA!” when someone gets caught.
That’s why athletes & entertainers are prefered targets, because they’re perceived as being shallow & superficial and not being able to menatlly and verbally defend themselves.
The media LOVED Mark McGwire’s performance before Congress. He gave them exactly what they were looking for – the dull look of a trapped animal. Carrion for the carnivores. On the other hand, Bill Clinton’s defence of himself during the impeachment, quibbling over the meaning of the word “is” and so forth (which I thought was brilliant), only made the media yammerheads hate him even more.
Now remember, this only applies if you think the offense was trivial to begin with. For murder, starting a war against the wrong country, raiding Grandma’s pension fund, etc., it’s a whole other story.
Now let’s say you think steroid use in baseball IS a big deal, and believe it or not, I can respect that opinion even if I don’t share it, then it becomes something that can be compared with, oh, I don’t know, Abu Ghraib. Forgive me if this seems to trivialize what went on there, but I think this example makes my point -
Suppose we cast A-Rod & Miggi as Charles Grenier & Lyndie England, who went to prison for abuses commited at Abu Ghraib. Now they’re far from sympathic characters. Grenier was a particularly vile specimen & England seemed barely sentient. But when, when, when do we get to see Cheney & Rummy in the orange jump suits?
Or, to get back on topic, when do we see Bud Selig forced to abase himself before Peter Gammons? When do we see Rangers’ owner Tom Hicks have to squeal like a pig in open court or before Congress?
I’m not being sarcastic or patronizing when I say I admire the ethical standards you’ve expressed on this thread. But I think part of the reason you find other posters semi-defending A-Rod, or at least not ripping him as harshly as you do is not because they don’t agree with those standards, but because they’d like to see them applied evenly, across the board and without exception.
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some quick thoughts
because we both have lives, and how much of them do we want to spend on this?
Thanks for a thoughtful and detailed reply. I would say:
That’s kind of how some people view the movivation behind all the anti-drug hysteria. It’s not about protecting "society" or "the children" or "the integrity of the game". It’s about being able to feel superior and yell "GOTCHA!" when someone gets caught.
I don’t think it’s “hysteria”. Others may feel it’s about yelling “gotcha”. I still think it’s about society, the children, and the integrity of the game. But this is obviously a generalization. I’m sure for some of the congress types there’s a noble intent, and for others, it’s grandstanding. One only need look at the farcical fawning over Clemens last year by certain members of congress to see glaring hypocrisy.
Re: McGwire vs. Clinton. McGwire had sanctimoniously denied using steroids for seven straight years between the home run chase and his appearance before congress. He was singled out because of his that’s a LOT of denials and because he was tied to an iconic record that became tainted as the allegations surfaced year after year. His choice of not answering the questions put before him (“I’m not here to talk about the past”) caused people’s obsession with him than anything else—had he come clean, as GIambi and Pettitte did, the story would have died a lot sooner.
Conversely, the time between Clinton’s initial denial of the charges and the hearing when he came clean was a scant six months, not seven years; and after confronted with the allegations, while he certainily parsed words and was purposefully vague about the details, he fully admitted an inappropriate intimate relationship.
I don’t in any way defend or condone Clinton’s lying: he is the one who got himself into the mess. But he was being persecuted about an extra-martial affair: something which is hardly uncommon in this country, and which certainly has no bearing on his ability to do his job properly, as is evidenced by the long line of Presidents of all parties who preceded him who had their own transgressions—at the end of the day, Clinton’s affair really hurt no one other than himself, his family, and Ms. Lewinsky and her family. McGwire, on the other hand, was being called to answer for behavior that was basically destroying the sport—behavior he had profited greatly from and behavior he was celebrated as a result of. Moreover, as I said above, he refused to man up when the time came.
Finally, on your other point, OF COURSE Rummy and Cheney should be tried and imprisoned. And OF COURSE Selig and Hicks and Orza and the rest of the bunch should be thrown out of the sport and held responsible. But the fact that they haven’t been doesn’t mean we have to go light on the actually people who committed the offenses.
A reasonable person could argue that it’s a lot harder to prosecute one person for “enabling” than it is to prosecute someone else for “participating”. Selig probably covered his ass six ways from seven, and there has been plenty of public and media condemnation of him and his gang’s behavior throughout all this. And while I won’t defend him (since he originally was telling congress to go f*ck themselves) any efforts he has since made to improve the climate in baseball—via more testing, adding more substances to the banned list and/or going public and naming names—any of these efforts were fought tooth and nail by Donald Fehr and the MLBPA.
So going after the enablers is complicated. But going after the actual perpetrators shouldn’t be.
Well reasoned
We’ll agree to disagree, but you’re a gentleman & a scholar!
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Great read.
I loved this quote especially:
And I do believe that Baseball was complicit — I’m blown away by the insincerity of baseball executives who say now that there was some sort of vague anti-drug rule on the books going back years. Irrelevant. Having a drug rule without any enforcement is pointless; it’s like the law in North Carolina that says that bingo games cannot last longer than five hours unless held at a state fair.
Steroids without a written prescription have been prohibited in MLB since 1991. Get your facts straight.
They were prohibited by the Players Association but they were not in the rules book of the game like say, a corked bat.
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just to clarify
Fay Vincent issued a memo in 1991 saying steroid use was not allowed, but there was no formal change in the rulebook. And there still isn’t a change in the rulebook today. Instead, as a condition to employment in the MLB, you agree not to take steroids or face certain penalties. This started in 2004 I believe. So when Sluggo says steroids are not against the rules because there were no rules, he’s technically correct because there is nothing in the rulebook about steroids. Semantically, it’s better to say that steroids is a banned substance.
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by birdman on Feb 10, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's really not that hard a choice.
That’s what the rest of the world does every day.
And before 2001, when he claims to have started doing steroids, Alex Rodriguez had made $11 million playing baseball. Are you telling me HE was going to have to go pump gas.
For those that don’t see the Alex Rodriguez payday, welcome to the real world. That’s why you went to college—baseball was never a guarantee.
My reaction isn't about Alex
There are plenty who would fit (and probably DID fit) that description.
So just what are the day jobs of the Craig Worthingtons’ of the world right now?
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Another quote, I'm afraid
“The whole revolution is about values. What you’d do with $10. What you’d do for $10…”
- George Carlin
Making compromises to get ahead in a chosen profession is hardly unique to sports. Colin Powell said things that no doubt made him cringe because he wanted to be (and remain) Sec. of State. And that’s why he waited until Oct. ’08 to say the things he SHOULD have said in Oct. ’04.
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So you're saying
that in life, rules shouldn’t matter as long as there are no consequences for breaking them? You understand everyone who cheats as long as there are no consequences for cheating?
that's not what I'm saying, and do you honestly think that I am?
What I understand is someone who works their entire life for something that .000001 percent of the population ever has a chance of achieving, and then finally getting there and people around him are taking performance enhancers left and right and being swayed. I understand feeling the pull of millions of dollars and doing something you absolutely love vs. the possibility of toiling in the minors and all you have to do is what everyone else is doing.
That of course doesn’t explain Clemens and A-Rod and Barry Bonds who would be elite players no matter what, and I do have a lot less sympathy for them. But these are people who spent their entire lives coddled, told they were better than everyone else, basically built to be egomaniacs.
No, it doesn’t make it RIGHT, as I stated above. Christ.
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My bad
And I say this without any snark: when you said, “why wouldn’t I do it as well”, I think I misunderstood you to be literal, not rhetorical.
I don’t personally understand it.
Temptation, easy money, yadda yadda. I suppose I can understand a player’s curiosity, I suppose I can understand that when baseball was looking the other way, and everyone else was doing it, it was easy to get caught up in it.
But I’d have a hard time looking myself in the mirror every morning. I’d have a hard time looking my kids in the eye. I’d have a hard time holding the glance of teammates who stayed clean and struggled by comparison tho those who didn’t.
also,
I don’t think this was about the big, bad government being out to get Rodriguez.
They went into offices and confiscated a spreadsheet. There were 104 names on the spreadsheet, including the ten they were after…not just A*Rod’s name. Lay the blame at the MLBPA for not destroying it or, at the very least, not having a different spreadsheet for the targets of the BALCO investigation.
Doesn't have to be "the government"
All it takes is one rogue, psychotically ambitious prosecutor with a high profile target in his sights, as a bunch of x-lacrosse players from Duke could tell you.
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by sluggo 2.0 on Feb 9, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In the interest of fairness
I’ll concede that the perennial “AAAA” player who actually cares about his internal organs not shutting down at 50 is indeed a victim here.
But everyone else in this story are varying degrees of bad. I just happen to think the Feds & most of the sportswriters are worse than the players. For example, one yammerhead wrote today in Newsday, “As far as I’m concerned, Bonds’ 762 home runs aren’t worth 350 of Babe Ruth’s.”
Oh really? Would those HRs of Ruth’s include ones hit off pitchers taking up roster spots that should have gone to superior black athletes? May be I’m reading too much into it, but much of the A-Rod coverage seems to be implying that steroids are the worst thing in the history of the sport and that any other problems (if they existed at all) were trivial in comparison. All part of the “war on drugs” mentality, which of course causes more damage than the drugs themselves, just as McCarthy destroyed more lives than domestic communists ever did.
Moving on, you cite ball players “breaking the rules”. I suppose so, but these were rules that were agreed to with the understanding that those test results would be destroyed. I don’t know who swerved the players on that one or why, but as I said, there are varying degerees of badness here, and this particular rat is worse than any player who took steroids
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I agree with zknower
Let’s say the cops raid a brothel and charge the madam and her girls. The ledger with all the johns’ names becomes part of the court record, and therefore open to scrutiny by the public. It seems to me it’s a direct parallel to this Balco case. No?
by mystery tramp on Feb 9, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
you know...
in this case, on the leaking point only….
It pains me to say it… I agree with Z also… the brothel example is a good one.
How could he be doing his job when he didn't throw me out of the game after the things I called him?
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by Birdland in NC on Feb 10, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Balco evidence
Looks like Judge Ilston is throwing a lot of it out.
Best baseball-related court decision since the 94-95 strike when Judge Sotomayor asked the owners “How many courts to you want to tell you you’re wrong?”
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Right
ARod only used PEDs AFTER he signed the biggest contract in history because he wanted deliver the goods to the fans.
Of course he didn’t use PEDs before when the only thing he had to gain was truckloads of money.
That’s credible.
In a 2007 60 Minutes interview with Katie Couric, Rodriguez flatly denied ever taking steroids. “For the record, have you ever used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing substance?” Couric asked.
“No,” said Rodriguez. “I’ve never felt overmatched on the baseball field. I’ve always been a very strong, dominant position. And I felt that if I did my work since I was, you know, a rookie back in Seattle, I didn’t have a problem competing at any level. So, no.”
LIIIIIAAAAAAAR.
As Michael said to Carlo
“Don’t tell me you’re innocent. It insults my intelligence and makes me very angry.”
Why does Couric seem to attract the sub-morons? Well, at least she didn’t ask him “what do you read?”.
Hey, I’ve explained why I think A-Rod is more (but not entirely) victim than villian. But to actively seek out an interview to peddle his bullshit? Eh, read my sig line. (;-)
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exactly
and Seattle had a lot play as well so I am not buying either.
And all these people that keep saying Griffey is clean should just not say it. I hope its true but good lord he has been hurt for a decade….I mean just saying it…and I wonder if Edgar Martinez wouldnt want an edge since it took him so long to get to the show…I really do hate this stuff because these reporters know they can make a name for themselves breaking these “stories”. I would like to see a current star active player come clean before they are cornered. Maybe it would stop some of this crap.
I hope its true but good lord he has been hurt for a decade….
Given the alleged healing properties of roids, that’s actually a sign that he’s not doping.
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I am no expert
but I thought the longer term effects of use was a breaking down of the body…
I find this the most galling
Rodriguez also told ESPN’s Gammons of his 2007 interview with Katie Couric on “60 Minutes,” when he denied ever using steroids, that “at the time, Peter, I wasn’t even being truthful with myself. How am I going to be truthful with Katie or CBS?”
That in the midst of his so-called apology, he can rationalize his lies.
That's pretty bad.
But I still find it worst that he apologizes for being innocent.
I hope his ligaments give out. I don’t wish injury on any player but for those that are doing it to themselves. Well, those who do it to themselves & then lie to my face about it on national TV twice.
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This is getting out of control. Can we trust anyone??
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See, I've lived by that philosophy for a long time
as a result, I’m rarely disappointed
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Well there have been some occasions
when the world has proven me wrong, but it’s never really made a habit of it.
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+1
How could he be doing his job when he didn't throw me out of the game after the things I called him?
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by Birdland in NC on Feb 10, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
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