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45312339_mediumI'm rooting for Hayden Penn. I honestly don't know what to think of him anymore, but I know that I'm rooting for him. Not just because he's an Oriole, but because he, at one point, was regarded as one of the best prospects in the Orioles system. Whether that's a praise of his talent or an indictment of the Orioles system as it was a few years ago, I don't know. I do know that he hasn't been given a fair shake between the normal injuries (shoulder and elbow issues) and ridiculous ones (impaled by a bat shard, appendicitis, tripping while carrying a box down the stairs). I know that despite the fact that he seems like he's been around forever, he's just 24 years old.


Penn is out of options. If he can't prove this spring that he belongs, these might be his last days with the team. He could pass through waivers, but that's certainly not guaranteed. Personally, unless he totally self destructs prior to Opening Day, I'd love to see him on the team. Even if he's not quite as successful as some of the other guys, he is still preferable to Mark Hedrickson or Danys Baez. Those guys have no future with the O's. Hayden Penn could, if he can get it together.

The Orioles and their fans are waiting eagerly for the time when Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, and the rest of the young pitchers are ready to come up and make a difference. Mark Hendrickson, Adam Eaton, and the other pitchers of that ilk are nothing more than placeholders (thank goodness). But if a younger guy like Hayden Penn can earn a place in the rotation and have any success at all, that is better for the future of this team. Sadly, the odds are that at least one of the big 3 won't pan out and if Penn can be serviceable, even at the back of the rotation, it will only mean good things for the team.

I'm not holding my breath. Penn has never had any success in the majors and his recent minor league statistics are nothing to write home about. So far this spring, Penn has pitched just two official innings and he looked pretty good doing so. I just shook my head when reading that despite pitching three strong innings today in an instrasquad game, he appears to have a blister or fingernail problem. Knowing his luck that'll keep him injured most of the year. Or maybe not. Maybe this is the year he finally stays healthy.

What do you guys think? Does he have a chance? Will he stay healty? Even if he does stay healthy, will he be any good? I know one thing, I believe in Hayden Penn enough that I put $1000 of my hard earned Camden Cash on him starting over 7 games for the Orioles this year.

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I suspect he'll make the team

Because he won’t clear waivers. But I also suspect he won’t finish the year with the team, unless it’s on the DL

by pipkin on Mar 3, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

The key to Penn’s season depends on whether he grows back his awesome porn mustache. I like Penn’s chances if he grows back the stache. Without it, not so much.

Serious Penn prediction: He makes the team as a reliever, gets some spot starts, is largely ineffective, is released/traded at the end of the season. I’m hoping Kranny can teach him a sinking fastball like JJ.

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by birdman on Mar 3, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Bullpen w/ spot starts

I’m really feeling that as his destination, much like JJ.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 3, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you guys think? I’ve always liked Penn, and I think he should be a tail of caution for the team when considering Tillman, Matusz and Arrieta. While they are highly regarded, pitching prospects fail most of the time. Just a few years ago our future rotation was Cabrera, Loewen, Bedard, Maine and Penn. And while Bedard and Maine have been very good, they aren’t in Baltimore.

Does he have a chance? Yeah, I think so. I think his biggest advocate is the manager, so hopefully he’ll get 20 starts. If he puts up, great, if not, well it wasn’t meant to be.

Will he stay healty? It would help if I threw away my Hayden Penn voodoo doll.

Even if he does stay healthy, will he be any good? I actually think so. I think he can post an ERA of 4.75 and he’ll reward those who still have faith in him. That or he’ll be adducted by aliens during a game.

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by dfa on Mar 3, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve always liked Penn, and I think he should be a tail of caution for the team when considering Tillman, Matusz and Arrieta.

I agree with your point, really, but these three are all FAR better prospects than Penn (or Maine, or Cabrera) ever were. These are blue chippers, not just the best of a horrid system.

I should qualify this with “I’ve never been crazy about Penn.” He was a B prospect before he started getting impaled and all this.

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by Scott Christ on Mar 3, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

You are right in your assessment in terms of Penn never being in the same class as Tillman, Matusz and Arrieta. Of the previous class of pitching prospects, I think only Loewen was a top 50 prospect of all those guys. Of course, it’s worth noting that the Orioles so aggressively promoted that Penn could’ve been a top 50 prospect because he was off to such a good start in Bowie.

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by dfa on Mar 3, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

actually...

penn’s numbers in the minors pre-unpleasantness are pretty solid in terms k/9, k:bb and WHIP. he is definitely not of the same breed as matusz, tillman, arrieta, but seems to compare favorably to olson, maine.

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by j.q. higgins on Mar 3, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Penn

Penn was #82 coming into the 2006 campaign. Here is the link for the individual top 100s. So I guess that puts him in the Arrieta range.

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by dfa on Mar 4, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if he ever will prove to be a solid ML starter, but I do know that I’d rather take the chance on him then a guy like Hendrickson who has pretty much proven he isn’t a ML starter and even if he does have a adequate season will be of no use to the Orioles of the future anyway.

Even if he can’t cut it as a starter, I would think a guy like Penn would have some use in the bullpen.

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Mar 3, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Hard to tell what to expect from Penn at this point

I remember him being up during the magic half of the O’s 2005 season, and while he didn’t do all that well I remember thinking he had big league stuff and just needed more seasoning. I agree that he’s definitely preferable to jerks like Baez.

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by NHZ on Mar 3, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Penn in the pen

The problem with putting Penn in the bullpen is it’s already stacked. There’s no room unless Baez or Hendrickson are traded or released. Plus, with Bergesen and Hernandez bound for the pen when they’re ready for the big show, what then? Sure, you want to have the strongest bullpen you can get, but at this point, he either makes it as a starter or he’s waiver fodder.

by Dr Orpheus on Mar 3, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

If it comes down to releasing guys, I’d rather release Baez or Hendrickson (I know he just signed).

And I believe both Hernandez and Bergesen have another year of options remaining, so if there isn’t a spot for them, then that’s not really a problem.

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Mar 3, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said it a few times over the offseason...

unless Penn’s spring numbers are absolutely horrible, the O’s should give him the #5 spot in the rotation. The kid has had horrible luck the past couple years, and I think he’s been trying too hard to catch back up. I think it could help if the O’s take the pressure off and just give him the spot (again as long as he doesn’t have a +6 ERA in spring training). It’s not like he’ll be blocking anyone or would hinder our chances of getting a playoff spot.

by edsachs1 on Mar 3, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

At the risk of taking up space, I would like to add my two cents. We will not win the AL East this year. We will not win the Wild Card slot. Use this year as a chance to let Hill, Penn, and Albers see if they can hold down a job. Treat them like Pie; put them on the field and see if they sink or swim. Baez and Hendrickson have zero chance of being in Balto next year, so why waste the innings on them.

by BaltoBen on Mar 3, 2009 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

I hope he gets a chance this year

I remember in 2005, I saw him pitch one of the few times he made it up to the Orioles, in a game in Atlanta. I’ve always followed him since then, and his career has been marked with such bad luck. I hope he’s able to make the team.

by cdavis627 on Mar 3, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

so, remind me again...

why hendrickson? i mean, does he have a guaranteed deal or is it an invite like eaton’s? i mean, if there’s a substantive difference b/w the two, i’m not hip to it.

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by j.q. higgins on Mar 3, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

fuck...

y’know? they probably could have had pedro for a little more.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

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by j.q. higgins on Mar 4, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If he wanted to come here

All indications are that he prefers the NL. Then again, if we’d made a good offer earlier in the offseason, he might have taken it by now. Hindsight is 20-20 and all.

by Brotz13 on Mar 4, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

take with a grain of salt

I know Trembley is Penn’s BFF, but color him impressed:

Baltimore manager Dave Trembley came away from the 5-0 intrasquad matchup comforted about three pitchers — Dennis Sarfate, Jamie Walker and George Sherrill — and raving about two others. Trembley said that Hayden Penn and Kam Mickolio distinguished themselves Tuesday, even if it wasn’t an actual game.

“I’ll be very careful to give him too much, too soon as far as praise is concerned,” Trembley said of Penn. “He needs to continue doing what he’s doing. He’s improved. He’s gotten our attention.”


Penn didn’t just dominate, he also worked through adversity. The right-hander experienced a blister on his finger midway through his start, but he didn’t let it derail his progress. Penn worked three innings and allowed just one hit, a double from Guillermo Rodriguez that came after he’d retired eight straight hitters.

And that kind of modest success — even in an intrasquad game — may go a long way. Baltimore has seen two early favorites for a rotation job (Rich Hill and Brad Hennessey) get slowed down by elbow ailments. And Penn, who hasn’t pitched in the Majors since 2006, can sense that there may be an opportunity for him.

“It’s easy to think about that, but I’m going to come out here and pitch my butt off,” Penn said. “If it’s not good enough, it’s not good enough. I’m going to come in, really try to make this team and show that I deserve to be here.”

Trembley, who also managed Penn in the Minor Leagues, said that the former fifth-round draftee is beginning to round into form. And he also said that Penn survived quite well after the blister took hold, pitching his final inning without throwing his breaking ball and getting by just fine with just his fastball and changeup.

Stacey, it sounds like the blister thing may have been minor—he probably just needs to get his hands calloused for lack of pitching! :)

by zknower on Mar 4, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Seems like the concensus theme

is that Hayden will indeed get a chance to prove himself at the back of the rotation this year. As mentioned above by many…why not? Sink or swim Mr. Penn.

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by sickuvitall on Mar 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

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