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Matt Wieters in Minor Leagues: How long?

I live near the Syracuse area.  Norfolk comes into Syracuse midweek from May 12-15th.  Being the huge Oriole fan that I am, I might try and catch a game or two, although it is during my finals week!  

Big question is:  Will Matt Wieters still be with Norfolk?  If he isn't, I might not even bother going to any games.  I am going to guess he still will be with the Tides by then.  Any other thoughts?

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He MAY be

That’s getting into the area of “Have we delayed his service clock and does he have anything left to prove” territory. There’s a distinct possibility he could be in Baltimore the day after we delay his service clock. Or, maybe they just park him in Norfolk for half the year. Depends on what Matt does in AAA and if he forcs the matter. If he hits the way he does last year, I might wait and plan to buy a walk-up ticket – he may not be there.

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by duck on Mar 9, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

you have to admit...

spring training, small sample set and all, isn’t makng the decision any easier.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Mar 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy's too smart

What’s the UPSIDE to bringing him up? 6 weeks with our next generation of pitchers wouldn’t hurt, either.

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by duck on Mar 9, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, i know...

but, STILL!

i’m totally down w/ the delaying the service clock plan.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Mar 9, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am too.

But there’s a completely irrational fan inside me that wants to cheer his name on Opening Day.

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by OEutaw on Mar 13, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early June

Barring injuries to our top 2 catchers.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 9, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

“top” 2 catchers… that was a good one.

There can only be one ZAUN!

by PWubbs on Mar 9, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I was the marketing director

I think I might start a campaign that goes like-O’s fans if we can sell another five thousand season tickets AM has consented to bring Matt up with the team, screw the arbitration clock.

I keep thinking back to Braun and he was brought up on May 24th. This was after he dominated the AFL in 2006, dominated spring training of 2007(although he made four errors) and dominated Triple A while the two Brewers playing third batted .214.

I use June 1 playing it safe and that assumes he is playing as if he belongs in the big leagues. If Zaun were hurt I dont think Matt would be called up. Its makes sense for him to be in Triple A for seasoning and economics and nothing really changes the equation, you just use someone else. Because if it was just about being the best player he would be here already.

by sanders833 on Mar 9, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

"In a couple of weeks or a month, I'll be excited about this team," Dawkins said. "I've got to get used to saying that -- I'm a Bronco." Then he paused. "I'll tell you one thing -- I'll always be an Eagle."

by exitfare on Mar 9, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Anticipation is Fun

The O’s now remind me a little of my older brothers talking about the O’s of the mid-70’s. I was a kid, but old enough to remember the talk about Dauer, Murray, Boddicker, Flanagan, etc. coming up from the minors. We know where these guys help take the team. It’s a long shot to see it again, but it’s fun to anticipate Wieters, Matusz, Arrieta, Tillman, etc. joining the likes of homegrown Markakis (and Roberts) for the nucleus of a decent team. I can wait for Wieters to spend an extra month or so in the minors and enjoy the current feeling of anticipation of better things. At least this time it seems like there is a chance.

by drj on Mar 10, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it's too long a shot

And there you have my peak optimism for the spring of 2009.

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by Scott Christ on Mar 10, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Weiters Up:

Matt will be up with the Major League team by mid season, if not before. So far, everything I’ve seen and heard about this kid, speaks for itself. He’s apparently of high quality character, which was on full display during a recent interview. Even though the interviewer was trying to pump him up, the kid just down played it all and just talked about how he just wanted to continue to get better every day and when the time came to move North, he’d crossed the bridge then. I came away with tremendous respect for the young man. Because we all know when your being labled as the next big thing on your franchise, it can be so easy to get swept up in it, but so far, the young man seems to have a pretty even keel about it all.

by mrvlous1 on Mar 10, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Actual dates?

Does anyone know what the actual date is that would delay his service time for a year? Here’s what I think I’ve figured out:

According to the collective bargaining agreement (this is all from Googling around, so I can’t vouch for the absolute accuracy of this) anything under 172 days doesn’t count as a year. The Orioles’ season begins April 6 and ends Oct. 4, which (I think) is a total of 182 days. So he only needs to miss 11 days to have this year not count — so he could be up April 17.

The other issue, though, is arbitration — a percentage of players with only two years of official service time (17% according to one article I read) are granted arbitration eligibility (Super 2 status) along with the three-year players, and the number of games that is the cutoff shifts a little depending on where that 17% cutoff actually is in terms of how much service time the actual two-year players have — usually it means two years plus something around 130 games. This would not effect the length of time the Orioles control Wieters, but it would definitely effect how much they pay him over that six years and the total amount of any long-term contract they might try to negotiate (since it would cost more to buy out that extra year of arbitration). If the Orioles wanted to do that, they’d have to delay his debut until some time around late May/early June (starting June 1 would put him at 126 days, I think).

Why, yes, I am procrastinating. How could you tell?

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Mar 10, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Longoria

Longoria debuted on April 12, after the season began on Mar. 31, so the Rays apparently did the first (delay his service time) but not the second (delay his arbitration).

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Mar 10, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worried about delaying arb

I am worried about service time. Not delaying arb means we pay him more for a year, delaying his service clock means we keep him FOR an additional year at that increased salary instead of him walking as a FA at the end of the year.

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by duck on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But supposedly TB already had his contracts in the works and were confident they would get it done. They didn’t have the need to keep him down at that point.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Mar 10, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Final thought

As people have said, the first seems like a no-brainer, since it barely effects the player’s time with the team — delay for less than two weeks and get a whole extra year? It’s silly not to do it, and I can’t imagine a player being that upset about it: you still get the big raise in arbitration, which somewhat offsets the delay of free agency.

But delaying arbitration is a much bigger deal for a smaller gain — you keep a (presumably deserving) player down for almost two months just to reduce his salary. I can’t imagine a player taking that well, since it seems both unmerited/unfair to his talent and cheap. You can make a case for it if the player isn’t lighting the world on fire in the spring or in the minors that first month, but with Wieters’s year last year and his spring thus far, it would be a pretty transparent move.

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Mar 10, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it's based on other first year players

I think it’s based on when a certain percentage of other first year players start. In other words, there is no set date. But I could be wrong.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Mar 10, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna call it:

Tuesday, April 21st vs. the White Sox. The Matt Wieters debut.

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by OEutaw on Mar 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds right to me.

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by duck on Mar 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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