In light of games like today, 12-1 Boston
and the ensuing "MBP or No MBP" discussion, I have decided to post a poll
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as I said before...
I never intended for it to be a given each day. Most days someone does go above and beyond. Every once in a while, everyone stinks and does nothing to deserve any praise what so ever. Being Birdland is too high an honor to bestow on someone being slightly less crappy than everyone else.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Apr 20, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're not saying they are the complete embodiment of all things Birdland.
We’re saying they’re more Birdland than those other assholes. It’s MOST Birdland, not THE Birdland. I think that even in bloodbaths like today, some element of Birdland remains, and should be recognized. I vote that we do it for every game.
"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis
by 2632 on Apr 20, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
It’s all about finding the bright spots, even in the turdiest of games. If that’s not Birdland, I don’t know what is.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Apr 20, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also voted that we do it every game
Even though I said in the other thread that maybe we shouldn’t have one every game.
I’m conflicted! It’s because those assholes make me so mad with their stupid swept selves.
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 20, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Dave
I voted know.
If you have to really rack your brains to figure out who was “most birdland”, then no one was birdland at all.
Birdland is many things, it’s a special word reserved for a certain giddy awesomeness that we feel when our crappy team defies expectations and does something glorious. It shouldn’t be sullied by some feel-good need to include every game, à la: “well, we have to make someone birdland, so which performance was the least shitty?”
For lack of a better comparison, let’s say Birdland = “great”. Well, NOBODY WAS GREAT IN THE BOSTON FINALE. So you can’t argue to me, yeah, nobody was great, but this award is technically about being more great than the others, so who had the least amount of suck? “Least amount of suck” is not equal to “more great than”. If no one is great, NO ONE IS GREAT. TOO BAD, TRY AGAIN TOMORROW. Birdlandishness has to be attained; it can’t be won by default.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 21, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You voted to know what?
Sorry, but I no your a fellow grammer natsi and cant tolerate stuf like that.
by punkrawka on Apr 21, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touché
with an accent aigu.
the sad thing is, that shit’s happening more and more often. i’m just getting too old, and the synapses don’t fire the way they used to.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 22, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty soon
you’ll be yelling at kids to “Get off your lawn!”
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Substituting “Know” for “no” is one of my most common typos. Weird…you’d think it would be the other way around, but know.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 22, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I no, right?
I do it, too. I wasn’t just trying to be a dick a second ago.
by punkrawka on Apr 22, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you weren't
i’d far rather be called out on it so i can remind myself to actually proofread next time
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 23, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is fucking horrible.
At least the pitching. Great game by Koji the other day, though
"In a couple of weeks or a month, I'll be excited about this team," Dawkins said. "I've got to get used to saying that -- I'm a Bronco." Then he paused. "I'll tell you one thing -- I'll always be an Eagle."
by exitfare on Apr 20, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have mixed feelings on this one. I voted for Hendo w/no regrets today, but then I thought that it made sense that there was no MBP for some complete train-wreck games.
But, we knew what we were going to get with the team this year, and despite a little bit of short-lived early season optimism: this is it.
Shouldn’t we try to find one good thing about every game?
I’m conflicted, too, though.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 20, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO
If there’s nothing good about the game, there’s nothing good about the game.
Should the FO try to find something redeemable about Adam Loewen? NO, THAT’S WHAT GETS US IN THIS MESS.
Just be honest about the actual product on the field, for chrissakes. Learn from your past. None of this “everyone has to get a ribbon for participating” bullshit.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 21, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z, I agree in principle, but now I’m going to argue with you.
I’m going to use a brief example from the Eagles to illustrate my point. Over and over, Andy Reid stresses “taking it one game at a time.” Fans, on the other hand, can look ahead all season to the big divisional games, the next round of the playoffs, etc. It’s just critical that that mentality doesn’t wash off on the players, but I think it makes it more fun for the fans to be checking playoff scenarios and stuff like that — they can’t help but get ahead of themselves.
With the Orioles FO and coaching staff, I don’t want them to be struggling to find something positive. “Well, Radhames, D-cab would have walked more guys than you” or “Ok, we’re closer to .500 than we were last year. Success!” I want them to be realistic, even if it’s behind closed doors.
But — I think it’s important that we as fans try not to get caught too much up in the negativity. The Orioles suck, the Orioles have sucked for many years, and the Orioles will likely continue to suck for the duration of this year and perhaps the short-term future beyond that (I am optimistic that the organization is being better managed now, though).
I think we as fans of this shipwreck have to latch onto the positives, otherwise it’s just too easy to get really negative. I mean, during one of the boston games, the a good deal of my total of my posting was repeating various forms of the f-word (I’ll try to lighten up the swearing, too.). I think it’s ok to look at an awful game like that and have fans say, “You know, Hendo was pretty good” or “That sucked, but Nick had a really good game” or even “At least they didn’t quit.”. If we don’t find some Birdland in every game, why are watching?
As long as the FO isn’t saying “We’re doing we’ll enough.”
(And I don’t mean to take this seriously on the level of an Athletics Nation subcommittee, it’s just a fun break from work to argue about this for a few minutes, and lately I’ve been thinking a lot about the relationship between fans and teams, since my wife’s writing a paper related to that, as well as people asking me “If the Orioles are so bad/make you so mad, why do you still watch?”)
I like having MBP either way, but it’s not critical to me.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing
if you get a game where pretty much everyone has sucked, trying to find the one who sucked least is very different from “most birdland” for me. it cheapens players who really WERE birdland on another day. like when luis hit the dinger last year.
making birdlandishness an every day requirement waters down its significance and also makes it become a bit of a drudge. it started as a fun, spontaneous cry of joy after special victories and is turning into a bureaucratic thing to check off. (and i mean no disprespect to dayzd, the spreadsheet is awesome—it just doesn’t need to be filled in every day). let being birdland be spontaneous again.
“If all the year were playing holidays,
To sport would be as tedious as to work;
But when they seldom come, they wished-for come,
And nothing pleaseth but rare accidents.”
— Henry IV, part I
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 23, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point.
Last year, “Birdland” was a rare moment of Oriole Ecstasy (available from your local unlicensed pharmacist)
This year, it means anything from “That exceeded my meager expectations” (Hendo’s pretty good outing) to “OMG that was the greatest Orioles game I’ve ever seen; The 2009 Yankees seem to be nothing more than gold-plated feces.” (My Drinking and Baseball Adventures on Opening Day)
I concede you the point, but at the same time, caution that we (by which I mostly mean myself) shouldn’t let ourselves get too negative, when expectations were so low.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 23, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no disrepect here...
I totally agree with you. I think it should be spontaneous… which is why I’m removing Hendo from Birdland. Having him there just ain’t right.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Hendrickson was April 20 MBP and I’m going to champion this cause forever. Adam Jones has a couple shitty blowout loss MBPs too.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 24, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes
But that doesn’t mean I’ll always vote for every game. Especially if I didn’t watch, and no stat line stood out, screw it.
by pipkin on Apr 21, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should have two votes for each game....
one for Most Birdland Player, and one for Least Birdland Player
by Chanumas on Apr 21, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Least Birdland Player
aka a “Loewen”
by Dingbat Charlie on Apr 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted Nope, for the same reason that I think there shouldn't necessarily be Oscars every year in every category.
Sometimes nobody deserves a Best Actor or Best Actress award over a 12-mo. period. And sometimes 2 people deserve each. I think the Academy is wrong to figure that they have to mechanically fill in one winner for every single category for every year. Hoffman gave a nice summary of this when he won, noting that he wasn’t necessarily “better” in his film than the actors he “beat” were in theirs. (And yeah, how many people think Richard Dreyfuss just whupped up on Laurence Olivier to take the Oscar for “The Goodbye Girl”? The only thing you can figure is a combination of Duddy-Kravitz-compensation and oh-Larry’s-already-got-what-15-of-’em? votes)
So yeah, I think there should be 0, 1, 2 or even 3 MBPs per game, and 0 should always be a voting option.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Apr 21, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some games should have a 'None of the above' choice
Like yesterday. The choice between the long reliever or the guy who drove in the only run is no choice at all.
AndHedges: soo... when do I get to throw a couple of pitches and complain about "tightness?"
by CoachOfEarl on Apr 21, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In an attempt to appease
the liberal “Everyone gets a trophy just for trying (even if they didn’t REALLY try)” point of view AND maintain the conservative “You only get a trophy if you actually did something to earn/deserve it” readership I have devised a sort of… Department for MBP Calculation Committee of Foreign Asset Affairs.
There will be no “No MBP” option on the polls. Instead, I will go back to the past several votes, come up with an average number of votes cast and from there devise a formula that calculates number of potential votes not used. If this number is higher than the highest vote-getter no MBP will be rewarded for that game.
Example;
(I’ll take the previous week’s worth of votes)
Say the previous week’s worth of votes were: Monday-150, Tuesday-200, Wednesday-100, Thursday-175, Friday-250, Saturday-350, and Sunday-190;
Average=202 votes per session.
Monday rolls around the votes go something like this: A-12, B-57, C-10, D-94… Total number of 173 votes.
202 Avg – 173= 29 unused votes. In this scenario D would win the MBP.
Changing the numbers a bit:
Monday: A-12, B-57, C-10, D-12… Total votes=91.
202 Avg -91=111 unused votes. In this scenario no MBP would be awarded
Does that seem fair enough? If you don’t believe in an MBP simply don’t vote. Obviously there are some flaws in this methodology, but it seems fair enough to me. Any gripes?
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 21, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
using this method...
The MBP for the 12-1 Disaster would be:
Hendo-65
Freel-41
Cesar-7
Albers-41
Total-154
Weekly Average before this game… 253 Votes
Potential Votes uncast, 253-154=99
Highest MBP Voter-getter, Hendo (65), therefore more people didn’t vote at all, than did vote for Hendo… NO MBP for that game.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 21, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow that's complicated
being Birdland sure does involve a lot of rules.
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 21, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're not the A's
I was told there’d be no math on this exam.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 21, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably just you taking a cheap shot, but....
“everyone gets a trophy for trying”? not a liberal point of view. it’s more the point of view of all the CEOs who feel they should get bonuses because of where they sit, not based on their performance. and i don’t need to tell you how those dudes vote.
in fact, the only overly protective parents i know who can’t seem to give their children a good strong NO are of the conservative stripe.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 22, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
n fact, the only overly protective parents i know who can’t seem to give their children a good strong NO are of the conservative stripe.
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just to be THAT guy
I’ll agree with z
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being allowed to succeed or fail on one's own merits -
is a philosophy that everyone seems to apply selectively
except the libertarians (;-)
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Apr 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, let's. :)
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 23, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s more the point of view of all the CEOs who feel they should get bonuses because of where they sit, not based on their performance. and i don’t need to tell you how those dudes vote.
They vote for whoever is going to let them KEEP their money after they get it, deserved or not. The view that they should GET bonuses either way has nothing to do with their personal conservative/liberal views. It’s up to the Boards of those Companies to decide whether or not they get bonuses in the first place and whether or not they deserve it.
In short, they don’t want their bonuses because their conservative, they vote conservative because that’s who, traditionally, is going to let them keep more of their bonuses.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, who's gonna be our #5 SP when Eaton gets sent out?
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was decided last night...
your daughter. however my 3 yr old could give it a go.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, she's the DH
Although she is throwing more strikes these days.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is becoming a lot less fun the more rules we keep trying to shove into it.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 22, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i miss the graphics going into the post game-recap every night.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 22, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he isnt
he was MOST Birdland. Hendo is very NOT Birdland though.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Apr 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I just meant for it to be a once a year thing. We vote once, its done. I say either add a no mbp or dont. too much extraniousness…
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Apr 22, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is for that game apparently..
the voters said so.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry about it too much. It’s more fun to argue about this than it is to work.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I caved.
I gave the MBP to Hendo.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 7:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Even though I think I voted for Hendo, it makes me cringe a little seeing the graphic. Maybe my eyes can tell me who is really birdland by seeing an image better than a statline.
Or maybe I’m just confused.
by Gorilla Bird on Apr 22, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, the more complex this becomes, the more I agree with me.
That’s why I get the big money, I guess.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Apr 22, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
None of the above
Or for you more eloquent posters ‘none of them assholes’
Its only democratic. Give the people a choice.
by b_duardo on Apr 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Voted no (know?)
But that doesn’t mean that even in a sucky game there can’t be an MBP. Yesterday I would’ve given it to Bass. But not for just sucking least, nah-uh.
by fishoutawata on Apr 23, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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