Orioles 10, White Sox 3: Off the schneid!
by SC on Apr 22, 2009 2:15 AM EDT
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I didn't actually get to watch tonight's game, but just following Brad Bergesen's MLB debut on Yahoo! GameChannel was kind of inspiring.
That probably says more about the state of Orioles' starting rotation than anything, because Bergesen was solid but not, like, phenomenal or anything. He went 5 2/3 innings, throwing 95 pitches (58 for strikes) and allowing four hits and three runs, with only one earned. He walked two and struck out four, and at the end of the day, he picked up the W in his first start in the big show.
Lou Montanez also got his first start of the season in left field, with Felix Pie moving to center for the still-gimpy Adam Jones. Ryan Freel, by the way, is now on the DL after the head injury he suffered in Boston. Montanez hit second in the lineup, going 1-for-5 with an RBI. He'll likely stay in the lineup until Jonesy gets back. Earlier Jones had been penciled in to start, so we'll see how long that'll be. Hopefully he at least can get some ABs while he's up, or else they might as well have kept him in Norfolk. It's not like Felix Pie (5-for-37 after tonight's 0-for-3) is lighting it up. He did walk tonight.
The stars tonight were Nick Markakis, who went 4-for-4 with with a double, three runs scored and two RBIs, and Aubrey Huff, who went yard twice and had three RBIs. Luke Scott also had three hits. The only Oriole that didn't get on base was Ty Wigginton, who was 0-for-5.
The bullpen shut it down tonight, too. Danys Baez got the O's out of the sixth with the final out of the inning, and then Chris Ray, Jim Johnson and Brian Bass threw a scoreless inning each. Johnson struck out the side in the eighth.
It was a fine bounce-back effort all around after the five-game losing streak, and it puts the O's back at .500 on the young season. Nothin' like a little home cookin'.
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Montanez: 1 for 5, bum, what did I tell ya.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Apr 22, 2009 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say this: For four years of watching Orioles prospects that either throw hard and don’t know where the ball is going (think D-Cab or Liz) or guys who throw soft and nibble (Burres and Olsen), it’s nice to see a kid that throws strikes, works fast and likes to challenge hitters. I loved Bergeson’s approach with Quentin on the third at-bat of the game – throw everything you got at major league baseball’s hottest power bat and play the odds. Better yet, expect success. What do you know? Twelves pitches and and your first K.
by Kooz on Apr 22, 2009 4:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough break for Luke on this vote.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Apr 22, 2009 4:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nicky was awesome
But I felt compelled to give it to Bergesen. If it weren’t for Wiggy’s error I think he would’ve finished the 6th clean and this would be a no-brainer. He pitched a little better than his stat line shows, even after you take into account the unearned runs.
I liked the way Bergesen controlled the pace of the game without seeming rushed. He never seemed to lose his compsure. And he challenged hitters with strikes (mostly) without leaving a lot of meatballs up there. I like the kid, hopefully this was more than a flash in the pan. He does have a small head though.
by punkrawka on Apr 22, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted for the Iceberg as well
NEW PITCHING IS BIRDLAND!
Particularly when it’s competent.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Apr 22, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Near-quality starts are the new birdland
Actually, 13 ground balls is birdland. Flex that upgraded defense!
AndHedges: soo... when do I get to throw a couple of pitches and complain about "tightness?"
by CoachOfEarl on Apr 22, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's so absurd.
and yet so right.
"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis
by 2632 on Apr 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was anyone else annoyed that Dave didn't let Bergesen finish the 6th?
One batter! He could have done it.
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 22, 2009 7:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He got away with one for the first out of the 6th
That was a LONG fly to center that Felix hauled in. Bergesen at that point was leaving the ball up a bit. I think he was done. If Wiggy hadn’t let that one slip by and elevated Bergesen’s pitch count, he could’ve made it 6.
by punkrawka on Apr 22, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides
I think maybe he wanted to give the kid a chance to leave to a standing O with a lead. We’d just gotten back in front, and he had no way of knowing that we’d put up a 10-spot.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Apr 22, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh you two with your logic
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 22, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw logic
I agree with you! If he had finished the 6th, then one fewer pitcher could have been used. (according to the whole, they don’t want Baez to sit down and get up more than once thing…or whatever)
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Apr 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trembley will answer your assertions now
per Roch:
Trembley said the pitch count had nothing to do with his decision to lift Bergesen with two outs in the sixth.
“I was going to get him out of the game without him making a mistake,” Trembley said. “You look up what numbers (Danys) Baez has against the hitter (Paul Konerko). I thought it was a no-brainer, a no-brainer.”
Konerko was 3-for-23 lifetime against Baez. Now he’s 3-for-24.
AndHedges: soo... when do I get to throw a couple of pitches and complain about "tightness?"
by CoachOfEarl on Apr 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
twice in one week?
and then there was davey two times, who earned that nickname for saying everything two times, “i though it was a no-brainer, a no-brainer.”
…ever since i was a little kid, i always wanted to be a gangster.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it a no-brainer, Dave?
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 22, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I voted for Huff
I mean, I thought I was gonna vote for Bergy, but then when I saw the list I had to go with Huff. That first HR was just beautiful.
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 22, 2009 7:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too
But this brings me to a bigger point. I think we are all often guilty of letting the real meaning of BIRDLAND get away from us. I mean, we all hoped Bergesen would do well, and he did, even probably exceeding our expectations, but our expectations are usually so low that meeting/exceeding them can hardly be considered Birdland. To me, BIRDLAND is harnessing the Orioles Magic, and I feel like Huff did that the most last night. I feel like there are fans of many other teams who would be able to shrug Begresen’s performance off, and say he just adequately did his job. Huff and Markakis went beyond the call of duty, and I think any fan of any team in any situation would be thrilled with a similar performance from any player. Yeah, I think that’s how I’ll decide my MBP votes from now on.
by Dr. J on Apr 22, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However...
you have to take into consideration the low expectations that being an Orioles fan entails. Many other teams would take the same view as you in MBP’age. But being Orioles fans, low expectations MUST be factored into Birdlandery. Having such low expectations makes it part of Orioles “lore” and therefore cannot be held against any Birdland vote. In a way, without low expectations we may not think any of these performances are Birdland… just another day at the park.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Bergs
I was at the game, and I thought about this (probably too much) on the 3 hour drive home. Huff had 2 hr’s, kakes was 4-4 with a BB, but Bergs got my vote because he is a sign of things to come. Give those numbers to Hendo and I really dont care THAT much, but this was kind of a start we can look back on as the beginning of the young guys actually making it to the bigs and turning it around. He didnt disappoint, and THAT is Birdland.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Apr 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call, but I went w/Bergie, it being a win in his ML debut and all.
If such a thing were possible, which it isn’t, it’s almost too much Birdland.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 22, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a nice problem to have
isn’t it?
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 22, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Luke has a pretty good night and only gets one vote. Poor dude.
by PhilR8 on Apr 22, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to be so upset when he reads this.
by kba26 on Apr 22, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok
Jesus will make it better. Or else Luke will just go shoot some shit. Whatever.
by fishoutawata on Apr 23, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough to pick just one
3 MBPs for me with 3 outstanding performances. In the end i went with Berg, because pitching has been nearly non-existent on the team lately.
by Johnny_S on Apr 22, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A good demo today of why MBP votes should be allowed for, say, 0-3 candidates.
And also allowed for AMBP or MUBP (Anti-Most Birdland Player, Most UnBirdland Player) or something— and not just on loss days. Last night we saw Hwigingggton, while the team was reveling in a horn o’ plenty, take an 0-5 collar plus an E-5. That’s pretty darn Bizarro Birdland, if y’axe me.
Frickin’ MLB.com didn’t give you any news about game time getting delayed (why, how long, prospects, anything), so I ended up big-screen surfing and came across “Zodiac.” Outstanding. Riveting story, ensemble acting as good as you’ll find. And y’know, living in SF proper in the 70s (Richmond district, west end of Golden Gate Ave.), I remember a lot of people were less concerned about street crime as such (muggings, burglary and the like) than about getting our heads sort of randomly blown off by Zodiac, the Symbionese Liberation Army (featuring Patty Hearst), or some other bunch of heavily armed nutbars. This film did a good job of conveying how strange it all was…
OK, Guts tonight. I’m psyched for a two-game streak. Dare we imagine that this could be a team of Three Adequate Starters and an Adequate Bullpen, featuring an Adequate Closer? With our Well Above Adequate hitting and High-End Adquate fielding, the magic 73 wins seems almost within our grasp.
Yeah, OK, it’s early in the morning, it could still be the drugs.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Apr 22, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to rain on your parade
but a hot half of a lineup does not a Well Above Adequate Lineup make, especially on a team that has to score 7+ consistently to have any hope of winning. I know I don’t need to remind that you that the entire left side of the field is producing bupkes, and is unlikely ever to improve. Sure, things SHOULD get better, when mora gets back, St. Wieters comes up and Pie goes back to the bakery whence he came, but that is all theory at the moment.
Still, the thought of 3 Adequate Starters does warm my heart.
by fishoutawata on Apr 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mancrush requires that I vote for Nicky if he is on the ballot… but only if he doesn’t NOT really deserve it.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a good thing Adam Jones, son! didn't PH
or I would have voted for him just on principle.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
140 votes?
Do we have 140 members on this site?
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Apr 22, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WAY more than 140 people registered to comment
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you even have to be be registered to vote?
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 22, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope.
{insert political corruptness joke/comment here}
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ness?
really? how about corruptION. geez.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subcommittee ruling on "corruptness": Thumbs up
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corruptness
corrupt
[Middle English, from Latin corruptus, past participle of corrumpere, to destroy : com-, intensive pref.; see com- + rumpere, to break; see reup- in Indo-European roots.]
cor·rupt’er, cor·rup’tor n., cor·rup’tive adj., cor·rupt’ly adv., cor·rupt’ness n.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Apr 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joke like...
Yes, but if you aren’t, ACORN can register you and your dead grandma for a nice kickback!
by punkrawka on Apr 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats low man, but a very solid point lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FEARtheTERP1 on Apr 22, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if your brother is the governor
He can just make sure that all those in certain demographic group historically unfavourable to you are prevented from voting
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Apr 22, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, she just tees them up
and you hit them out, don’t ya?
:)
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Well, shoot! Tell ‘em to stop on by. Nothing against you mugs, but I’d guess the majority of the posts I see are in the same pool of 30 or so users I see regularly.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Apr 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of lurkers/infrequent commenters registered here
Last year, when I posted about free “O” car magnets when I got extras at a game, I got more E-mails from people ID’ing themselves as lurkers or rare commenters, than I did from the people we all see every day. I think some people just like to get a daily fix of info/fan opinion here, which is fine.
by punkrawka on Apr 22, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
side note
ESPN’s gametracker is 10x better than Yahoo’s
by davidhusker on Apr 22, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know. I just don’t like supporting ESPN.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 22, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Been crashing WAAAAAAAAAY too often this season
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impressively winning your major league debut is Birdland
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 22, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Impressively winning?
Winning = Impressive
by fishoutawata on Apr 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 22, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1: '08 WS, '06 WS, Florida 2000, '82 Big Game -- long list...
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Apr 22, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was such a nice game to attend
Even if we did have to wait nearly two hours for the game to start and didn’t get home until after midnight.
Felix Pie, man, I am falling in love with him. He keeps on wearing those high socks and he had a great catch last night against the wall. He’d totally be my vote for birdland if he got even one hit, and if he was put on the ballot as a joke.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really?
that catch made me nervous. i’m probably biased, but i thought it never would have been in question w/ the good doctor. that ice cream cone catch montanez made had me on edge, too.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 22, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had to run pretty far to make it
and I’m pretty sure he either hit the wall or he had to be AWARE of the wall. I know that it was the best looking play of the game, I totally started shouting “HIGH…..SOCKS”
Adam Jones could have made it look easier, but that is the nature of Adam Jones. He was front and center in the dugout for most of the night in uniform.
During the long rain delay, ZAUN spent the entire time in the dugout tarring his bat. Kranitz come in, had a conversation, with the coach doing most of the talking. Shortly after he left, Andy had a real long conversation with ZAUN, with ZAUN doing most of the talking. If the lower bowl wasn’t closed for the delay, I would have tried to shout over at him, ask him what the hell they’re talking about.
Andy and ZAUN talking can only lead to good things.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May have been a long run
But it didn’t look like a ball that any other CF wouldn’t have gotten to. If he didn’t flail around and misjudge it a few times, he would have been there 2 or 3 seconds before the ball.
So far, he’s managed to make a few routine plays look far more difficult than they had to.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 22, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'd have to agree
I swear, when the pitcher is setting up and all the position players dig in, you have Pie stalking around like some sort of pathetic predator. He’s like.,..a heina or something.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 22, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Pie
When the Sox leadoff hitter was up did you notice how shallow he was playing CF? It was cracking me up. It looked like he was positioning himself for when I come up to bat in my co-ed softball league.
"I think it’s shocking that the Baltimore Orioles are off to a 6-2 start this year, considering they are managed by TJ Hooker."
by Stacey on Apr 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been watching AJ too much
Took AJ most of last season to figure out how close he could play, and even this season, one or two have gotten over his head.
Pie needs to adopt a more-mainstream positioning in CF. He’s not supplanting AJ, so there’s no need for him to get cute out there.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
by duck on Apr 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far, he’s managed to make a few routine plays look far more difficult than they had to.
So what you’re saying is he’s our version of Jeter?
by Gorilla Bird on Apr 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda
but Pie REALLLY doesn’t look good out there. Jeter is always kinda EXCUDING CONFIDENCE
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 22, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Stabbing at the ball at the very last second doesn’t instill a lot of confidence for me.
There are only so many times that I can buy the wind being that large of a factor.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 22, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see...
this is waht i also thought of the montanez catch. a decent left fielder would’ve judged the ball better off the bat, right? i think pie maybe trusts his physical skills too much or maybe they’re all just ruined by watching how effortless markakis and the good doctor make things look. i dunno.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what your saying is we need to get rid of nick and adam.
i like that kind of outside the box thinking.
by kba26 on Apr 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
too many positive role models on this team.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll just put Adam Eaton in in the OF.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jk
I was actually just trying to make an off-hand knock against Jeter, I didn’t see the game since I live in NC.
by Gorilla Bird on Apr 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 22, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's BergesEn, dude
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Apr 22, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw
poor dude gets his first Birdland and his name is spelled wrong.
On behalf of the school, let me introduce Mr. Issah Thompson…
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Apr 22, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel for the dude.
Happened to me a lot.
"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis
by 2632 on Apr 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on it.
Have to wait til lunch to change the graphic, but it’s right on the MBP Page.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Apr 23, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God
You said Bergie, now I am never going to see him again without thinking “Bergielicious.” I am NOT advocating this as a nickname, but it is in my head and I had to unleash it on the world.
by punkrawka on Apr 22, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate to say it...
but i’ve been having similar thoughts, though mine concluded w/ free associating his nickname into “the duke.”
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 23, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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