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I went to Citi Field today

Please consider the below remarks my off-the-cuff and highly subjective review of the park. Oh yeah, the Mets lost, but it was a good game. Hayden Penn did not pitch for the Marlins, which was disappointing for me and the firend I went with (he's also an O's fan). I'm not giving letter grades or anything, just impressions.

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First Impressions: So, as you may have heard, they have this replica of the facade of Ebbets Field as their main entrance. Once you enter that, which they call the "Jackie Robinson Rotunda," you are faced with a bunch of mural-sized photographic enlargements of various non-Yankee New York baseball moments (mostly stuff from the Mets). There are also retail opportunities, I think. There are always retail opportunities these days. My impression of all this, honestly, was not very high. The photos are accompanied by lame on-word catchprhases like "Commitment" and "Excellence" and "Community," which just struck me as corny and inspirational-poster worthy. The photos themselves, as well as the architectural quotation of Ebbets and the naming of the thing after Jackie Robinson (who was never associated with this particular franchise) just struck me as an obvious and cynical ploy to grab all the non-Yankee baseball history in the city, despite the fact that those other two franchises still exist and presumably have plenty to do with their own history. Now, maybe I'm wrong on this, being an outsider. I'd be perfectly willing to admit that I'm wrong if a bunch of baseball fans from Queens and (especially) Brooklyn feel that the Mets are the legitimate inheritors of the non-Bronx baseball legacy in the city.

The Field: The other reviews that complain about the outfield wall being gimmicky are right. The fence does this weird undulating-looking thing that bears no relation to the parking lot the field sits in. It's like that little corner of the right field corner of OPACY on crack. It was really distracting, though its presence did lead to three triples in the game, which was exciting. Overall, though, it seems like Populous/HOK may have fallen into self-parody or the Wilpons asked for a bunch of dumb stuff. Or both. Also, the sight lines don't seem great. I was in a $69 "Excelsior" (read: club-level) seat and had to look at a TV monitor to see what happened on a couple of balls hit into the left-field corner. If I'm dropping that kind of coin I kind of expect to see the whole game.

Concourses: Snazzy. Wide open, you can see the field from them. I approve. Also the club-level has these super-ritzy bars that I didn't avail myself of because I already dropped all this money on the ticket and I have papers to write tonight. But if I was a corporate dude looking to get tanked and drive my beemer into a wall on the LIE, I'd sure love to do it at Citi. Due to NYC law (I think) the whole thing is non-smoking, which is fine with me but strikes me as kinda shitty for smokers. Oh well. It made the walk to the 7 train rather smoky, besides.

Electronics/Gadgetry: I was in the club level, so I can't speak for the whole stadium. But there were TV's with the SNY feed that let you check that stuff out. The out of town scoreboard is prominent and fairly easy to read, and even tells you what uniform # is pitching for each team, as well as runners on base and outs. The runners on base are green lights and kind of hard to see during the day. Oh well. There were a TON of speakers overhead for the stadium music. It was too much. The music was too loud (maybe I'm just old). Luckily, the music overall was less obtrusive than at OPACY, with a lot of traditional-sounding organ music. They did do some weird stuff like play an O.A.R. music video before the game (those dudes are from Montgomery County! And they stink!), but overall the aural experience would've been fine if it wasn't too loud. Oh, also, their scoreboard race was between a forklift and a light truck because it was sponsored by some equipment rental company. Weird. No Thank God I'm a Country Boy, obviously. They play New York State of Mind after the game, which I thought was a dumb attempt to be like the Yankees. But maybe other people actually like that horrid song.

Food: Citi has gotten a lot of pub for being foodie friendly. I had a Nathan's dog and a Super Pretzel. They both tasted like they always do, though the condiment bar was cool. In addition to NYC deli mustard they had those onions in sauce that you get at the street carts, plus sauerkraut. I hear the beer selection is good. I didn't drink, like I said, so I can't comment. I'll go over the summer and get hammered, I'm sure. Prices seemed reasonable for any non-Yankee team you'd expect to go to. Cheaper than Fed Ex, too! heh. They very prominently serve Dunkin Donuts coffee, which is kinda weird in NYC, but whatever.

Other Stuff: The 7 train makes it easy to get to, and my friend (who drove from Philly) didn't complain about the traffic or parking or anything. The bathrooms were clean and had these nifty futuristic-looking urinals. Ushers and food people seemed friendly enough. Some more than others. The usual.

The baseball: The Mets are kinda crappy and National League ball is dumb. Jose Reyes lead off with a triple and Jerry Manuel called the safety squeeze with Alex Cora, who he for some reason thought would be a good chocie in the two hole. *rolls eyes*

Conclusion: The park is fairly expensive, though I dunno what the cheapest seats are like. When I agreed to go to the game I didn't realize what kind of tickets he had. Oh well, it's only money. It seems like a nice enough park, but the attempts at uniqueness just seemed like bland simulacra. It's a very corporate park with little heart. It wasn't full. Maybe about 3/4, which doesn't seem too bad for a chilly (60ish degrees) afternoon in April. Overall it struck me as a kind of mallpark-lite. A perfectly pleasant place, but, befitting its location, kind of featureless.

 

PS - I saw two people wearing face masks in what I assume was an attempt to prevent swine flu. Americans are so stupid.

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What a great diary. Recommended.

Thanks for such a thorough, entertaining, and opinionated look at the new park.

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There are also retail opportunities, I think. There are always retail opportunities these days. My impression of all this, honestly, was not very high. The photos are accompanied by lame on-word catchprhases like “Commitment” and “Excellence” and “Community,” which just struck me as corny and inspirational-poster worthy. The photos themselves, as well as the architectural quotation of Ebbets and the naming of the thing after Jackie Robinson (who was never associated with this particular franchise) just struck me as an obvious and cynical ploy to grab all the non-Yankee baseball history in the city, despite the fact that those other two franchises still exist and presumably have plenty to do with their own history.

Bingo.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on Apr 30, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the write up

I love hearing about different parks.

I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Apr 30, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice writeup

I’m definitely going to check out Citi field some time this summer, although it’s a pain to get there from Brooklyn.

I’m boycotting New Yankee Stadium for at least this year because I refuse to put a penny in Steinbrenner’s pocket.

by dkdc on Apr 30, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I really don't think it's that hard to get to

I just take the G to the 7, though. If you don’t live on the G it probably is kind of a pain.

Hah! For once the G is useful!

by pipkin on Apr 30, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't live on the G

And one of the many mysteries of the G is that it doesn’t link up with any of the lines that it crosses near flatbush (B, Q, D, M, N, R, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc).

My fastest route to Flushing is through midtown, and it takes about an hour.

by dkdc on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

what train are you on?

if you have an unlimited card, the above-ground xfer to the G at Lafayette is pretty easy. It’s like a block and a half away, which is a lot shorter than some underground xfers. Heck, even if you don’t have an unlimited card, it’d be worth the $2 to avoid going through midtown. Although the G is so slow it might not make any difference.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on Apr 30, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The G to 2/3 xfer at Hoyt-Schermerhorn is fine, too

Only about two blocks. I used to use that to get to my friends’ place in Prospect-Lefferts before I realized the B43 is faster.

It actually took me about 45-50 minutes door-to-door to get there from Greenpoint, so that’s really not that much more difference than the midtown thing you have to do. Especially since the G to 7 is an above ground transfer (the 7 being above ground) and the MTA closed all the close exits and makes you walk 2+ blocks. Because they’re jerks. Either than or they’re doing construction to make the transfer easier. God forbid they keep us up to date with what’s going on…

by pipkin on Apr 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

O.A.R. is an abomination.

I revoked their Marylander cards a long time ago. Right after they released “Hey Girl”.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Apr 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

O.A.R. does suck

but NY State of Mind most certainly does not. Not even a little bit.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Apr 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's better than "New York, New York"

I’ll give it that. It’s my second least favorite Billy Joel hit, after The Entertainer. Actually, make that third. “We Didn’t Start the Fire” is lame too.

by pipkin on Apr 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leningrad

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on May 1, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is

That playing New York State of Mind after a baseball game just reeks of the Yankees.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mets

are inheritors to the non-Yankees NY baseball traditions. Particularly in Brooklyn and Queens. It’s not an exact science or anything, but plenty of people, entire families even, who would never consider cheering for the Yanks after the Dodgers and Giants left town, got on board for the Mets.

It’s like the Ravens and Colts. My stepdad grew up a Colts fan and would never in a million years consider cheering for the Redskins, but he is a huge Ravens fan now.

by Jonny Pops on Apr 30, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I can see that

And that was certainly the intention when the Mets were brought into existence, what with the Dodger blue and Giant orange in their uniforms. Heck, they even played at the Polo Grounds until Shea opened. The gripe that I’m picking up on is that Citi Field goes so overboard in honoring the Dodgers and Giants, etc. that it seems like it’s neglecting the team that actually plays there. That’s just my perception.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Apr 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah.

I mean the Mets have won two World Series. And they certainly recognize that. But they’ve got 40 years of history to draw on now. The Ebbets field thing is just too much.

by pipkin on Apr 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you.

The thing is the whole “history” of baseball has been so much in vogue now for years on end – and The Mets are stuck competing with the team in The Bronx with, arguably, the richest history. So they’re stretching. But that’s what they always do. They’re The Mets.

by Jonny Pops on Apr 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS – I saw two people wearing face masks in what I assume was an attempt to prevent swine flu. Americans are so stupid.

Wearing a mask to prevent an airborne pathogen is quite stupid, but if we are judging intelligence by the amount of masks worn by citizens of any one country, then Asians are mentally retarded.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

they were of asian descent

seriously. i dunno what it means, but they were.

by pipkin on Apr 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprising

Their governments have convinced them that wearing pieces of cloth over their noses is going to protect them from the flu.

The people at the game were likely Asian-Americans, but I guess it’s a cultural thing in some way to be meticulous and/or as cautious as possible, irrespective of the actual facts.

Great writeup, by the way; I expected the Mets’ stadium to just be a (relatively) cheap alternative, but this just confirms my preconceived assumptions.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on May 1, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's actually common in asian countries

to wear a mask if YOU are sick. to prevent your germs from going to others.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on May 1, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

In various Chinatowns I've been to

I’ve seen the face masks — it’s quite common.

But outside of this, I do think that Americans are pretty stupid overall.

"In a couple of weeks or a month, I'll be excited about this team," Dawkins said. "I've got to get used to saying that -- I'm a Bronco." Then he paused. "I'll tell you one thing -- I'll always be an Eagle."

by exitfare on May 1, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i knew masks used to be a big thing in chinese cities

because of smog. i dunno if they still use them for that

by pipkin on May 1, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thx for this post, Pip, I sent it around to various potentially interested parties, all of whom enjoyed/profited from it

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on May 11, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

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