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Somewhat OT: Maese, Ordine, Steele, Everyone Laid Off

No joke, the Sun purged almost a third of the newsroom.  David Ettlin's blog post is a must:

http://ettlin.blogspot.com/2009/04/baltimore-sun-massacre.html

On Ordine and Maese:

"Sports reporter Bill Ordine had his tickets and reservations to cover the Kentucky Derby on Saturday, but instead was packing up his desk Wednesday afternoon. Reached by phone, Ordine said he had been expecting to cover the race but was not surprised at the sudden change in plans because 'I was pretty low on the [Newspaper] Guild seniority list.'

"A longtime sportswriter in Philadelphia, Ordine came to the Baltimore paper as an assistant city editor before going back to his specialty and a Guild- jurisdiction job. His byline topped the lede story, on horse racing safety, in Wednesday’s sports section.

"Below the fold of the morning newspaper was popular sports columnist Rick Maese. With the Los Angeles Angels in town, Maese was writing about the team’s Western Maryland-raised pitcher Nick Adenhart, whose anticipated return would never happen. Adenhart was killed in a car accident three weeks ago, hours after pitching his first game of the baseball season for the Angels. It may have been Maese’s last column in The Sun.

"Wednesday afternoon, Maese was back at work at Oriole Park doing an interview when he got the news of his layoff by telephone, according to accounts from colleagues at the newspaper."

The coverage here is also worth a look:

http://baltimorebrew.com/

Includes the memo everyone got.  "These decisions are always difficult, we regret the impact, blah blah etc."

The Sun published a small item about the bloodletting in it's business section.  It's not very informative, but what are they supposed to say?  I'm a little surprised, frankly, that anyone was left to write it.

This is all pretty profoundly sad, to my way of thinking.  I like blogs as much as the next guy, but I don't think they do what print journalism did in its heyday in terms of having the resources to dig and hold people accountable.  I don't think anything does that nowadays and that's a dangerous loss.  I don't see any reason to believe print will recover, although I wish it would.  Meanwhile I'm just sorry for everybody who's out, and really, for everybody who's still in as well.

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Very sad. Without professional jounalists, who goes and gets the information we talk about on blogs?

Blogs are great, but bloggers don’t interview the players and managers, etc.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Apr 30, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

pretty soon

we’ll be wholly reliant on Roch to provide us with our sports info.

I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Apr 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is an employee of the club he covers

Let’s not forget that.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Blogs are great, but bloggers don’t interview the players and managers, etc.

Not yet.

Sports journalists aren’t just going to disappear; the writers aren’t the problem, print newspapers are.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

mostly

But some writers are mostly certainly awful. The inability of the newspaper industry to keep up is unfortunate, but it’s the price of progress.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Apr 30, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have always been bad writers

I don’t know, I just feel like people are overlooking the fact that the business of professional journalism is just evolving, not dissolving.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blogs are great, but bloggers don’t interview the players and managers, etc.

Some do. We’ve been down this road. It’s always “erm not yet” more than anything. If there’s no one in there to interview anybody because everyone but Roch and Peter Schmuck get laid off, maybe.

I hope these guys all find a new outlet, and surely they will. Roch went from a newspaper to MASN’s web site, essentially, and he’s as important as he’s ever been. Journalism is just changing; guys that worked their ass off for degrees and covered high school field hockey will always have a leg up on nerdlinger bloggers like me, and they should.

by Scott Christ on Apr 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Your Bra Bomb better work, nerdlinger!"

"If you had Steve Trachsel's stuff, you wouldn't want to throw it either." -- Joe Angel

by Fear and Trembley on Apr 30, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blogs are great, but bloggers don’t interview the players and managers, etc.

The AP will always be around for interview quotes.

I’m reacting, to my surprise, with such indifference to the latest cuts at the Sun. I used to read it regulary now I hardly do. I might glance over a few stories in the O’s section once a week, but that’s about it. There’s so much other great content on the web that the Sun has become an afterthought. I much rather read fangraphs, rob neyer, keith law, or the comments on baseballthinkfactory. And then there’s robothal and jayson stark for “rumors” and interviews with scouts, not to mention mlbtraderumors.com. For a game summary, I just a need to see the box score and frankly the game summaries here are just as good as the Sun, if not better (kudos to the SC, stacey, or whoever else, the game summaries here have been quite good. Keep it up).

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be so sure about the AP

LOST of newspapers are giving the required 2 years notice that they will leave teh AP – simply charging too much for materials more and more newspapers don’t want to print. The days of “world news’” being on the front page of any market smaller than DC and NYC may be over.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/26/22352/7383

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got that right

Newsday, which is based on Long Island, just 30 miles east of the City used to almost as good as the NY Times at covering world & national events, without the obnoxious self-importance of the Times.

Now all you get from Newsday is coverage of local murders & yammering about property taxes.

No doubt there’s much rejoicing in Kosland, but I want the old Newsday back.

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Apr 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOST of newspapers are giving the required 2 years notice that they will leave teh AP

I would imagine they’ll find new subsribers among on-line content providers (e.g., yahoo, google., Huffington Post, etc.), but maybe you’re right, they’ll go down as well. I’m guessing they’ll survive along with a handful biggies like the New York Times, but I’m not sure. I’m probably in the minority, but I can’t say I’ll miss local coverage all that much. Players and managers give bland quotes and I can get the game summary from the box score. Speaking of bland interviews. Easy E gave an interview on XM radio. He was surprisingly talkative, at least for Erik.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

they do for some teams

the Caps give bloggers credentials. I work for an online-only sports news site (not really a blog) and I’ve had credentials to the Caps home games since ‘06-’07. There are probably 5-10 blogs who had credentials this year.

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by CStoneNo37 on Apr 30, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NHL is very progressive in this regard. VERY progressive. SBN blogs are featured on NHL.com.

by Scott Christ on Apr 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unreal

They even laid off the photgraphers. It feels like I’ve seen Liz Malby and Doug Kapustin’s bylines on every Orioles photo for years.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Apr 30, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

but I don’t think they do what print journalism did in its heyday in terms of having the resources to dig and hold people accountable.

Again, I’ll have to disagree.

Going online will make the material accessible to more people, and although this may lead to an increase in sensationalism, I think interviewees will still be held just as accountable because of the increase in circulation.

The power of the media is increasing every single day as the world becomes increasingly more digital; these guys aren’t going away.

The decline of newspapers hurts me as much as the next guy, but really, it’s nothing but nostalgia.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

This is ridiculous

As an out-of-towner, if it weren’t for the internet, I couldn’t tell you what the name of the Baltimore newspaper was. Because of the internet, I read the sports section every day during baseball season and many days during the off season. I guess I’m the problem, ripping off the paper as a non-paying customer.

(A large media company like the Trib is uniquely positioned to sell an online subscription service that covers many different markets. I would be willing to pay (a small amount) in order to read online news content, but only if it covered a wide range of sources and subjects. IOW, I wouldn’t pay for one newspaper, but I would for a lot of them. )

Because of their inability to transition from selling ink stained pages to just the information on them, the source and quality of that information are going to go seriously downhill. This isn’t just about jobs, it’s about information consolidation. While what a blogger writes might be interesting and sometimes more in-depth than what a Guild writer would produce, a microscopic percentage of them actually get information from the source. Sometimes they are a source, but most times they don’t even know what the real source is. (Oh, here’s a link on boingboing, which got picked up from slashdot, which found it on Bob’s ranty blog)

Unfortunately, monetizing the internet involves flashing classmates ads, fake IQ tests, and other garbage. The advertising model on the internet fucking sucks, and I can say that from experience. I’m going to go click a bunch of ads that I have no idea of buying anything from or even paying any attention to in protest.

"Honestly, I get tired driving 26 miles. I couldn’t imagine running it." -- Huffy

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah
This isn’t just about jobs, it’s about information consolidation. While what a blogger writes might be interesting and sometimes more in-depth than what a Guild writer would produce, a microscopic percentage of them actually get information from the source.

This is what troubles me the most about what’s happened to the Sun. Not having the resources to press people and dig for stories when it comes to sports news is just irritating. Not having those resources when it comes time to cover serious decisions that affect people’s lives, that’s scary. Or maybe no one would want to read it anyway?

"If you had Steve Trachsel's stuff, you wouldn't want to throw it either." -- Joe Angel

by Fear and Trembley on Apr 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not having the resources to press people and dig for stories when it comes to sports news is just irritating.

The Sun has human interest stories (e.g., a bio on Wieters talking to high school coaches, college coaches, etc.) that I might miss but I think MASN.com will give us the daily stuff that we really need from O’s sources, namely, injury updates and line up announcements.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine for sports

But when it comes down to more important things like politics, crime, etc, you really need as many watchdogs as you can get.

I don’t know about Baltimore, but living in New Orleans, as corrupt as our politicians are, they fly in the face of the electorate and think that it’s their right. If it wasn’t for our local reporters constantly digging up dirt on the administration, exposing just how terrible the pols here are, things would be even worse.

"Honestly, I get tired driving 26 miles. I couldn’t imagine running it." -- Huffy

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 30, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s fine for sports. But when it comes down to more important things like politics, crime, etc, you really need as many watchdogs as you can get.

Oh yes, completely agree. I try to keep my comments focused on baseball given the context.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with you.

I try to keep my comments totally away from the political arena but without a free and open press with enough resources to investigate this could get ugly. I thought long and hard about supporting Baltimore and trying to keep the paper but I have cancelled my subscription. Mainly because I have a feeling the Chicago crew will pull the plug on the Sun and somehow a new avenue of resources will be developed and a new paper for Baltimore and Maryland will emerge. This could be a good thing but it may take a couple of years to happen.

"They are who we thought they were"-Dennis Green

by Baysox39 on May 1, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not having the resources to press people and dig for stories when it comes to sports news is just irritating.

in addition to MASN.com, mlb.com has an O’s beat reporter.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But MASN is owned by the O's

HUGE conflict of interest. Sure, we’ll get Wieters in HS stories, but where’s the source of the next “Why did Davey Johnson REALLY quit” story? It won’t be Roch Kobatku, I can guarantee that.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

but where’s the source of the next "Why did Davey Johnson REALLY quit" story? It won’t be Roch Kobatku, I can guarantee that.

Robothal and Jayson Stark live for these type of stories. And i think they’re quite competent at these type of stories.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they'll be too busy

reporting on Regular Season Game 14 of the MFY and PHN.

Seriously, the Warehouse could burn down and take 17 orphaned children with it and it wouldn’t be on SportsCenter until :57 after. And if it happened in PIttsburgh? Never happened.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The words “too busy” does not exist in Robothal’s vocabulary.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on May 1, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that just about does it for me with The Sun. I know that some of the names mentioned for the sports layoffs aren’t among the most popular here, but I usually found something worth reading in them.

Rick Maese was an enjoyable read when he wasn’t trying too hard to be funny – and was the only columnist within 5 years of age of myself (well, not that I know how old he is, but he looked young). Amidst the writings of David Steele I found an interesting window into things that, growing up in white suburbia, I’ll simply never know from personal experience. Bill Ordine had such a wide range of experience that the stories he could tell were varied and interesting. Even Ray Frager, whose Mr. Flip persona was ridiculously stupid, got the axe – but his sports media-focused stuff was actually pretty cool, a roundup of amusing gaffes and tidbits on broadcasts.

I mean, you open up an actual print copy of the sports section now and there’s basically nothing in there but ads. The box score’s shrunk as much as they can manage, every other baseball game plus standings are squeezed onto one page. They have cut all the stuff I found worth reading, and now even some of the more interesting blog contributors are out too so why even go to the website? It has nothing to do with sports, but the “You Don’t Say” blog of professional pedant John McIntyre was something that always made me think. I am armed with more knowledge about language for having read it.

Baltimo is probably right that a lot of the pain is simply for the sake of nostalgia. Most of us grew up reading the newspaper for our sports fix or whatever else and that’s pretty much gone in the digital age. It makes me sad to think of how I’d pore over the box scores while eating breakfast before school and that experience will basically never be duplicated by kids any more.

It’s sad too because for those of us who are locals, it’s yet another declining Baltimore institution. I mean, people gave some crap about the fifth season of The Wire because it was like Simon’s hatchet job against the Sun, but it was also true, and stuff like this shows it. Telling people they’re fired while they’re covering a baseball game? I mean, come on. You could be proud of The Sun in its heyday – its look at not just Baltimore but the rest of the world too. Now it’s all just AP or NYT wire stories I can read in any paper anywhere, with a very small number of exceptions.

What bugs me about it even more, though, is that there’s surely a legitimate case to be made for streamlining. Yesterday’s Orioles game, a Wednesday afternoon game with an announced paid crowd of 14,203 had at least six people there from The Sun. I base this on comments that “three writers and a photographer” at the game were laid off – plus Schmuck (blogger) and Zrebiec (game story) and probably at least one more I don’t know about who were not laid off. From the outside that sure seems like a relatively charmed life. I guess it had to come crashing down sooner or later.

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Apr 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

From the outside that sure seems like a relatively charmed life.

I’m sure it was hell for many of these guys because, as you mentioned, their layoffs were pretty much inevitable considering the Tribune’s stance and the current state of the Sports Section.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And newspaper reporters don't make much.

Trust me, I know.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Roch's blog
I was sitting next to Rick Maese and behind David Steele when they received the news – on their cell phones. Unreal. Or surreal, as you put it. Very depressing day. And I’m friends with many others who were let go over the last 48 hours. I have no idea how they plan to put out a newspaper on Calvert St., or if that’s even the intent anymore. - Roch

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no idea how they plan to put out a newspaper on Calvert St., or if that’s even the intent anymore

I’d say the last part is the more accurate. The Baltimore Sun is no longer capable of producing content. I think they’re entire Sports section has been reduced to Schmuck, Henesley, and Preston.

by math_geek on Apr 30, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Connolly and Jeff Jeff Zrebiec still there.

And their Ravens beat reporter, who I hope to GOD doesn’t end up being Mike Preston.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henisley is the beat reporter. And the fact that they fired Steele, Frager, Ordine and Maese and not Preston is a God-damn sham of the free market system.

I’m not thrilled with Connolly either. He’s the guy who said that David Eckstein was a better baseball player than Albert Pujols.

I can’t think of a single thing Zrebiec has ever written, so he might be OK

by math_geek on Apr 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Z does the O's game stories

and very few columns, and most of those are not analysis pieces.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, yeah… I do recognize Z. So that’s 4 total members of the sports department. Great.

by math_geek on Apr 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

May have come down to seniority

Preston has more seniority at The Sun than anyone in that list except Frager, and Frager’s was an editor position, so different job classification.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

seniority

Mockery of the free market system… exactly.

by math_geek on Apr 30, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this up on Roch’s blog anymore? The link above only takes me to a piece about A-Rod. ??

by Mountian Goats on Apr 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The comment from Roch quoted above is in his comments section – he responded to a reader asking about it on that blog entry.

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Apr 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, yes, should have looked there. Thanks!

by Mountian Goats on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not going to get into the internet versus print debate, but...

Pretty fucking shitty to fire people over the phone while they are at the fucking stadium. Jesus. Have some respect and do it in person and in private. That’s ridiculous.

by O'sFan21 on Apr 30, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

And the May first thing

Fire ’em before the next vacation year kicks in. Got to keep those costs down.

"If you had Steve Trachsel's stuff, you wouldn't want to throw it either." -- Joe Angel

by Fear and Trembley on Apr 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's called 'good business sense'

by those who get to make the decisions.

"Honestly, I get tired driving 26 miles. I couldn’t imagine running it." -- Huffy

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 30, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you remember the orbitz comercial

where the guy gets fired over the phone where his boss is at a snazzy conference, and flies to NYC to tackle him while he’s giving a speech?

We need more people like that in the world.

by math_geek on Apr 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

How far we've come....
It takes over two hours to receive the entire text of the newspaper over the phone, and with an hourly use charge of five dollars, the new “telepaper” won’t be much competition for the twenty-cent street edition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WCTn4FljUQ

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by zknower on Apr 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

there's no reason why blogs can't pick up the slack

players talk because they want to be heard

but the sun will keep covering the Os….. trust me …. it’s on of the paper’s profit centers

by thewaywardO on Apr 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

You're assuming The Sun will still exist.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a city without a single major newspaper?

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on May 1, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We may well find out within the next 18 months.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 1, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have decided to cancel my subscription tomorrow

There was a twing of feeling to support the paper as best I could but I realize the paper is owned by the Chicago Tribune and they have cut staff at the Sun for some time now. I guess I have to think about myself and my wallet. Just like they have at the Tribune. It is a damn shame.

"They are who we thought they were"-Dennis Green

by Baysox39 on Apr 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Its a sad day for those involved

but the print media, at least how it has been operated, is on its deathbed and has been for a long time. Newspapers don’t make money selling their content…they never have. Its all about ad revenue. Why pay to take an ad out in the classified section when its free on the internet. Furthermore, how can a classified section even begin to compete with a search engine. If a paper can’t sell ad space, it can’t make money. What infuriates me is how those in charge continue to slash content for ad space, even though they are getting less and less money for that space. Cutting content only serves to alienate and lose readership, which in turns means less ad revenue, causing more content to get cut. I get it for free, through UMBC and to be honest, its like a fucking local version of USA Today now. I don’t even read it anymore, I just pick it up to line my parrot’s cage. I’m sure it was tough when horse carriage factories started closing up, but lets be honest, we aren’t going to revert back to the “good old” days. We need to either adapt to a changing world, or get out of the way. Its cold, heartless, cruel…but that is the reality.

"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."

by UMBC Oriole fan on Apr 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

this isn't quite right

the content is important; and subscriptions are an important revenue source as are ads.

the same is true on the internet …..

by thewaywardO on Apr 30, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Subscriptions are important

and content in completely vital. Without content, its a fucking penny-saver. But subscriptions cannot support a paper alone. Without ads, the cost of a single issue would be crippling. I do not want to see papers go away. Hell, I remember as a kid reading the Evening Sun with my old man. But there needs to be a serious change in their business model for them to survive. And turning the paper into a distant shadow of itself sure as hell ain’t the answer.

"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."

by UMBC Oriole fan on Apr 30, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The newstand price, let alone the sub price

doesn’t BEGIN to cover the cost of producing a copy.

(Prepare yourself for a “When I was young” story….)

While in J-School at UMd, I did a tour of WaPo. In 1989, the paper cost 25 cents on the street, and it cost them 33 cents to produce. The cost discrepancy has gotten worse as the price of newsprint continues to skyrocket.

Ad revenue drives all.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gone by the time he showed up - BS, '90

Yeah, my dad laughed his ass off about that – BS in Journalism.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 1, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh.

well, this just sucks.

"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis

by 2632 on Apr 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

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