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OT: The Baltimore Sun - This Isn't Good

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The city's largest newspaper, around since 1837, the paper of record, the paper of note has cut 30% of it's newsroom staff in the last 48 hours.  I'm going to speak to this generally, but it applies to sports reporting in this town just as much as to local politics & human interest stories.

Newspapers are regarded to be nearing the end of their useful lives in current form.  I get that.  It's an outdated medium.  Plus, it's hard to get people to buy your print edition when they can get a lot of the same information - updated regularly - online for free.  But, honestly, it didn't have to come to this. 

Since Tribune Co. bought The Baltimore Sun in 1999, they have slashed their staff by 60%.  That's 300 jobs in Baltimore City gone.  That's 300 reporters, photographers, editors, fact checkers, print staff, administrators, and Baltimoreans-by-default NOT talking.  They aren't talking about our city, our politicians, our problems, our assets, our celebrities, our sports teams, our opinions.  They aren't talking about anyone else's either.  The Sun of my youth had award winning writers, dogged investigative reporters, and a sports section that would take you an hour to read.  Today's Sun has oversized graphics, the font you'd expect in a Reader's Digest for the elderly, and scant articles written by Sun staff - many are just AP re-prints.  No more Washington bureau, no more international stories written from a Baltimore perspective.  I imagine it's hard enough to get them to cover even the smallest local stories at this point just due to lack of personnel.

The Examiner folded earlier this year, not surprisingly.  While it was an annoyance to those of us who live in the city (unsolicited papers appearing on the doorstep, daily, are not a blessing but rather LITTER!) it was also another point of view.  Another voice, another resource.  Their Orioles coverage was a breath of fresh air by mere default - these were new observations by new writers.  When The Examiner retreated to online status only, we were left with the old standby in The Sun.  But now The Sun, too, has abbreviated it's comment.

I'm not going to cite Mencken because it's too obvious.  Rather, David Simon:

"If I want to find out what's going on in this city, I've got to go to a f*cking bar and talk to a police lieutenant and take notes on a cocktail napkin." 

It can't be more than a few years before I'll be wishing I had even this shadow of The Sun.  At the very least, I need an answer to the question: to whom am I going to turn for complete Orioles coverage? MASN? School of Roch?

Here's another kick to this whole diatribe: the management told three reporters & a photographer that they were fired yesterday by phone, while they were on assignment covering the Orioles game.  Couldn't have told them before they went down to the ballpark?  The company line is going to be that they're streamlining, repositioning, evolving to succeed in the new market.  But, as moves like this suggest, they're really cutting down to bare bones with no room for sentiment, class, or enough know-how to fire people with tact.

There is a local group organizing that wants to re-take the city paper for the city.  From my keyboard to God's ears: sell, Tribune, sell.

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My thought this very morning was: what happens to “THE SUN” portion above the O’s scoreboard when (I should say "if, but let’s be honest here) the paper goes under? Will they keep it as a tribute to a city institution, or will it go away, taking with it a Camden Yards tradition?

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Apr 30, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My friend and I were discussing this at the Mets game yesterday

We thought they should keep it as a tribute and because it serves a fun function at games. But I guess if they can convince someone else to pay for a bigass sign they’ll probably replace it.

by pipkin on Apr 30, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was very well written

But it just reinforces my point that we miss the newspapers of old because of the nostalgic feelings that they evoke.

Although there aren’t organized, “credible” publications online as of yet, the future will undoubtedly have a place for talented writers.

Going online isn’t going to abolish investigative journalism, nor is the overall quality going to dramatically decrease.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The quality has decreased.

And the problem with the whole “going online” thing is that rather than just go online they’re pretending to go online while they cut ridiculous swaths of jobs. Their online edition didn’t used to compare to the print edition because the print edition was robust. The print edition now is watered down & looks like a giant picture book. If they were truly serious about being a 24 hour news media source, they’d slash things like… oh, I dunno, maybe the free daily they produce that doesn’t earn them one red cent? Or they could say, okay, we’re going to do a watered down print version – which you can get online – but if you subscribe online you get the robust, frequently updated, fully fleshed version.

They really are doing the exact opposite of what they say they’re trying to do. It’s awful.

As for sentiment, yes, I am sentimental about an institution like The Sun. I have no problem with it changing forms – but moves like this make me wonder if it will even exist much longer.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Apr 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The current online form isn't going to work

Partly because most newspapers haven’t made an honest effort.

That being said, I have confidence that journalism will adapt and evolve into new, legitimate publications; after all, how can it not?

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

It will.

As for the past, Sam Zell is an idiot and the entire newspaper industry has been both too timid and too shortsighted to embrace the potential of the Internet. Newspapers should have been just as if not more proactive in promoting wireless devices/Kindles etc as portable delivery systems for their product as telephone companies have been. They should have also pushed for free municipal WiFi in the cities and areas they cover to get maximum exposure and not be beholden to Verizon et al. Now it’s probably too late. You snooze, you lose. They still do have a brand however, and if we pool our money together, we might be able to soon buy “The Sun” for peanuts from the Trib. I’ll pledge $1,000. Who’s with me?

by Jonny Pops on Apr 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll go $1,000

if I get dibs on the NHL coverage.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can it not?

Easily.

Look at the cable news ratings. And who’s in first. And how they “cover” the news.

I’d argue that’s Exhibit A in the case against the American people wanted news coverage. We want people to tell us things we think we already know or suspect. FOX News makes the Tea Parties into their lead for weeks. MSNBC feeds my anti-Bush paranoia on a nightly basis and doesn’t even pretend otherwise. CNBC caters to investors and says so plainly. And God knows who’s CNN is marketing to.

And companies that own media entities don’t want to pay someone (or a small crew of someones) to work months on a story at a time. What can you give me TODAY?

You don’t miss voices that you can’t hear anymore. I think it’s very possible that true investigative journalism will no longer be available in a meaningful way for the majority of Americans. TV can’t do it – too many time, money, and ratings restrictions. You can’t cover Watergate 90 seconds at a time on the evening news, which no one watches anymore anyway. And who’s gonna follow the corruption in City Hall now in Baltimore? WJZ? Please.

Not to sound like a cranky old guy, but Wooward and Bernstien would never see the C section of the Washington Post these days, let alone A1.

Bloggers can’t take the place of newspapers. They can supplement with analysis and aggregation, but never replace. They have to get their source information from SOMEWHERE. We may bust on Roch and Schmuck A LOT on CC, but really, where do we get our O’s info from? None of us are hanging in the clubhouse or making phone calls. We’re quoting them.

Someone still has to do the first-hand reporting. And increasingly, the sources of that reporting are being told to pack their desks in 15 minutes and leave the building.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thanks, duck. I think that just about says it all for me.

"If you had Steve Trachsel's stuff, you wouldn't want to throw it either." -- Joe Angel

by Fear and Trembley on Apr 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We may bust on Roch and Schmuck A LOT on CC, but really, where do we get our O’s info from?.

I like that the Sun has a reporter giving us injury updates or trade rumors but frankly, if the Sun went down, I can get that info from MASN.com or even foxsports or espn.com especially trade rumors. I’m sure you want to throw something at me now…

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MASN will tell you what the O's WANT you to know

Nothing more. Don’t forget who owns that company – PGA. They won’t give us any injury update that’s not in the team’s interests, and you certainly won’t see anything about anyone in the organization doing anything wrong. Just how would tell us about our version of the Nat’s GM skimming bonuses? It wouldn’t be MASN, that’s for sure.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on Apr 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MASN will tell you what the O’s WANT you to know

The Sun is the same way… maybe not quite as bad, but mostly the same.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Apr 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

Remenber thats why they didn’t renew with WBAL despite the fact WBAL reaches many, many more homes. I pick it up clearly here outside Philly. They want to HFS, who I heard bid less, because they wanted to control the content of their shows. Now i have to pay to listen to games(no big deal, but the point is, to control the media, they again lowered their potential fan base) They only want the info they want out, nothing else. On a reletated note, what really cracks me up about 105.7 is for ravens games they do"uncensored" pregames, yet for the o’s thy basically put on what they’re told. Very Hypocritical. Anyway, I hope the Sun never goes away, as It still is better than ANY paper I have here in Philly(I get the Sun everyday via digital edition) And i really enjoy reading it. But if tribuine keeps it up..you never know

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by phillybmore on May 1, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I mentioned in another thread

The current online media models may promote sensationalism due to the culture of television and/or an increase in accessibility, but I truly think that there will always be a market for real journalism, and talented writers will not be content with working for tabloid-like publications.

As Jonny noted above, the newspapers have in no way, shape, or form fully capitalized on portable devices and/or new technology. For these companies, their idea of “going online” is just taking articles which would normally have made the print version, and posting them on the internet.

The decline of print media is largely due to the fact that no one wants to sit down and read for 45 minutes, so merely putting the exact same shit online is going to yield the same results. Shocker, right?

I can’t tell you what the new mode of communication will be, but people aren’t going to cease to have a thirst for firsthand accounts and/or uncovered dirt.

The problem right now is that organizations like The Sun are in limbo; they haven’t completely shut down their print version, but neither has The Sun totally devoted its resources to creating a quality, digital, modern issue.

Newspapers are still clinging onto what they have known for decades now, but until they embrace the reality of the situation, they’ll just continue to layoff workers and contract in size.

And regarding Fox News/MSNBC, I think they simply cater to a certain demographic, much like second tier newspapers used to do when opposing the mainstays of their time.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

its the loss of ad revenue. With Craiglist killing the market for classifieds, papers can no longer subsidize the cost of their issues. Rather than raise prices, they slash content. This kills readership, leads to more contact slashing to try to cover the budget, leading to more readers leaving. Its a vicious downward cycle that won’t end until they change their business model or fold.

"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."

by UMBC Oriole fan on Apr 30, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is...

…they could have made up for that revenue by dumping the liabilities involved in physically printing and distributing papers. The problem is they need to teach old fogies to use Kindles or iPhones. But newspapers are probably better set up to do that than any other business. They sell written communication after all.

They could also get into the game. Taking some of the profits from selling the hardware by endlessly promoting it. Then there are all sorts of options once you migrate totally online. Google is probably the best example of capitalizing on them, but they’re trying to do it from a remote location in California. A newspaper like The Sun could do things more locally, more tailor made for the market. It would involve some thinking and creativity however. And most of these schmucks act like they’re allergic to that.

by Jonny Pops on May 1, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While all of this is true

The newspapers no longer have any young readers as this generation is simply not willing to spend 45 minutes to an hour reading page after page while eating breakfast.

Why should they, when a brief summary is available on their cellphones if they’re so inclined?

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on May 1, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of posts just went missing...

The only evolution that newspapers have been able to manage is to put part, if not all, of their print output onto the web for free. While slashing payroll is a typical M.O. in business to improve the bottom line, it doesn’t begin to address the problems that newspapers are facing.

Rather than change their business model, or their business, they’re repeating the same knee-jerk survival techniques that have gotten them to this point.

Tribune, I don’t subscribe to your paper because it’s sh*t at this point. Beef up your coverage, allow for online subscriptions, and I’d be more than happy to throw my coin your way.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on May 1, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't his grammar that got him banned

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 1, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

but i think bad grammar is worse than trolling. of course, they usually come together

by pipkin on May 1, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're not alone...

Seattle Post Intelligencer has gone online-only.

The Boston Globe has until midnight tonight to cut $20M in operating costs or they’ll be shut down for good.

This could be the beginning of a lot of dominoes going down…

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on May 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys is this a good idea

You guys already write on the internet for free. Maybe you could write a few articles for The Sun for free. You wouldn’t have to go to all of the games. You can watch from TV. You can get quotes from the AP. A lot of you guys write better than they do anyway. The only difference is when you write for a newspaper, you don’t try to open a discussion.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on May 2, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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