manager loses game for orioles
by severino52 on May 11, 2009 10:39 PM EDT
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well in yesterdays game between the o's and the Yanks ..........I still dont understand how the manager after R. Cano hit a home run ...........could give a guy named Francisco Cervelli so much respect by .............bringing in the right hander to pitch to him............i mean someone told me about statistics that made the mananger do this?? but your leading 3-2 in the seventh there is no one on base and there are two outs ..........to a half rookie like cervelli?? I mean statistics are for a guy like A-Rod, Derek Jeter, Matty Alou and a Frank Robinson maybe............but a guy who..........is replacing and injured jorge posada??? I think the manager lost the game for the Orioles yesterday and destroyed the "will to win" by an outstanding performace by the o's starting pictcher Tony
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The English language is your friend
I suggest you acquaint yourself with it before sharing your half-baked rants with us.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
now, now, brotzy...
what is the internet w/o half-baked rants?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 11, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought the rant was fully-baked
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
he's the only guy
that likes “……”’s more than me.
well, at least I think he is…
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
I make it a habit of skipping everything written
with more than one question mark in a row. I’m a happier person as a result.
Also, re: ellipses
… = OK
………. = not OK
"Honestly, I get tired driving 26 miles. I couldn’t imagine running it." -- Huffy
by CoachOfEarl on May 12, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Managers are very matchup/numbers oriented by nature
It has always been that way.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
I love that this site is popular
But I don’t like that this is the result of that. dammit.
I’m with JP and Brotz.
i started reading that..
but during the first round of “………” ‘s – a literary pause I’m assuming – I paused to such an extent that I forgot what I was doing, where I was, and who I am.
Thanks a lot.
I'll address the actual points....
- Cervelli is fast, and not just “fast for a catcher” fast
- B-Rob was playing back for some strategical reason
- OPaCY is notorious for long grass – balls takes forever to get through that infield
- Nick Markakis couldn’t have made a throw on that ball that would have gotten him out
It happens. Sucks that it happened there, but balls like that happen. And what, exactly, was Trembley supposed to do? You’re whole point is a backup catcher beat us. So Trembley was supposed to do match-ups to get out a backup catcher?
Logic (and the Shift Key) can be your friend.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
I agree completely with duck...
and not to mention like it or not but the O’s bullpen is kinda spotty…. ok really spotty and although the bullpen had nothing to do with that play or jeter’s infield hit, they did on the other hand have ALOT to do with the 3 run jack stupid Damon hit.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
but...
who’d a’thunk the most storied sinkerballer in 2008 orioles history would be serving up homers like anybody else in the staff in 2009.
…to johnny damon, no less?!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 12, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I would've had Sherrill pitch to Damon
But I’m crazy like that.
I like my best lefty to face tough lefty hitters in high-leverage situations.
But you said you'd use Sherrill?
You;’re not saying Sherrill is our best lefty, are you? Because that would cause depression.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Sherill is one of the best left-handed pitchers in baseball...
Against left-handed hitters.
Lefties are 2-for-18 off him this year, and have hit just .168/.235/.277 against him in his career.
There’s not a pitcher on this team I’d rather have facing a left-handed hitter in a tight spot, and there are probably only a handful of pitchers in the entire game of baseball I’d prefer over him against a tough lefty.
I had no idea
his numbers were that good against lefties.
He should have jamie Walker’s job, and Ray or Johnson needs to close.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Ray has looked
a little scary so far. I’m buying into that whole “lost his release” point thing. He’s always been prone to a long ball now and again but it’s been ugly at times. I hope he works it out soon though. I’d say JJ or Baez.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
jj
has given up 2 rips in 14 innings vs. zilch in 68 last year.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 12, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries
It’s not like it’s your job to know that, although I can’t say the same thing about Trembley.
Let’s revisit the situation. It’s a one-run game, with runners on first and third and two outs in the top of the seventh. The difference between an out and even a single (let alone a home run) is enormous. There’s a lefty at the plate, and the Orioles have a pitcher sitting in the bullpen who gets lefties out over 75% of the time.
According to Fangraphs’ Leverage Index, Damon’s at bat was, by far, the highest leverage Yankee at bat of the game.
That is the situation that Sherrill was born to pitch in. It’s a shame that he’s being misused, because he could be a very valuable player.
I'm not arguing against you
I read an article a while back to do away with saves and make some tally of who produces the outs when the game is at the highest leverage point. That would be the pitcher who tallied the new “save”.
Assuming a team has no strong closer (which is plenty of teams), it might make some sense. Said manager would be going against the grain, and it just isn’t likely. It’s sort of along the lines of punting on fourth down is an overall losing strategy. I don’t expect to see any football coaches (at the pro level) testing that out any time soon.
See!!! Thats what i been trying to tell you guys! Its Dave Trembley why the O’s arent winning. If Mr Angelos and Mr McPhal would listen to me and take my suggestions they would be in 2nd or 3rd place by now. Here are the things i suggested
1. Move home plate back 7-10 feet. Cause the the yard current dimensions is killing O’s pitching.
2. Sign free agent pitchers especialy the Bullpen.This is a must do
3. Hire John Gibbons as O’s Manager. O’s players need disapline! Now when young players make mistakes you answer them to John Gibbons why you made that mistake. And John Gibbons would do exactly what Earl Weaver done all these years.
Now if Mr Angelos and Mr McPhal would taken these suggestions the O’s would be winning and the Fans would start comming back the yard again and O’s would be drawing 20,000 to 30,000 Fans a game. Now Futher explanation why i said John Gibbons should be the Next O’s Manager..
John Gibbons is a very tough manager. He doesnt want to hear excuses! And Nether did Earl Weaver. You ask Jim Palmer this question,, Was it true if it wasnt for Earl Weaver he would never made it to Cooperstown? It was Weaver who made everyone of the players work hard and play hard! You also Ask Dempsey that one too. You ask Al Bumbry what Weaver told him when he wants to steal on his own. You even Ask Eddie Murray just what kind of a hitter Weaver made him into. Eddie Murray was never a big power hitter at Rochester. He was mainly a base hit percentage hitter. You put John Gibbons with the O’s youll see them go right back into a championship caliber team again just like Earl turned them into the early 1970s .
by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
Um...
1. No, it’s been tried before and it screws up the batter’s eye in CF, which is important.
2. Been there, done that, see Jamie Walker, Chad Bradford, and Danys Baez.
3. John Gibbons was replaced by Cito Gaston, because he was fucking terrible.
4. You’re wrong about everything, so please, for the love of God, stop.
"I'm having an interment camp constructed under the stadium specifically for Yankees & Red Sox fans" - 11:08 AM Apr 15th from digsby in reply to BaltimoreMD
Can we trade Walker for Bradford?
That is what I would like to do.
"Honestly, I get tired driving 26 miles. I couldn’t imagine running it." -- Huffy
Seriously, dude, we did #2 two years ago.
It’s one of the reasons Andy MacPhail HAS this job. Because it didn’t work.
And yeah, I want a manager who challenges his players to a fight. That’ll work.
And a 305-305 (.500) manager is JUST what this team needs. Yup.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Did Earl ever punch anyone in the face?
This is my question.
I think you’re on to something, though. The next time I want to prove a point about something, anything, I’ll just talk about how great Earl Weaver is. That’ll explain it to everyone.
Cookie Dough ice cream is the best! It’s a very tough and delicious ice cream. It doesn’t melt under pressure. And Nether did Earl Weaver. You ask Jim Palmer this question,, Was it true if it wasnt for Earl Weaver he would never made it to Cooperstown? It was Weaver who made everyone of the players work hard and play hard! You also Ask Dempsey that one too. You ask Al Bumbry what Weaver told him when he wants to steal on his own. You even Ask Eddie Murray just what kind of a hitter Weaver made him into. Eddie Murray was never a big power hitter at Rochester. He was mainly a base hit percentage hitter. You put Cookie Dough in your shopping cart and you’ll be happy as a clam, just like back when Earl was managing.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 12, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hear that...
cookie dough ice cream also knows a thing or two about the three run home run.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 12, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Waaaa!
How can you show such blatant disregard for Cookies AND Cream ice cream?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
not a disparaging word, friend...
c & c might know THREE things!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 12, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure CC knows his ice creams.
Because he’s fat, you see.
"I'm having an interment camp constructed under the stadium specifically for Yankees & Red Sox fans" - 11:08 AM Apr 15th from digsby in reply to BaltimoreMD
And he wasn't running around the basepaths
like a damn little flea. You want some of them BIG (expletive deleteds) who can hit the ball out of the park!
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
NO Weaver didnt punch anyone in the face. But Weaver will bench you, He will fine you and suspend you as well. Plus weaver will send you down to Rochester if he has too. Ask Tom Shopay what Weaver did to him when he wasnt delivering the PH role. Shopay hated Weaver when he told him hes going down to Rochester. Face it,,if you dont meet Weavers expectations he will deliver bad news to you right in his office. If George Bamberger or George Staller tells you Weaver wants to see you in his office now. Thats like a teacher sent you to the principals office. And you know how it felt when you get sent to the principals office. Its bad news,,Bad news man!!
by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 12, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and Manny Acta does the same thing
that’s working out really well for the Nats, isn’t it?
"I'm having an interment camp constructed under the stadium specifically for Yankees & Red Sox fans" - 11:08 AM Apr 15th from digsby in reply to BaltimoreMD
Please...
Using proper tenses would help a bit here…
Thanks.
by Mountian Goats on May 12, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
EARL WEAVER WAS A MASTER STRATEGIST
JOHN GIBBONS IS NOT
by Scott Christ on May 12, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Look how good the Royals are now!! They have a better pitching staff than the O’s do.John Gibbons is now the bench coach. Which means hes telling pitchers how to pitch.
by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 12, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Am i? Look at the standings. Im not lying
by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 13, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're definitely coming off that way.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Okay, let's look at the standings.
Jays under Gibbons:
2005 – 80-82 3rd
2006 – 87-75 2nd
2007 – 83-79 3rd
2008 – 35-39 5th
Jays under Gaston:
2008 – 51-37 (finished 4th)
2009 – 23-12 (1st)
Small sample size for Gaston, except for those two World Series he had in the early nineties. But there’s the point of all of this. You’ve chosen to put a manager on a pedestal who peaked at 87 wins in a down year for the AL East as a whole (Boston won 86, and the O’s and Rays were dogshit as usual). This is also a man who has proven that he can’t get along with his players in a professional manner…I just don’t get the obsession here. If you want an angry, take-no-prisoners, rah-rah guy, you could at least pick someone who’s won something, like Lou Piniella or even the great Earl Weaver. Hell, he’s only 78! Connie Mack managed til he was 87! Why swing for the low-hanging fruit?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I fWoody Hayes wasn't dead, he'd be perfect.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
He's perfect BECAUSE he's dead
Who’s he afraid of? Who’s he going to answer to? NOBODY! He’s dead, what does he have to lose?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I don't think the facts matter much in this argument
but good effort :)
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
oh, you...
don’t go introducing that logic shit!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And Remember when Earl Weaver took over the O’s in 1968. Hank Bauer had them in 4th place after the Last week in July before Hoffberger fired him . When the O’s stormed back in to 2nd place when 1968 season ended and 1969 O’s went to the World Series. Thats what Gaston is doing now.
by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 14, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello there
You put way too much stock in the manager. You have to actually have a talented team in order to be good at baseball. Please compare the 1969 and 1970 Orioles to the 2009 Orioles and let me know what you find out.
I don’t know why I even bother, though. It’s like banging my head against a brick wall.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
Yeah, I think you’re right. There’s a couple managers that probably make their teams better, and a couple who probably make their teams worse (think Larry Bowa at the end of his tenure with the Phils — they just quit on him).
I think Trembly is a good fit personality-wise, at least. He’s somewhat of a hardass, a little tougher on them than Sam or Grover (and what the hell did Mazzilli even do?), but without being Larry Bowa or Joe Cool.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
Isn't that the PITCHING COACH'S job?
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
*facepalm*
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
Not another loseing season!!!!
If we would have signed Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, and Paul Byrd, it would all be a moot point.
In terms of managers to hire, forget Gibbons, hire the great Art Howe.
http://www.mvn.com/oriolecentral
He’s busy acting in the movie version of moneyball
I nominate Rainn Wilson to play Chad Bradford. .
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
The only good thing that could come out of this is that maybe if Joe Morgan saw it at the “picture show” he might start believing in some of those crazy numbers.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I'm not that optimistic
If they used any ESPN footage featuring Joe in the film, he’d probably be convinced that they’d stolen his soul.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
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