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Hill should get another start and i disagree with Trembley

What i disagree with him about? Pulling him out of the 6th inning total 86 pitches. Hill is capitable going longer than that. The more you teach pitchers to pitch up to 6 innings the more it becomes a habbit using that bullpen when you dont need to. I watched the O's vs White sox 83 ALCS on MLB channel. And Brit Burns pitches 150 pitches before giving up the big one to Tito Landrum. Pitchers can pitch over 125 pitches in the game.They gotta be taught how to last longer. Palmer,McNally and Cuellar can go more than 125 pitches.Theres simply no excuse why they cant teach Rich Hill to go longer than 110 Pitches. Just like O's pitchers nibble around the strike zone is not the way to pitch. You have to know how to throw a strike with something on it. Like change speeds when hitter thinks your going for that fast ball but its an off speed fast ball. Its all about timing. Palmer, McNally and Cuellar knew what pitch to use and time it on a situation. You dont see Nolan Ryan blow everyone away with his 99+ Fastball everytime do you? He just knew when to use it and locate where he wants to throw it. The more O's pitching coaches keep depending on using that Bullpen theyre never contend!! Look how the yanks are doing it. You dont see  CC Sabathia,A.J. Burnett and Andy Pettitte stop throwing after 6 innings do you? they pitch the 7th then Yanks get a use the Bullpen by the 8th if nessary. And John Gibbons will teach that disapline to them just like Earl did.

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John Gibbons would have made him pitch 10 innings!

Hill would be done with 9, and then John would send him to the bullpen for 15 more pitches!

Then PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE!

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 17, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

http://www.mvn.com/oriolecentral

by Oriole on May 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rich Hill's coming off an injury

if we take a risk with him, we are risking another 6 Mark Hendrickson starts in the balance.

Eaton/Hendo took the whole game yesterday, so every talented reliever was fresh. Why not take advantage? Baez is the only guy we can’t use tomorrow. JJ and Sherrill will be good to go, and Uehara is pitching, and he’s been our best pitcher this season.

We have a bullpen…. use it.

by math_geek on May 17, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,,,Remember when Mazzilli wore the bullpen down? How did that work out for him?

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 17, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

you would prefer Dusty Baker?

by math_geek on May 17, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know..

But this guy seems totally.. fake.

by Y Not on May 17, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

WWE and TNA are Fake! Baseball is not.

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 17, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's still real to me!

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 17, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

I know this is pointless, but the guy is coming off an injury. You don’t just have him throw 130 pitches his first time out. We won the game and everyone’s arm is still intact. Be happy.

Also, yes, the Yanks use there bullpen quite a bit. Especially under Torre. Do you have any idea what Girardi did in Florida? Pitching those guys extra innings wasn’t exactly a good thing, it just made him look better record-wise. And John Gibbons had Roy Halladay, so yea, he got more innings out of pitchers. The again, he had AJ Burnett. Regardless, Hill did what he should do tonight. Calm it down.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on May 17, 2009 2:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I know,I know.. O’s won so what? The point im making Trembley isnt disaplining the team. Let me say this,,Suppose one of the O’s players show up at the yard late? Trembley would tell him "Dont Worry about it.. But Nats Manager Manny Acta doesnt put up with that. Read here
 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/03/belliard-fined-benched-after-reporting-late/
Earl Weaver didnt put up with it..In fact he fined Palmer for showing up late. And George Steinbrenner fined Dave Winfield when he refused to attend early pratice at Yankee Stadium when Yanks played a Terrible game a night after the 10-6 loss and made him play a $10,000 fine for not attending early pratice.

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 17, 2009 3:44 AM EDT reply actions  

your points

every thing you’re saying may be true, but it doesn’t matter when no outcome is provided.

“Trembley would tell him “Dont Worry about it.. But Nats Manager Manny Acta doesnt put up with that.”

First off, there’s no reason to think Trembley would say “don’t worry about it”, but ok. Next, The Nats are terrible and will be for a long time. Are we to assume that Acta would make this team a playoff team as well? Not doing so great with Washington…
Oh, and that whole thing with Upton didn’t work out too well publicly for him, did it?

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on May 17, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely incorrect
Suppose one of the O’s players show up at the yard late? Trembley would tell him "Dont Worry about it..

This is absolutely incorrect. When Trembley was hired, he made three points about what he expected of his players, and one of them was “Be on time”.

In fact, Trembley is so into being on time he laid into his own son during spring training last year, visiting during spring break, for showing up late to help one day. He also did it in front of Markakis, the boy’s favorite player.

Here’s a hint for rants: They’re more effective when you don’t make stuff up.

by Ampontan on May 17, 2009 4:08 AM EDT reply actions  

You did only see Nolan Ryan blow people way

Nolan Ryan was a pretty limited pitcher in some ways. He had a curve ball, but he didn’t have very good command of it which resulted in a lot of walks and a lot of wild pitches. He used a change-up at the very end, but for pretty much his entire career he got people out by throwing the ball faster than they could hit it.

by yurizanow on May 17, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way, Nolan Ryan doesn't believe in pitch counts

I’m sure John Gibbons agrees.

http://www.mvn.com/oriolecentral

by Oriole on May 17, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Gibbons doesn’t believe in punch counts, either.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on May 19, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think he ment to tipe hobbit

and i no that john gibbons wood not teech good disapline to them. he wood incurrage them to fite.

by Timmy L. on May 17, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on May 17, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's with John Gibbons?

Granted, I bet he would do just as well as Dave Trembley, but why does anyone want to resurrect his managerial career?

by yurizanow on May 17, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

did you miss his other post?

well, I wouldn’t say anyone could possibly “miss” it, but yea. Nobody sane wants to hire Gibbons. No worries.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on May 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

What post?

I’m still curious why anyone champions John Gibbons. I barely remembered who he even was.

It’s kind of like wanting to bring Jim Tracy, but with even less reason to do so.

by yurizanow on May 17, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

See This

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on May 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

A couple thoughts on something great that I missed

First, Brian Billick was a good coach who outlasted his effectiveness. That happened to better Baltimore football coaches than him. He won the Super Bowl in his second season for Pete’s sake. I bet when all is said and done he’ll have a better career than John Harbaugh.

Second, the fascination with John Gibbons is bizarre and wonderful and I want it to continue. To compare him with Billy Martin is amazing. Billy Martin had six more first-place finishes, two more pennants, and one more World Series than John Gibbons has ever had. Also, in some ways Martin kind of sucked. Maybe somebody wants a team like the 1981 A’s, but I don’t. They were a good-looking young team that Martin ran into the ground that didn’t see another winning season for eight years.

Some people are automatically impressed by hard-assed types. I’m not. If you win by being a hard-ass, great. If you win by being a soft-touch, that’s great too. There are plenty of both that have been successful to make me not prefer one over the other.

by yurizanow on May 17, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen man,

I respect your opinion and all, but give up the whole Gibbons thing. This organization had one Gibbons and that was quite enough. Just stop already.

Mood about O's rotation: Depressed : (

by sickuvitall on May 17, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

You respect this guy's opinion?

Really? I mean I know we’re all supposed to say that and all, but c’mon now.

by Jonny Pops on May 17, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

You got me

Mood about O's rotation: Depressed : (

by sickuvitall on May 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Hill shouldn’t get anymore starts. Lets move Hendrickson back to the rotation.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on May 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

CC Sabathia has not made it into the seventh inning in four of his eight starts.

Andy Pettite hasn’t made it in four of his seven starts

And A.J. Burnett hasn’t made the seventh inning in five of his eight starts.

Sabathia is the only one to have pitched a complete game. Considering their payroll, I would have expected better.

And since we’re playing fantasy baseball here, had Weaver managed Jim Palmer better in Game 6 in 1979, there might be another World Series banner flying in Camden Yards.

mt

by mystery tramp on May 17, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

You know what, I say the pitch Rich Hill everyday, and for that matter, let him pitch 200 pitches. Hell you know what? Why not let Rich Hill pitch a game a day for every organization, he’s amazing coming off a sore elbow and a history of injury problems, let him pitch 200 pitches a game if that’s what it takes. He’s not fragile at all!!

What up?

by snakethejake on May 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Gibbons is a real manager. We want someone who shows the team just whos the real boss. We need a manager who knows what hes doing. Like Earl knew when to take pitcher out and set up a line up. How many of you watched ESPN "" The Bronx Is Burning"" Now if i was the O’s Owner id tell Trembley to set this line up

Roberts 2b
Markakis rf
Mora 3b
Huff dh
Jones cf
Reimold lf
Izturis ss
Wigginton 1b
Zaun c

This line up make more sence than Trembley has

Roberts leads off..If Roberts gets on Base then you got a tough hitter Nick Markakis to deal with the Distraction of Roberts trying to steal 2nd if Markakis hits or gets on base then you got Moras big bat to deal with If Mora Gets on then you got a problem with Huff. Huff gets on then Another Big bat come up. Then You got a good Rookie Reimold to follow. Now the Show the Bronx is Burning Billy wants Reggie to bat 6th George told Billy Reggie bats 4th!!! Mora Is a Better 3rd hitter than batting 5th. With Markakis bat 2nd you got a good combo with Roberts on base which forces pitchers throw fast balls and Markakis is a good fast ball hitter. Now if Trembley did the line up my way they be scoring runs and possibly being the 5th best Offensive team in the American league.Way Way Better than the Sox and the Yanks.Samething George proved the Yanks were winning in second half of season in 1977 because of Georges genuis work of a line up telling Reggie bats 4th instead of 6th. But Billy didnt want Reggie bat 4th he doesnt like homers hit all the time. Billy was a type of manager who loves a running and more conservitive game then George rather want his Yanks hit homers instead of playing small ball. But me?? I rather see the Orioles win on a big inning like 5 or 6 run rally instead of them playing 1 run at a time. Now i hope Mr Angelos or Trembley reads this cause if he does set this line up and you see O’s win games like 10-6 or 11-8 then yall can thank me!!! Just like the press admitted it was the work of Georges genius line up that got the Yanks into the World Series.

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 18, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

A couple of things

1. John Gibbons hasn’t done a whole lot to show that he is a real manager he knows what he’s doing. The Blue Jays don’t seem to miss him at all. Dave Trembley isn’t a real manager or know what he’s doing either, but bringing in John Gibbons isn’t going to fix anything.
2. Good teams don’t usually have their owners dictate batting orders to their managers.
3. Batting orders really don’t make that much of difference anyway.
4. Mora does not have a “big bat” nor get on base much anymore
5. I don’t think the TV show “The Bronx Is Burning” is the best place to look for advice about running a winning ballclub
6. I don’t understand why a pitcher has to throw a fastball if Roberts is on base. What if Jamie Moyer is the opposing pitcher and doesn’t have a fastball?
7. The O’s already the 8th best offense in the AL and have the 6th best OPS+. Moving up a few spots probably isn’t going to get them any more wins since their pitching is the second-worst in the AL.
8. Despite what “The Bronx Is Burning” might lead you to believe, George Steinbrenner was not a genius and I doubt the press really gave him that much credit for getting the Yankees to three straight World Series beyond signing Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Goose Gossage, etc.
9. Billy Martin didn’t really matter that much to the Yankees anyway. They won another World Series the next year and went to another a few years later with Bob Lemon managing.
10. Please continue singing the praises of John Gibbons and at some point explain how you came to realize his greatness and why it eludes everyone else.

by yurizanow on May 18, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Managing by media reaction

Such a bad idea. So, if the NY Post says it, it must work? That might be the dumbest strategy for ownership I’ve ever heard.

“What? People didn’t instantously like a decision I just made! Why, I’ll make a new one!”

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 18, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

And +1 THIS a million times....
John Gibbons hasn’t done a whole lot to show that he is a real manager he knows what he’s doing. The Blue Jays don’t seem to miss him at all.

As much as I loathe Cito Gaston, and it’s a lot, he is miles away a better manager than John Gibbons.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 18, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets hire Cito!

He would never put up with the crap the O’s are doing!

ugh, I cant even continue with this joke. Cito blows.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on May 18, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have made some outrageous statements

but The Bronx is Burning…c’mon man. I am not going to ask you to stop like I did before about the Gibbons thing because this just keeps getting better. SoFlo a crazy place!!

Mood about O's rotation: Depressed : (

by sickuvitall on May 18, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

-20

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on May 18, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now wait just a goddamn minute

In your original posts you were all “small ball is the way!” and “hit&run!” and “players need to get bunts down 80% of the time!”

Now you want big innings? You know the two are pretty much mutually exclusive, right?

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on May 18, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

John Gibbons would be able to get them to do both

and if they didn’t, he’d PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE!

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 18, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't rec this enough

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 18, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh... I know who we can hire...

He’ll really show ‘em Who’s The Boss.

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on May 18, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Adam Jones has been horrible in that 2 spot..hasn't he

I would abandon the Orioles if they decided to manage the franchise by the way a crappy ESPN mini-series. Because I know John Gibbons wouldn’t. If we’re going to manage based on television mini-seires, I vote for Dune!

http://www.mvn.com/oriolecentral

by Oriole on May 18, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

hell yea!

if the o’s thought a sand worm was gonna eat them, maybe they’d get their butts in gear!

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on May 18, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

V would be a better choice

“Bunt that man over, or Terry Crowley will eat a gerbil whole.”

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 18, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on May 18, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sand worms

mouth would look very appealing if not for the little teethies!

Mood about O's rotation: Depressed : (

by sickuvitall on May 18, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know who we can get...

His praises have been sung this whole time… BILLY MARTIN!
We’ll just prop his corpse right up in the dugout I mean it would be better the John Gibbons and we could finally put this whole thing to bed. You remember “The bronx are burning” c’mon WE CAN DO IT! Donald Trump would!

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver

by Graham71681 on May 18, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

the other 10% was alcohol.

so I guess we’d just need a drunk Turturro.

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on May 18, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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